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[03:53:15] webninja: http://bugs.python.org/issue7980
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[03:53:30] webninja: думал че за фигня, а оказалось баг =(
[03:54:52] webninja: Lib/_strptime.py <http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/_strptime.py> itself should be thread-safe. I am guessing that it has something to do with the way the C code in time.c imports _strptime.py. A possible solution if it is the C code's import stuff is to create a time.py that imports a _time.c, but that's a total guess as to whether that will solve anything.
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[07:22:05] _lorien: как мне импортировать stdlib::random если у меня лежит в текущей директории random модуль? :(
[07:23:09] Magister Yoda: переименовать random в текущей дериктории?
[07:23:15] Magister Yoda: *директории
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[07:23:35] _lorien: без переименования, как сделать
[07:23:59] Magister Yoda: может можно как то явно указывать путь к модулям?
[07:24:04] _lorien: например, есть __builtin__ - там все встроенные функции есть. Может есть что-то для модулей из stdlib?
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[07:24:39] _lorien: В смысле явно? Путь в файловой системе? Это недопустимо, это сделает скрипт непереносимым.
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[07:25:08] webninja: include lib.random
[07:25:09] bobry: _lorien, никак, ты его в sys.modules перекрываешь же
[07:25:13] webninja: ой
[07:25:21] webninja: import lib.random as random
[07:25:40] bobry: раскажите ка мне лучше -- кто нибудь мудился с debhelper и format = 3.0 (quilt)
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[07:27:12] _lorien: да дело в том, что я в самой lib щас нахожусь, у меня в модуле в секции if __name__ == '__main__' тесты, я их запускаю, просто запуском этого модуля, он лезет в random и натыкается на random, который рядом лежит :)
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[07:30:51] _lorien: блин, это проёб питона, шо он мне мешает называть модули, как я хочу
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[07:33:12] _lorien: придётся переминовать random в чо-нить, шобы по граблям не шагать
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[08:07:05] py_two: кто вообще по яше сильно разбирается ?
[08:07:22] py_two: webninja : :)
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[08:11:05] _lorien: да ты спрашивай просто
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[08:18:12] webninja: я разбираюсь яша - хуйня
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[08:18:27] _lorien: а чё-то sphinx мои doctestы вывел как кусок говна
[08:19:44] webninja: кто?
[08:20:48] _lorien: пакет, который из text-документов строит красивую html-документацию, все его юзает
[08:20:57] _lorien: например документация джанго сгенерирована через sphinx
[08:21:10] _lorien: он умеет например докстринги извлекать, полуавтоматическая документация получается
[08:21:23] _lorien: вот пример для моего django-common: http://packages.python.org/django-common
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[08:21:47] _lorien: http://packages.python.org/django-common/_sources/index.txt - а так выглядит исходник документации :)
[08:22:20] py_two: webninja : а че тогда песдишь, коли не знаешь ничего про яшу ?:)
[08:22:24] _lorien: Т.е. можно документировать код через докстринги и потом оно попадает в документацию, удобно
[08:22:26] py_two: webninja: песдун:)
[08:22:41] _lorien: py_two: ты заебал, спрашивай вопросы, пожалуйста, конкретные :)
[08:23:01] webninja: это ты пездишь а я заявляю авторитетно
[08:23:03] py_two: _lorien : у меня проект из индекса яши вылетел вчера
[08:23:16] bobry: _lorien, ты че под ruby@cjr косишь?
[08:23:22] bobry: там настаящие пасаны сидят
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[08:23:37] webninja: ну и че? иди на серч спрашивай йопт пипец
[08:23:46] bobry: webninja, same?
[08:23:57] webninja: я py_two
[08:24:03] bobry: я понял
[08:24:18] py_two: webninja: да че там серч тот. 2\3 лапухов и 1\3, которые работают и не до ответов им
[08:24:20] webninja: пытается ебать мне мозги тем что у него сайт из индекса вылетел.
[08:24:38] bobry: пообщайтесь ка в привате шоли
[08:24:48] py_two: webninja: почему пытаюсь ? Я пять минут эффективно тебе их ебал, а не пытался
[08:25:02] py_two: =)
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[08:32:17] webninja: что еще за har har? =)
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[08:33:31] webninja: !g har har
[08:33:58] webninja: о круто
[08:35:31] _lorien: respectful уважительный? Разве сарказм может быть уважительным?
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[08:38:06] webninja: ну там как прилагательное
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[08:40:33] xa4a: _lorien: про random тебе поможет отлько sys.path, думаю
[08:40:38] xa4a: если что-то и может тебе помочь)
[08:41:06] bobry: ну можно кстати сделать финт ушами
[08:41:15] bobry: импортнуть random из .
[08:41:21] bobry: потом почистить sys.modules
[08:41:25] bobry: убрать . из sys.path
[08:41:29] webninja: грязный хак
[08:41:31] bobry: и импортнуть системный random
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[08:43:01] _lorien: я уже переменовал random в sample час назад )
[08:43:06] bobry: лол :)
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[08:43:46] _lorien: про sys.path я думал, но я надеюсь это вы шутили ;-)
[08:44:04] bobry: ну работать то будет :)
[08:46:08] _lorien: php тоже работает :)
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[08:57:46] webninja: пхп отличный язык программирования
[08:58:07] webninja: миллионы мух не могут ошибаться =)
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[08:58:40] xa4a: джангочка 1.3, если тчо
[09:00:22] _lorien: ух, ты, я на ней уже час дебагаю сайт значит :) недавно virtualenv перестроил
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[09:04:31] webninja: уже?
