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[04:59:29] webninja: йода у меня чекер проверял 200к за 10мин во много потоков. это не проблема. а вот если по одному проверять ты их и за год не проверишь.
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[05:02:35] webninja: _lorien: я скрипт написал он берет прокси список и начинает искать их в гуле. все что есть в гуле, страницы загружаются и регулярочкой оттуда режется все что похоже на прокси. затем парсит. ну по 800 живых было. они правда дохнут быстро но так же много "стационарных".
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[05:07:07] webninja: почти все сервисы которые предоставляют прокси делают так же )
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[07:17:58] Magister Yoda: привет всем. http://dumpz.org/39975/ подскажите пожалуйста почему этот способ то работает нормально, то не работает... :(
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[11:16:24] py_two: добрый всем день
[11:16:36] py_two: всетаки как насчет многострочных комментариев ?
[11:16:48] py_two: нужно порой блоки кода закоментить
[11:17:16] py_two: по пол часа их комментирую и раскомментирую с помощью #
[11:17:31] py_two: есть другой какой-то способ комментировать блоки кода ?
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[11:18:32] slav0nic: """
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а ваще юзай норм IDE
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[11:49:08] _lorien: py_two: да, любой нормальный редактор должен уметь комментировать блок кода
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[12:07:21] xa4a: py_two: у тебя вим?
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[12:12:19] webninja: даже емакс умеет
[12:13:08] огыешсук: /me возмущен этим "даже"
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[12:13:30] mishok13: M-;
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[12:14:32] cutwater: так кто-нибудь работал с tastypie
[12:14:34] cutwater: ?
[12:14:59] cutwater: это приблуда аналог django-piston для REST APi
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[12:26:22] py_two: xa4a: да планирую на вим спрыгнуть. Короче ща не вим:)
[12:26:25] deepwalker: "сколько получаешь? А научи меня!" - самая тупая просьба во вселенной
[12:26:49] py_two: xa4a: уже порешали вопрос. Есть оказывается на хоткее коммент\анкоммент
[12:27:12] deepwalker: потом я сказал, что паскаль успешно забыл 7 лет назад, и мне выдали, что хоть в чем-то лучше меня facepalm
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[12:27:33] mishok13: pascal прекрасен
[12:27:36] deepwalker: а тут оказывается весьма адекватные бывшие пехапешники обретаются : )
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[12:27:46] cutwater: deepwalker: о чем речь?
[12:27:55] cutwater: /me логов не читал
[12:28:05] deepwalker: эти логи не в этом чати : )
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[12:28:10] webninja: я помню чуть чуть паскаль
[12:28:14] webninja: =)
[12:28:14] deepwalker: это крик души
[12:28:17] cutwater: хех
[12:28:22] cutwater: :-D
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[12:28:28] cutwater: я паскаль никогда не знал
[12:28:37] cutwater: мой мозг остался девственно чист
[12:28:39] deepwalker: может ты еще и бейсиком не владел??
[12:28:46] cutwater: о нет
[12:28:50] deepwalker: как ты мог!
[12:28:53] slav0nic: я в универе старался на С писать, но не все препады были за)
[12:28:55] cutwater: мой мозг таки засорен скверной
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[12:29:13] cutwater: /me таки когда-то писал на бейсике и на PHP
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[12:29:28] xa4a: я вчера как раз нашёл крутой курсач с 1-го курса на паскале про рисование графов
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[12:29:34] xa4a: uses graphics, crt;
[12:29:35] deepwalker: а мой пехапе сайт первый до сих пор жив, и там до сих пор ходят люди : )
[12:30:03] deepwalker: crt это клавиатурка?
[12:30:15] cutwater: C runtime ?
[12:30:32] bobry/Work: /me долгий -- все видели? http://python3wos.appspot.com/
[12:30:35] deepwalker: да там какие-то плюшки для экрана и клавы были
[12:30:44] cutwater: у меня CRT только с этим ассоциируется
[12:30:49] xa4a: CRT - Turbo Pascal screen and keyboard handling unit
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[12:31:25] xa4a: ещё стыренный у кого-то юнит для обработки мышки..
