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[09:01:32] : piranha установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[10:11:26] slav0nic: млять по рабоет надо допилить LDAP бекенд для mediawiki :| на рнр
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[10:21:38] slav0nic: ) медиавики такая клёвая вики. где чтоб накатить плагин более менее сурьёзный -надо патчить ряд файлов ) пипец
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[12:53:46] slav0nic: чё?
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[12:53:54] py_two: ну патчить ряд файлов ?:)
[12:54:03] slav0nic: не сцу, но это ебланство
[12:54:39] py_two: slav0nic: конечно ебланство
[12:55:02] py_two: базовый двиг должен таковым, чтобы можно было на него накатывать любые плагины
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[12:55:35] py_two: предоставлять такие возможности, чтобы писатели плагов через жопу не реализовывали функционал
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[13:22:10] webninja: answers design patterns
[13:22:24] webninja: "есть предложение почитать мануал"
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[13:56:31] Sevenov: Поцоны, а есть что для жангочки для работы с форматом денег. Взять Decimal("1000.50") и отформатировать в 1000 руб. 00 коп.
[13:56:42] Sevenov: s/жангочки/пейтона/
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[13:58:39] mishok13: :/
[13:58:49] mishok13: держи всё в копейках просто
[13:59:29] _lorien: была какая-то аппа
[13:59:33] _lorien: в копейках тоже прикольно держать, ага
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[14:00:39] mishok13: и потом "{} руб. {} коп.".format(copecs / 100, copecs % 100)
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[14:01:16] mishok13: или хочется чего-то супер-пупер универсального?
[14:01:17] _lorien: я думаю, может не ебать мозг и распечатать diving into python 3, чем с амазона заказыать
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[14:01:43] Sevenov: mishok13, у меня тут интеграция с 1с, оно мне присылает строку типа 1000.00
[14:01:46] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/library/decimal.html#recipes
[14:01:49] mishok13: бгыгы
[14:01:52] mishok13: ксетате
[14:01:59] Sevenov: И не хочется сплитить, умножать гонять в инт и т.п.
[14:02:01] mishok13: RTFM, Sevenov
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[14:02:13] Sevenov: Олол
[14:02:26] Sevenov: Вот только что листал рецепты, маней не было o_O
[14:02:31] Sevenov: годно прогладел
[14:02:44] _lorien: https://launchpad.net/django-currencies такая херь есть
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[14:03:10] py_two: Есть словарь ключ[список].Интересно, что будет быстрее: 1) скопировать существующий словарь и над ним проводить действия удаления элементов списка\удаление ключей со списками или строить новый словарь ?
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[14:04:40] Sevenov: _lorien, currency какой-то неабстрактный.
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[14:05:46] Typhon: py_two: в вакууме, как-то, но вообще, copy + delete по условию, скорее всего, будет медленнее, чем фильтр оригинального
[14:05:50] Sevenov: Рецепт из доков сойдет, всё равно жинжа.
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[14:07:01] py_two: Typhon: оригинальный должен остаться нетронутым
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[14:08:07] py_two: в том и вопрос, что будет создаваться новый словарь
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[14:08:21] Typhon: filter :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] , само собой
[14:08:27] py_two: тольк очто будет быстрее с нуля строить его или взять скопировать оригинал и над ним действия выводить
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[14:08:32] py_two: *производить
[14:08:32] Ляпатяпа: создавать новый словарь более трушно
[14:08:48] py_two: трушно или быстрее ?
[14:08:54] Ляпатяпа: трушно
[14:09:01] Ляпатяпа: и ихмо быстрее
[14:09:02] py_two: разница в словах примерно такая, как теория и практика
[14:09:07] py_two: война и мир
[14:09:09] py_two: отцы и дети
[14:09:11] py_two: :)
[14:09:22] Ляпатяпа: нельзя без тестов сказать, что быстрее, а что нет
[14:09:33] Ляпатяпа: может копирование дохуя оптимизировано
[14:09:36] Ляпатяпа: в пятоне
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[14:45:05] bobry: товарищи, у кого нить кроме меня python-mode поломался?
