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[10:40:56] runfik: привет всем
[10:42:06] runfik: подскажите про шифрование "квадрат полибия"
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[10:49:59] runfik: ping
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[11:01:08] Magister Yoda: привет всем. в чём разница между
$(document).ready(function(){$("body").removeClass("nojs");});
и
$(document).ready($("body").removeClass("nojs"));
?
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[11:07:03] runfik: И тишинаа )
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[11:12:09] Magister Yoda: есть кто-нить под win7x64?
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[11:36:36] xa4a: runfik: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%8F
[11:37:01] xa4a: Magister Yoda: во втором случае работать не будет
[11:37:03] xa4a: как ты хочешь
[11:37:10] xa4a: т.к. действие выолнится сразу
[11:37:15] xa4a: почитай ман по JS
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[11:47:48] maxp: Magister Yoda: там функция передается, которая потом вызывается
[11:48:19] maxp: короткий вариант $( function() { ... } )
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[11:48:32] Magister Yoda: я уже ушел от этого. решил перейти на html5boilerplate
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[11:48:52] maxp: такие вещи лучше понимать
[11:49:05] maxp: только ман надо больше не по js а по jQuery
[11:49:18] maxp: а зачем тебе nojs ?
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[11:55:32] py_two: maxp: та наверное, когда гугл шагает на сайтег, то нужно js срочно отключать ибо беда будет
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[11:55:58] py_two: яндекс научился js скрипты обрабатывать или нет ?
[11:56:16] maxp: что за проблема с гуглем и js?
[11:56:54] maxp: и как с этим соотносится .removeClass("nojs") ?
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[12:05:13] kiR: Всем привет, есть такой вопрос, как в sqlalchemy при декларативном подходе сделать наследование в моделям(т.е абстрактные модели)
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[12:59:08] runfik: :)
[12:59:48] runfik: а как именно квадрат полибия запрограммировать на языке с++
[13:00:03] runfik: ой на питоне
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[13:01:05] runfik: пробовал так http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=10809
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[13:02:29] maxp: что за кватдрат-то?
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[13:02:38] maxp: это такой с дырочками?
[13:02:47] maxp: а которых буковки вписывают
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[13:04:05] Typhon: runfik, какой ответ ты ожидаешь на вопрос типа "как запрограммировать что-либо на чём-либо"? код? тогда лучше начать "у меня есть тз и бюджет, кто готов?"
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[13:04:26] Typhon: если не знаешь как что-то запрограммировать, нужно почитать книги, туториалы, потом начать писать
[13:04:33] Typhon: и спрашивать про конкретные затыки или вопросы
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[13:04:59] runfik: понятно.
[13:05:00] Typhon: а пока что ты выглядишь ленивым хуйком студентом, кто зачем-то пошёл учиться на инженера, но будет только позорить профессию
[13:05:02] Typhon: ;-)
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[13:09:58] xa4a: maxp: то решётка кардано
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[13:12:58] maxp: "да хоть горшком ..." :)
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[13:14:24] runfik: а всетаки почемуже неработает кодик?
[13:16:07] tilarids: потому что ты его не написал
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[13:16:41] runfik: :-|
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[13:18:41] maxp: runfik: так суть вопроса можешь сформулировать?
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[13:20:46] runfik: maxp яж формулировал суть как подправить http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=10809 этот-бы он спрашивал пользователя кодируемое слово а программа ево кодировала цыфрами.
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[13:25:16] maxp: фигня там какая-то
[13:25:35] maxp: здесь словами можешь рассказать постановку задачи?
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[13:28:15] runfik: задача нужно написать алгоритм шифрования Квадрат_Полибия что бы программа делала кодировала ABCD A-11, B-12, C-13 и тд.
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[13:29:00] runfik: в том коде есть матрица цисел массив двумерный
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[13:29:13] maxp: я не знаю что ща Полибий такой
[13:29:15] Thunde®: написал скрипт, потом установил питон на вынь, попдравил под неё, работает...
попробовал создать exe с помощью py2exe, скомпилился exe, однако даже при наличие всего окружения Python27.dll и куча файлов, которую создал py2exe, исполняемый файл ругается на отсутствие какихто модулей, название которых мне ни о чём не говорит, как скомпилить exe, в котором всё будет, чтобы на любой винде заробило?
[13:29:26] maxp: ты алгоритм можешь объяснить?