[12:32:09] deepwalker: не с немецкими комментами?
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[12:33:49] xa4a: без комментариев
[12:33:54] xa4a: unit mymouse;
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[12:35:45] deepwalker: у меня столь древние исходники не сохранились : ( только на сях и opengl развлекушки
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[12:36:20] deepwalker: как же меня всегда бесила невозможность перегрузки операторов на паскале
[12:37:33] Typhon: а я на паскале лсд-трип рисовал :) с музыкой и кругами, ы
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[12:38:56] deepwalker: не, я с младых ногтей бредил 3d
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[12:39:37] deepwalker: а рейтрейсинг ваще пронзил мое сердце. И там была с книжкой дискетка, но я 5 лет не мог себе добыть компилятор C++
[12:40:09] deepwalker: приходилось на паскаль переводить
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[12:44:18] _lorien: http://pep8.ru/forum/topic/3/?page=5#post-56 блин, какой-то глюк странный, при нажатии на ссылку открывается адрес #ln=7 вместо #ln=7,8, ссылка вроде правильная.... просто там запятая заэскейплена
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[12:51:06] bobry/Work: им всем должно быть стыдно :))
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[12:54:37] bobry/Work: agreed, yo
[12:55:01] bobry/Work: а чего pip то не умеет py3?
[12:55:35] mishok13: пушо не умеет
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[12:56:33] mishok13: вроде спринтили над поддержкой
[12:56:42] mishok13: я не знаю правда результатов
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[12:59:14] mishok13: https://convore.com/pycon-2011/a-bias-survey-of-python-frameworks/ виновый тред
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[13:16:50] bobry/Work: deepwalker, слушай -- ты вот смотрел всякие библиотеки валидаторов; есть ли что нибудь чтобы можно было описать схему сдефолтными значениями, а потом скормить ей dict из строк и получить на выходе dict с нужными типами?
[13:17:19] deepwalker: вообще это все делают
[13:17:23] deepwalker: и джанга в том числе
[13:17:46] bobry/Work: ну да -- мне надо что то совсем легкое
[13:17:51] bobry/Work: без рендеринга форм итп
[13:18:10] deepwalker: volputosчто ли
[13:18:14] deepwalker: сейчас проверю
[13:18:26] bobry/Work: а, это который required() для ключей хочет?
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[13:18:52] deepwalker: ага, flatland кстати имеет крайне обгрызанную подержку форм
[13:19:01] deepwalker: можно сказать, что их нет : )
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[13:19:48] deepwalker: мне кажется тебе придется посмотреть самому на все
[13:20:00] bobry/Work: ага, уже смотрю -- спасибо :)
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[13:20:03] deepwalker: чтобы понять - хочешь ты решать проблемы в этом коде, или нет : )
[13:20:44] deepwalker: ну и прокруст тоже никогда не откажется от контрибуторов : )
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[14:20:42] webninja: у меня книжка была полигональные модели ) помните такая желтенькая
[14:20:55] webninja: там были исходники дум ) и ваще объяснялось как че делать
[14:21:17] webninja: я тогда делал на паскале крутящиеся многоугольники и алгоритмом художника отсекал поверхности )
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[14:26:00] _lorien: а я в школе на лиспе чуток программил, пару прожек простых :D
[14:26:08] _lorien: Мы автокад изучали и у него скрипты можно было писать тогда (и сейчас) на автолиспе
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[14:26:26] _lorien: потом ещё добавили vbasic, когда автокад на винду переполз, тогда то он под досом был o_O
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[14:51:53] py_two: не пойму чего это вдруг нынче лисп стали интегрировать в массы ?
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[14:52:19] bobry/Work: нынче?