[09:04:56] webninja: блин надо идти на правила слушать че там про знаки рассказывают, а так лень =(
[09:05:36] webninja: побегу
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[09:29:50] py_two: а как бы вывести время работы скрипта ? есть какая-то функа простая ?
[09:30:06] py_two: нужно точное время замерять работы скрипта
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[09:32:38] py_two: _lorien : ^)
[09:33:06] py_two: есть что-то такое или нужно выбирать время, потом выполнять основное тело скрипта, потом опять брать время и вычитать ?
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[09:33:43] Ляпатяпа: !g python timeit
[09:34:01] py_two: Ляпатяпа:интернета нет, прогуглить не могу
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[09:35:46] Ляпатяпа: import timeit сначала
[09:36:01] py_two: понял, благодарю
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[10:12:28] Jff: ребят, если ли какая-нибудь субд такая же простая как sqlite, но поддерживающая работу в несколько потоков одновременно ?
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[10:13:48] wiz_: sqlite вроде ж поддерживает
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[10:15:28] Jff: данные поломаются, если даже и заставить как-то в разных потоках работать
[10:15:43] Ляпатяпа: Разве?
[10:15:50] Ляпатяпа: это ж не bsddb
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[10:16:23] Jff: хм, ну тогда скажите как мне заюзать его в отдельных потоках, а то он ругается
[10:16:39] Jff: в одном с очередью не очень правильно
[10:16:40] bobry/Work: Jff, connection по моему можно разделять вполне
[10:16:42] bobry/Work: это курсор нельзя
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[10:16:50] bobry/Work: *если я не путаю
[10:16:55] bobry/Work: т.е. по курсору на тред и вперед
[10:17:09] Jff: щас попробую
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[10:24:13] Jff: ProgrammingError: SQLite objects created in a thread can only be used in that same thread.The object was created in thread id 2024 and this is thread id 6020
[10:24:41] Jff: http://dumpz.org/42772/
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[10:25:01] bobry: значит я перепутал :)
[10:25:09] bobry: а чего очереди не нравятся?
[10:26:02] Jff: мух от котлет хочется разделить
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[10:26:47] Jff: ладно, mysql заюзаю тогда
[10:26:51] Typhon: хз. по хоару вполне :) один процесс исполняет запросы, а остальные ему срут
[10:26:59] Typhon: sqlite надо собирать с нужной трединг_моде
[10:27:11] Typhon: может оно в питоне собирается без поддержки?
[10:27:30] Jff: не знаю, проблема то всем известная
[10:27:54] Jff: я сам не искал , но знакомый так и не нашёл нормального решения
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[10:28:58] bobry: Jff, ну для питона наваяли axiom кстати
[10:29:07] bobry: я правда уже не помню в чем там финт
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[10:32:10] Jff: для простых сметрных, что есть axiom ?
[10:32:21] bobry: !g axiom sqlite python
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[10:32:40] bobry: в общем это фигня которая позволяет писать в sqlite из нескольких тредов
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[10:33:37] _lorien: Jff: а ты заведи отдельны поток, который работает с субд и работай с ним
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[10:33:53] Jff: я так и делал, но мне не очень нравиться такой подход
[10:33:54] _lorien: или не поток, но функцию, которая лочится, когда идёт работа с бд из какого-то потока
[10:33:58] Jff: + у меня он криво работал
[10:34:14] _lorien: Jff: ну тогда юзай mysql/posgres они вроде могут шарить connection :)
[10:34:42] Jff: может на коммитах попробовать ставить замки ?
[10:34:53] Jff: но там наверное старые данные будут у других потоков
[10:34:54] Jff: :(
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[10:36:01] _lorien: http://www.sqlite.org/threadsafe.html так вроде ж может он
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[10:40:31] Jff: уже mysql ставлю
[10:40:52] Jff: лучше сразу в более мение нормальную бд это кидать
[10:41:02] Typhon: одну записную книжку. на другую сменил :)
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[10:41:28] Jff: ну а что получше тогда
[10:41:41] Typhon: монгодб^W постгрес :)
[10:42:50] Jff: о, кстати
[10:43:07] Jff: что за хрень с сигналами в grab ?
[10:43:10] Jff: _lorien:
[10:43:24] Jff: мне надоело ручками импорт править )
[10:43:28] Jff: для чего это вообще
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[10:43:41] Jff: import signal
signal.signal(signal.SIGPIPE, signal.SIG_IGN)
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[10:53:41] xa4a: где-то видел такое недавно
[10:53:52] xa4a: а, чтобы не сегфолтился питон при ошибке в С-модуле
[10:53:54] xa4a: нет?
[10:54:26] Typhon: с чего вдруг?
[10:54:33] Typhon: просто sigpipe игнорить хотят
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[11:11:29] _lorien: Jff: ну это такая хрень... я постоянно забываю нах она нужна, вот как-то так, но она нужна :)
[11:12:29] xa4a: http://www.wlug.org.nz/SIGPIPE
[11:12:44] xa4a: может это от сломанной трубы?
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[11:13:47] wiz_: от сломаной трубки
[11:14:01] wiz_: crack pipe
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[11:16:10] Typhon: Python/pythonrun.c: PyOS_setsig(SIGPIPE, SIG_IGN);
[11:16:12] Typhon: бгг
[11:18:12] wiz_: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/shortcuts/#django.shortcuts.render аллаху акбар!
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[11:21:44] bobry: в 1.3 уже видимо не попадет
[11:22:32] wiz_: в смысле? это из релиз нотес вроде
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[11:33:44] xa4a: когда уже render_to?