[13:29:55] maxp: на входе то-то, на выходе то-то
[13:30:26] Thunde®: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%8F
[13:30:39] Thunde®: а как компилить то для винды, кто-нить подскажите...
[13:31:07] runfik: на входе должны быть слово
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[13:31:43] Typhon: Thunde®, никто не компилит ничего, ага. а так py2exe должен паковать всё ок. показал бы ошибку, что а модули отсутствуют.
[13:31:46] runfik: на выходе закодированное слово уже в цифрах (столбец строка как игра морской бой)
[13:32:33] Typhon: runfik, какая религия мешает тебе открыть свой любимый редактор и начать писать код?
[13:32:42] maxp: как осуществляется соответствие?
[13:32:44] Thunde®: да этот py2exe созда файлик 21 кб всего, когда у мну там должно быть пару метров либы lxml...
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[13:33:44] maxp: квадрат заполнен буквами и надо для каждой входной буквы найти соответствующую клетку?
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[13:33:58] runfik: да
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[13:34:04] maxp: и в чем проблема?
[13:34:05] Typhon: Thunde®, py2exe, по умолчанию, делает маленький екзешник и вокруг либы и прочие файлы. их тоже надо на target систему пихать.
[13:34:05] Thunde®: runfik, у тебя задача не сложная... просто список символов...
делим на число столбцов квадрата, целое число - столбец, остаток - строка
вот и всё, думаю суть понял а дальше дело техники...
[13:34:23] Thunde®: Typhon, как заставить его все в exe?
[13:34:46] Typhon: Thunde®, посмотри доки, та ключ был какой-то, в один файл всё пихать. я не помню :-)
[13:34:56] Thunde®: ясно, найду)
[13:35:00] runfik: все должно быть в цикле ?
[13:35:06] xa4a: http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/SingleFileExecutable
[13:35:07] maxp: что все?
[13:35:09] Thunde®: ну типа да
[13:35:22] runfik: ну первую букву закодировал цикл вторую
[13:35:30] maxp: ну можно и так
[13:35:34] Thunde®: for symbol in phrase :
[13:35:39] maxp: как-то все-равно недо перебирать
[13:36:14] Thunde®: xa4a, пасиб, читаю
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[13:36:48] xa4a: кто-то пользует blogger? как там сои посты удалять? :)
[13:37:10] xa4a: а, нашёл..
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[13:46:42] suvor-07: Народ подскажите как можно заменить пробелы в именах файлов на _
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[13:50:39] Thunde®: народ, а может кто-нить, кто пишет на питоне для винды скомпилить мне exe, а то мне винда до одного места, но тут чуваку надо чтоб был exe... скрипт простой: python2, import lxml.etree math glob
[13:50:59] runfik: бузу искать как делать матрицы на python .
[13:51:17] Thunde®: зачем тебе матрица? тебе вектора хватит, т.е. простой список
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[13:51:32] tilarids: ему str хватит
[13:51:41] Typhon: или сварочного аппарата
[13:51:43] Thunde®: тем более, угу, хватит)))
[13:52:14] tilarids: у него же задача - однострочник. Но мы ему не будем давать решения, полезней, чтобы он сам его нашел
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[13:53:40] Thunde®: ну алгоритм принципиальный уже был озвучен...
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[13:53:57] Thunde®: http://pastebin.com/s58K8wF6
скомпильте exe кто умеет, блин)))
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[13:55:55] Thunde®: http://pastebin.com/7aMCDfA2
вот тут с \r\n для винды, блин, вот лажа с компиляцией питона то...
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[13:56:25] Typhon: нету никакой лажи
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[13:56:29] Typhon: потому что питон не компилируется
[13:56:40] Typhon: (ну кроме как в байт код, но мы это опустим).
[13:56:50] tilarids: а как же JIT?
[13:57:03] gigimon: он есть в cpython?
[13:57:35] Typhon: pypy, его тоже опустим :-)
[13:57:42] tilarids: CPython лишь одна из реализаций. И вроде же unladen swallow собирались вливать, я как-то перестал следить
[13:57:51] gigimon: ну собирались...)
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[13:57:57] tilarids: если вольют, тогда в CPython будет JIT
[13:58:08] tilarids: мы напьемся и выйдем на улицы купаться в фонтанах
[13:58:42] runfik: вот еще есть одна интересная задачка реализация алгоритма шифрования Цезаря. (есть буква А смещаем ее на три символа будет буква D)
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[13:59:16] maxp: runfik: что интересного-то?
