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[02:41:55] Tony: у кого есть инвайты на хабр?)
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[05:42:37] webninja: есть кто?
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[05:54:34] webninja: бро лориен привет
[05:54:44] _lorien: привет бро
[05:54:45] webninja: _lorien подскажи по архитектуре приложения
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[05:56:35] webninja: у меня есть скрипт который логгирует в консоль как бодро он выполняется. я хочу щаз по быстрому накидать веб интерфейс, там файлики загружать и т.д. и хотелось бы выводить в риал тайме результаты работы в веб т.к. скрипт может работать достаточно долго.
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[05:57:01] webninja: вот думаю как это сделать
[05:58:10] webninja: есть вариант с orbited или Streaming Comet с бесконечным iframe или можно использовать какой нибудь XEP-0060: Publish-Subscribe интерфейс
[05:58:28] webninja: https://github.com/agiliq/django-pubsub нашел такую штуку хз как подходит это или нет?:
[05:59:14] _lorien: без понятия, можешь просто на ajax делать запросы каждые 10 сек :)
[05:59:24] _lorien: и читать из файла строки или как-то так
[05:59:37] webninja: кстати да самое простое решение
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[09:21:35] webninja: 1.3 вышла жанга чтоли? )
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[09:27:55] webninja: ого ура )
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[10:54:36] bobry: требуются гуру deb пакетов
[10:54:38] bobry: есть хто?
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[10:55:34] _lorien: просто из файла читать неудобно тем, что файл растёт, например 1000 сообщений каждые 10 сек одни и те же будут читаться
[10:55:45] _lorien: надо в файле временные метки делать + дропать старые сообщения
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[10:56:01] _lorien: можн дропать после каждого чтения )
[10:56:04] _lorien: клиентом
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[11:01:02] py_two: утро
[11:01:16] py_two: я когда-то поднимал вопрос о проверке регистра слов
[11:01:25] py_two: интересует первая буква и в целом слово
[11:01:39] py_two: чекаю слова так: if str.isupper(y):
[11:01:53] py_two: это я так понял всё слово
[11:02:21] py_two: а если типа так if str.isupper(y[0]):
то сегментит
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[11:02:40] py_two: функе нужна строка, а не символ я так понимаю ?
[11:02:55] py_two: есть какая-то функа, которая прочекает первую букофку ?:)
[11:03:14] py_two: Typhon : :)
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[11:04:29] Typhon: "huy"[0].isupper() хз, что у тебя там "сегментит"
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[11:08:15] mishok13: http://www.work.ua/jobs/754639/
[11:08:20] mishok13: Место работы - работа на территории работодателя.
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[11:10:20] Typhon: работать работу в офисе работодателя, ага :)
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[11:10:29] bobry: :)
[11:10:42] Typhon: программист для программирования программ на языках программирования
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[11:11:05] bobry: программирования программ
[11:11:08] bobry: ты забыл главное
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[11:29:27] py_two: Typhon: угу, все ок
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[11:30:09] Typhon: питон не различает, btw, строки и символы — об этом написано в туториале
[11:30:14] Typhon: на первой странице, емнип
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[11:32:51] mishok13: да ты чо, туториал читать
[11:33:02] mishok13: еще блядь что-то разумное будет написано
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[12:37:50] py_two: есть словарь вида:
dict = {"a":[1,2,3]}
# Очистка содержимого словаря
for x in dict.iteritems():
dict[x[0]] = []
Чую что алгоритм не оптимален и чую от кого-то ща получу нагоняй за это, но пролистал перед этим две книги и не увидел, чтобы там делалось подобное:)
[12:38:15] mishok13: чтоблядьзанахуй
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[12:39:05] py_two: /me загибает пальчики
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[12:40:36] py_two: mishok13: как правильно написать
[12:40:48] mishok13: dict((key, []) for key in d.iteritems()) хотя бы
[12:40:55] mishok13: а вообще ты какой-то хуитой занимаешься
[12:40:57] mishok13: зачем это?
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[12:41:10] bobry: mishok13 чета совсем забыдлил :)
[12:41:20] bobry: но в случае py_two можно
[12:41:37] Ляпатяпа: dict((key, []) for key in d.iterkeys())
[12:41:43] mishok13: да, простите
[12:41:47] mishok13: iterkeys
[12:41:49] _lorien: for x in items:
items[x] = []
[12:41:59] py_two: bobry: ну не перегибай:)
[12:41:59] mishok13: это не отменяет вопроса -- что ты делаешь вообще?
[12:42:10] mishok13: зачем тебе чистить словарь?
[12:42:21] py_two: mishok13: шо чисто было
[12:42:24] mishok13: почему defaultdict(list) и d.clear() не подойдет?