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[11:35:38] slav0nic: чё? render() шоткат есть
[11:37:18] wiz_: xa4a, видимо хочет декоратор
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[11:42:35] xa4a: хочу декоратор, да.
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[11:42:50] _lorien: декоратор выглядит круто, хотя в редких случаях мешает
[11:43:06] _lorien: когда надо например другой шаблон использовать в ответе
[11:43:21] xa4a: а, или я не понял
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[11:44:02] _lorien: а, дык ща кстати вроде сделали там какой-то lazy reponse, у которого можно тока context брать и подставлять куда надо... или мне это приснилось, хз ))
[11:44:18] xa4a: да, в генериках что-то было
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[11:45:10] xa4a: хороший шорткат, да
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[11:52:12] _lorien: круто-круто, портировать-неперепортировать теперь на фичи новые
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[11:55:22] _lorien: чё-то update.sh разросся http://dumpz.org/42791/ пора fabric осваивать шо ле
[11:56:36] nmk: fab клёвый. правда надо подождать пока допилят возможность запускать задание на разные хосты параллельно
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[11:57:32] _lorien: да у меня как бы одна vps, чо мне там параллелить )
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[12:11:58] _lorien: http://wordstat.yandex.ru/?scmd=abs&cmd=months&page=1&ts=1300875041&text=python&key=bc00b43051be3453d847279fcd5a879c
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[12:13:02] _lorien: http://wordstat.yandex.ru/?cmd=months&scmd=abs&text=php&geo=&text_geo= а с php стабильно, интересно, чо за всплеск во второй половине 2010
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[12:15:40] xa4a: удобненький гугл срзу даёт фид новостей..
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[12:17:42] xa4a: http://www.google.com/trends?q=python%2C+php&ctab=0&geo=ru&geor=all&date=2010&sort=0
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[12:20:40] _lorien: http://www.google.com/trends?q=python%2C+php&ctab=0&geo=ru&geor=all&date=all&sort=0 вот прикольно, до 2005 нахуй никому python не впился в рашке :)
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[12:21:58] _lorien: а, 2005, хм, я подумал 1995
[12:22:08] _lorien: не, не может быть шо до 2005 питоне не нужне был :D
[12:23:17] mishok13: а зачем, когда был замечательный перл и прекрасный пхп?
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[12:24:33] _lorien: http://www.google.com/trends?q=python%2C+php%2C+perl&ctab=0&geo=ru&geor=all&date=all&sort=0 вон какой перл популярный был
[12:25:04] Typhon: 23-foot python found basking in sun <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/03/state/n052042S48.DTL&amp;tsp=1> гг
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[12:26:11] _lorien: http://www.google.com/trends?q=bdsm&ctab=0&geo=ru&geor=all&date=all да просто у гугля какая-то неполная статистика
[12:26:28] _lorien: или он с 2006 просто на российский рынок вышел
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[12:52:15] xa4a: до 2005 нахуй никому рашка не впилась в гугле :)
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[13:48:36] Jff: _lorien: куда бы я не ставил grab у меня везде ошибка с этим sigpipe, приходится ручками try править
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[13:49:04] _lorien: чо за ошибка то?
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[13:52:02] wiz_: …should be replaced with: {% load url from future %}…
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[13:52:15] wiz_: {% load jinja from future %}
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[13:57:24] Jff: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SIGPIPE'
[13:57:29] Jff: винда, os x
[13:57:45] Jff: насчет debian не понмю, но тоже вроде
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[14:01:59] _lorien: что тоже вроде? у меня в debian всё ок :)
[14:02:09] Typhon: 13
[14:02:09] Typhon: %)
[14:02:21] _lorien: ща патч сделаю
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[14:02:52] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/42808/ вот тока что проверил, поставил свежий grab и работает
[14:03:01] _lorien: правда какую-то фигню выдал нечитаемую :o)
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[14:08:21] _lorien: залил новую версию
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[14:09:12] Jff: сделал общий try ? )
[14:10:24] _lorien: там и так был try
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[14:10:51] _lorien: посмотри сорцы, там же написано всё :)
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[14:11:10] Jff: я ручками общий ставил
[14:11:26] _lorien: Я говорю, залил новую версию, должна работать на винде, тестируй
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[14:15:34] Jff: не знаю куда ты выложил
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[14:15:41] Jff: с битбакета клона сделал
[14:15:43] Jff: тоже самое
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[14:17:22] _lorien: я на pypi залил
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[14:17:28] _lorien: щас на бакет ещё отправил тоже
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[14:20:29] Typhon: зачем ставить на сигпайп игнор ?
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[14:20:37] Typhon: если он и так игнорится в питошке?
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[14:22:15] Typhon: а какие вообще сигналы доступны под виндой в этом модуле, крое CTRL_* ?
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[14:27:07] _lorien: хз, зачем ставить, но так надо, про это пишут в рассылке и в примерах есть
[14:27:42] webninja: ImportError: Failed to import _strptime because the import lockis held by another thread.
блин не че за фигня =( баг в пятоне, пишут что должен быть сэйф а он не сейф для потоков.
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[14:29:53] Typhon: _lorien: а где так пишут, можешь урлы дать?
[14:30:25] Typhon: пушо, "Python installs a small number of signal handlers by default: SIGPIPE is ignored (so write errors on pipes and sockets can be reported as ordinary Python exceptions) and SIGINT is translated into a KeyboardInterrupt <http://docs.python.org/library/exceptions.html#exceptions.KeyboardInterrupt> exception. All of these can be overridden."