[13:59:21] maxp: тривиальные задачки
[13:59:52] runfik: ну тоже похожая задачка.
[13:59:52] Typhon: они даже на хаскеле решаются, который как известно, не пригоден для программирования.
[14:00:06] gigimon: runfik: возьми что посложнее
[14:00:11] Thunde®: runfik, это задача вообще скучная, про квадрат прикольнее...
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[14:04:11] runfik: кому интересно посмотреть задачи вот http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3796329/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%20%D0%9F%D0%BE%20%D0%9A%D1%81%202010.pdf (Страница 37)
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[14:04:34] gigimon: runfik: почему взял алгоритмы шифрования?
[14:04:53] runfik: У меня лаба такая
[14:06:27] VeNOm: День добрый. Появилась необходимость установить opencv2.2 на python2.7 под win7 x64
Для установки скопировал файлы cv.lib cv.pyd из C:\OpenCV2.2\Python2.7\Lib\site-packages в C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages
при import cv
пишет ImportError: DLL load failed: %1 не является приложением Win32.
В чем проблема?
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[14:10:12] Thunde®: Import Error: No module named _elementpath
о чём нить говорит? просто скрипт работает, а скомпиленный exe даёт такую ошибку...
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[14:11:30] gigimon: нету модуля
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[14:13:24] tilarids: VeNOm, ты opencv из исходников собери
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[14:13:59] Thunde®: gigimon, это я вижу, но почему его нет? если скрипт работает, а exe нет, как его пнуть, чтобы в exe было?
[14:14:11] gigimon: незнаю, я не юзал py2exe)
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[14:14:21] Thunde®: да это вообще гадость какая-то...
[14:15:25] Thunde®: пробую в setup.py запихать опции для сборки, на "_elementpath", ругается...
[14:15:56] Thunde®: да и откуда такой модуль взялся, я его в скрипте нигде не импортировал
[14:16:25] VeNOm: tilarids: setup.py build
setup.py install
так?
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[14:18:04] tilarids: VeNOm, не знаю, как это отработает в альтернативной ОСи(каким образом он найдет нужный компилятор и собирается ли э)
[14:18:19] tilarids: *собирается ли эта либка студией или нужно ставить mingw
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[14:19:28] VeNOm: вот почему в винде нельзя sudo apt-get install python-opencv :(
[14:20:35] tilarids: VeNOm, можно поставить gentoo-prefix, а потом emerge opencv
[14:21:18] tilarids: но установка gentoo-prefix и сборка в нем софта - это отдельный очень интересный квест
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[14:22:48] runfik: \m/
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[14:30:05] runfik: matrix = [['a','b','c','d','e'], ['f','g','h','i','k'], ['l','m','n','o','p'], ['q','r','s','t','u'], ['v','w','x','y','z']]
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[14:35:22] xa4a: Thunde®: положи рядом _elementpath.dll
[14:35:36] wiz: runfik, matrix = 'abcde', 'fghik', 'lmnop', 'qrstu' q:
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[14:36:02] Thunde®: xa4a, а где его взять? и как таки сделать один ехе?
[14:36:30] xa4a: Thunde®: import elementtree; print elementtree.__file__
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[14:36:43] xa4a: ну или c _
[14:36:49] runfik: wiz что-ты ты имел ввиду )
[14:36:57] Thunde®: что есть c_&
[14:37:35] xa4a: _elementtree
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[14:39:25] Plenfiq: Здравствуйте. Есть предложения, как распарсить вот такие строки? http://pastebin.com/Xj7xRHWi То есть нужно вытащить текст из тегов, но так, чтобы то, что в ", ', ''', """, не воспринималось за конец тега.
[14:39:41] xa4a: да, есть предложение
[14:39:43] xa4a: регуляркой
[14:40:01] Plenfiq: я пытался, но не смог сообразить как её составить
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[14:42:10] gf: здесь без магии re не обойтись..