[14:45:20] bobry: я тут запустил по дурости el-get-update и оно больше не умеет indentation
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[14:50:24] Typhon: а посмотри у них на ланчпаде последние изменения какие были :) если сможешь, конечно. я то теперь, ясное дело, не буду обновлять ничо ^_^
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[14:53:09] webninja: ух ты а что за эль гет упдате?
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[14:53:28] webninja: расскажите кто что юзает для емакса
[14:53:33] Typhon: !google el-get
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[14:53:38] Typhon: !google piranha el-get
[14:53:48] Typhon: !google solovyov.net el-get
[14:53:51] Typhon: во
[14:54:28] bobry: Typhon, мне вообще стремно обновляться -- то el-get поломали, то пакет какой :/
[14:54:53] bobry: Typhon, ты кстати nav не пользуешь?
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[14:55:08] Typhon: неа, не использую, что это?
[14:55:20] Typhon: и эль-гет не обновляю, кстати, да ^___^
[14:55:41] bobry: это что то типа спидбара, тока кошерней
[14:55:53] bobry: http://code.google.com/p/emacs-nav/
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[14:56:48] bobry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode/+bug/736150
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[14:56:52] bobry: вот и оно
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[14:57:08] Typhon: не понял зачем nav нужен
[14:57:14] Typhon: ну то есть, он показывает содержимое папки
[14:57:22] Typhon: dired-mode тоже показывает
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[15:00:22] bobry: ну он там много чего может
[15:00:32] bobry: bookmarks по директориям, grep, ack
[15:00:40] bobry: типа lightweight dired
[15:00:47] bobry: в маленьком фрейме
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[15:03:24] webninja: я тоже хочу такое расширение )
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[15:10:15] Magister Yoda: как в CSS-файлах использовать шаблонные переменные django?
[15:10:33] xa4a: /me вообще не знает, зачем нужны всякие project explorerы, с тех пор, как поставил плагин command-T
[15:11:09] xa4a: Magister Yoda: а) ты этого вряд ли хочешь. б) если таки хочешь, то тебе надо отдавать css через вьюху, в котрой шаблонизатором рендерить переменные
[15:11:22] Magister Yoda: ужас.
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[15:12:04] Magister Yoda: тогда как указывать? просто путь /media/images/*.png?
[15:12:33] Typhon: xa4a: что такое комманд-Т ?
[15:12:33] xa4a: зачем тебе указывать с css медии?
[15:12:34] xa4a: это статик
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[15:14:10] mishok13: у меня сначала поломалась индентация, потом расцветка
[15:14:13] Magister Yoda: а как писать в ксс-файле?
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[15:14:47] nott: зависит от кучи факторов.
[15:14:50] xa4a: /static/..
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[15:15:08] Ляпатяпа: Magister Yoda, относительный путь?
[15:15:20] Ляпатяпа: ../images/test.png
[15:16:58] Magister Yoda: щас попробую...
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[15:19:01] webninja: черт помогите как установить этот nav-el?
[15:19:28] webninja: а все там в файлах написано
[15:19:34] webninja: хоть бы ридми сделали
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[15:20:25] Magister Yoda: Ляпатяпа: вроде PyCharm говорит что с путём всё в порядке, но картинки CSS'ом всё равно не подгружаются
[15:20:42] Ляпатяпа: в фаербаге смотри по какому урлу пытается грузить
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[15:23:41] Magister Yoda: чо за фаербаг?
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[15:25:10] Magister Yoda: http://getfirebug.com/releases/lite/chrome/ оно?