[12:42:30] py_two: *шоб чисто было
[12:42:32] mishok13: если у тебя уже такая структура
[12:42:36] mishok13: чисто от чего?
[12:42:41] bobry: py_two, шоб документацию не читать очевидно же :)
[12:42:44] py_two: mishok13: от информации
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[12:42:46] bobry: напиши свой словарь
[12:42:46] mishok13: если тебе нужен чистый словарь, создай новый
[12:43:05] mishok13: d = {} вот так вот например
[12:43:18] py_two: mishok13: да там все в цикле крутиться будет очень емком. Если постоянно его создавать - бахнуться можно
[12:43:33] mishok13: да ты что?
[12:43:44] Typhon: ну конечно, лучше ебануться по нему циклом, ага
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[12:49:51] py_two: mishok13: по скорости ща замеряем
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[12:58:15] gf: py_two результаты огласите, пжлста!
[12:58:27] py_two: не мой вариант: сгенерировано за 0.047 секунд
мой вариант: сгенерировано за 0.078 секунд
[12:58:49] py_two: мой вариант медленнее:)
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[12:59:44] gf: да, это не наш вариант :)
[12:59:58] mishok13: и что там сгенерировано?
[13:00:00] mishok13: чем замерял?
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[13:00:10] Typhon: на мобилке, таймером!
[13:00:16] slav0nic: с surbl/uribl никто не сталиивался? они чтоли только по днс работают...
[13:00:17] mishok13: откинуты ли маргинальные результаты?
[13:00:21] gf: секундомером!
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[13:02:35] mishok13: импорты небось тоже учитываются
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[13:03:05] gf: mishok13 а какая разница, если они и там и там..?
[13:03:27] Typhon: о, я зеда не особо люблю
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[13:03:33] Typhon: но про замеры он чотко писал недавно
[13:03:40] mishok13: не дают судить тебе о такой карактеристике как "во сколько раз быстрее/медленнее"
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[13:03:49] mishok13: это основы вообще прикладной статистики
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[13:03:56] py_two: mishok13: t = time.time() print "сгенерировано за %.2g секунд" % t
[13:04:26] Ляпатяпа: чозабред?
[13:04:30] mishok13: :/
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[13:06:21] downshft: _lorien: привет, помнишь я вчера был с вопросом.. так вот, я начал переименовывать модели, но есть одна проблема: связь manytomanyfield теперь ищет manytomany_field_table_name.NewClassName_id в таблице вместо manytomany_field_table_name.OldClassName_id, хотя db_table в классе заданы, как это можно побороть не подскажешь?
[13:07:13] py_two: т.е
t = time.time()
.....
.....
.....
t = time.time() - t
print "сгенерировано за %.2g секунд" % t
[13:07:26] _lorien: я же говорю, тебе надо не модели переименовать, а приложения :)
[13:07:43] _lorien: а имена моделей старые оставить, это моё мнение такое, мне кажется меньше граблей будет
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[13:08:27] downshft: db_column не помогает :(
[13:08:29] _lorien: и последний самый грязный хак, если вдруг что-то не там ищет, переименуй ручками таблицу :) чтобы джанга удовлетворилась
[13:08:38] xa4a: py_two: какая у тебя погрешность выходит от запуска к запуску?
[13:08:43] downshft: точна, так и сделаю
[13:08:45] py_two: _lorien: * самоудовлетворилась
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[13:09:00] py_two: xa4a: почему погрешность ?
[13:09:13] py_two: xa4a: одинаковой циферки никогда не будет
[13:09:30] gf: py_two вот и скажи, какой разброс в результатах..?
[13:09:37] py_two: ща 10 сгенерю
[13:09:56] mishok13: py_two, ты мат. статистику изучал когда-нибудь, слово "распределение" тебе о чем-то говорит?
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[13:10:17] xa4a: "ща 10 сгенерю" это правильный путь же..
[13:10:38] xa4a: есть линк!
[13:10:49] py_two: разброс небольшой:
сгенерировано за 0.032 секунд
сгенерировано за 0.047 секунд
сгенерировано за 0.047 секунд
сгенерировано за 0.047 секунд
сгенерировано за 0.046 секунд
сгенерировано за 0.047 секунд
сгенерировано за 0.046 секунд
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[13:11:09] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g6jw5/
[13:11:13] bobry: 0.32 / 0.47
[13:11:18] bobry: явно лишний результат же
[13:11:28] py_two: bobry: если брать сотню итераций - то будет мизер погрешность
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[13:11:40] xa4a: сколько из этого времени потрачено на вывод результатов?