[14:30:30] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/library/signal.html
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[14:30:55] Typhon: типа "на вяский случай, вдруг кто переставил"? :)
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[14:33:57] Jff: чтобы было
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[14:34:14] Jff: я не знаю что это, но пусть будет :)
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[14:36:05] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/network-circo.png
http://lorien.name/static/pub/network-dot.png - вот попробовал визуализировать связи в блогосфере :)
[14:36:21] _lorien: graphviz не очень компактно рисует
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[14:37:40] _lorien: Typhon: https://bitbucket.org/lorien/grab/src/540367f3e336/grab/ext/pycurl.py#cl-11 :D
[14:38:06] Jff: чатик
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[14:38:50] _lorien: чем граф красиво визуализировать?
[14:38:57] _lorien: не обязательно питоном
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[14:40:46] Jff: django 1.3
[14:41:22] Jff: released :)
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[14:42:08] _lorien: вау!
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[14:42:31] Typhon: _lorien: graphviz
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[14:42:50] _lorien: _lorien: graphviz не очень компактно рисует
[14:43:07] _lorien: я ж выше ссылки кинул, мне такие картинки не нравятся
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[14:45:05] nmk: _lorien: http://www.yworks.com/en/products_yfiles_about.html
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[14:45:43] Typhon: _lorien: а , пропустил. а намути связи в жж — человечество будет тебе благодарно!
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[14:45:51] _lorien: чё-то я java не готов поставить, мне наверное надо какую-то js-либу, шобы там интерактив был
[14:45:53] Typhon: кстати, я думаю плотность настраивается :)
[14:46:05] Typhon: про жс либу bobry искал — надо его спросить
[14:46:17] _lorien: связи в жж, да я там новые блоги буду парсить медленнее, чем они появляются :D
[14:46:35] nmk: _lorien: http://flare.prefuse.org/
[14:46:41] nmk: но там флешить надо
[14:46:42] Typhon: :) ну для одного юзера
[14:46:44] bobry: _lorien, все жс либы исходят из предположения шо граф можно рисовать рандомно
[14:46:58] bobry: если тебе это ок -- бери любую
[14:47:09] _lorien: А что значит рэндомно?
[14:47:10] bobry: *которую нагуглишь*
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[14:47:18] nmk: bobry: ты то свои графы нарисовал?
[14:47:19] bobry: ну т.е. каждый раз узлы будут отрисованы по разному
[14:47:37] downshft: ребята, такая проблема, я если помните пишу конвертер из одной django базы в другую, и тут такая всплыла проблема, я не могу импортировать в код два класса модели если сами классы одинаково называются, тоесть http://dumpz.org/42819/ выдает одинаковые значения :'( ребята что можно поделать, не могу побороть...
[14:47:38] bobry: nmk, ага -- мы там выродили нормальный алгоритм, по кругу рисуем
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[14:48:17] downshft: какой класс первым импортишь тот и всплывает, какие только имроты я не делал, даже если только корень импортить и инстанцировать, короче тут магия джанго что-то сама делает я думаю
[14:48:18] nmk: bobry: так а circo не подошел?
[14:48:21] downshft: подменяет реализации
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[14:48:28] downshft: _lorien: не подскажешь чего?
[14:48:36] bobry: nmk, слишком круто
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[14:49:09] _lorien: downshft: ну измени код, назови класс по другому, после импорти, переименуй его обратно :)
[14:49:28] downshft: тогда надо к нему имя таблицы приписывать?
[14:49:30] _lorien: можешь даже таблицы оставить прежние, там можно через мету указывать название таблицы вроде
[14:49:37] downshft: да, да
[14:49:52] downshft: просто слишком много телодвижений выходит, ох и ах, ну и наворотили в этой джанге, да уж...
[14:50:07] downshft: ладно, всем спасибо
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[14:50:48] Typhon: bobry: а нужно типа, чтобы всё на своих местах было всегда? проще координаты на холсте хранить, например :)
[14:51:15] bobry: Typhon, была и такая идея, ага
[14:51:21] _lorien: downshft: а в чём проблема? Одноимённые модели из разных приложений должны ок работать
[14:51:29] downshft: ну вот не работают как видишь
[14:51:34] _lorien: я не вижу
[14:51:40] downshft: посмотри дамп
[14:51:49] downshft: там то и приложения одинаково зовутся, вот в чем беда
[14:51:54] _lorien: я посмотрел, там 6 строк кода
[14:52:02] downshft: ну это минимальный пример
[14:52:06] _lorien: а, приложения, ясно
[14:52:13] downshft: суть в том что оба объекта одного и того же класса выходят
[14:52:17] downshft: того что первым заимпортирован
[14:52:20] _lorien: дык это
[14:52:32] _lorien: у тебя в INSTALLED_APPS они как записаны?
[14:52:42] downshft: никак, я же конвертер базы делаю
[14:52:49] downshft: у меня конфигурация налету в ней только базы прописаны
[14:52:58] _lorien: как никак, а как у тебя ORM работает?
[14:53:02] downshft: работает
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[14:53:09] _lorien: ну вот не работает же :)
[14:53:16] downshft:
from django.conf import settings

if not settings.configured:
settings.configure(
[14:53:25] downshft: и objects.using шмаляю
[14:53:31] _lorien: ну вот, как ты там приложения прописываешь?
[14:53:45] downshft: никак, я просто импортирую модели и все вроде бегает
[14:53:48] downshft: но я только начал
[14:53:54] downshft: а что installed_apps обязательно ?
