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[06:30:47] webninja: реддит охото вонзить все же. щаз попробую у них на ирк канале спросить
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[06:56:45] webninja: круто поставил вроде реддит
[06:56:59] webninja: ну по крайней мере он там чето закомпилил и все такое
[06:57:15] webninja: короче нужно было поставить libmemcached и libmemcached-devel
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[06:57:41] webninja: причем в федоре12 юмом тянется старая версия я нашел рпмки и их вонзил )
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[07:58:41] Magister Yoda: в BeautyfulSoup можно как то перейти к DIV'у с определённым ID?
[07:59:56] Magister Yoda: soup('div', id="divraspis") оно?
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[08:17:15] webninja: да
[08:17:19] webninja: йода блин рид мануал
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[08:23:39] py_two: пытаюсь сделать mysql.exe -u root -p123456 -D wordpress drop database
[08:23:47] py_two: не получается:)
[08:24:15] py_two: хоск батник сделать. Что я неправильно делаю ?
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[08:47:28] py_two: Ляпатяпа : ?
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[08:54:46] levsha: наверное ошибка в части "не получается"
[08:55:02] levsha: "не смог раскрутить барабан и не угадал ни одной буквы из алфавита"
[08:55:21] Ляпатяпа: не работаю с майсиквелом
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[08:56:24] levsha: py_two: ты где отктопал что команду можо дать вот просто так, последним параметром без ключа?
[08:56:57] py_two: levsha: от балды:)
[08:56:58] levsha: а то man говорит что для этого надо использовать -e
[08:57:27] levsha: py_two: "мне man-ы читать некогда, я программист" ?
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[08:58:07] py_two: levsha: в вин32 нет мана:)
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[09:00:49] levsha: py_two: а интернет там есть?
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[09:03:37] levsha: какая убогая система ...
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[09:09:31] Typhon: py_two: ты заебал свою лень оправдывать отсутствием интернета. давно бы уже все маны в пдф напечатал, если бы хотел. :/
[09:10:12] py_two: Typhon: та ну я уже две недели ничего не спрашиваю. Не надо свои ПМЖ сваливать на других
[09:10:21] py_two: ну там нервы при ПМЖ и тд
[09:11:11] webninja: что еще за пмж:
[09:11:13] webninja: ?
[09:11:20] Typhon: пмж — это постоянное место жительства ? ;-)
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[09:11:52] Ляпатяпа: предменструальная жопа?
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[09:16:15] Typhon: py_two: какая разница, задавал ты вопросы или нет? дело в том, что на каждое "это есть в мане" ты отвечаешь "у меня винда", "у меня нет инета", "собака съела распечатки", "трамвай уехал", как школьник какой-то, вместо того чтобы признать, что поленился, не посмотрел и т.д. ;-)
[09:16:51] py_two: Typhon: почему, я хелп прочитал
[09:16:55] py_two: в хелпе нет оного
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[09:18:30] Typhon: ПОПИЗДИ-КА МНЕ ТУТ! http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/mysql/
[09:18:37] Typhon: --execute=statement, -e statement
Execute the statement and quit. The default output format is like
that produced with --batch. See Section 4.2.3.1, "Using Options on
the Command Line", for some examples
[09:18:47] Typhon: школьник, чо
[09:19:00] Typhon: "марь ванна, я в последний раз" ;-)
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[09:35:18] maxp: хы-хы
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[09:36:02] maxp: на русскоязычных каналах шла легкая, непринужденная и конструктивная беседа :) Как, впрочем, и всегда.
[09:36:13] py_two: :)
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[09:37:58] mishok13: может вас забанить чтобы вы здесь не стенали вслух?
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[09:38:24] maxp: ну конечно, иначе у тебя ЧСВ сильно страдает
[09:38:35] Typhon: mishok13: прямо клуб по интересам у них, ещё с такими претензиями, как будто тут люди никому не помогали ни разу, пиздец
[09:38:38] maxp: ты же тут видимо очень важными вопросами занимаешься
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[09:38:44] Typhon: В ИНОСТРАННЫХ ТО КОНФАХ НЕ ТАК!!11!
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[09:39:10] mishok13: maxp, пока что на все мои предложения и советы, а также вполне конкретные ответы ты только отвечаешь недовольством
[09:39:15] mishok13: так что не пизди-ка
[09:39:37] mishok13: ЧСВ я повышаю другими способами
[09:39:38] maxp: /me сделал у себя на форуме фильтр на 15% заглавных букв
[09:39:50] py_two: maxp: скотина, ты что mishok13 из себя выводишь ? А-та-та!