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[13:12:00] mishok13: хорошая ссылка
[13:12:01] Typhon: http://zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html
[13:12:08] mishok13: еще одна хорошая ссылка
[13:12:08] py_two: xa4a: ты мне вопрос задаешь ?
[13:12:13] xa4a: да
[13:12:23] xa4a: ты же сам себе не задаёшь его
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[13:12:55] py_two: xa4a: на самом деле можно это оформить в функцию и запускать параметром кол-во loop & target function
[13:13:27] py_two: *target testing function
[13:13:27] xa4a: да, ты движешься в правильном направлении
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[13:13:39] xa4a: и со временем, лет через 5 придумаешь модуль для этого
[13:13:44] xa4a: и захочешь его назвать, скажем..
[13:13:45] _lorien: :D
[13:13:46] xa4a: timeit!
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[13:14:13] Ляпатяпа: плохое название
[13:14:23] Ляпатяпа: такой модуль уже есть в стандартной библиотеке
[13:14:28] Ляпатяпа: лучше mytimeit
[13:14:42] Ляпатяпа: или более pythonic my_time_it
[13:14:57] py_two: xa4a: да я вчера смотрел на сие, но нет времени реализовывать, да и потребности нет особо там оптимизировать. В этом скрипте будут узкие места следующие: двухголовый p3 500
[13:15:09] altego is now online
[13:15:13] py_two: и 512 рам
[13:15:28] Ляпатяпа: сударь, это не узкое место
[13:15:31] Ляпатяпа: это железо
[13:15:44] Typhon: ахха
[13:15:48] xa4a: py_two: "нет времени реализовывать"
[13:15:50] mishok13: адпизды
[13:15:54] py_two: будет работать скрипт 24/7, так что минута туда - минута сюда...:)
[13:15:58] Typhon: "в моём алгоритме узкое место — это железо"
[13:15:59] Typhon: бляя
[13:15:59] xa4a: lfkmit d dthyjv yfghfdktybb ldb;timcz
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[13:16:04] Typhon: !trans
[13:16:06] xa4a: !decode
[13:16:09] xa4a: ыэ
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[13:16:21] py_two: /me фразой угодил всем:)
[13:16:27] xa4a: py_two: ты в верном направлеии движешься
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[13:16:41] xa4a: но ты упускаешь вывод из этого
[13:16:48] py_two: ладно, пошутили и хватит
[13:16:49] mishok13: еще 6 лет высшего образования и ты почти программист
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[13:17:07] py_two: парни, сначала надо приготовить что-то, чтобы работало. А потом можно заняться его оптимизированием
[13:17:27] py_two: mishok13: у меня высшее образованиеъ
[13:17:29] Typhon: это "что-то" мозгами зовётся
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[13:17:57] py_two: ну не перегибай:)
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[13:18:20] Ляпатяпа: ты поди философ или филолог?
[13:18:32] py_two: да я поди уже не знаю кто я
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[13:18:57] Ляпатяпа: да ты поди не знаешь кто ты
[13:19:00] py_two: мурло я
[13:19:01] py_two: :)
[13:19:14] py_two: мурло самое натуральное я
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[13:20:22] xa4a: py_two: import timeit вместо приготовления своих велосипедов, которые не работают
[13:20:50] py_two: xa4a: как прийдет время - я его заюзаю
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[13:21:04] py_two: пока что - это мне не особо нужно, а потестить цикл - самое оно
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[13:21:42] Typhon: ты не тестишь цикл
[13:21:47] Typhon: ты байтоёбствуешь
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[13:23:09] py_two: египетская сила!
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[13:23:56] bytoIOb: как-то так
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[13:24:25] bytoI0b: вот мне и ник срисовался:)
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[13:29:35] Ляпатяпа: по русски напиши
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[13:32:45] cutwater: обоги
[13:32:49] cutwater: я пропустил такой срачик
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[13:34:18] webninja: =(
[13:34:33] webninja: а куда piranha делся?
[13:34:47] webninja: пропал! мистика
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[13:37:07] xa4a: в жабере есть
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[13:37:58] Typhon: в pythonnl, очевидно %)
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[13:45:03] bytoI0b: хотел спросить совета. Есть допустим подготовленный файл с информацией. При запуске скрипта этот файл парсится и формируется в памяти словарь. Потом делается цикл членства какой-то информации в этом словаре
[13:45:11] bytoI0b: вообще словарей и файлов с десяток
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[13:45:24] bytoI0b: одни из них 1мб, другие от 50-до 300мб
[13:45:32] cutwater: "цикл членства"....
[13:45:44] bytoI0b: сижу мониторю скорость поиска соответствий в словарях
[13:45:55] bytoI0b: естественно в мелких словарях поиск производится быстрее
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[13:46:21] gf: в член пипен, в член чечен, в плен к чеченцам..