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[14:54:11] _lorien: не знаю, просто ты юзаеш джанго извращённым способом и удивляешься, что она не работает
[14:54:31] downshft: ладно, буду ковырять, спасибо за советы
[14:54:39] downshft: способ такой потмоу что цели такие, мне ж просто скрипт нужен
[14:54:54] downshft: причем оба проекта очень похожи, точнее это один проект просто версии разные
[14:55:04] downshft: и там слишком много отличий потому нужен конвертер базы
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[14:55:42] _lorien: ну тогда, проще всего переименовать класс, ага
[14:55:45] _lorien: модель, в смысле
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[14:56:15] _lorien: так тебя просто смущает что __class__ одинаковый или из-за этого ORM не работает?
[14:56:39] downshft: orm не работает
[14:57:17] downshft: ну мне надо взять 1 модель конвертнуть названия полей, а оно мне лепит что во 2й таблице нет полей из 1й, тоесть класс одинаковый и поля оно тянет не из той модели
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[15:03:16] _lorien: это потому что у неё есть какой-то реестр, где хранятся все приложения и модели и ты затираешь одним приложением другое
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[15:04:25] _lorien: в общем надо не модель переименовывать, а приложение!
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[16:27:48] nmk: как же удобно в redisе набрать montior и как неудобно в мемкеше
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[16:29:10] wiz_: мемкаш разве нужен?
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[16:29:57] nmk: ну. скажем так, он там есть.
[16:30:19] nmk: а вообще конечно, запустил редисов по кол-ву ядер и не нужен
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[16:32:38] wiz_: /me читал, что автор советует запускать сразу стопицот штук
[16:32:49] wiz_: если шардинг используется
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[16:33:44] nmk: да с шардингом то как раз сложно
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[16:33:52] nmk: точнее ребалансинг это очень не приятное занятие
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[16:34:14] wiz_: ну вот он и говорит чтобы было приятно
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[16:34:30] wiz_: потом половину тупо выселяешь на другой хост и всё на местах
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[16:34:35] wiz_: *остаётся
[16:35:16] Jff: для каких целей redis используйте ?
[16:35:20] Jff: интересно
[16:35:36] nmk: wiz_: не очень решениие то, не? :) костылем за версту пахнет.

автор что-то в последнее время что-то не то пишет. по крайней мере метод ребалансинга который он предлагает, это назапускать кучу слейвов и подождать пока на них все среплицируется и грохнуть мастеры. как-то так.
[16:35:42] Jff: которые в продакшене
[16:35:47] nmk: Jff: ну у меня кое где кеш, счетчики, локи
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[16:36:08] wiz_: nmk, почему не очень?
[16:36:44] wiz_: меньше кода, меньше глючит
[16:37:25] nmk: ну, а память то под слейвы где взять?
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[16:38:55] wiz_: там какая-то оптимизация чтобы они не жрали её
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[16:39:11] wiz_: http://antirez.com/post/redis-presharding.html
[16:40:04] wiz_: «Every Redis instance running consumes little more than one megabyte of RAM. This means that having 32, 64, or 128 instances of Redis all running against the same Linux box does not pose any problem. »
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[16:41:12] nmk: че-то оптимизации не вижу ;)
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[16:42:12] nmk: а. я понял
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[16:44:46] nmk: я вот правда не могу понять, слейвы эти запись то пустят, после того как я аппликейш на них переключу
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[16:46:16] nmk: дам не предстоит еще с редисом поразбираться
[16:46:24] nmk: в смысле что-то типа кластера для него делать
[16:47:57] nmk: хотя, может какой membase возьму
[16:48:01] nmk: там типа из коробки
[16:48:03] nmk: но жутко медленно
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[17:14:44] wiz_: как в баше тупо подождать пока enter введут?
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[17:16:23] slav0nic: read -p 'press enter'
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[17:16:28] Typhon: read и проверить ?
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[17:22:03] wiz_: зацените агрегат https://gist.github.com/883203 (=
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[17:23:40] Typhon: бля
[17:23:56] Typhon: если в скрипте больше двух строчек его надо писать на языке
[17:24:10] cutwater: э.... да вы что ж все такие не любите баш
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[17:24:21] Typhon: наверное, потому что он говно? :)
[17:24:29] cutwater: может в тебе говорит неосилятор баша?
[17:24:48] Typhon: а те, кто говорит, что пхп говно — не осилили пхп, ага
[17:24:50] wiz_: А на чём писать, на перле чтоль?
[17:24:50] cutwater: для большинства задач писать скрипт на питоне не нужно. баш каг бэ удобней ну
[17:25:02] cutwater: Typhon: ну мы с тобой по-моему уже спорили на эту тему.
[17:25:08] slav0nic: я за cutwater если чё)
[17:25:11] wiz_: там питон ставится сам по ходу дел
[17:25:25] Typhon: wiz_: значит надо на окамле и бинарник
[17:25:27] Typhon: :)
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[17:26:18] wiz_: о!
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[17:26:31] wiz_: не, окамл не вебскейл. надо на nodejs
[17:26:48] cutwater: правильно. давайте на хаскеле
[17:26:54] Typhon: http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html — я вот эту фигню читать трубу шатал, например, для того чтобы merde скрипты хуярить
[17:26:55] cutwater: на хаскеле программу которая выкачивает питон
[17:26:59] cutwater: который выкачивает руби
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[17:27:21] Typhon: wiz_: для нодежс тоже что-то ставить надо, нужен бинарь без зависимостей
[17:27:43] Typhon: curl url > execute и готово
[17:29:09] Typhon: wiz_: ты ошибки не обрабатываешь
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[17:29:21] Typhon: что если во время установки портов что-то пойдёт не так?