[09:40:03] Typhon: maxp: молодец! пятёра тебе
[09:40:03] maxp: всякие балбесы, у которых shift залипает сразу отвалились - красота...
[09:40:42] maxp: mishok13: а еще знаешь как приколько, научиться разговоривать без матов
[09:40:51] mishok13: я это умею
[09:40:55] maxp: это не всем удается, конечно...
[09:40:58] maxp: да что-то не похоже
[09:41:09] mishok13: тебе удается только пиздеть не по делу на этом канале
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[09:41:12] maxp: давайте лучше какой-нибудь еще вопросик потроллим
[09:41:29] Typhon: maxp: а я у себя на сайте снежок постил сверху, пацаны на ИНОСТРАННОМ КАНАЛЕ подсказали как
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[09:41:50] maxp: ух ты, сннежок!
[09:41:52] maxp: здорово
[09:42:01] maxp: пойду поспрошаю, как это на питоне сделать
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[09:44:47] mishok13: /me погрепал логи #python за последние три месяца -- ни одного вопроса от maxp
[09:44:56] mishok13: иди туда задавай вопросы в том же стиле
[09:45:03] mishok13: сколько ты там протянешь?
[09:45:18] maxp: юноша, я вчера раза три повторил ключевое слово #pocoo
[09:45:29] maxp: это ускользнуло от внимания что-ли?
[09:45:54] maxp: и уже наверно хватит изображать тут сильно делового и обиженного
[09:46:21] mishok13: ?
[09:46:29] mishok13: ты мне на возраст решил тыкать?
[09:46:43] py_two: земляки, не ругайтесь!
[09:46:44] mishok13: ты еще Армину бля потыкай на его возраст, ему вообще 18
[09:46:52] maxp: так возбахуешь как пацан на ровном месте.
[09:47:01] maxp: Армин клевый чувак
[09:47:06] mishok13: а обиды нету, есть непонимание какого хера ты здесь делаешь, если тебя всё не устраивает
[09:47:15] py_two: я тоже клевый чувак, только долбоёб
[09:47:17] py_two: :)
[09:47:22] maxp: кстати, не гнушается на мои вопросы отвечать
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[09:47:34] mishok13: на твои вопросы здесь тоже отвечают, между прочим
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[09:47:35] maxp: а я сюда поболтать пришел
[09:48:00] mishok13: болтать это на других каналах, пожалуйста
[09:48:09] py_two: maxp: слушай. Место главного дибилоида канало моё! Ты не имеешь права его занимать:)
[09:48:10] maxp: а тут все по делу моглчат?
[09:48:23] maxp: py_two: да не проблема, я не претендую
[09:48:29] mishok13: ты же даже не про питон, а про то что "рускоязычные каналы говно, вот на покоо мне помогли"
[09:48:36] py_two: maxp: а твои выражения говорят об обратном
[09:48:36] mishok13: не нравится -- не заходи
[09:48:53] maxp: ну так легкий троллеж оживляет обстановку, а как же :)
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[09:49:09] py_two: maxp: я и без тебя могу тут легкий тролик развести
[09:49:10] py_two: поверь
[09:49:20] maxp: так не сомневаюсь
[09:49:28] maxp: или тут у тебя монополия?
[09:49:32] py_two: не стоит даже пытаться сомневаться
[09:49:36] py_two: так и есть
[09:49:38] py_two: монополия
[09:49:44] py_two: вали, отседова
[09:49:50] py_two: мудаг
[09:49:58] Typhon: вы троллинг с тупежом путаете, ребята
[09:50:11] maxp: ух ты, пошла вторая страница, а все про питон да про питон...
[09:50:54] maxp: вбрасываю неправильный вопрос
[09:51:04] maxp: геноссы, кто-нибудь в IDEA кодит?
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[09:51:29] maxp: у кого-нибудь оно ругается на параметры в os.* функциях?
[09:51:38] py_two: Typhon: mysql -u root -p123456 SHOW DATABASES не прокатывает. Банально гугла нет посмотреть экземплы:)
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[09:52:35] Typhon: py_two: :/ я выше уже сказал про разницу, до которой ты не догоняеь
[09:52:35] maxp: никто IDEA не юзает?