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[15:26:17] Ляпатяпа: да
[15:26:21] Ляпатяпа: нет
[15:26:23] Ляпатяпа: не лайт
[15:26:35] Ляпатяпа: на http://getfirebug.com/ должен быть download
[15:26:58] Magister Yoda: под хром нет не лайта
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[15:27:18] Ляпатяпа: в хроме есть своя консоль, там смотри
[15:27:26] Ляпатяпа: ctrl shift i
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[15:28:42] Magister Yoda: не открывает
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[15:29:08] Ляпатяпа: bergamot@ws39 ~/.vim/ruby/command-t $ ruby extconf.rb
zsh: correct 'ruby' to '_ruby' [nyae]? n
extconf.rb:24:in `require': no such file to load -- mkmf (LoadError)
from extconf.rb:24
[15:29:19] Ляпатяпа: ctrl shift j
[15:29:27] Ляпатяпа: если нет - может не установлена
[15:29:36] Ляпатяпа: но я такого не видел
[15:29:39] Magister Yoda: пути нормальные. верные показывает фаербаг
[15:29:46] Magister Yoda: видимо проблема в другом
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[15:30:27] Ляпатяпа: мб
[15:31:06] Ляпатяпа: как установить command-t?
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[15:32:25] Ляпатяпа: загуглил, sudo apt-get install ruby1.8-dev
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[15:33:29] Typhon: 1.9. же уже есть :)
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[15:35:59] Ляпатяпа: хз, вроде 1.8 в убунте десятой ставится
[15:36:04] Ляпатяпа: ладно, по домам
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[15:38:08] webninja: в хроме не нужен файрбаг там консоль своя ваще отличная
[15:38:12] webninja: inspect делай
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[15:41:04] py_two: мне админ отрезал интернет, мля:)
[15:41:24] py_two: когда-то сам был админом и сидел на интернете, а ща мне отрезают. лол
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[15:41:54] py_two: ввиду этого не могу прогуглить. В понедельник открою себе нет.
[15:41:57] py_two: вопрос:
[15:41:59] webninja: иди дай ему в морду
[15:42:00] py_two: x = 2
if x == 0:
print "da"
elif
print "net"
elif
print "net"
else:
print "pipec"
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[15:42:23] py_two: webninja: он далеко от меня. километров 300-400
[15:42:23] Typhon: SyntaxError
[15:42:29] py_two: webninja:
[15:42:33] py_two: elif
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[15:42:39] py_two: пробывал и так и эдак
[15:42:40] webninja: ;
[15:42:42] webninja: :
[15:42:50] webninja: после elif
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[15:43:03] webninja: это конструкция как case of
[15:43:08] Typhon: elif УСЛОВИЯ
[15:43:09] Typhon: блеа!
[15:43:12] webninja: да
[15:43:13] Typhon: гуглить он не может
[15:43:20] webninja: жжешь )
[15:43:22] Typhon: *УСЛОВИЕ
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[15:43:29] webninja: я даже стал казаться сам себе умным )
[15:43:31] py_two: ояебу скока текста
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[15:44:48] webninja: if x=0:
foo()
elif x<0:
bar()
else:
zor()
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[15:46:30] py_two: ога, я тупой. Да-да, я тупое быдло, которое тормозит постоянно
[15:46:45] webninja: я тоже тормозил в начале )
[15:46:59] webninja: мне повезло я не знал что есть каналы в жаббере
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[15:47:32] webninja: поэтому мои пару месяцев позора никто не видел )
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[15:54:56] nmk: а никто не помнит урл диаграмки кол-ва серверов у гугла и прочих гигантов?
[15:55:04] nmk: квадратиками там было всё нарисовано
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[15:59:43] nmk: /me нашел. http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/most-dedicated-servers.jpg
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[16:01:17] Typhon: тут количество только?
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[16:01:35] Typhon: было бы прикольнее по "весу" ( с учётом конфигурации машинок )
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[16:05:00] nmk: а у кого модно в штатх хостится? rackspace какой-то дорогой, iweb ок вроде, но канада
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[16:12:38] mishok13: linode же, нет?
