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[00:44:38] gigimon: это
[00:44:46] gigimon: а как писать в файл и сохранять в него сразу же
[00:44:52] gigimon: а не когда я закрою его?
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[01:01:11] bobry/home: кто нибудь видел готовое решение?
[01:01:34] bobry/home: я нагуглил вариант когда dict явно инициализируется и его значения не меняются
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[07:19:52] portnov: утро
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[09:31:28] mishok13: _lorien, я б тебя расстрелял за такое
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[09:31:45] _lorien: а чо не так? :)
[09:32:46] Ляпатяпа: вроде норм
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[09:34:53] mishok13: d['None'] = 42
print d.None
[09:35:08] mishok13: и т.д. и т.п.
[09:35:17] mishok13: совершенно глупый и ненужный трюк
[09:35:50] Ляпатяпа: ну так и в джанго орм, с полем save, например, проблемы будут
[09:36:01] Ляпатяпа: и там они не обходятся
[09:36:02] mishok13: мне насрать на джанго орм, я про него не знаю
[09:36:11] mishok13: но это глупый и ненужный трюк
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[09:36:48] mishok13: не нужно так делать никогда
[09:37:06] mishok13: тем кому так нравится -- дорога в CL
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[09:47:44] _lorien: А зачем меня расстреливать, я просто предложил реализацию, это bobry хочет, его и расстреливайте :) Я думал в реализации чё не так )
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[09:48:22] _lorien: http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/28456539 по-моему ржачный доклад, ща времени смотреть нету его )
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[10:06:19] _lorien: странно, не могу найти видео с pycamp kyiv, только нашёл два: кашкина о GAE и ещё от разработчиков pycharm, ну и ещё про разработку на нервах, а других видео нема
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[10:18:36] bobry/home: _lorien, не будет работать если словарь иницилизируется через update() или __init__
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[10:19:25] portnov: kick-based developement.
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[10:22:49] _lorien: bobry/home: http://dumpz.org/44166/ у меня работает, что я делаю не так?
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[10:25:40] bobry/home: _lorien, сделай .update() а потом foo.bar = 42
[10:25:50] bobry/home: в смысле _setattr__ на вложенном дикте
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[10:32:06] _lorien: bobry/home: исправляется одной строчкой, если тебе и правда нужна такая хуйня, я думаю, ты найдёшь эту строчку :)
[10:32:19] bobry/home: да, перегрузить update()
[10:32:24] _lorien: нет
[10:32:41] bobry/home: окей, тогда я посмотрю чуть позже -- надо на работу переместиться
[10:32:46] bobry/home: спасибо-спасибо :)
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[12:34:12] simpleUser: может знает кто-нибудь как делать правельный прогресс бар на pyqt?
суть задачи довольна стандартна
есть некий ресурсо емкий процесс, время выполнения оценить не возможно
Пока реализовать при помощи потоков - стартую поток перед ресурсоёмки процессом, где он в цикле крутит бар и перерисовывает его. Когда все что нужно вычислитсья - убиваем этот поток.
Всё вроде круто, и работает так как нужно - но только в винде, и очень не стабильно - перерисовка гуи возможна только из главного потока, из-за этого частенька всё падает.
Пробывал переписывать на сигналы - херня. Бар зависает, происходят все вычисления, потом он обратывает сигналы. Это не то.
кто нибудь знает метод как сделать правильно?
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[12:44:24] simpleUser: да уж... оживленная конфа :-D
[12:44:33] Magister Yoda: ага.
[12:44:44] Magister Yoda: по-идея потоковая идея - верная
[12:44:54] Magister Yoda: видимо просто неверно реализованная
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[12:45:55] simpleUser: оно падает из-за ограничений qt под виндой
в линкусе вообще код такой выпонить не возможно
сам код полностью верен (
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[12:46:13] cutwater: simpleUser: ты уверен в том что код полностью верен?
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[12:46:30] cutwater: вообще правильно таки использовать сигналы при работе из другого потока
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[12:46:35] cutwater: чтобы обновлять прогресс бар
[12:46:50] simpleUser: с сигналами всё тоже самое, из отдельного потока шлем сигналы
но т.к. родительский поток занят - ничег оне перерисовывается
[12:47:02] simpleUser: могу код кинуть - там пару строк и ошибиться негде (
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[12:47:08] cutwater: simpleUser: а чем занят GUI поток то?