[09:52:44] py_two: * -e SHOW DATABASES
[09:53:36] levsha: py_two: тебя всегда за ручку водить надо? mysql -u root -p123456 -e 'SHOW DATABASES' mysql
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[09:53:56] levsha: py_two: и неужели так трудно вместо "не прокатывает" скопипастить всю команду и её вывод?
[09:55:23] py_two: mysql -u root -p123456 -e 'SHOW DATABASES'
ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'databases''
[09:56:11] levsha: py_two: ты же правда команду не дословно скопировал, а волно пересказал? При этом на самом деле у тебя кавычек нет, а когда сюда копировал, то ты их поставил?
[09:57:02] py_two: все, получилось
[09:57:05] py_two: спасибо
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[09:57:53] levsha: всего то надо копипастить и команду, и вывод. Не перенабирать, а копипастить. Почему-то некоторым это так сложно дается...
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[10:01:41] maxp: уважаемые, а кто-нибудь имеет опыт работы с како-нибудь граф библиотекой, кроме PIL ?
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[10:03:22] py_two: levsha: дело в том, что скопипастить не получилось
[10:03:30] py_two: помогли только двойные ковычки
[10:03:50] levsha: py_two: в интернете (которого у тебя нет) есть множество фоток тех, кого это волнует
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[10:05:26] py_two: levsha: я просто доказал, что твои обвинения относительно " всего то надо копипастить и команду, и вывод. Не перенабирать, а копипастить. Почему-то некоторым это так сложно дается..." имели под собой основание лишь частично
[10:06:41] maxp: во-во, я о том же - главное не вопрос, а удастся ли доковыряться до собеседника :)
[10:06:45] levsha: py_two: они имели под собой основания полностью. Потому что если у тебя что-то не выходить с копипастить, то надо было разобраться и сделать чтобы выходил, или уже спросить. Причем спрашивать не методом "не выходит", а "делаю так то, но получаю то то, а не то то"
[10:06:54] mishok13: aggdraw
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[10:07:27] mishok13: оно неполное и слегка глючное, собирается успешно в зависимости от фазы луны
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[10:07:34] maxp: а что умеет?
[10:07:35] mishok13: pycairo
[10:07:43] mishok13: рисовать
[10:07:45] maxp: если коротко, то хотелки такие
[10:07:55] maxp: есть питончег и в нем PIL
[10:08:12] maxp: но как-то он корявенько с картинками работает,
[10:08:26] maxp: в результета народ сейчас тупо вызывает exec convert
[10:08:41] maxp: с длинной строкой параметров
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[10:09:14] mishok13: работает?
[10:09:29] maxp: есть более-менее рабочая pycairo и байндинг pythonmagic
[10:09:43] maxp: работать-то работает, но дальше в том же духе уже не хочется
[10:09:51] py_two: pymagic есть вроде как
[10:10:03] py_two: pip search не ?
[10:10:17] maxp: помнится мне он пару месяцев назад отказывался собираться
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[10:10:29] maxp: и его в gentoo хотели вообще unsupported поставить
[10:10:35] maxp: и что search?
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[10:20:54] maxp: а cairo вроде неплохо картинки обрабатывает
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[10:24:23] mishok13: у каиро по сравнению с imagemagick набор функций, как бы сказать помягче, ограниченный
[10:24:39] mishok13: да и цели у них разные, всё таки
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[10:26:10] maxp: ну как бы да
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[10:29:42] maxp: немного смущает тот факт, что в pypi нормальный байндниг как-то не наблюдается
[10:30:16] maxp: и не так давно в Gentoo например, оно вообще не собиралось
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[10:32:33] maxp: но радует, что в Бубунте не очень древняя версия
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[10:42:02] maxp: всем спасибо за беседу...
[10:42:04] maxp: bye all
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[10:49:23] bobry/work: mishok13, а шо у тебя за тема на eupycon'e?
[10:50:09] mishok13: питон и openstreetmap, как обычно, в общем
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[11:50:08] wiz_: ох жаль нет в ipdb команды back...
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[11:50:49] Typhon: жаль, что нету команды WTF?
[11:52:31] wiz_: ага
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[11:52:51] wiz_: но вроде не сильно сложно было бы хранить десяток последних фреймов
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[12:03:18] wiz_: а для меркуриала есть линуксовый аналог тортоизового коммита частями? так лениво возиться с шелвом...
[12:03:31] nmk: crecord?
[12:03:51] nmk: но он из шела, да.