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[16:13:28] mishok13: картинка прекрасная, конечно
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[16:13:44] mishok13: только фейсбук отнюдь не commodity сервера держит, в отличии от гугеля
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[16:14:41] nmk: на линоде нету нужных конфигов
[16:14:44] nmk: 4гб рам это как-то не ок
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[16:17:56] mishok13: но их можно пачками же
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[16:20:11] nmk: да можно да. там кстати и по 20гб есть тачки
[16:20:13] nmk: но не дешевые
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[16:20:58] mishok13: то есть, ты хочешь 20ГБ впску дешево?
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[16:21:07] mishok13: amazon ec2 хыхы
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[16:23:29] xa4a: /me подумывает выкинуть уже балконный сервер
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[16:23:42] xa4a: пылью зарос.. и не нужен, в общем-то уже
[16:23:58] огыешсук: /me давно уже выкинул
[16:24:10] xa4a: остаётся только куда-то бота пристроить
[16:24:33] xa4a: даст кто-то шел? :)
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[16:28:05] wiz_: какого бота?
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[16:28:12] nmk: mishok13: да мне не нужен впс то. мне не виртуальная тачка больше подойдет
[16:28:21] xa4a: wiz_: silent_bob
[16:28:28] nmk: просто на iwebе за 800 баксов я возьму тачку сильно больше чем эта виртуалка
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[16:28:38] nmk: как по дискам, так и по памяти
[16:28:42] огыешсук: 800 это в год?
[16:28:47] nmk: месяц
[16:28:53] огыешсук: чет дороговато
[16:29:00] nmk: я молчу сколько траф там стоит
[16:29:14] nmk: по сравнений с ценой на траф в рашке :)
[16:29:28] slav0nic: это под что тебе такая телега?)
[16:29:37] nmk: да игры, игры..
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[16:40:45] nmk: на ивебе 2xNehalem 2.26 (хз скока кеша) 48 мозгов, 4x146gb 15k в 10рейде стоит 719 баксов. я хочу такие же цены в рашке :)
[16:41:00] nmk: в рейде с батарейкой, да. :)
[16:41:15] огыешсук: а как бишь округлять до 0.5 (а не до целой еденицы)?
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[16:41:41] nmk: * и / ? :)
[16:42:04] огыешсук: например?
[16:42:08] nmk: round(1.4/0.5)*0.5
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[16:55:11] webninja: как в виме undo?
[16:55:21] xa4a: u
[16:55:22] slav0nic: u
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[16:55:31] xa4a: это в простейшем случае
[16:55:35] Typhon: ESC :q! emacs
[16:55:36] Typhon: %)
[16:55:37] nmk: :undo
[16:55:38] xa4a: там на самом деле дерево правок хранится
[16:55:49] xa4a: !g gundo
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[16:59:07] webninja: а как строчку удалить? )
[16:59:30] nmk: vimtutor
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[16:59:41] webninja: это последний вопрос )
[16:59:54] Typhon: C-k
[17:00:16] webninja: не работает
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[17:00:33] mishok13: C-S-Backspace
[17:00:38] mishok13: попробуй, это точно работает
[17:00:39] nmk: dd
[17:00:54] nmk: mishok13: в моих иксах не работает
[17:01:11] nmk: и у меня почему-то не получилось включить
[17:01:12] webninja: dd работает! )
[17:01:15] mishok13: у вас хуевый имакс
[17:01:25] webninja: мы про вим )
[17:01:27] xa4a: webninja: в консоль вбей vimtutor
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[17:04:02] webninja: ага нужно было конфиг подредактировать а ничего кроме вим и mc нет но mc как-то фигово с буффера вставляет
[17:04:10] webninja: лесенкой
[17:04:32] Typhon: вим также будет, если не отключить автоидент, емнип
[17:04:39] xa4a: там есть :set paste
[17:04:45] xa4a: тогда хорошо вставляет
[17:04:49] webninja: вим норм вставляет
[17:04:52] xa4a: странно
[17:04:53] webninja: по шифт+инсерт
[17:04:59] xa4a: наверно, если не включать индент)
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[17:05:12] webninja: хз как было все ниче не менял
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[17:06:58] webninja: поставил nginx на фронт а апачи на бэкэнд )
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[17:14:28] Typhon: сходил налил чаю )
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[17:23:22] darkillusion: нужно создать регэксп. заменить все спец. символы кроме нескольких, можно создать как нить исключения для \W ?