[12:47:11] cutwater: simpleUser: ну кинь
[12:47:14] cutwater: только на пастебин
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[12:48:31] simpleUser: http://pastebin.com/K8HdASDm
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[12:49:26] cutwater: Magister Yoda: в принципе вчерашняя модель уже получше будет, но можно сделать еще поумней. если интересно потом расскажу
[12:49:46] simpleUser: закоментированыне строки - изменене ориентации прогресс бара (типа эффект чтобы крутился туда сюда)
и соотвественно изменение самого значения бара
[12:49:50] cutwater: simpleUser: а где код который его вызывает?
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[12:50:17] cutwater: код на 12-16 весьма странен
[12:50:31] cutwater: хотя все ок
[12:50:55] simpleUser: делаю модальным без границ
сделал невидимым т.к. пока он всё равно не работате)
[12:51:16] cutwater: simpleUser: ты покажи код который этот поток вызывает?
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[12:53:16] simpleUser: там ничего не обычного
[12:53:17] simpleUser: http://pastebin.com/xKJL7HMz
[12:53:22] simpleUser: это как пример
[12:53:29] simpleUser: оно в реальности так и есть )
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[12:54:17] cutwater: simpleUser: показывай таки как в реальности
[12:54:37] cutwater: simpleUser: особенно меняинтересует то что между start и stop
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[12:55:11] xa4a: в qt прогресбар сам бегает туда-сюда, если ему не мешать. или я что-то путаю?
[12:55:13] Typhon: зачем ресурсоёмкий код писать в ГУИ потоке?
[12:55:14] cutwater: конкретно есть нехилое подохрение что ты блокируешь GUI поток до окончания выполнения своего "дочернего" потока
[12:55:24] cutwater: xa4a: да был там вроде такой пример
[12:55:26] Typhon: cutwater, походу в треде пытается рисовать прогресс бар
[12:55:31] Typhon: а в ГУИ работать
[12:55:35] cutwater: :-D
[12:55:36] Typhon: а надо наоборот же
[12:55:43] Typhon: ну судя по комменту
[12:55:47] cutwater: ну судя по коменту да
[12:55:56] cutwater: зашибись логика у чувака
[12:56:08] simpleUser: да, в треде рисую бар
[12:56:22] gf: cutwater уже чуется запашок.. :)
[12:56:22] cutwater: /me валяется под столом
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[12:56:40] gf: никак снова гомно потечет?
[12:56:42] simpleUser: но если просто слать от туда сигналы - они ставятся в очерень и обрабатываться только после завершения работы
[12:57:05] cutwater: gf: не возникай
[12:57:10] cutwater: simpleUser: ну а чего ты ожидал
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[12:57:33] gf: cutwater в смысле "не материализуся"? :)
[12:57:42] gf: *й
[12:57:43] cutwater: какой вообще смысл от того что ты создаешь другой поток если ты реально блокируешь GUI и наивно ожидаешь что у тебя что-то будет обновляться
[12:57:59] Typhon: simpleUser, обычно в тред выпускают ресурсоёмкое дело. а "главный" поток занимается гуём.
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[12:59:11] simpleUser: и тогда можно будет через сигналы нормально обрабатывать?
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[13:00:15] cutwater: simpleUser: ага
[13:00:33] cutwater: simpleUser: и не нужно будет тебе его ручками останавливать
[13:00:40] cutwater: тут смысл в "асинхронности процесса"
[13:00:46] cutwater: ты задачу запустил и забыл за нее
[13:00:54] cutwater: как она закончилась тебе пришел сигнал к примеру.
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[13:02:35] cutwater: simpleUser: на будущее никогда не утверждай что "сам код полностью верен ("
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[13:03:15] simpleUser: блин... значить всё не так понял когда начал с этим баром разбираться

но тут опять затык будет - там где ресурсоёмкий код тоже идёт обновления гуя, а делать это не из гуя потока нельзя!
[13:03:25] simpleUser: cutwater: код то верен. Применён не верно)
[13:03:33] cutwater: simpleUser: то есть код не верен да
[13:03:38] cutwater: simpleUser: ну дык посылай сигналы
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[13:03:44] cutwater: из потока
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[13:04:44] xa4a: simpleUser: выполняй свой код в другом QThread и отправляй сигналы
[13:04:58] simpleUser: у меня напирмер создаёться много различных табов которые цепляються к виджету на майн форм

через сигналы можно объекты передавать?