[13:46:37] cutwater: ну тут понос мозга у человека
[13:46:40] bytoI0b: вопрос таков: рационально было бы большие словари сегментировать на более мелкие и зациклить не один а 10 циклов отдельный с проверками на идеинтичность
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[13:47:08] cutwater: bytoI0b: рационально было бы использовать базу данных в зависимости от того что тебе надо с этими данными делать
[13:47:16] bytoI0b: гг:)
[13:47:50] cutwater: bytoI0b: чтобы спросить совета надо сначала задать вопрос.
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[13:47:59] bytoI0b: вопрос выше
[13:48:03] cutwater: мне решительно непонятно что за данные и что ты с ними делаешь
[13:48:14] cutwater: bytoI0b: ты видишь выше хоть один знак вопроса?????
[13:48:22] bytoI0b: вопрос таков: рационально было бы большие словари сегментировать на более мелкие и зациклить не один а 10 циклов отдельный с проверками на идеинтичность
[13:48:22] cutwater: bytoI0b: держи в подарок. пользуйся. ????????????????
[13:48:49] bytoI0b: вопрос таков: рационально было бы большие словари сегментировать на более мелкие и зациклить не один а 10 циклов отдельный с проверками на идеинтичность ????????????????
[13:48:52] cutwater: >>>>> циклов отдельный с проверками на идеинтичность
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[13:49:07] cutwater: только я один не понимаю что ты пытаешься с этими данными сделать?
[13:49:22] cutwater: bytoI0b: их вообще надо по одному за раз использовать. а ты сразу все потратил.
[13:49:25] bytoI0b: информация поступает из цикла, я сверяю информацию в ключах словарей
[13:49:35] bytoI0b: cutwater:ахахах:)
[13:49:39] Ляпатяпа: объясни задачу
[13:49:57] cutwater: Ляпатяпа: > информация поступает из цикла, я сверяю информацию в ключах словарей
ну чем не объяснение?
[13:50:01] cutwater: :-D
[13:50:04] Ляпатяпа: это твое решение, а не задача. и решение неправильное
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[13:50:21] bytoI0b: ща набросаю кодеса три строки
[13:50:31] cutwater: убицо
[13:50:51] cutwater: bytoI0b: еще раз вопрос. внимание. сосредоточился. описал решаемую задачу
[13:50:56] cutwater: а не способ решения
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[13:51:22] cutwater: какие данные на входе, как их нужно обработать, что получить в результате
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[13:53:10] bytoI0b: вот такой цикл:
dict = {"a":[1,2,3]}
for y in file:
for x in dict:
if x == y:
print "дат"
else:
print "нэт
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[13:54:20] cutwater: я бы сказал.... но это чувствую бесполезно
[13:54:58] bytoI0b: cutwater: что уже не так ?
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[13:55:18] cutwater: bytoI0b: где из всего того что ты сегодня сказал "описание задачи"?
[13:55:56] bytoI0b: ну выше я сказал, что dict собирается из файла
[13:56:04] bytoI0b: файл 300мб
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[13:56:23] bytoI0b: вопрос таков: рационально было бы большие словари сегментировать на более мелкие и зациклить не один а 10 циклов отдельный с проверками на идеинтичность
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[13:56:52] bytoI0b: т.е разбить dict на dict1...dictN и сделать N циклов в которых будет проверка
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[13:57:13] bytoI0b: вот я и спросил будет быстрее или нет ????????????????
[13:57:14] bytoI0b: ;)
[13:57:42] cutwater: правильно говорят на "задолбали" с идиотами надо общаться прямо отвечая на поставленные вопросы.
[13:57:45] cutwater: bytoI0b: не рационально.
[13:57:47] cutwater: свободен.
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[13:58:15] bytoI0b: cutwater: а если я проверю и дам потом в жалобную книгу запишу ?
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[13:58:53] bytoI0b: в оригинале должно было быть: и дам песды. Но решил переделать, так что прошу извинить за очепятку в предложении
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[13:59:14] bytoI0b: cutwater: видишь какой я дипломатичный;)
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[14:04:30] gigimon: хм, если мне память неизменяет, bytoI0b ты уже не первый день со своим файлом и диктом троллишь, да?
[14:04:45] bytoI0b: таки да
[14:04:57] cutwater: что как бы намекает
[14:05:14] bytoI0b: намекает на то, что ты делаешь скоропостижные выводы
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[14:05:16] bytoI0b: не более
[14:05:25] gigimon: намекает на то, что ты всех зае на эту тему :)
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[14:06:04] bytoI0b: gigimon: а вы меня зае за свою джангу и что ?