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[12:06:10] cutwater: wiz_: возись с шелом. оно полезно. а еще git да
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[12:08:08] Ляпатяпа: а в тортойзе это какой командой делается?
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[12:09:24] wiz_: git не нужен
[12:09:55] cutwater: ты не осилил git?
[12:10:03] cutwater: ты не осилил консольку?
[12:10:15] wiz_: git осилил, но он гомно
[12:10:20] wiz_: хг няшнее
[12:10:21] cutwater: значит не осилил
[12:10:36] cutwater: wiz_: чем говно?
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[12:10:47] wiz_: тем, что он негуманный
[12:10:47] cutwater: /me считает hg неюзабельным.
[12:10:52] cutwater: wiz: чем?
[12:11:09] wiz_: git: 'st' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
Did you mean one of these?
reset
stage
stash
[12:11:14] cutwater: а из GUI один хер тчо git что hg пользовать
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[12:11:39] cutwater: wiz_: bash-completion не? git alias не?
[12:11:41] wiz_: гуи не принципиально. просто хотелось бы гибрид шелва и коммита
[12:12:02] wiz_: cutwater, а зачем, если hg таких вопросов дурацких не задаёт
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[12:12:30] cutwater: wiz_: он просто дейстует иначе.
[12:12:43] cutwater: git st<tab> принципиально ничем не отличается
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[12:12:51] cutwater: зато нет неоднозначностей
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[12:13:18] wiz_: этим он решает проблему, которой у меня никогда небыло
[12:13:34] cutwater: wiz_: зато появляются потенциально другие проблемы.
[12:13:39] wiz_: у меня не появляются
[12:13:47] cutwater: например если добавится команда stwhatever
[12:14:02] cutwater: wiz_: мое мнение как раз система не должна додумывать за пользователя.
[12:14:27] cutwater: explicit is better than implicit не?
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[12:17:06] mishok13: Although practicality beats purity.
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[12:19:06] wiz_: mishok13, ++
[12:19:12] wiz_: т.е. += 1 (8
[12:19:20] wiz_: btw, crecord ок
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[12:25:23] cutwater: и все таки это два разных подхода. и не скажу что подход git чем-то хуже.
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[12:26:02] Typhon: с гитовым ёбаным набором сраных команд, по умолчанию вызывать какую-нибудь опасно — снесёт тебе репку и не моргн
[12:26:03] Typhon: ёт
[12:26:59] wiz_: cutwater, да я и не говорю, что hg лучше. просто он мне приятней...
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[12:28:12] cutwater: а мужики то и не знаю
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[14:05:39] Tony: кто юзает redmine с большими репозитариями hg?
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[14:26:24] cutwater: Magister Yoda: приветище
[14:26:35] cutwater: Tony: попинай дедфуде
[14:26:38] cutwater: он юзает с гитом
[14:27:00] Cyrus08: приветствую. в питоне же нет икремента через "++"? надо как "var += 1"?
[14:27:23] cutwater: да
[14:27:24] Tony: cutwater, да с гитом и с svn у меня работает с hg просто пиздец приплыли при просмотре репозитария
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[14:27:36] cutwater: Tony: вот видишь :trololo:
[14:27:43] cutwater: Cyrus08: причина этого в том что ++ говно
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[14:28:56] cutwater: Cyrus08:
int x=0;
x=x++;
cout<<x;
что выведется на экран?
[14:28:57] Tony: Cyrus08, гвидо не любит ++
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[14:30:17] Cyrus08: cutwater: 0?
[14:30:33] cutwater: Cyrus08: ты не сдал собеседование.
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[14:30:58] levsha: был бы это c, я бы сказал "поведение не определено"
[14:30:59] cutwater: Cyrus08: может 0, может 1, а теоретически может даже 5 =)
[14:31:08] cutwater: levsha: а это как бы и есть С++
[14:31:14] cutwater: и таки да это undefined behaviour
[14:31:25] levsha: тогда да, поведение не определено
[14:31:28] Cyrus08: cutwater: любят же задавать такие вопросы)). по-идее, сначало присваивание, потом инкремент. но каждый компиль по своему это делает
[14:31:41] levsha: и результат может быть разный в разных компиляторах
[14:31:50] cutwater: Cyrus08: поэтому ты и не сдал собеседование. ты не знаешь о том что такое точки следования ;)
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[14:31:57] cutwater: и не читал стандарт С++
[14:31:57] levsha: мой любимый прикол это x+++++x
[14:32:04] cutwater: и не читал статью Алены.