[17:29:37] wiz_: всё плохо будет ):
[17:30:00] cutwater: Typhon: sh ? C ?
[17:30:15] Typhon: cutwater: м?
[17:30:28] cutwater: написать "скрипт" на сишечке
[17:30:36] wiz_: fuck yeah!
[17:31:06] Typhon: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/tov/code/shcaml/
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[18:01:07] Typhon: !wtf regroup
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[18:02:26] py_two: в адурилке глюков не у кого нет ?
[18:02:31] py_two: в яше имею ввиду
[18:02:51] py_two: у меня в выдаче яши 18 сайтов из индекса выскочили
[18:02:58] py_two: это реально или нет за два дня ?:)
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[18:03:43] py_two: проекты по 5-10к страниц т.е не маленькие
[18:03:43] Typhon: !g яша
[18:03:47] Typhon: хм
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[18:04:31] Typhon: !g адурилк
[18:05:44] Typhon: !g python яша
[18:06:24] Jeiz: всем спасибо, теперь сортируется, осталось добавить, что бы переносились на новую строку. Буду думать
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[18:07:46] mishok13: Typhon, может его забанить?
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[18:11:40] Typhon: mishok13: я против таких методов :)
[18:11:50] Typhon: но вообще можно ^___^
[18:12:03] mishok13: я тоже, но блядь, он же заебывает
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[18:14:01] Typhon: py_two: не заёбывай, а то !
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[18:18:25] webninja: даааа яндекс это пиздец. сайты то небось на одном ипе были
[18:18:35] Typhon: webninja:
[18:18:45] Typhon: seo@c.j.r.
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[18:19:10] webninja: вот поэтому и нужно использовать питон т.к. его любит гугл! )
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[18:35:29] Jeiz: ещё один вопрос, как сделать в питоне что-то подобное goto? Вот кусочек кода http://dumpz.org/42860/, как сделать, что бы после успешной проверки на ноль, программа не останавливалась бы, а снова запрашивала число
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[18:36:50] Typhon: ты хуйню написал какую-то :)
[18:36:56] Typhon: которая не скомпилируется
[18:37:02] Typhon: !wtf tutorial
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[18:37:07] Typhon: Jeiz: ^
[18:37:13] Typhon: /me чувствует себя ботом, гг
[18:37:18] cutwater: Jeiz: в питоне нет goto
[18:37:21] cutwater: и не нужен
[18:37:43] Jeiz: я знаю
[18:37:47] Typhon: в питоне есть ексепшны гг
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[18:38:51] cutwater: Jeiz: я не совсем понял что тебе нужно
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[18:39:17] Typhon: continue
[18:39:19] Typhon: $)
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[18:39:31] cutwater: Typhon: вот тоже вертелось на языке. но хотел уточнить
[18:39:35] Typhon: трай там, очевидно, над всякий случай стоит
[18:39:37] Typhon: МАЛО ЛИ ЧТО!
[18:39:39] cutwater: угу
[18:39:44] cutwater: ВДРУГ ЭКСЕПШН
[18:39:45] Typhon: без except'а
[18:39:49] Jeiz: Нет, трай потом используется
[18:39:53] cutwater: :-D
[18:39:58] cutwater: Jeiz: покажи весь код
[18:40:03] Typhon: Jeiz: ну тогда continue и читай туториал
[18:40:08] cutwater: else: pass тоже не понятно
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[18:41:04] Jeiz: континью работает, спасибо
[18:41:07] cutwater: а вот еще и магистр йода.
[18:41:15] cutwater: коэфициент неадеквата в конфе повышается.
[18:41:23] Jeiz: я как-то даже не подумал насчёт него
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[18:43:29] Jeiz: а вот весь код http://dumpz.org/42861/
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[18:44:02] cutwater: охщи
[18:44:15] cutwater: потрясающе
[18:44:20] Typhon: Jeiz: ты в каждой итерации определяешь функцию
[18:44:23] Jeiz: что совсем говно?
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[18:44:30] cutwater: Jeiz: смотри комментарий выше
[18:44:46] cutwater: плюс таки зачем ловить ValueError и делать pass
[18:44:50] cutwater: чтобы таки else написать?
[18:44:59] cutwater: имхо else вообще в 99.99% cлучаев не нужен
[18:45:13] cutwater: можешь там написать continue и дальше выполнять код не в try
[18:45:20] tilarids: Typhon, но при этом функция объявляется один раз
[18:45:25] cutwater: что уменьшит уровень вложенности и не будет ломать мозг
[18:45:42] cutwater: Jeiz: короче говоря ф-цию лучше вынеси выше. оно выглядит гхм... убого
[18:45:43] Typhon: tilarids: бгг, не заметил брейк
[18:45:44] Typhon: %)
[18:45:56] cutwater: Typhon: нет в смысле сама ф-ция будеь объявлена только раз
[18:46:11] cutwater: с замыканием на скоуп в котором она создается.