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[13:05:29] xa4a: можно а) попробовать
[13:05:43] xa4a: б) договориться, где объект будет лежать и сигналом сигнализировать, что объект готов
[13:05:49] xa4a: это если нельзя передать в сигнале
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[13:07:44] xa4a: ну обычно ты хочешь что-то типа self.worker = Worker(report_to=self); потом запускаешь длинный процесс, который когда надо может обновлять прогресбар через свой self.report_to. в конце он, например, посылает этому же report_to, который соответствует твоему главному окну-треду сигнал, мол, всё, готово. тогда главный тред забирает результат у self.worker.get_result()
[13:07:50] xa4a: это лишь один из вариантов
[13:08:05] cutwater: пысы. в Qt есть examples
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[13:08:16] cutwater: и с потоками в том числе
[13:08:19] cutwater: рекомендую ознакомиться
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[13:11:34] simpleUser: дык ознакомился и сделал по примеру. Примеры как раз такие как я и сделал блин...
да бар начали прикручивать на последнем этапе уже, когда код был готов...
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[13:11:46] simpleUser: меня ждёт большой рефакториг%)
[13:12:14] simpleUser: т.е. там для бара поток создаётся... а не для задачи
ну и на сайте таких примеров полно
[13:12:19] simpleUser: вот засада..
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[13:13:09] cutwater: учи плюсцы
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[13:14:25] simpleUser: там все ещё хуже)
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[13:16:43] cutwater: да ладно
[13:17:06] cutwater: simpleUser: посмотри на личкрафты
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[13:18:07] simpleUser: python расслабляет) не нужно учитывать кучу мелочей которым подвержены ++
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[13:18:12] simpleUser: ну и просто С
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[13:19:59] simpleUser: к моим баранам вернёмся)
т.е. я в гуи потоке создают воркера и сам прогресс бар. Воркер шлёт сигналы обвновления для бара и потом неким образом я ещё и результат получаю от туда
убиваю прогресс бар
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[13:20:05] simpleUser: так получается?
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[13:20:11] cutwater: да
[13:20:23] cutwater: можешь послать сигнал о завершении потока
[13:20:34] cutwater: и результат сохранить или передать вместе с сигналом
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[13:21:14] simpleUser: сейчас буду пробывать
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[13:25:49] cutwater: simpleUser: пробОвать. мля откуда вы вообще берете эти "пробывать" "зделать" etc.
[13:26:20] cutwater: пробывать - находиться в каком-либо месте или состоянии в течение некоторого промежутка времени
[13:26:32] Ляпатяпа: это пребывать
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[13:26:41] Typhon: проёбывать %)
[13:26:41] cutwater: Ляпатяпа: викисловарь с тобой не согласен =)
[13:26:43] Typhon: fixed
[13:26:50] cutwater: http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C
[13:27:23] Ляпатяпа: это устаревшее
[13:27:24] cutwater: устаревшее
[13:27:26] cutwater: угу
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[13:27:38] simpleUser: ох... граматеиии
[13:27:45] simpleUser: чат это чат
[13:27:53] cutwater: быдло это было.
[13:28:33] simpleUser: ой мля, не нужно
иди на хабрат и бейся там за русский язык
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[13:28:41] simpleUser: *хабр
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[13:28:47] cutwater: simpleUser: учи русский
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[13:28:59] simpleUser: не учи меня что мне учить)
[13:29:01] cutwater: simpleUser: а если не умеешь - не возникай.
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[13:29:29] simpleUser: почитай книжки по этике, друг)
[13:29:43] cutwater: simpleUser: тамбовский волк тебе друг
[13:29:57] simpleUser: :-D
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[13:30:39] simpleUser: тыкать не знакомому человек может только было
а тыкать на его ошибки при письме в чате - хабро-было)
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[13:31:09] cutwater: simpleUser: да вы идиот, сэр.
[13:31:17] simpleUser: ох епать...
[13:31:26] simpleUser: задела тема хабра?
[13:31:31] simpleUser: :-D
[13:31:36] Typhon: да идите уже в приват штоле
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[13:31:46] cutwater: не устраивайте здесь php@
[13:32:13] simpleUser: на больное видно наступил))))
но хабр давно не тот)
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[13:32:32] cutwater: simpleUser: ты бы лучше Розенталя почитал.