[14:32:14] Cyrus08: cutwater: и толком не учил Си :(
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[14:32:36] cutwater: и можно накидать еще похожих примеров
[14:32:54] levsha: Cyrus08: по спецификации инкремент должен быть сделан после взятия значения. Но не определяется должен ли он быть сделан сразу после взятия, или после вычисления всего выражения - оба варианта поведения допустимы
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[14:33:17] Tony: [18:31:56] cutwater: и не читал стандарт С++ // я думаю тут еще ANSI C
[14:33:25] Tony: cutwater, если убрать cout
[14:33:25] cutwater: и компилятор может по-разному оптимизировать да.
[14:33:35] cutwater: Tony: ну не суть важно. я обычно ссылаюсь на стандарт С++
[14:33:59] Cyrus08: x = ++x + x++; ?
если перед, то икремент и присваивание. если после, то присванивание и инкремент.
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[14:34:17] Tony: cutwater, ну вот я обычно говорю что на С++ вообще почти не писал. ибо не могу сказать с полной уверенностью что знаю его хотябы на 10%
[14:35:01] cutwater: Cyrus08: говоря простым языком, если значение изменяется между точками следования больше одного раза - поведение не определено
[14:35:09] levsha: а еще весёлая запись (но уже задачка на другое) это распарсить запись x+++x
[14:35:12] cutwater: Cyrus08: компилятор может оптимизировать как угодно
[14:35:34] levsha: cutwater: не обязательно
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[14:36:02] levsha: изменяется один раз, но поведение не определено
[14:37:02] cutwater: ойли.
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[14:44:01] cutwater: levsha: вот я щас уточню этот момент. мне кажется что тут ты заблуждаешься.
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[14:46:36] cutwater: да таки
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[14:48:56] levsha: короче нефик так писать
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[14:49:07] cutwater: levsha: это и так ясно
[14:49:23] cutwater: Cyrus08: короче говоря иннкременты - зло и не нужны в большинстве случаев.
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[14:52:56] Cyrus08: http://pastebin.com/pPrc6mzS
нельзя ли в двумерном массиве динамически создавать индексы (типа как append в одномерном)? тут юзать словарь надо?
[14:53:06] cutwater: щито?
[14:53:41] cutwater: дык у тебя же элементов по этим индексам не существует
[14:54:05] Cyrus08: во время выполнения эти элементы можно создавать? это я и хочу узнать...
[14:54:18] Cyrus08: в одномерном через append можно)
[14:54:37] cutwater: а чем он отличается от "двумерного".
[14:54:46] cutwater: это вообще не двумерный а список списков
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[14:55:46] cutwater: http://ideone.com/wXZTY
например так
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[14:57:34] cutwater: http://ideone.com/JqOMR
ну или в твоем стиле...
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[14:59:02] Cyrus08: второй стиль не так ломает мой мозг :D
идею понял..
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[15:06:04] Ляпатяпа: первый гораздо охуеннее
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[15:06:36] Ляпатяпа: я бы может и в одно выражение написал, с разбитием внутри строками
[15:07:31] cutwater: ну да я бы тоже написал
[15:07:35] Ляпатяпа: src = [[random.randint(-100, 100) for x in range(10)] for i in range(10)]
[15:07:38] cutwater: угу
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[15:10:11] Cyrus08: омг. брейнфак какой-то
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[15:13:33] cutwater: Cyrus08: да ладно
[15:13:38] cutwater: всего лишь list comprehensions
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[15:18:23] cutwater: Cyrus08: алсо зачем тебе двумерные массивы?
[15:19:32] Cyrus08: cutwater: сейчас ради изучения. а так, например, выборки из бд
[15:19:41] cutwater: О_О
[15:19:46] mishok13: выборки?
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[15:19:54] cutwater: там не нужны двумерные массивы да
[15:20:04] cutwater: Cyrus08: ты не на пхп пишешь
[15:20:25] Cyrus08: не знаю как в питоне, но в похапэ это так (часть логики от туда пока прет :-$ )
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[15:20:46] cutwater: Cyrus08: ты должен забыть все что знал на PHP
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[15:22:18] levsha: откуда в похапе вообще взялась логика, да еще и в таких количествах, чтобы переть?