джанга бебебе то, джанга бебебе это. А вот в комон-джанга бебебе вот это!:)
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[14:06:22] gigimon: О_о да когда тут про джангу последний раз говорили та?)
[14:06:23] bytoI0b: я же не плакаюсь, и вы будте мужиками
[14:06:48] cutwater: дайте админа. я его забаню. пазязя.
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[14:07:39] gigimon: :))))
[14:07:40] bytoI0b: cutwater: вот поэтому у тебя и нет админа, чтобы ты таких товарищей как я не банил :Р
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[14:08:23] cutwater: bytoI0b: ты не уточнил. у меня именно в этой конфочке нет админа.
[14:08:42] bytoI0b: cutwater: радостно мне
[14:08:50] bytoI0b: что на этой таки нет у тебя админа
[14:08:54] cutwater: в других бы уже давно отправили бы в пешее эротическое путешествие.
[14:08:58] bytoI0b: а на остальных как бе и не сижу;)
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[14:09:31] cutwater: bytoI0b: каг бэ тебе тут никто не поможет. потому что ты банально не хочешь чтобы тебе помогли.
[14:09:38] bytoI0b: как бе не надо слов
[14:09:41] cutwater: опиши задачу.
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[14:10:27] bytoI0b: cutwater: ладно, я на досуге попробую часть кода переписать, сегментировать словари и с помощью TIMEIT проверить скорость работы
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[14:10:36] bytoI0b: потом отпишусь как все прошло
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[14:11:26] cutwater: разумеется. зачем слушать других, будем гнуть свою линию. bytoI0b твое решение со словарями вообще не оптимально. но дак кто ж тебе доктор.
[14:11:47] Typhon: энциклопедическая справка — lookup в хэш-таблице имеет сложность O(n)
[14:11:51] Typhon: o(1)
[14:11:55] Typhon: блиа
[14:11:58] Typhon: O(1)
[14:11:59] Typhon: $)
[14:12:12] cutwater: Typhon: ты забываешь это в идеальом случае
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[14:14:54] bytoI0b: я рад, что я начал изучать питон
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[14:15:13] cutwater: Typhon: в худшем случае имеем O(n)
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[14:15:44] cutwater: дык вот вопрос в том что на таком не маленьком объеме данных как у нашего пациента. как поведет себя стандартная реализация dict
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[14:18:41] bytoI0b: вот я и говорю было бы целесообразно поступить так: взять замерять сколько прогоняется по одному большому словарю. большой словарь разбить на 20 мелких и сделать 20 циклов. Посчитать время. Если будет быстрее - то сегментировать их на 100-200 словарей
[14:18:45] Typhon: O(n) -> это штоле если произошла коллизия всех хэшей ключей? %)
[14:19:04] Typhon: bytoI0b: а можно Кормена читнуть
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[14:19:24] gigimon: кормен есть на русском?
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[14:19:50] bytoI0b: у меня 677 кб словарь прогоняется за: сгенерировано за 139 секунд
[14:20:15] Typhon: gigimon: есть, 2 издание точно
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[14:20:20] bytoI0b: путем нехитрых вычислений получаем временную единицу, за которую прогонится файл словаря на 300мб
[14:20:21] Typhon: 3 переводили вроде
[14:20:36] gigimon: Typhon: название не подскажешь?
[14:20:49] bytoI0b: у меня 600мб книг по питону
[14:20:57] cutwater: bytoI0b: это книга не по питону
[14:20:57] gigimon: и че
[14:20:59] bytoI0b: 95% на английском правда
[14:20:59] Typhon: bytoI0b: твои цифры — это хуита, потому что ты проёбывал занятия по матстату, метрологии и физике
[14:21:07] gigimon: ))
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[14:21:13] cutwater: Typhon: вот я щас и читаю реализацию питоних словарей
[14:21:30] Typhon: gigimon: Introduction to Algorithms
[14:21:32] gigimon: /me читает вообще про алгоритмы
[14:21:36] gigimon: Typhon: спс
[14:21:44] bytoI0b: Typhon: надо почитать мат анализа, вспомнить что там да как
[14:21:44] Typhon: "введение в алгоритмы" в переводе, кажется
[14:21:52] Typhon: матанализ то причём тут?
[14:21:57] Typhon: оставь его лейбницу
[14:22:08] gigimon: я щас это: ДЖ. МАККОНЕЛЛ
Основы современных алгоритмов
[14:22:10] gigimon: читаю
[14:22:15] cutwater: Typhon: потому что алгоритм одно а его конкретная реализация немного другое
[14:22:15] bytoI0b: молодец:)
[14:22:29] bytoI0b: gigimon: дома солью - полистаю
[14:22:52] gigimon: bytoI0b: ну, я как-бы в общем, может кто читал, скажет что не стоит)
[14:23:00] gigimon: хотя вроде тут ее и рекомендовал кто-то
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[14:32:26] cutwater: bytoI0b: дык вот бить словарь не нужно.