[13:33:03] simpleUser: ты бы от монитора оторвался и людьми живыми пообщался
[13:33:15] simpleUser: заняться видно совсем нечем
[13:33:27] xa4a: simpleUser: ты неадекватно критику воспринимаешь
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[13:34:06] simpleUser: xa4a: критика должна быть к месту, а не просто чтобы попиздеть
[13:34:28] gf: simpleUser тебя вчера здесь не было.. :)
[13:34:35] simpleUser: нет
[13:34:36] simpleUser: а что?
[13:35:03] gf: я не спрашиваю, а утверждаю.. :)
[13:35:08] xa4a: simpleUser: может, если ты считаешь, что она не к месту, то проблема не в самой критике
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[13:36:01] gf: simpleUser вчера кутватер вывалял в говне новичка, который не воспользовался его советом..
[13:36:20] simpleUser: xa4a: проблема в критикующем. Я ему сказал что тыкать не знакомым людям просто не культурно. И не важно как он пишет в чате
[13:36:22] cutwater: gf: ты как необразованные репортеры.
[13:36:30] xa4a: gf: там проблема была не в том, что советом не воспользовался. не тролль)
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[13:36:41] xa4a: simpleUser: у тебя завышенное чсв
[13:37:12] mishok13: опять бля началось
[13:37:22] gf: xa4a ок, троллить не буду.. :)
[13:37:26] cutwater: :-(
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[13:37:34] xa4a: mishok13 пришёл. а ну все по норкам!
[13:37:40] mishok13: бгыгы
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[13:38:28] Typhon: а где там ссылка
[13:38:31] Typhon: на faqoverflow
[13:38:42] Typhon: про проглатывать гордость и не принимать персонально
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[13:38:58] Typhon: она ок, но к ней нужна приписка, что критиковать тоже надо код, а не персону
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[13:39:54] xa4a: Typhon: http://www.faqoverflow.com/stackoverflow/132798.html
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[13:40:26] Typhon: !wtf epsk "How to swallow pride and admit mistakes without taking them personally"
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[13:40:58] xa4a: в отрыве от контекста - вряд ли будет работать
[13:41:07] cutwater: http://citforum.ru/howto/smart-questions-ru.shtml я обычно предпочитаю давать эту ссылку...
[13:41:30] xa4a: много-много букв
[13:41:38] cutwater: в частности "реакция на грубость" и "не реагируйте как неудачник"
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[13:42:02] Typhon: xa4a, контекст вроде не особо там глобальный -- "что должен знать каждый"
[13:42:15] Typhon: и не только к программистам же относится
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[13:42:39] xa4a: !wtf auth cutwater
[13:42:56] cutwater: чего?
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[13:43:26] xa4a: можешь писать в !wtf
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[13:44:07] Typhon: xa4a, хотя да, если это отдельно, а не как _ответ_ воспринимать -- выглядит тупо, как вопрос
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[13:57:56] bobry: я тут смотрю на brownie которую недавно deepwalker ругал -- а ничего оно в принципе то
[13:57:58] bobry: никто не пользует?
[13:58:11] bobry: http://github.com/DasIch/brownie/
[13:58:18] mishok13: я иногда делаю дома
[13:58:20] mishok13: вкусненько
[13:58:34] bobry: прям настоящие делаешь?
[13:58:45] bobry: хотя там рецепт нехитрый :)
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[13:58:54] bobry: но я бы лучше про библиотеку ругань почитал
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[13:59:35] mishok13: а что их делать-то
[13:59:52] mishok13: я не совсем понял зачем библиотека
[14:00:08] bobry: ну например я хочу immutable dict какой нить и у меня нет werkzeug'a
[14:00:11] bobry: copy-paste?
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[14:00:17] bobry: а потом я хочу еще cached_property
[14:00:28] bobry: и что нибудь бонусом к itertools
[14:00:30] bobry: из рецептов
[14:00:48] mishok13: сборник рецептышей с activestate?
[14:01:09] bobry: ну да, что то типа cookbook in action
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[14:01:54] Typhon: рецепты на эктивстейт какие-то лошадиные обычно
[14:01:57] deepwalker: я вобще не люблю поддержку мшистых версий
[14:01:58] Typhon: стены текста на сраный чих
[14:02:23] deepwalker: потому очевидно любая поддержка того, что есть в стдлиб 2,6 меня не радует
[14:02:28] bobry: Typhon, ну как на djangosinppets почти
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[14:02:43] bobry: deepwalker, у нас 2.4 в production, что теперь? :)
[14:02:49] deepwalker: обновить :-P
[14:02:54] bobry: centos?
[14:03:08] deepwalker: тю, и что, вы не умеете под цынтос собирать пакеты?