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[14:52:24] py_two: 10 лет бы никому не нужен и начали потихоньку появляться статьи и холивар, где показывается насколько лисп крут и насколько все остальное говно
[14:52:32] bobry/Work: не нужен?
[14:52:45] bobry/Work: py_two, слишком толсто -- иди на лор с таким :)
[14:52:56] py_two: причем тут толсто ?
[14:53:00] py_two: я говорю так, как есть
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[14:53:25] py_two: 10 лет без этого яп развивалось IT и вдруг за него некоторые вспомнили и начали холивар
[14:53:46] py_two: что внес за 10 лет в it ваш самый лисп ?
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[14:54:26] bobry/Work: почему за 10 лет? он существует уже больше 30и лет
[14:54:31] py_two: тем более
[14:54:34] py_two: за 30 лет
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[14:56:27] py_two: я просто заметил тенденцию: то и дело начинает всплывать какое-то Богом забытое говно и начинает раскручиваться(чтоб не сдохло)
[14:56:44] bobry/Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)#Language_innovations
[14:57:02] py_two: ой ну не надо, ясное дело там будет воспет лисп
[14:57:06] bobry/Work: py_two, и ты еще говоришь что ты не толстый
[14:57:36] py_two: если бы все, что там написано соответствовало действительности, то на этом яп кодило бы гараздо больше, чем почти ноль на 100 кодеров
[14:57:52] Typhon: миллионы мух, гг
[14:57:53] bobry/Work: окей, С++ это industry standard
[14:57:58] bobry/Work: значит ли это что он охуенный яп?
[14:58:03] py_two: значит
[14:58:05] Typhon: ну типа лисп говно, потому что есть АГДА2!11!!
[14:58:07] bobry/Work: количеством мерять конечно можно, но как то странно
[14:58:15] py_two: чистый си стандарт, а с++ еще нет
[14:58:21] py_two: по крайней мере в среде вин
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[14:58:49] py_two: в лине только-только его приняли со скрипом
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[15:00:02] bobry/Work: я мало пишу на лиспе -- поэтому не могу щас разом выдать killer features, но как минимум lisp имеет красивую идею
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[15:00:12] py_two: короче: если бы лисп был действительно так хорош, как о нем воспевается - то он бы был на сцене используемых языков. Иначе мы видим то, что видим.
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[15:00:30] py_two: bobry/Work: ос\2 имеет тоже красивую идею
[15:00:31] bobry/Work: лисп хорош не для всего
[15:00:45] Typhon: кодогенерация
[15:00:50] bobry/Work: py_two, в курсе ли ты что лисп до сих пор активно используется для символьных вычислений?
[15:00:55] Typhon: не в скиме, конечно
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[15:01:00] bobry/Work: лисп хорош не для всего -- тут смешно спорить
[15:01:02] Typhon: sbcl каокй-нить
[15:01:04] bobry/Work: ага
[15:01:10] Typhon: см шутауты
[15:01:14] Typhon: хоть и бенчмарки (суть говно)
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[15:01:28] py_two: за питоном будущее
[15:01:31] webninja: http://pics.livejournal.com/ibigdan/pic/00tzz80p
[15:01:37] Typhon: py_two: ты просто показываешь, что нихуяшеньки не знаешь :)
[15:01:42] Typhon: когда про "сцену говоришь"
[15:01:42] bobry/Work: py_two, за невежеством будущее
[15:02:02] py_two: Typhon: где он применяется ?:)
[15:02:05] py_two: где ?
[15:02:12] py_two: я в IT около 8 лет
[15:02:17] bobry/Work: *facepalm*
[15:02:24] py_two: я за лисп услышал вот только пол года назад
[15:02:37] webninja: elisp в емакс
[15:02:45] Typhon: ну это твои проблемы, например :)
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[15:02:57] Typhon: я про автаралию только вчера услышал
[15:03:00] Typhon: ;австралию
[15:03:05] Typhon: но до сих пор в неё не верю!