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[15:22:44] mishok13: выборки тебе дают список кортежей, зачастую
[15:22:50] mishok13: иногда список словарей
[15:23:37] mishok13: вообще, http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249/ описывает стандартную схему общения с базой
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[15:23:52] mishok13: ну и интерфейсы, котороые у тебя буду в наличии
[15:24:57] cutwater: mishok13: ну для него список кортежей - все равно что двумерный массив ядумаю
[15:25:26] Cyrus08: cutwater: кортежи не изменяемые элементы, не?
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[15:26:42] Ляпатяпа: да
[15:26:45] cutwater: Cyrus08: неизменяемый контейнер да
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[15:36:10] kwis: Здравствуйте товарищи!
[15:36:24] kwis: Есть люди работавшие с xlrd?
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[15:54:35] kwis: Задаю вопрос, есть ячейки вида 0988098 почему sheet.cell(row_index,col_index).value получается 0988098,0
[15:54:36] kwis: ???
[15:55:03] cutwater: тип ячейки?
[15:55:12] cutwater: ну свойства в смысле.
[15:55:36] kwis: я в екселе выставлял как текст
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[15:55:50] kwis: разницы никакой
[15:56:03] kwis: хоть бери да сам откидывай тот нолик с запятой
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[15:57:53] cutwater: ну по логике вещей казалось бы при чем тут локаль к текстовому полю...
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[16:00:15] mishok13: does not compute
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[16:05:13] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/46088/ как быть с этим варнингом?
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[16:06:04] Magister Yoda: cutwater: и тебе привет
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[16:06:41] cutwater: Magister Yoda: а ты уже ответил на все вопросы, что мы тебе ссылку давали?
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[16:07:59] Magister Yoda: какую ещё ссылку?
[16:09:07] cutwater: http://pyobject.ru/blog/2010/02/04/python-quiz/
[16:09:37] cutwater: когда ответишь на эти вопросы, будешь задавать тут свои.
[16:09:39] Magister Yoda: не кидал никто мне этой ссылки
[16:09:54] cutwater: ну вот я тебе ее щас кинул
[16:10:10] Magister Yoda: ок
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[16:12:59] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ответы можешь писать сюда
[16:15:43] cutwater: Magister Yoda: кстати ты бы мог воспользоваться гуглом и найти ответ на свой вопрос.
[16:15:48] cutwater: https://bugs.launchpad.net/beautifulsoup/+bug/727014
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[16:16:04] cutwater: Magister Yoda: но конечно добрые люди из pythonua@ погуглят за тебя.
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[16:23:26] Magister Yoda: cutwater: мог бы не переутруждаться
[16:24:15] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ты на вопросы отвечай давай
[16:25:22] Magister Yoda: мне сейчас не до этого
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[16:26:26] cutwater: вместо того чтобы учить питон, зачем, тут добрые люди всегда помогут и даже за тебя напишут.
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[16:30:35] mishok13: http://www.developers.org.ua/forums/topic/3708/ стартапер такой стартапер :)
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[16:31:30] cutwater: да читал
[16:31:37] cutwater: =)
[16:31:54] cutwater: тут вопрос по регулярке есть.. вот щас сам думаю как заглядывание вперед назад составить
[16:32:05] cutwater: надо заменить слово исключая случаев когда оно внутри тега находится.
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[16:41:28] cutwater: Typhon: ну я догадался.
[16:41:30] Typhon: "хуй (?!пизда)"
[16:41:30] cutwater: вот колдую
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[16:58:59] webninja: привет
[16:59:03] webninja: парни слушайте такую тему
[16:59:28] webninja: я тут прочитал что можно так easy_install "somethis<=0.8"
[16:59:35] webninja: а пипом можно так?
[17:00:01] slav0nic: :/
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[17:00:13] slav0nic: дока не грузится чтоли?
[17:00:18] webninja: :\
[17:00:39] webninja: интернета нет )
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[17:01:05] webninja: + синдром йода
[17:01:19] slav0nic: можно конечно
[17:01:49] mishok13: можно
[17:02:07] webninja: круто спасиб )
[17:02:10] webninja: я не знал
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[17:09:29] webninja: это самое а пилонс уже не поддерживается?
[17:09:47] cutwater: нет
[17:09:50] cutwater: pyramid да
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[17:17:52] cutwater: Magister Yoda: python изучай @ на вопросы отвечай
[17:17:57] cutwater: быстро @ решительно
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[18:23:28] kwis: народ, как любой тип данных конвертировать в строку?