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[14:37:50] bytoI0b: cutwater: раз уж начал - договаривай
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[14:39:46] cutwater: bytoI0b: ну ты почитай как реализован hash table и конкретно в питоне тоже. в среднем случае доступ за O(1) у тебя от количества элеметов будет только расти "массив" хешей.
[14:39:56] cutwater: если конечно коллизий не будет
[14:40:21] cutwater: bytoI0b: поэтому если ты разобъешь его на несколько только проиграешь во времени поиска
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[14:40:38] bytoI0b: cutwater: направление понял. Спасибо, почитаю
[14:40:40] cutwater: другой вопрос в том правилен ли вообще твой алгоритм и нельзя ли сделать то что ты хочешь более разумным способом.
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[14:44:04] Typhon: bytoI0b: натурально, cutwater дело говорит, ты бы рассказал общую картинку
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[14:44:14] Typhon: и люди тебе бы дали направление куда копать
[14:44:17] bytoI0b: cutwater: показать к сожелению не могу:)
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[14:50:02] bytoI0b: !h list comprehensions
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[14:50:10] bytoI0b: .h list comprehensions
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[14:50:17] bytoI0b: да, без интернета плохо
[14:50:19] gf: http://img.kiwibird.ru/images/dd464f305d7992d03c44fa784dc71269.jpg
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[14:51:42] bytoI0b: есть число n, нужно сформировать список [1,2,...,n]
[14:51:50] bytoI0b: в книгах нет ничего:)
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[14:52:05] bytoI0b: за неимением тырнета прошу помощи:)
[14:52:36] cutwater: range(n+1)
[14:52:47] bytoI0b: спасиб
[14:53:03] cutwater: казалось бы при чем тут list comrehensions
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[14:59:41] gigimon: bytoI0b: а как ты тут без интернета сидишь?
[14:59:46] bytoI0b: в книге рядом с генерацией списка было это выражение
[15:00:06] bytoI0b: gigimon: жаба внешняя открыта
[15:00:20] gigimon: юзай ppp over xmpp)
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[15:00:27] gigimon: кто-то пилил такое
[15:00:32] gigimon: ну или странички через xmpp
[15:00:53] bytoI0b: gigimon: да интернет еще к тому же отвлекает сильно
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[15:06:11] gigimon: отвлекает...
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[15:06:15] gigimon: а тут не отвлекает? :)
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[15:12:07] Jeiz: простите за совсем нубский вопрос. Как переводить число x из двоичной системы в десятичную?
[15:12:31] Typhon: int(num, base)
[15:12:34] Typhon: base
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[15:13:41] Jeiz: не работает
[15:14:04] bobry: >>> int("11", 2)
3
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[15:15:04] Jeiz: а это я затупил, всё работает
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[15:27:27] bytoI0b: списки не позволяют работать примерно так ?
choice = ["aaa","bbb","ccc"]
for x in choice:
choice[x] = 1
print choice
[15:27:35] bytoI0b: как со словарями:)
[15:27:44] bytoI0b: *как с ключами словарей:)
[15:28:00] cutwater: нет конечно
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[15:28:04] bytoI0b: плохо:)
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[15:28:28] cutwater: bytoI0b: а зачем тебе?
[15:28:35] cutwater: быть может тебе нужен OrderedDict?
[15:28:48] bytoI0b: прийдется так лепить:
counter = 0
choice = ["aaa","bbb","ccc"]
for x in choice:
choice[counter] = 1
counter += 1
print choice
[15:29:07] cutwater: ШТО ЗА ХРЕНЬ
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[15:29:37] bytoI0b: сишный кодер детектед ?:)
[15:29:57] cutwater: bytoI0b: что ты сделать пытаешься я не пойму
[15:30:22] bytoI0b: уже все понял как сделать
[15:30:24] bytoI0b: пасибо:)
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[15:32:25] bytoI0b: вижу всех так заинтересовало, что я там такое леплю:)
[15:32:34] bytoI0b: Typhon: ок, дома погуглю
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[15:32:55] Typhon: да не надо блядь ничего гуглить
[15:33:00] Typhon: надо доки хоть разок читнуть
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[15:33:08] bytoI0b: единственное могу сказать, что этот скрипт не будет завязан на дджжааннггоо:)
[15:33:13] cutwater: Typhon: я просто не понял код им написанный выше.