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[17:33:08] vnuchaev: Здравствуйте! Это опять я по поводу заказа на разработку ICQ бота
[17:33:11] umi is now online
[17:33:48] vnuchaev: кто-нибудь может написать бота, который бы взаимодействовал с базой данных. Напишите, пож
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[17:34:42] Trec: vnuchaev: фриланс сайты не посещал?
[17:34:58] vnuchaev: Trec: там одни придурку
[17:35:01] vnuchaev: придурки
[17:35:21] mishok13: 3 штуки баксов
[17:35:28] mishok13: 1 неделя
[17:35:29] Trec: vnuchaev: хм, ну бесплатно там точно никто делать не будет
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[17:35:50] Typhon: наверное, поэтому и придурки :-)
[17:35:56] slav0nic: )
[17:36:00] webninja: 3и штуки!
[17:36:02] webninja: бля за 2е напишу
[17:36:09] webninja: но за 2е недели
[17:36:17] webninja: индусский демпинг
[17:36:29] mishok13: это неправильный демпинг
[17:36:30] Trec: webninja: за 1 напишу, но незнаю работать будет или нет
[17:36:48] slav0nic: ща до реальной цены опуститесь)
[17:36:48] vnuchaev: где я писал, что за бесплатно
[17:36:49] webninja: ого
[17:36:50] Typhon: я ничего писать не буду, но могу взять денег за консультацию и менеджемент
[17:36:58] mishok13: правильный это "1 штука 2 дня мы осиня многа работаем над бота для асикю уже команда 80 человек выбирайте нас"
[17:37:09] webninja: могу проксировать Typhon'а
[17:37:14] mishok13: я могу взять денег просто так
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[17:37:47] Typhon: Z4984849849898 !!!
[17:37:53] Trec: просто так совесть не позволит, всётаки что-то напишу
[17:38:06] webninja: так а че никто не хочет бота написать то
[17:38:06] mishok13: + константа
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[17:38:20] vnuchaev: Если серьезно, то я могу потратить на это до 500 долларов, на фрилансе реально одни проходимцы
[17:38:24] webninja: кто шарит в твистед
[17:38:36] mishok13: дипвокер
[17:38:42] slav0nic: ой oscar в твистед давн оне обновлялся, там пипец кал внутри)
[17:38:44] webninja: изложи ТЗ по боту
[17:38:50] vnuchaev: я пообщался
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[17:38:56] vnuchaev: с некоторыми там
[17:38:59] vnuchaev: ужас
[17:39:01] mishok13: в твистеде вообще полная жопа с некоторыми протоколами
[17:39:01] vnuchaev: сейчас изложу
[17:39:09] mishok13: я ж на спринте над твистедом работал
[17:39:17] mishok13: oh my fucking goodness, какгрицца
[17:39:28] slav0nic: интересно. там до сих пор гавнакод в эскейпинге html в oscar
[17:39:30] Typhon: вот ты там фиксишь что-то, а они потом ботов писать будут!
[17:39:36] slav0nic: и чё наработали?
[17:39:39] mishok13: http://twistedmatrix.com/highscores/ <---
[17:39:48] webninja: ого крут )
[17:39:55] mishok13: ну, документацию будут выкладывать новую
[17:39:57] mishok13: на сфинксе
[17:40:03] Trec: в админку django поставил TinyMCE но при нажатии кнопок всплывают пустые окна, чего ему не хватает то?