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[18:25:12] maxp: внезапно! :)
[18:25:38] kwis: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 4-10: ordinal not in range(128)
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[18:27:10] kwis: когда делаю так a.encode('UTF-8') получается ошибка 'float' object has no attribute 'encode'
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[18:29:18] maxp: весь код покажи
[18:29:42] webninja: ага
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[18:29:52] maxp: и надо, конечно, сперва определиться, что значит "любой тип данных в строку"
[18:29:53] kwis: там все страшно, я циклом перебираю данные, данные бывают разных типов
[18:30:06] maxp: любой тип имеет право вообще в строку не конвертиться
[18:30:19] maxp: kwis:
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[18:30:30] maxp: тупой, но работающий вариант
[18:30:31] webninja: ага конверт в строку это просто вызов метода __str__ или __unicode__
[18:30:38] maxp: try: return str(a)
[18:30:48] maxp: except UnicodeEncodeError::
[18:31:04] maxp: return codecs.encode(a,'utf-8')
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[18:32:13] maxp: упс
[18:32:19] maxp: codecs - это не там
[18:32:40] maxp: но прочитать про них полезно - http://docs.python.org/library/codecs.html
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[18:55:12] _lorien: http://translated.by/you/unicode-howto/into-ru/ жесть, не успел залить документ и перевести пару абзацев, как кто-то тоже начал его переводить :)
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[21:26:20] Magister Yoda: помогите пожалуйста соствить регэкспу
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[21:28:42] _lorien: re.compile(r'.*')
[21:28:45] Magister Yoda: строка может быть двух видов http://dumpz.org/46158/
[21:28:55] Magister Yoda: спасибо. про это я знаю
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[21:29:08] Magister Yoda: просто рано написал первое предложение)
[21:29:14] Kizikhi: Ребят, как вывести список стандартных библиотек?
[21:29:32] _lorien: Magister Yoda: что конкретно не получается?
[21:29:33] Magister Yoda: в круглые скобки я выделил то что мне надо искать
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[21:29:55] Magister Yoda: ну поиск (-) получился))))
[21:30:06] Magister Yoda: а вот со второй строкой сложнее
[21:30:17] Magister Yoda: почему-то не хочет искаться
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[21:30:56] _lorien: такое не нужно искать одной регуляркой, вторую строку нужно обрабатывать множеством регулярок, на каждый фрагмент свою писать. ТАк проще будет.
[21:31:04] _lorien: В частности, проще будет найти ошибку.
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[21:32:25] _lorien: Kizikhi: sys.builtin_module_names
[21:33:12] Magister Yoda: регулярка перечислением возможных символов выглядит примерно так - (0123456789абв\-)?
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[21:33:58] Magister Yoda: просто писал регулярки для jQuery - там можно было писать именно так
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[21:36:38] levsha: Yoda у нас принципиально не читает документацию? Или может у него дефекты какие?
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[21:42:21] _lorien: Magister Yoda: ты тупой, что ли, прости за вопрос?
[21:42:37] _lorien: читай доки, RTFM, гугл
[21:42:43] _lorien: Твои вопросы тупые.
[21:42:46] cutwater: _lorien: а это так заметно?
[21:42:48] _lorien: Они бесят людей.
[21:42:58] _lorien: Меня не очень бесят, но я хочу помочь тебе :)
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[21:43:49] _lorien: Это тупо спрашивать такие основы, искусство программирования не в том, чтобы что-то уметь (опыт отдельная тема), а в том, чтобы находить ответы на вопросы. Если спрашивать каждый раз вопросы у других, то сам никогда не поймёшь ничего.
[21:44:18] cutwater: levsha: да у него просто проблемы с умственным развитием. ну пожалеть надо штоле
[21:44:24] cutwater: на 3м курсе а такой глупенький...
[21:44:37] cutwater: явно же отклоения в нормальном развитии
[21:44:39] _lorien: 3-ий курс? Больше на детсад похоже :)
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[21:45:59] cutwater: я ему предложил прорешать задачи которые Юрий Юревич давал, чтобы Йода не выглядел полным идиотом
[21:46:16] cutwater: но он почему-то не захотел =)
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[21:47:27] Tony: кому интересно. redmine + hg запинал после обновления до 1.1.2
[21:47:57] levsha: собственно выбор профессии программиста должен предполагать умение читать документацию, умение находить там ответит ны вопросы, особенно базоывае
[21:48:22] cutwater: levsha: дык он же в Педе учится... преподом будет по информатике каким-нибудь в лучшем случае...