[15:03:25] bobry/Work: :D
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[15:03:41] Typhon: потому что я в мире уже n лет
[15:03:42] py_two: чу и че емакс кул ?
[15:03:45] Typhon: а австралии ещё не видел
[15:03:47] py_two: говно какое-то
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[15:03:51] Typhon: толсто
[15:03:52] bobry/Work: оо, жииир
[15:04:06] bobry/Work: я чую это альтер эго севенова
[15:04:21] bobry/Work: который чета совсем тихий стал
[15:04:27] py_two: ой, извините что обосрал церковь Эмакса
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[15:04:44] xa4a: эмакс старше тебя
[15:04:51] xa4a: да?
[15:04:52] bobry/Work: и он дольше в IT
[15:04:53] bobry/Work: :D
[15:04:57] py_two: ну и Ленин старше меня
[15:05:00] py_two: и Сталин
[15:05:04] py_two: и Гитлер даже
[15:05:12] bobry/Work: но они не были в IT
[15:05:18] py_two: а эмакс был
[15:05:18] bobry/Work: сам посуди, какой из стлаина itшник
[15:05:19] webninja: емакс кулл заметь в тут емакс и вим это онли опшн )
[15:05:32] py_two: ну IBM тоже в it дольше меня
[15:05:38] py_two: мне до этого какое дело
[15:05:39] bobry/Work: py_two, по твоей же логике emacs и vim офигенные редакторы -- потому что они очень популярны
[15:05:50] bobry/Work: ты ж тока шо так про С++ говорил
[15:05:56] webninja: заходить сюда и нагло заявлять что ты пишешь код на каком нибудь нет бинс это примерно как в деревне отказаться пить с мужиками. =)
[15:06:11] py_two: bobry/Work: обьективно да
[15:06:15] py_two: субьективно нет
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[15:06:45] py_two: субьективность и обьективность - две разные вещи
[15:06:46] bobry/Work: py_two, ты хочешь сказать что ты объективно признаешь их "качество" но субъективно не можешь его принять?
[15:06:47] bobry/Work: или шо?
[15:06:51] nmk: бля. я пишу код на каком-то нет бинс
[15:07:01] bobry/Work: nmk, ну ты отброс общества какой то
[15:07:04] nmk: ну, конечно не на нет бинс
[15:07:04] Typhon: nmk: fouuuuuu %)
[15:07:09] bobry/Work: еще и на питоне пишешь небось
[15:07:11] py_two: обьективно они оба хороши, но субьективно эмакс говно, а вим - няшка
[15:07:12] webninja: =))) ренегат!
[15:07:14] bobry/Work: С++ же пацанский язык!
[15:07:17] Typhon: сегодня с нами ты не пьёшь, а завтра родину продаешь
[15:07:21] nmk: ну питон говно, да
[15:07:25] bobry/Work: ))
[15:07:40] nmk: а в нет бинсе шрифт какой-то, тоже говно
[15:07:58] webninja: ага
[15:08:25] py_two: за питоном будущее
[15:08:32] nmk: ой да какое будущее
[15:08:32] py_two: я узнавал
[15:08:34] nmk: будущее за c++
[15:08:48] nmk: а питон ваш -- щляпа!
[15:08:50] nmk: шляпа
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[15:08:55] nmk: это ж надо было так написать
[15:09:10] xa4a: будущее за Go, ваще-та
[15:09:11] nmk: а вообще все пацаны на районе уже давно на java пишут
[15:09:12] py_two: nmk: ты сам шляпа. Шляпа от пиписьки
[15:09:15] Typhon: агда2
[15:09:18] nmk: там говорят всё круто
[15:09:25] Typhon: или скала на худой конец
[15:09:29] Typhon: а вы гопники тут все
[15:09:33] Typhon: :)
[15:09:35] nmk: угу
[15:09:36] py_two: :)
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[15:10:06] nmk: ну вот что ваш питон. ничего интересного в нем нету. то ли дело жава. напишешь абстрактную фабрику по производству абстрактных фабрик.. неделя релакса..