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[14:47:06] xa4a: Plenfiq: In [29]: print re.search(r"<%((?:(['\"])[^\2]+\2|.(?!%>))+)", "<% print 'TEST1%>' %>", re.S).group(1)
print 'TEST1%>'
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[14:47:56] xa4a: это если ты не хочешь экранированные кавычки внутри обычных обрабатывать
[14:48:09] xa4a: но за то это работает и с ' и с "
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[14:53:26] xa4a: даже можно убрать (?: и одну из пары закрывающих скобок, которые подряд
[14:53:38] xa4a: нте, нельзя
[14:54:20] Plenfiq: хм, спасибо.
а как быть с ''' и """?
в этих тегах будет питоновский код просто.
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[14:56:33] runfik: а как найти строку в матрице списке ?
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[14:59:14] Typhon: !wtf tut
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[14:59:30] Typhon: !wtf tut http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
[14:59:33] Typhon: runfik, http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
[14:59:50] xa4a: Plenfiq: тогда просто читай файл по строкам
[14:59:50] Typhon: xa4a, я вроде добавлял tut уже, шо он не запоминает их чтоле? :-)
[14:59:56] xa4a: !wtf tutorial
[14:59:59] cutwater: runfik: руками
[15:00:02] xa4a: должен запоминать
[15:00:15] Typhon: xa4a, tut хочу. долго писать tutorial :-)
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[15:00:23] Typhon: !wtf RTFM
[15:00:34] xa4a: !wtf list
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[15:02:42] cutwater: runfik: скажи а зачем ты вообще пошел в радиотехнический колледж?
[15:02:57] cutwater: ГСМ же
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[15:03:30] runfik: а ты думаеш там проходят python.
[15:04:00] cutwater: runfik: а зачем выбрал питон?
[15:04:13] runfik: хочу его изучать
[15:04:18] cutwater: так изучай же
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[15:04:45] cutwater: runfik: пока что ты не написал ни единой строчки кода, и спрашиваешь почему не работает то что любезно предоставили тебе из альтруистических побуждений.
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[15:04:47] Plenfiq: xa4a: и регексп этот плохо работает с <% в кавычках
[15:04:54] Typhon: "проходить", гг
[15:05:03] xa4a: Plenfiq: конкретнее
[15:05:07] Typhon: Plenfiq, это вообще свойство регекспов ^_^
[15:05:25] Plenfiq: xa4a: <% print '<%TEST3' %>
[15:05:28] cutwater: Typhon: да это как у нас в экономическом вузе на специальности "экономическая кибернетика" проходят java, .net, C++....
[15:05:54] Typhon: cutwater, должны же виннера изучать"
[15:05:55] Typhon: !
[15:06:15] Typhon: *винера
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[15:06:47] xa4a: Plenfiq: я не представляю о чём ты: print re.search(r"<%((?:(['\"])[^\2]+\2|.(?!%>))+)", "<% print '<%TEST3' %>", re.S).group(1)
print '<%TEST3'
[15:08:17] cutwater: runfik: алсо хочешь интересную задачку7
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[15:08:31] runfik: какую?
[15:09:21] cutwater: вот есть алгоритм цифровой подписи ГОСТ 34.10-2001
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[15:09:26] cutwater: :-D
[15:09:43] cutwater: runfik: реализуй.
[15:09:57] xa4a: !g гост 34.10-2001
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[15:11:42] xa4a: на первый взгляд - просто. пока е открыть ссылку на хеш-функцию ГОСТ Р 34.11-94
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[15:11:51] cutwater: Typhon: кстати да самое интересное что в том же экономическом вузе читается предмет "криптография" на котором изучаются те же шифры цезаря...
[15:11:59] runfik: слишком сложно у нас криптография только начались.
[15:12:27] xa4a: cutwater: об этом должен знать любой человек, хоть немного связанный с CS
[15:12:37] xa4a: а у вас там аж кибернетика
[15:12:45] cutwater: xa4a: но блин... курс криптография - шифр Цезаря... эээээ
[15:13:09] xa4a: это из области общих информатичных знаний
[15:13:10] cutwater: просто когда оно только этим ограничивается это плохо
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[15:13:37] cutwater: когда почти не рассматриваются вообще современные алгоритмы, и хотя бы представление о которых надо иметь
[15:14:06] cutwater: xa4a: кстати на мой взгляд основная сложность таки заключается в реализации операций над эллиптическими кривыми
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[15:14:29] cutwater: а так да ничего военного
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[15:15:52] Plenfiq: сделал считывание построчно, жаль, что лишился возможности однострочного кода
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[15:16:48] cutwater: xa4a: кстати что любопытно на данный момент не существует адекватных вменяемых библиотек для работы с эллиптикой. все кто пишут пишут свои велосипеды внутри.