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[15:33:30] Typhon: надмозг, гг
[15:33:30] bytoI0b: Typhon: я в курсе, что можно вывести док по этому через питон, просто гуглить проще по экзамплам
[15:33:55] bytoI0b: Typhon: ах ты ж:)
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[15:35:21] cutwater: bytoI0b: ну просто твой код выше заменяет все элементы в списке на 1
[15:35:25] cutwater: вопрос зачем?
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[15:35:43] Typhon: там должен быть дикт, видимо
[15:35:52] Typhon: для подсчёта совпадений
[15:35:58] bytoI0b: Typhon: долго список в дикт перестраивать
[15:35:58] cutwater: видимо
[15:36:05] bytoI0b: легче ввести индекс
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[15:41:32] xa4a: [1 for _ in lst] ?
[15:41:35] xa4a: lst = [1 for _ in lst] ?
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[15:55:16] Jeiz: а что вы скажете об этом коде? http://dumpz.org/43104/ inb4: говно. То, что говно я и так знаю
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[15:56:53] bobry: a, b, c= map(int, f)
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[15:57:28] bobry: и почему while True интересно
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[16:03:35] Jeiz: А всё понял ошибку, цикл там не нужен
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[17:45:33] огыешсук: Konstantin Rudenkov: а как очень срочная задача попала не проф программисту? Детей обычно ж берегут везде и от стрессов ограждают.
[17:45:43] огыешсук: py_two: выговориться, очевидно
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[17:46:01] cutwater: ну да зашел.... выговорился. полегчало. вышел
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[17:48:24] cutwater: я даже идиотом никого не обозвал. а вы чуть что так сразу наезд ну
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[19:28:16] _lorien: http://wordstat.yandex.ru/?cmd=words&page=1&text=python&geo=&text_geo= - интересно, что такое python v и python 5 :)
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[19:32:08] Jff: perl 5 python -v :)
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[19:32:38] Jff: он дефис режет вроде
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[19:33:25] _lorien: просто там видно в результат ещё python 2.5 - это отдельный запрос, значит точку яндекс нормально обрабатывает, а что тогда вводят python 2 5 шо ле
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[19:34:02] _lorien: http://wordstat.yandex.ru/?cmd=words&page=1&ts=1300988020&key=f3b53f56f7675e8c05d424a306fd3f80&text=python%20v - что за v в принципе я понял
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[19:34:48] _lorien: http://wordstat.yandex.ru/?cmd=words&page=1&ts=1300988044&key=4c1777f99b5c2997b6955d896b5fef1f&text=python%205 - вот только не пойму очему вводят python 2.6 5 - почему пробел между 6 и 5, а не точка )
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[19:35:50] Jff: да там вообще у них всё странно
[19:35:58] Jff: плюсики уже 100 лет не могут убрать
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[20:32:15] py_two: есть две вложенные for
[20:33:06] py_two: for x in blablabla:
y = x
for yy in blablabla1:
print "x == %s" % x,"y == %s" % y

output: NULL
[20:33:24] py_two: понятно, что для первого цикла фор y & x локальны
[20:33:34] py_two: как передать во второй фор значения x & y ?
[20:33:52] gigimon: чего?
[20:33:59] py_two: не делать же для этого функцию и передавтаь параметрами
[20:34:17] gigimon: ты принт сделай такой: print "x== %s \n y== %s" % (x, y)
[20:34:33] gigimon: и зачем y=x
[20:34:38] cutwater: коэфициент неадеквата повышается
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[20:35:48] gigimon: cutwater: скажи мне, разве область видимости по for применяется? разве не в более высоком смысле она проявляется, типа функции, классы, модули?
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[20:35:57] cutwater: нет
[20:35:59] gigimon: оба for в 1 же области. не?
[20:36:03] cutwater: угу
[20:36:15] gigimon: значит я не полный дурак и правильно помню)
[20:36:17] cutwater: это в плюсцах видимость в пределах блока же
[20:36:20] gigimon: а то уж думал упустил чего)
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[20:36:48] cutwater: я вообще не пойму что за херь он хочет
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[20:39:02] gigimon: хз
[20:39:09] gigimon: ему туториал надо прочитать
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[20:40:46] py_two: вот:
for x in blablabla:
y = x
for yy in blablabla1:
print "x == %s" % x,"y == %s" % y
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[20:40:57] py_two: в итоге ноль на массу
[20:41:22] py_two: если переставить принт там, где y = x, то все впорядке
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[20:41:44] py_two: да ясно что в другом блоке она всё, дохлая
[20:42:01] py_two: так как мне ее определить, чтобы я мог во второй фор ее видеть ?
[20:42:12] gigimon: ты ее и так там видишь..