[14:03:11] nmk: centos -- ебанетесь обновлять
[14:03:15] nmk: там же yuuuuum
[14:03:15] bobry: но тут речь не только о совместимости
[14:03:19] bobry: там всякие вкусности еще лежат
[14:03:30] deepwalker: центос и вкусности у меня ен сочетаются
[14:03:38] bobry: deepwalker, это я про брауни
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[14:05:40] deepwalker: ну из него можно половину выкинуть, чтобы не поддерживать 2.4
[14:05:59] deepwalker: а остальным обновиться! :)
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[14:10:04] bobry: он и так не поддерживает 2.4
[14:10:07] bobry: 2.5 -- минимум
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[15:31:02] cutwater: кто-нибудь новый developers.org.ua определенно же видел
[15:31:06] py_two: пивет!!!:)
[15:31:17] cutwater: скажите что там за кромешный адЪ с сортировкой комментариев
[15:31:20] py_two: кто постил в вордпресс через xml-rpc ?
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[15:32:03] mishok13: cutwater, я сам до сих пор не понял что вообще происходит с каментами
[15:32:13] cutwater: mishok13: ну там коменты сортируются от старых к новым
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[15:32:18] cutwater: а ответы на коменты в обратном порядке
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[15:32:52] py_two: опять свою джангу обсуждают
[15:32:58] py_two: (наверное)
[15:33:11] cutwater: казалось бы при чем здесь джанга
[15:33:30] py_two: та просто тут звучит слово джанга чаще, чем я дышу
[15:33:38] py_two: ладно - ваше право
[15:33:49] py_two: кто постил в вордпресс через xml-rpc ?
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[15:33:56] cutwater: py_two: вы хотите об этом поговорить?
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[15:34:18] py_two: я что-то либу дома слил, поставил, а она что-то не особо и работает. Либа 05 года
[15:34:30] cutwater: py_two: какую либу ты о чем?
[15:34:42] py_two: вордпресс через xml-rpc
[15:34:51] py_two: ну там libwirdpress
[15:34:52] cutwater: эм... при чем здесь либа и python ?
[15:34:55] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/library/xmlrpclib
[15:34:58] mishok13: srsly
[15:35:17] cutwater: mishok13: опередил. я к этотму еще не подошел
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[15:35:32] py_two: хочу для себя сделать гуёвый клиент - в свой блог постить:)
[15:36:00] cutwater: ну сделай
[15:36:13] cutwater: xml-rpc есть в питоне из коробки
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[15:36:46] py_two: cutwater: есть, но я не заводил разговор в плоскости того, что его нет в коробке с питоном
[15:36:49] py_two: заметь;)
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[15:37:15] mishok13: а мы тебе намекаем что несложно и самому написать
[15:37:36] cutwater: py_two: чего нет? напиши сам да
[15:37:48] py_two: а я как бе намекаю на то, что я интересовался о том, что кто-нибудь постил в вордпресс через xml-rpc ?
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[15:37:49] cutwater: py_two: ты пока что именно что заводил разговор
[15:38:23] cutwater: py_two: обычно начинают с описания проблемы.
[15:38:35] cutwater: тебе для работы с вордпрессом xmlrpclib хватит
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[15:41:29] _lorien: py_two: ну - я постил, берёшь и постишь :)
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[15:42:10] _lorien: Готовых клиентов думаю уже тьма-тьмущая. Так что писать свой велосипе - только ради понимания процессов.
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[15:53:35] py_two: а есть уже готовый клиент на питоне ?
[15:53:43] py_two: к пхп испытываю неприязнь
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[15:54:05] py_two: *работающий готовый клиент на питоне
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[16:13:44] py_two: а xml-rpc вообще по спецификации меняется или нет ?
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[18:11:19] xa4a: никто в виме не настраивал отступы после открытых скобок как по pep8?
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[18:11:42] xa4a: чтобы новую строку отступало до незакрытой скобки с предидущей строки
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[18:11:50] cutwater: м?
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[18:12:27] Typhon: а вим так не делает по дефолту?
[18:12:35] cutwater: у меня так по дефолту вроде
[18:12:44] cutwater: проверил так
[18:12:48] xa4a: хм..
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[18:14:51] xa4a: а если посреди строки, после запятой жмякнуть энтер?
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[20:35:01] Magister Yoda: cutwater: как ты хотел изменить модель?