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[18:49:30] Typhon: регруп надо передалать, чтобы с итерэйблами любыми работал, кстати
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[18:50:20] Typhon: Jeiz: http://paste.in.ua/1971/ как-то так, сохраняя стиль твой
[18:50:29] cutwater: не успел
[18:50:31] cutwater: хех
[18:50:34] Typhon: :)
[18:50:42] Typhon: я ещё дифф хотел сделать
[18:50:47] Typhon: но онлайн диффы говно
[18:50:50] cutwater: try: забыл
[18:50:53] Typhon: так что образовательного эффекта не получится
[18:51:03] cutwater: и x <= 0 можно из try dsytcnb
[18:51:14] cutwater: вынести
[18:51:29] Typhon: а можно assert поставить, ыыы
[18:51:30] Typhon: %)
[18:51:38] Typhon: и ловить асершны, как мудак
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[18:52:06] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/42862/
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[18:52:09] cutwater: как-то так
[18:52:22] Typhon: http://paste.in.ua/1972/
[18:52:25] Typhon: а я поправил говно тоже
[18:52:33] cutwater: что?
[18:52:33] Typhon: [ы
[18:52:45] Typhon: в своей версии поправил какашки, смысле
[18:52:46] Typhon: :)
[18:52:51] cutwater: =)
[18:52:53] Typhon: иф правильнее вынести, конечно
[18:53:09] cutwater: ну и форматирование да. пробелы между операторами там...
[18:53:14] cutwater: Jeiz: ну ты понел
[18:53:39] Typhon: да, я у себя не форматировал, из кусочков собирал :)
[18:53:39] cutwater: Typhon: с первого взгляда кармический смысл регрупа не ясен
[18:53:51] cutwater: Typhon: ну это я нашему гостю
[18:53:52] Typhon: по пять на строку
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[18:53:58] Typhon: выводить
[18:54:06] Typhon: см выше там вопрос был, wiz_ ответил
[18:54:19] cutwater: ??
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[18:54:31] Jeiz: всем спасибо, кажется не быть мне программистом
[18:54:42] cutwater: а ясно
[18:55:03] Typhon: Jeiz: почему, ты почитай просто :-)
[18:55:15] cutwater: я вот даже не знаю это хорошо или плохо
[18:55:25] cutwater: Jeiz: ну ты почитай документацию, попробуй с простых задач
[18:55:29] cutwater: включай логическое мышление
[18:55:37] cutwater: прививай красоту кода
[18:55:45] cutwater: Typhon: а 5 пробелов я даже не приметил
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[18:56:10] cutwater: Jeiz: и да количество пробелов должно быть всегда одинаково. 4 желательно
[18:56:16] Typhon: !wtf pep8
[18:56:17] cutwater: а не 3 и не 5 от фазы луны.
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[18:57:08] cutwater: Jeiz: сразу объять необъятное не получится. так что придется упорно учиться. это не просто так где раз и готово.
[18:57:26] cutwater: как бы гвозди тоже надо уметь забивать. сначала по пальцам будешь попадать. потом научишься.
[18:57:54] cutwater: @all: какого хрена я его жалею а? это так на меня не похоже.
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[19:03:26] xa4a: cutwater: я думаю это всё py_two виноват. После него все кажутся такими душками :-[
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[19:15:54] Jff: http://dumpz.org/42871/
[19:16:02] Jff: _mysql_exceptions.ProgrammingError: (1064, "You have an error in your SQL syntax
[19:16:19] Jff: почему простейший insert не проходит ? =\
[19:16:41] Typhon: Jff: а какой запрос то итоговый в базу ушёл?
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[19:16:54] Jff: всмысле ?
[19:17:04] Typhon: после подстановки параметров
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[19:17:22] Jff: я же данные показал
[19:17:23] Typhon: колонки f2-f8 — это ок
[19:17:35] Typhon: ну я откуда знаю, как там майскул драйвер их подставляет
[19:17:38] Typhon: может там бага?
[19:17:51] Typhon: mogrify метод глянь или из логов телефонной книжки выцепь
[19:18:04] Typhon: олсо, Кодд смотрит на тебя как туполев и грозится уебать книгой
[19:18:20] Jff: :d
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[19:19:30] Typhon: зачем тебе колонки такие?
[19:19:41] Jff: я запилил
[19:19:45] Typhon: тебе нужно две таблицы, скорее
[19:19:45] Jff: чтобы вы не поняли
[19:19:48] Typhon: гггг
[19:19:55] Typhon: что ты порнохостинг делаешь ? :)
[19:20:05] Jff: вдруг вы мою гениальную идею украдёте
[19:20:11] Jff: там колонки говорящие, как и данные
[19:20:53] Typhon: кстати, mysql.paramstyle какой
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[19:21:00] Typhon: (или как там называется модуль-драйвер)
[19:21:27] Jff: format
[19:21:54] Jff: query = query % db.literal(args)
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[19:23:01] Jff: форматирование не при делах
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[19:24:43] Typhon: result в майскуле не какое-нибудь зарезервированное слово?
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[19:25:08] Jff: 1064 с кодировками что-то походу
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[19:26:18] py_two: xa4a: cutwater: я думаю это всё py_two виноват. После него все кажутся такими душками :-[
[19:26:32] py_two: xa4a: это ты к чему это такое сказал ?
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[19:27:29] xa4a: ну почитай логи же выше
[19:28:38] gigimon: кто-то джангу 1.3 уже трогал?
[19:28:47] gigimon: TemplateResponse - кто расскажет как его использовать?
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[19:29:12] gigimon: он типа как HttpResponse, но с информацией о темплейте и его можо возвращать во вьюхе?
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[19:29:26] Jff: долбоебизм
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[19:29:44] Jff: все поля надо так `field`
[19:29:50] Jff: это где-то отключить можно
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[19:30:15] Jff: имена полей точнее
[19:30:18] Jff: а не значения сами
[19:30:40] voronin: всем добрый вечер, может кто подсказать, почему данный код работает: http://pastebin.com/AK6nq8tv, а вот http://pastebin.com/iCrXSacC уже нет, и как пофиксить?