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[20:43:33] gigimon: py_two: http://dpaste.org/yxvo/
[20:43:37] gigimon: что я делаю не так
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[20:46:14] cutwater: gigimon: http://ideone.com/7XFoE
[20:46:18] cutwater: так наглядней
[20:46:25] cutwater: нахера делать y = x объясните темному?
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[20:47:13] py_two: x=5,y=5
x=5,y=5
x=5,y=5
x=5,y=5
[20:47:13] cutwater: py_two: вопрос. что же у тебя таки не получается?
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[20:47:19] cutwater: py_two: ну и?
[20:47:25] cutwater: код работает верно. так как y = x
[20:47:30] cutwater: а ты что ожидал?
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[20:48:05] cutwater: py_two: проблема в чем?
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[20:51:11] py_two: cutwater: думаю просто весь день кодить противопоказано
[20:51:27] cutwater: py_two: думаю надо учиться думать головой... и читать документацию.
[20:51:29] py_two: сегодня наверное 2-3к напечатал помимо работы основной
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[20:52:59] py_two: уже заипался все писать да переписывать.
[20:53:13] cutwater: правильно. сначала надо почитать и подумать
[20:53:22] cutwater: 2-3к кода я могу от балды и так написать...
[20:53:25] cutwater: а чтобы сразу и хорошо
[20:53:31] py_two: ладно, прошу извинить меня. Я сегодня лучше уйду. Пойду там вывью чая и спать
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[20:53:54] cutwater: :-)
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[23:48:03] nwalker: доброго времени суток.
[23:49:34] nwalker: не подскажете, а есть где-то уже записанное руководство по уложению социального графа в rdbms с использованием джанго?
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[23:51:29] nwalker: а то у меня вопросы "как будет лучше", и мне не хочется их задавать, если где-нибудь уже расписаны плюсы/минусы разных вариантов.
[23:51:52] Typhon: под "социальный граф" ты имеешь в виду social graph api и его результаты или _просто_ _обычный_ _граф_ ?
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[23:53:30] Tony: nwalker, что значит уложению? визуализация?
[23:54:04] nwalker: просто хранение.
[23:54:29] gigimon: nwalker: была где-то презентация на счет хранения соц графа в sql...
[23:54:38] Typhon: http://www.slideshare.net/quipo/rdbms-in-the-social-networks-age
[23:54:40] Typhon: вот она %)
[23:54:49] gigimon: именно)
[23:54:50] Typhon: но что соц, что обычный хранятся просто from, to
[23:55:09] gigimon: а я решил хранить в nosql %)
[23:55:27] gigimon: это как-то проще
[23:55:43] Typhon: в какой?
[23:55:48] nwalker: Typhon, вот мне как раз интересно, как эти from-to лучше оформить в джанго.
[23:55:50] Tony: nwalker, gigimon дело говорит
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[23:56:02] gigimon: Typhon: ну пока у меня простое, поэтому редиски с головой хватает
[23:56:04] Tony: nwalker, django немного не для этого.
[23:56:17] gigimon: но думаю перейти на монго из-за надежности
[23:56:22] gigimon: хотя редис не подводил еще
[23:56:23] Typhon: nwalker, from -- id, to foreignkey на себя
[23:56:24] Tony: nwalker, потому я бы на твоем месте подумал нужна ли джанга ради джанги в данный момент.
[23:56:25] Typhon: что не так?
[23:56:37] Typhon: gigimon, "монго" -- "из-за надёжности" -- хммхмхмх
[23:56:50] gigimon: Typhon: ну, в монго говорят клевая репликация и т.п.
[23:57:01] gigimon: хотя вроде в редисе тоже есть, еще не смотрел в эту сторону
[23:57:07] gigimon: пока только мои же догадки)
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[23:57:14] nwalker: джанга мне не помешает, потому что в ней много всяких полезных вещей уже готово. а время очень жмет.
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[23:57:34] gigimon: nwalker: есть апликуха на основе либы
[23:57:36] gigimon: mptt
[23:57:42] gigimon: хранение деревьев
[23:57:49] gigimon: работы с ними*
[23:58:15] Typhon: xa4a, ты балконный сервер убил вместе с логами :( :( :(
[23:58:36] Tony: nwalker, что-то подсказывает что половину вещей придется выкинуть или переписать.
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[23:58:48] Tony: ибо django не под то.
[23:58:49] nwalker: знаю такое. в ней инсерты медленные и вообще, я не деревья хранить собираюсь.
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[23:59:26] Typhon: дерево это граф, ВНЕЗАПНО!
[23:59:32] gigimon: ога
[23:59:36] Typhon: констрейнты все отключи, будут быстрые, гг
[23:59:46] Typhon: майскул так и живут %)