[17:40:04] mishok13: я даже видел частично
[17:40:10] webninja: там ваще доков считай не было
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[17:40:17] mishok13: вроде даже повыкидывали старые доки
[17:40:22] webninja: я делал порыв почитать но не получилось
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[17:40:46] slav0nic: да, sphinx уже видел, хоть оплучше стало) а то старая докак полный П
[17:41:03] vnuchaev: по поводу ТЗ - его сюда скидывать или .. Или куда?
[17:41:18] mishok13: следующий этап -- cleanup и deprecation старых модулей
[17:41:49] Trec: vnuchaev: в личку кто заинтересовался
[17:41:53] slav0nic: vnuchaev, тому кто заинтересуется и кидай
[17:42:35] mishok13: потом twisted.web до ума доведут
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[17:42:54] mishok13: во всяком случае, это общее направление
[17:43:03] webninja: а кто заинтересуется?
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[17:43:27] vnuchaev: Я с вашего позволения сюда кое-что скину. У этого бота планируется несколько возможностей, я только некоторые опишу
[17:43:33] Trec: ну кто-то ж там писал за полное ТЗ, лог читай и ему кидай
[17:43:38] vnuchaev: кому интересно, пообщаемся более конкретно
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[17:44:17] mishok13: нет, пожалуйста
[17:45:00] webninja: выложи на dumpz.org
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[17:45:48] vnuchaev: ага, сейчас напишу. Сек
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[17:46:15] webninja: я бы написал но не знаю твистед и мне некогда. так что интерес чисто академический
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[21:56:15] Magister Yoda: ппц. все умерли что ли?
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[22:56:22] cryptspirit: Доброе время суток. Вопрос как "оформлять" файлы сценариев под никсы (с BOM или без). Я так и не понял есть ли простое решение ведь все зависит как я понял от локали?
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[22:59:28] wiz: чочо?
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[23:05:01] deepwalker: чтобы такое для машапа найти, для фотоальбомов? Как дискус, только фотки
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[23:07:03] wiz: о, я бы тоже поюзал
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[23:15:05] deepwalker: ссылки на фотки оставлять как-то вообще не айс, хотелось бы галереи на сайте
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[23:22:29] cryptspirit: говорю как бороться с тем что сценарии на питоне bash не может определить sha-bang изза кривой локали. нужно решение что бы сценарии загнать в пакет и успокоиться не переживая что на ос пользователя кривая локаль
[23:23:01] wiz: а при чём тут локали?
[23:23:24] wiz: #!/usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

print "приветм, ир!"
[23:23:51] cryptspirit: а как тогда пояснить что одна машина без бума запускает сценарий а другая нет
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[23:24:19] cryptspirit: просто оболочка цепляет бум с шабангом при кревой локали
[23:24:26] cryptspirit: кривой
[23:25:13] Typhon: я думаю, что второй сервер просто не освятили
[23:25:13] deepwalker: я так понимаю у тебя ошибка при выводе юникода
[23:25:21] wiz: запускай через python script.py и всё
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[23:25:38] deepwalker: он пытает его закодировать в местную локаль, а она кириллицу не знает
[23:25:57] cryptspirit: а ага типо я это спрашивал я говорю о тех случаях когда пакет собираю
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[23:27:24] deepwalker: cryptspirit, ну херово спрашиваешь
[23:27:30] deepwalker: раз никто не понимает
[23:27:34] cryptspirit: пипец. Есть сценарий(файл) есть конечный компьютер позьователя как "подготовить" код что бы тот запускался 100%
[23:27:41] deepwalker: никак
[23:27:53] cryptspirit: Вопрос кто пакеты собирал с питоном?
[23:28:03] deepwalker: ось какая?
[23:28:03] wiz: какие пакеты?
[23:28:04] cryptspirit: для никсов линукса
[23:28:08] deepwalker: план9?
[23:28:11] wiz: egg? deb? полиэтиленовые?
[23:28:17] deepwalker: никсы линукса?