[19:31:01] py_two: xa4a: в последнее время я ж ничего не спрашиваю:)
[19:31:47] gigimon: voronin: film.find('div', {'class': 'info'}).findAll('span', {'class': 'gray'})[0].string).groups() отдельно проверь, находит вообще7
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[19:34:42] voronin: да, забыл, пишет: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'groups'
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[19:35:28] gigimon: значит нету groups :)
[19:35:37] gigimon: _lorien: не ковырял джангу 1.3?
[19:36:33] gigimon: он и накрутили они generic views
[19:36:38] gigimon: ох*
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[19:38:00] xa4a: py_two: ну всё.. первое впечатление и всё такое =)
[19:38:19] xa4a: вчера сказали, что говорят, что ноые генерики - хорошие
[19:38:46] voronin: ну это понятно, интересно что если убрать .groups(), то ['time'] будет <_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x9729f20>
[19:38:57] voronin: почему тогда нету метода .groups() O_o
[19:39:06] py_two: xa4a: ты же видишь, я очень быстрый. Если что-то изучаю - сразу начинаю писать читая и спрашивая параллельно
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[19:39:19] py_two: xa4a: дает хороший быстрый результат
[19:39:23] xa4a: py_two: это не может не радовать)
[19:39:25] gigimon: xa4a: ну поидее хорошие, но TemplateView.as_view(template_name="about.html") в urls как-то пугает
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[19:39:38] py_two: меня не любят - это минус, но и не гонят - это плюс:)
[19:39:45] gigimon: плюс на минус
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[19:42:09] Typhon: py_two: как не гонят то? смотри выше ^___^
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[19:43:43] voronin: ммм объясните пожалуйста, почему: a = {'time': data.groups()} не работает а вот a = {'time': data} a['time'].groups() не работает?
[19:43:57] voronin: тьфу, точнее последнее работает
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[19:44:28] Jff: совсем разные действия потому что
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[19:44:53] Jff: ой не
[19:45:10] voronin: поподробней, помоему симметрия
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[19:45:58] xa4a: симметрия
[19:46:00] xa4a: должно работать
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[19:48:42] voronin: http://pastebin.com/18xgstXd сабж
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[19:49:40] xa4a: разнеси сначала хотя бы на 5 строк
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[19:49:57] xa4a: потом обрати внимание, что ты почти отстрелил себе ногу неюникодными регекспами
[19:50:16] voronin: ну это же пруф оф концепт
[19:50:28] py_two: Typhon: я привык смотреть глубже, а не выше
[19:50:43] py_two: короче я не видел и не вижу этого
[19:51:01] voronin: а на несколько строк же нельзя, в питоне лямбда функции однострочные :(
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[19:53:39] xa4a: voronin: пиши на хаскеле
[19:53:40] xa4a: ой
[19:53:46] xa4a: перепиши без лямбда-функций
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[19:54:26] voronin: так как раз таки и забились с другом, на пруф оф концепт, что смогу написать парсер кинопоиска чертова, в функциональном стиле на питоне :)
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[20:05:01] Jff: извращенцы
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[20:09:54] voronin: вы так говорите, будто это что то плохое
переписал с юникодом, все равно не работает :(
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[20:11:38] voronin: а кстати, не может быть проблемы именно из-за использования лямбда функций?
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[20:36:49] Jff: чем бы кол-во символов на странице подсчитать
[20:36:52] Jff: чистого текста
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[20:38:01] Jff: мне под винды и считать не слова надо, а символы :)
[20:38:16] bobry: wc все умеет считать
[20:38:28] Jff: да это не то
[20:38:30] Jff: ты не понял
[20:38:34] Jff: вот есть страница
[20:38:38] bobry: где?
[20:38:38] Jff: в ней куча html тегов
[20:38:57] bobry: а, ну иди по тегам и считай везде text'ы
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[20:39:56] Jff: тексты ?
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[20:40:00] Jff: что есть тексты
[20:40:09] Jff: сложная так-то задача
[20:40:15] Jff: не считать лишних параметров
[20:40:26] Jff: и не потерять текст естесвенный
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[20:41:34] bobry: ну ты определись что ты считаешь
[20:41:42] bobry: буквы, цифры, знаки?
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[20:43:56] Jff: кол-во символов в тексте
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[20:44:13] Jff: по текстом подразумеваю полноценные статьи и т.д
[20:44:23] bobry: каких символов?
[20:44:24] bobry: \S?
[20:44:32] Jff: =\
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[20:45:31] Jff: http://python.su/blog/newsdaq/2009/04/25/job-programma-na-pitone-autologin-/
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[20:45:38] Jff: Вот видишь статья
[20:45:55] Jff: охото знать сколько она символов + сколько символов в комментариях
[20:46:15] bobry: Jff, ну тык иде ступор то?
[20:46:24] Jff: навигацию отбросить тоже надо бы
[20:46:27] bobry: начинай с body и спускайся рекурсивно по DOM'у
[20:46:45] bobry: а шо навигация? большую погрешность даст?
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[20:46:58] Jff: процентов 30 точно
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[20:47:42] bobry: ну можешь на классы смотреть -- фик знает
[20:47:54] bobry: был бы там html5 с его <nav /> :)
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[21:08:47] Typhon: надо писать авторам письмо, чтобы апи выдали ^_^
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