[15:17:37] xa4a: openssl какой-то?
[15:17:45] cutwater: ну например
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[15:19:42] Plenfiq: А делаю я вот что:
Все наверное знают mod_python для апача, и имеют хоть какое-то представление о php.
mod_python давно не развивается, использую mod_wsgi, пытаюсь сделать некое подобие синтаксиса встраивания в html страницу php.
[15:20:25] cutwater: ЗАЧЕМ
[15:21:08] tilarids: !g pyhp
[15:21:44] cutwater: pyhp o_O
[15:21:47] cutwater: пайхопе
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[15:25:13] Typhon: !g python server pages
[15:25:38] Typhon: Plenfiq, такое никому не нужно, ага.
[15:26:15] cutwater: Plenfiq: поясни кармический смысл этого всео
[15:26:18] cutwater: *го\
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[15:27:31] runfik: :(|)
[15:28:04] cutwater: runfik: что конкретно не выходит?
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[15:28:37] runfik: Да я вообще не знаю питон.
[15:29:19] cutwater: ну так учи
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[15:29:41] cutwater: runfik: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
[15:29:48] runfik: угу
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[15:33:30] runfik: Кстати я недавно заказал книгу http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5730448/ теперь жду когда пришлют.
[15:33:44] runfik: как полезная ?
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[15:34:07] wiz: да, можно кофе на неё ставить
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[15:34:56] cutwater: ну почему же
[15:35:11] cutwater: wiz: если человек не умеет туториалы читать
[15:35:15] cutwater: и с английским плохо
[15:35:17] cutwater: то вполне
[15:35:46] cutwater: у меня предыдущее издание в бумаге стоит. правда не знаю зачем? может действительно под кофе покупал.
[15:36:46] cutwater: runfik: http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_Python_2.6
[15:36:52] runfik: А сами вы как питону учились?
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[15:37:49] cutwater: runfik: брал туториал и читал
[15:37:52] cutwater: брал книгу и читал
[15:37:55] cutwater: брал офдоки и читал
[15:38:08] cutwater: писал код / читал доки / писал код... etc.
[15:38:17] cutwater: runfik: казалось бы что тут сложного?
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[15:48:56] runfik: Из за сколько лет выучили питон
[15:49:26] cutwater: что подразумевать "выучили"
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[15:49:57] cutwater: писать на питоне можно спустя один день прочтения мануала простейшие вещи. если конечно руки не из жопы и знаком это не первый язык.
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[15:53:42] cutwater: runfik: и да можно на "ты"
[15:54:07] cutwater: runfik: с какими языками программирования уже "знаком" ?
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[15:55:17] runfik: у нас в техникуме преподавали Си но там ни чему не научили
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[15:56:14] cutwater: runfik: ну если ты расчитываешь на то что тебя чему-то научат то лучше сразу завязывай с профессией. а так читай хотя бы ту ссылку на викибукс. она вроде адекватная.
[15:56:59] runfik: просто у меня профессия компьютерные сети
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[15:57:47] runfik: и техничекое обслуживение компьютеров
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[16:02:34] _lorien: runfik: лутц хорошая книга
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[16:04:49] wiz: толстая, надолго хватит печку топить
[16:05:28] runfik: 1К;)
[16:05:29] cutwater: ну если для человека который имеет о python и о программировании весьма поверхностное представление то таки да
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[16:15:15] _lorien: почему сразу печь топить? ещё можно жопу подтирать
[16:15:16] _lorien: тоже надолго хватит
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[17:16:01] runfik: :D
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[17:35:18] om1: надо в учебных целях вытянуть инфу с форумов, порядком несколько миллионов постов, тем около 250 000, вопрос, как лучше эти данные в базе хранить, чтобы потом легко можно было вытянуть содержимое одной темы?
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[17:36:02] om1: и я так понимаю, что питоновский скульлайт не подойдет, нужен мускул?
[17:36:13] cutwater: om1: так же как бы ты их хранил когда ты бы писал свой форум
[17:36:17] cutwater: om1: а чем не подойдет?