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[20:39:42] py_two: мне xml-rpc отписала:xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault 405: и дальше строки юникодные вида u'\u0421' .... .... ....
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[20:39:54] py_two: как бы мне меседж в читабельном виде вывести ?:)
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[20:41:08] Typhon: у тебя вротпресс блог?
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[20:41:19] Typhon: если да, то гугл бы тебя очень помог бы http://wordpress.org/support/topic/error-code-405
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[20:43:01] py_two: Typhon:ага, вордпресс
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[20:45:03] py_two: dashboard - settings - writing
[20:45:13] py_two: вот никогда не любил русские переводы
[20:45:24] py_two: и как мне добраться в русском вордпрессе туда ?:)
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[20:51:32] py_two: Typhon: а я классически пробывал искать xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault 405:
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[20:52:21] cutwater: Magister Yoda: покажи еще раз
[20:52:38] Typhon: py_two, https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=xml+rpc+405+Fault
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[21:06:05] Magister Yoda: cutwater, только не надо мне говорить про under и camel =)
[21:06:31] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ну я тебе таки скажу. PEP8
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[21:06:58] cutwater: dayCho = (
('1', u'Понедельник'),
('2', u'Вторник'),
('3', u'Среда'),
('4', u'Четверг'),
('5', u'Пятница'),
('6', u'Суббота'),
)

ну вот это бред
[21:07:09] cutwater: это все меняется на одно поле DateTime и дальше отображается как душе угодно
[21:07:15] Magister Yoda: выбор =) для админки :-D
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[21:07:34] Magister Yoda: мне не надо даты
[21:07:44] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ну я тебе рассказываю что это бредятина в таком виде. я конечно понимаю если задача отобразить те две колонки и больше ничего делать не надо то с натяжкой сойдет
[21:07:47] Magister Yoda: мне просто дни недели
[21:08:09] Magister Yoda: задача на самом деле в другом, но это на потом
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[21:08:48] Magister Yoda: DateTime - знает дни недели?
[21:08:58] cutwater: *Date я имел ввиду
[21:09:17] Magister Yoda: ну а Date знает?
[21:09:19] cutwater: Magister Yoda: а ты предлагаешь составлять расписание на каждую неделю ?
[21:09:27] cutwater: да
[21:09:37] Magister Yoda: блин. задача в другом немного....
[21:09:49] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ну как ты поставил задачу - я тебе так и отвечаю
[21:10:07] cutwater: параллельно сравнивая с расписанием своего универа и говорю что то что ты делаешь мягко говоря уныло
[21:10:32] cutwater: например потому что расписание дальше чем на 2 недели составить невозможно
[21:10:45] Magister Yoda: хммм.... а хотя может ты и прав...
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[21:10:59] Magister Yoda: вот только не знаю как это реализовать
[21:11:16] cutwater: ну опять же давай так. я тебе подсказываю решение
[21:11:20] Typhon: cutwater, а зачем там дальше чем на две недели? они ж одинаковые и чередуются
[21:11:21] Magister Yoda: в общем 1 неделя каждого семестра считается красной, тобишь нечётной
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[21:11:22] cutwater: ты включаешь мозги и думаешь над ним.
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[21:11:32] cutwater: Typhon: разве?
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[21:11:40] Typhon: cutwater, ну в вузах так
[21:11:42] Typhon: обычно
[21:11:45] cutwater: о_О
[21:11:48] Typhon: один раз составляется в начале семестра
[21:11:51] cutwater: ну конкретно у нас вообще не так.
[21:12:00] Magister Yoda: ну собственно говоря да...
[21:12:02] Typhon: поэтому тут не обязательно полновесный календарь делать
[21:12:14] cutwater: дык от задачи зависит. я условий не видел
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[21:12:32] Magister Yoda: по сути это электронный журнал для старосты
[21:12:40] Magister Yoda: +пара рюшечек
[21:12:52] cutwater: что значит электронный журнал?
[21:12:52] Magister Yoda: *будущий
[21:13:05] Magister Yoda: ну типа отмечать посещаемость
[21:13:06] cutwater: отмечать кто был кто не был7
[21:13:11] Magister Yoda: +статистика
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[21:13:12] cutwater: ну и как ты это планируешь без даты сделать?
[21:13:33] Magister Yoda: вот я и сказал - (0:10:55) Magister Yoda: хммм.... а хотя может ты и прав...