[15:10:33] py_two: пачка гуталакса и неделя релакса
[15:10:59] py_two: и без жавы
[15:11:00] nmk: ну и посуди сам. все крутые редакторы написаны на жаве. а убогий ваш емакс на чем-то непонятном
[15:11:12] nmk: ну и вим -- на сях. без плюсов. это ж прошлый век
[15:11:19] огыешсук: /me недавно разбирался в питонячьих абстрактных фабриках. Теперь я понял откуда эта ересь в моём подведомственном проекте проклюнулась.
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[15:12:22] py_two: nmk: прошлый век - ваше мировозрение
[15:12:42] py_two: чистый си - это pure power
[15:13:24] nmk: асм -- pure power
[15:13:30] py_two: ой да не смеши
[15:13:45] py_two: асм - для узкоспециализированных каких-то вещей
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[15:13:54] py_two: типа прошивки микроконтроллеров
[15:13:59] py_two: или еще какой-то хрени
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[15:14:05] nmk: угу. или там ос написать.
[15:14:09] webninja is now online
[15:14:11] nmk: все ж когда-то писали ос
[15:14:13] nmk: свою
[15:14:15] nmk: собственную
[15:14:18] nmk: без емакса
[15:14:20] nmk: и вима
[15:14:23] nmk: с провославной жавой
[15:14:34] nmk: блин. че-то не получается быть севеновым
[15:14:37] py_two: я не писал, ибо не было времени на такую чушь
[15:14:38] nmk: буду работать лучше.
[15:14:42] py_two: ну и травой не увлекаюсь
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[15:14:48] nmk: это зря
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[15:15:09] py_two: не, ну только в качестве чаёв
[15:15:18] py_two: допустим возьмем липу и мяту и чабрец
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[15:15:24] nmk: ладно. я вот тут в сомнениях. что лучше взять. ейр или новую прошку
[15:15:36] py_two: 30 минут в термосе. Открываем и пьем
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[15:22:49] py_two: обычно в мегаполиссах не увлекаюься таким
[15:23:04] py_two: а я был в одном селе - попробывал такой чаёк и влюбился прямо
[15:23:22] py_two: теперь с усмешкой смотрю рекламу батика допустим или ахмада
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[16:43:50] gigimon: nmk: а ты скольки дюймовый бук смотришь?
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[16:56:29] огыешсук: lenovo лучше всех
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[16:56:57] огыешсук: ну, то есть та, что thinkpad`ы делает, а не эту новомодную ересь
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[17:00:27] огыешсук: вон обещають этой весной выпустить ноут с 24 часами автономной работы
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[17:02:12] Typhon: ^_^
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[17:02:45] огыешсук: нет, в режиме нормальной работы
[17:03:16] nmk: gigimon: ну за плюсы прошки я беру проц, возможность добавления памяти/безгиморного замены винта + более долгое время работы. за ейр плюсы вес, дизайн, большее разрешение (если 13шку рассматривать).
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[17:05:25] gigimon: nmk: 13 прошка новая уг, только проц ок впринципе
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[17:05:44] gigimon: nmk: ты часто проц нагужашеь на 100%?
[17:06:11] gigimon: в новой прошке 13 нету видеокарты нормальной
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[17:07:25] nmk: ну видяха меня только и смущает. т.е. мне она нужна только для отрисовки интефрейса
[17:07:43] nmk: а проц на 100, конечно нет. но совсем же разные поколения процов
[17:07:43] gigimon: ну хз тогда
[17:07:49] nmk: есил каждый год прошку менять, то ок
[17:07:49] gigimon: время работы 13 и аира почти одинаковое
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[17:08:35] nmk: ну ссд я и в прошку могу воткнуть
[17:08:38] nmk: сам
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[17:24:01] gigimon: ну а ту уже
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[17:30:15] cutwater: питоночат посоветуйте фотоаппарат класса мыльница для выпрямления рук
[17:30:48] cutwater: я тут приглядел себе Canon G95
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[17:31:58] огыешсук: nikon d300 для начинающего самое то
[17:32:07] огыешсук: только это не совсем мыльница, да
[17:32:29] огыешсук: за мыльницу мобильник сойдёт, сложно найти мобильник без камеры, а то и двух
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[17:32:37] cutwater: огыешсук: ну мне пока надо что-то более карманное но в тоже время не дерьмовое по качеству.