[23:28:24] deepwalker: HP UX LINUX?
[23:28:28] cryptspirit: lf gecnm lt,s
[23:28:39] cryptspirit: Да пусть дебы
[23:28:48] deepwalker: я собирал
[23:28:48] wiz: а при чём тут питон?
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[23:29:14] cryptspirit: Какой формат файлов утф8 без бум?
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[23:29:20] wiz: что у тебя за ошибка то возникает?
[23:29:38] deepwalker: кто такой бум??
[23:29:40] Typhon: "Какой формат файлов утф8 без бум?" ыыыэыэыэыэ
[23:29:43] wiz: shebang
[23:29:44] wiz: #!
[23:29:44] Typhon: ваще пиздец
[23:29:49] deepwalker: шо?
[23:30:02] wiz: надмозг
[23:30:04] deepwalker: шебанг == бум??
[23:30:07] cryptspirit: да это брат у себя на машине запускал сценарии а вместо них курсор как при команде import
[23:30:17] wiz: оо
[23:30:23] wiz: вечер перестаёт быть томным (8
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[23:30:35] wiz: и как брат, не умер от этой хуйни?
[23:30:45] deepwalker: а шебанг как выглядит?
[23:30:47] cryptspirit: lf dhjlt ytn
[23:30:51] wiz: #!
[23:30:52] cryptspirit: да вроде нет
[23:30:55] Typhon: !екфты
[23:30:55] deepwalker: пля
[23:30:57] deepwalker: полный
[23:30:58] Typhon: !trans
[23:31:01] cryptspirit: )))))))))

[23:31:13] deepwalker: cryptspirit, покажи полную строчку
[23:31:26] cryptspirit: мадонна миа
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[23:31:50] cryptspirit: #!/usr/bin/env python
[23:32:03] cryptspirit: #!/usr/bin/python
[23:32:08] Typhon: а ошибка то какая?
[23:32:16] wiz: и локаль тут при чём
[23:32:16] cryptspirit: ;%:?*()
[23:32:20] deepwalker: не определяется интерпретатор
[23:32:25] deepwalker: видимо
[23:32:26] cryptspirit: я счас пойду вешатсо
[23:32:51] deepwalker: от локали ни фига не зависит
[23:32:55] cryptspirit: Ладно дело заходит в тупик
[23:33:05] deepwalker: шебанг первой строкой?
[23:33:17] deepwalker: а под ним локаль?
[23:33:38] wiz: не локаль, а source encoding
[23:33:42] cryptspirit: В исходных файлах оставлять UTF-8 без BOM? И на сегодня достаточно
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[23:34:04] wiz: вом это от слова vomit?
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[23:34:37] Typhon: :D
[23:34:41] cryptspirit: нет это байты определяющие то что строка в кодировке юникод
[23:34:56] cryptspirit: помещаються в начале файла
[23:35:10] cryptspirit: это явное указание на кодировку
[23:35:21] cryptspirit: и при кревой локале они необходимы
[23:35:32] deepwalker: что то как то в этом неуверен
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[23:35:43] deepwalker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark
[23:35:55] cryptspirit: wiki 24 часа в сутки
[23:36:29] deepwalker: убери ты BOM
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[23:36:46] deepwalker: не смущай sh
[23:36:56] cryptspirit: Вы намеренно мои сообщения пропускаете??
[23:37:14] cryptspirit: (23:36:47) cryptspirit: В исходных файлах оставлять UTF-8 без BOM? И на сегодня достаточно
[23:37:21] deepwalker: да
[23:37:28] cryptspirit: :-D
[23:37:51] deepwalker: а откуда пришла мысль использовать БОМ?
[23:38:34] cryptspirit: да помоему IDLE его использует непомню давно это было я его уже давно не использовал
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[23:55:28] py_two: кто в grub шарит ?
[23:55:37] py_two: нужна помощь что пипец
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[23:56:20] Typhon: да тут во всем шарят
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