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[21:14:07] cutwater: Magister Yoda: понимаешь чем подробней ты изначально опишешь задачу - тем лучше будет совет
[21:14:13] Magister Yoda: но про расписание Typhon верно подчеркнул. оно двухнедельное и чередуется
[21:14:25] cutwater: ну если у тебя действительно не будет меняться расписание то норм
[21:14:38] Magister Yoda: каждый семестр начинается с красной недели.
[21:14:51] Typhon: да, только электронный журнал подразумевает конкретные даты, гг. и PEP8 БЛЕАТЬ!11!
[21:14:57] Typhon: будь мужиком, соблюдай стандарты!
[21:14:58] Magister Yoda: + каждый семестр расписание меняется
[21:15:46] Magister Yoda: бля... чувствую от меня с этим камелом не отстанут.
[21:15:51] Magister Yoda: ладно, переделаю
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[21:16:02] cutwater: и таки комменты в стиле капитана очевидность жгут
[21:16:11] Typhon: ну типа, в чужой монастырь со своим уставом и всё такое
[21:16:15] cutwater: поэтому чтобы составить модель надо тебе подробно описать задачу.
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[21:17:17] cutwater: Magister Yoda: кстати я бы группы вынес в отдельную таблицу
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[21:17:32] Magister Yoda: каменты я не для себя пишу
[21:17:54] cutwater: ну а старосту можно теоретически сделать не булеан филд а ForeignKey от группы к студенту.
[21:18:12] Magister Yoda: а какие свойства могут быть у группы кроме названия?
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[21:18:15] cutwater: OneToOne
[21:18:24] cutwater: Magister Yoda: да только название
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[21:18:31] Magister Yoda: а смысл тогда?
[21:18:34] cutwater: но так как ты его в нескольких местах дублируешь
[21:18:36] cutwater: то есть смысл
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[21:19:07] Magister Yoda: а понял.
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[21:19:22] Magister Yoda: типа группа - имя, староста
[21:19:49] cutwater: ну да

группа - имя, староста OneToOne поле
[21:20:16] cutwater: студент с ссылкой на группу
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[21:22:03] cutwater: и тогда имеет смысл хранить запись аля

дата, студент, пара
[21:22:03] Magister Yoda: старосту как описать? я ж не могу его как FK на student
[21:22:06] cutwater: аля посещаемость
[21:22:09] cutwater: почему не можешь?
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[21:22:31] Magister Yoda: замкнутость получится
[21:22:40] cutwater: ну и что?
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[21:23:29] Magister Yoda: да и PyCharm что-то его в автокомплите не выводит
[21:23:38] cutwater: делаешь OneToOneField и будет ок
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[21:23:51] cutwater: охщи... ну вы бы еще к бабке сходили
[21:23:57] cutwater: PyCharm не выводит....
[21:24:08] Magister Yoda: дампз ддосят?
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[21:27:53] Magister Yoda: http://pastebin.com/hc7TArSj
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[21:30:17] Typhon: Magister Yoda, paste.in.ua на дампзе куча обвеса непонятного ^_^
[21:30:26] Typhon: на пастебине чот тоже
[21:30:37] Typhon: Magister Yoda, читни pep8 то :-)
[21:30:45] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/44028/
[21:30:46] Typhon: Magister Yoda, переименовал неправильно.
[21:30:48] Typhon: !wtf pep8
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[21:36:08] cutwater: Typhon: кстати в любом случае в "паре" надо хранить либо дату либо семестр
[21:36:22] cutwater: иначе нерадивому пользователю придется сначала удалять все пары или чистить базу
[21:36:30] cutwater: а потом таки только добавлять новое расписание
[21:36:32] cutwater: алсо
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[21:37:11] Typhon: cutwater, семестр подошёл бы, да. или галочка old :D
[21:37:19] cutwater: ну old
[21:37:28] cutwater: а если больше 2х семестров?
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[21:37:36] cutwater: а если надо поднять данные за предыдущие семестры?
[21:37:50] Typhon: ну это я шучу так
[21:37:53] cutwater: ну да
[21:37:55] Typhon: семестры надо, да.
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[21:39:40] Magister Yoda: осталось ещё додумать модель до того чтобы можно было хранить эНки каждого студента за каждую пару
[21:40:20] cutwater: я тебе уже выше написал
[21:40:35] Magister Yoda: календарь, это я помню
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[21:41:10] Magister Yoda: или ты про другое?
[21:41:13] cutwater: про другое
[21:41:28] cutwater: таблица с полями

студент, пара, дата
[21:41:30] cutwater: все
[21:41:34] Magister Yoda: ааааа....