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[17:32:55] gigimon: canon s200
[17:32:58] gigimon: вполне неплох
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[18:14:43] nmk: бля. упал хром, потащил за собой иксы
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[18:27:55] bobry/Work: ого
[18:30:02] nmk: память говорит закончилась :)
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[18:45:07] Typhon: nmk лайвжорнал не открывал?
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[18:45:41] nmk: не-не-не. графики я через jqplot рисую.
[18:45:47] Typhon: я пару дней назад посмотрел таск менеджер хромовый — так у меня страница лайвжорналовская, которая открытой пару дней висела — 400 метров съела!
[18:45:53] Typhon: там сраный лжтаймс
[18:46:14] nmk: ну да. его имбицилы писали
[18:46:19] nmk: как и раскрывание комментов
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[19:48:37] CrazyPHP: Привет всем! Можете подсказать вещь такую, в opera почемуто кросс-доменные ajax запросы делаются только на определённые домены (в ослах и прочих, на любые домены), как это исправить?
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[19:50:52] xa4a: крос-доменные аяксы вообще делаться не должны
[19:51:03] xa4a: см. jsonp
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[20:31:18] Tony: ник с вопросами кореллирует.
[20:31:36] bobry: эм, был же какой то стандарт для cross domain ajax'a
[20:31:53] Typhon: стандарт "НЕНАДОТАКДЕЛАТЬ" ?
[20:32:13] bobry: не, шота не могу нагуглить
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[20:42:30] xa4a: открываем запрос в ифрейме и фпирде!
[20:42:51] bobry: не-не, там честный ajax был
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[20:51:25] xa4a: /me чуть не начал писать блого-движок на джанге
[20:52:16] xa4a: vj;tn e;t tcnm ujnjdsq [f,h yf l;fyut&
[20:52:24] xa4a: может уже готовый есть хабр на джанге?
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[20:55:23] xa4a: pinax?
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[20:57:08] bobry: pinax омерзителен
[20:57:43] xa4a: варианты?
[20:58:30] xa4a: + конкретнее, пжлст. чем омерзителен. а то я ещё не дошёл в туториале до кода
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[21:06:45] xa4a: мнда..
[21:06:54] xa4a: всё. надоело ждать, пока оно вытащит все дпенденсы
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[21:12:37] bobry: xa4a, совершенно не расчитан на модификацию расширение
[21:12:51] bobry: может быть это удобно когда тебе нужно взять pinax и просто поменять title в шаблонах
[21:13:08] bobry: но когда ты хочешь переписпользовать компоненты по отдельности -- постоянно натыкаешься на проблемы
[21:13:14] xa4a: окей, понял. я всё-равно ещё ни одного блого-движка не написал :)
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[22:01:49] xa4a: class-based generic views какие-то странные
[22:01:51] xa4a: или мне кажется?
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[22:07:36] wiz: странные
[22:07:43] wiz: но говорят, всё же хорошие
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[23:35:14] xa4a: какой брос! http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/115893/
[23:35:21] xa4a: вброс
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[23:35:55] cutwater: но ведь правда же
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[23:37:57] eihwaz07: Как минимум, с этим ""с паттернами разработки, которые существуют не потому что они хорошо решают какую-то проблему, а потому что так сделано в популярном фреймворке X, следовательно, думают многие — это хорошо."" можно согласиться
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