[17:36:21] cutwater: и кстати он не питоновский да
[17:36:45] om1: cutwater: так а как хранить? все посты в одной таблице? я бы так хранил
[17:36:56] om1: вот поэтому и спрашиваю
[17:37:02] cutwater: таблица с темами и связанная таблица постов ну
[17:37:28] om1: а селект по таблице из десяти миллионов постов шустро бегать будет?
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[17:39:05] cutwater: om1: ну посмотри тесты. вообще sqlite на инсертах жутко медленный
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[17:39:34] cutwater: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/784173/what-are-the-performance-characteristics-of-sqlite-with-very-large-database-files
[17:39:40] om1: ну мне инсерт надо будет только в самом начале
[17:39:41] Typhon: очевидно, что нужа одна таблица с колонками name: TEXT и content: TEXT
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[17:40:08] Typhon: иначе зачем реляционные базы вообще придумали?!
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[18:15:03] _lorien: Пара миллионов, норм, селект быстро будет, просто индекс сделай и ваще просто сделай тест, создай 250 тыщ тем, пару миллионов постов мусора какого-нить и посмотри скорость.
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[18:15:10] _lorien: То что ты тут спрашиваешь, тебе практически не поможет. ПРоверяй сам, щупай.
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[19:08:18] gigimon: а подскажите по джанги и sql, есть такие модели: http://dpaste.org/F34X/ можно ли TicketThread отсортировать по дате последнего Ticket в нем?
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[19:15:22] xa4a: gigimon: я думаю, это аггрегации по latest_date=Max(ticket__date) ).order_by(lastest_date)
[19:15:24] xa4a: как-то так
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[19:15:57] xa4a: /me написал ещё один блогпост о виме
[19:16:21] xa4a: зацените http://undefined-ua.blogspot.com/2011/03/vim-2.html =)
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[19:16:24] gigimon: xa4a: пасиб, пойду покурю агрегации
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[19:27:08] Typhon: xa4a, это тебя по-новому надо в рсс пихать или ты сам пихнёшься?
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[19:27:43] xa4a: по новому
[19:27:59] xa4a: http://feeds.feedburner.com/undefinedorgua
[19:28:24] Typhon: mein vim %)
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[20:14:49] runfik: есть список "абвсгеёжзийклмнопрст"[0] как первому значению добавить +3 буквы ?
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[20:16:35] runfik: занес список в переменную A=
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[20:20:28] Typhon: молодца, теперь давай дальше, не торопись, дыши спокойно и у тебя всё получится, особенно, если в доки смотреть!
[20:20:29] _lorien: Плохо сформулированный вопрос
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[20:22:47] gigimon: Typhon: появился второй py_two?
[20:23:13] runfik: B={'a':'d','b':'e','c':'f'}
>>> B['a']
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[20:27:58] gigimon: runfik: и?
[20:28:00] gigimon: это словарь
[20:28:15] runfik: да
[20:28:53] runfik: а нужно что бы сразу несколько букв выводил
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[20:31:15] xa4a: runfik: сформулируй алгоритм сначала словами
[20:31:18] xa4a: максимально детально
[20:31:19] xa4a: себе
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[20:46:10] deepwalker: runfik, s = "абвсгеёжзийклмнопрст".decode('utf8'); l = len(s); s = [(s[n],s[(n + 3) % l]) for n in range(l)]
[20:46:29] deepwalker: .decode('utf8') это из-за бага в айпайтоне, можешь там просто u'' использовать
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[20:46:48] deepwalker: мне просто интересно было, не кидайтесь помидорами : )
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[20:49:07] xa4a: deepwalker: это не шифр цезаря будет
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[20:50:06] deepwalker: то есть?
[20:50:08] deepwalker: а что?
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[20:50:23] xa4a: ну.. с такими буковками
[20:50:26] xa4a: в s
[20:50:38] deepwalker: да я его буковки содрал
[20:50:45] deepwalker: еще б я их набирал
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[20:50:52] runfik: щас статью читаю на хабре http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/30092/
[20:51:15] xa4a: тебе бы основы программирования..
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[20:51:48] deepwalker: sicp
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[20:52:01] deepwalker: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-4.html#%_toc_start
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[20:53:45] deepwalker: Я вот думаю, как это, когда ты имел возможность учить азы программирования? У меня вот был паскаль на дискетках, и все. Хорошо у него справка была встроенная.
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[21:04:33] runfik: попробую сделать цикл по значениям.
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