[21:41:37] Magister Yoda: точно)
[21:41:38] cutwater: если есть запись значит был
[21:41:42] cutwater: нет записи - значит не был
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[21:41:50] Magister Yoda: или наоборот лучш
[21:41:54] cutwater: можно явно добавить bool но не важно
[21:41:58] Magister Yoda: есть запись - не был
[21:41:58] cutwater: Magister Yoda: да не суть важно
[21:42:09] Magister Yoda: так вес меньше будет
[21:42:18] Typhon: ыхыхы
[21:42:22] Typhon: лучше бул добавь
[21:42:28] Typhon: меньше ебаться придётся
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[21:42:39] Magister Yoda: то есть добавлять всех?
[21:42:45] cutwater: Typhon: ему осилить LEFT JOIN придется ,
[21:42:47] cutwater: ?
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[21:43:14] Typhon: его итак придётся, не будет же он ид показывать :-)
[21:43:19] cutwater: или джанга настолько говно что не умеет LEFT JOIN
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[21:43:24] cutwater: Typhon: а так INNER
[21:43:35] cutwater: если запись есть для каждого студента
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[21:43:53] cutwater: хотя внезапно записи может и не быть
[21:44:26] Magister Yoda: а если bool, то ведь придётся хранить каждого студента за каждую пару?
[21:44:43] cutwater: угу
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[21:44:47] cutwater: тебя это смущает?
[21:44:53] Magister Yoda: так БД будет расти вообще в геометрической прогрессии
[21:44:56] cutwater: ты уже судорожно считаешь затраченые байты?
[21:45:08] Magister Yoda: :-D
[21:45:34] cutwater: да поэтому вообще лучше забить и уйти из программирования.
[21:45:45] Magister Yoda: а кстати. как недели то просчитывать?
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[21:46:29] Magister Yoda: типа красная-синяя
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[21:51:31] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/44028/ вот как-то так
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[21:52:37] Typhon: убунту -- говно. создал группу, usermod -G , в /etc/group есть всё как надо, в "groups" нету, права не работают, соот-но. в гуи этом сраном для администрирования -- тоже отмечено всё.
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[21:53:05] Typhon: после перезагрузки -- заработало. ПРИВЕТ, ВИНДОВС!
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[22:01:15] bobry/home: товарищи, а при вызове file.close() вызывается .flush()?
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[22:03:16] gigimon: flush же очищает, не?
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[22:03:40] bobry/home: ну, буфер очищает ага
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[22:05:59] levsha: информирует операционку что надо бы эти данные записать. Правда никто не гарантирует что при этом данные таки запишутся на блины
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[23:37:36] py_two: не, ну это ж надо!
[23:37:50] py_two: так и знал, что будет второй чернобыль
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[23:38:14] Typhon: ты насчёт смерти гурченко?
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[23:38:21] py_two: две аварии связанные с атомом
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[23:38:45] Typhon: в любом случае -- это оффтоп ;-)
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[23:39:06] py_two: не, ну к нам уже прилетел радиактивный йод
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[23:40:07] py_two: говорят конечно, что его 1\1000 меньше нормы
[23:40:39] py_two: но чую, что песдешь такой же, как и в Японии, когда говорили, что на факусиме все норма
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[23:45:46] xa4a: не, ну это ж надо!
[23:45:56] xa4a: https://d3nwyuy0nl342s.cloudfront.net/img/311e2034c078b3d7a53497020cda7b3bedda249d/687474703a2f2f6f6935342e74696e797069632e636f6d2f3279797365666d2e6a7067
[23:45:59] xa4a: статуслайн какой!
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[23:52:53] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/gely8/easymotion_vim_motions_on_speed/ отсюда, если что
[23:53:16] Typhon: чота показывали уже сегодня, я не вырубаю, чо крутого?
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[23:54:20] xa4a: в плагине? или статуслайне?
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[23:55:59] xa4a: статуслайн - такой милый. со свистелками и перделками
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[23:56:45] xa4a: плагин, похоже, тоже аццкий. я ещё не прочувствовал, но, похоже, он даёт возможность в любую видимую точку текста переходить за ~3-4 нажатия клавиш
[23:56:53] xa4a: /me ещё не уверен, нужно ли это
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[23:58:19] xa4a: тоесть статус лайн, на первый взгляд - круто, а по сути - так.. а плагин - наоборот
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