[21:48:35] levsha: но некоторые почему-то на подобные замечания возмущаются "а вы все сразу умными родились, да?". Очевидно не могут понять, что вопрос не в уме, и не в наличии знаний
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[21:48:45] cutwater: levsha: ну это стандартная отмазка.
[21:49:04] cutwater: levsha: на самом деле я думаю проблема в усилиях затраченных на получение информации.
[21:49:15] cutwater: когда я начинал учиться, было и спросить то особо не у кого...
[21:49:51] levsha: может быть. А как только вознакает опасность необходимости приложить усилия, то сразу возникает мысль "легче спросить"
[21:49:52] cutwater: приходилось разбираться самому, по книжкам, а если вспомнить мои первые шаги, так интернет был дорогой и медленный, информация вся была в офлайне...
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[21:51:02] cutwater: levsha: некоторые вещи простые действительно лечге спросить. но это когда на работе есть допустим человек, который делает эту часть проекта, а тебе быстро надо что-то поправить... или когда разбираешься в чужом коде не всегда есть возможность таки долбиться в чужих исходниках, проще спросить
[21:51:17] cutwater: а так мне почему-то кажется что быстрей загуглить чем ждать пока тебе ответят
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[21:51:44] cutwater: Magister Yoda: согласен?
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[21:52:16] Magister Yoda: нет
[21:52:25] cutwater: levsha: дак еще ладно ну признал бы Йода, что идиот и не лечится... дак при этом у человека ЧСВ зашкаливает.
[21:52:33] Magister Yoda: пиздёж
[21:52:54] cutwater: Magister Yoda: какие ваши аргументы?
[21:53:39] Magister Yoda: а Ваши?
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[21:53:46] cutwater: приведены выше и не раз ну
[21:54:06] Magister Yoda: :-D тут как-то сложновато привести аргументы того что это не так
[21:54:13] Magister Yoda: это не аргументы
[21:55:06] cutwater: Magister Yoda: то что ты идиот, принципиально не читающий документацию, не умеющий пользоваться поисковиками и головой - факт. доказано твоими вопросами, нежеланием учиться, завышеным ЧСВ.
[21:55:32] Magister Yoda: Я параллельно гуглю и задаю вопрос тут
[21:55:37] cutwater: Magister Yoda: вот мы и делаем выводы, может у тебя дефекты какие, ты нам скажи, мы наседать так не будем.
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[21:56:20] Magister Yoda: ну, если ты считаешь, что я "дефектный", то и не прикапывайся, а помогай :-D
[21:56:31] cutwater: Magister Yoda: дык скан справки то покажи.
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[21:56:53] Magister Yoda: меня особо не волнует кем ты меня считаешь, и кем ты возомнил себя
[21:57:31] Magister Yoda: а не треснет ничо? может тебе ещё и паспорт показать?
[21:57:33] cutwater: Magister Yoda: дак не один я считаю, не находишь?
[21:57:33] wiz: _lorien, а у тебя банхаммер там далеко?..
[21:57:55] cutwater: wiz: да его принципиально не банят ну. а раз не банят, можно и срачик закатить.
[21:57:56] Magister Yoda: пффф, да пожалуйста. баньте наздоровье
[21:58:08] cutwater: а забанить было бы полезно
[21:58:26] cutwater: либо научится сам решать свои проблемы, либо пойдет таки преподом работать...
[21:58:29] levsha: Magister Yoda: понимаешь, если у тебя такие дефекты, то помогать можно разве что деньгами. Программиста с тебя всё-равно не выйдет. Да и не поможет помощь в виде отвечания на вопросы из учебников стать программистом
[21:58:29] Magister Yoda: cutwater: бань
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[21:59:04] _lorien: я не могу в pidgin забанить, это тупое поделие не умеет обрабатывать ники с пробелом )
[21:59:26] Magister Yoda: отмазон какой-то
[21:59:36] cutwater: нет пиджин действительно говно
[21:59:43] cutwater: для джаббера особенно
[21:59:59] cutwater: Magister Yoda: так может расскажешь, чего ты вообще сам-то пытаешься добиться?
[22:00:06] Magister Yoda: ну дык вроде бот есть
[22:00:10] Magister Yoda: через него
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[22:01:19] cutwater: Magister Yoda: отвечай на мои ответы. зачем полез в Python и вообще программинг? какова твоя цель?
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[22:01:49] _lorien: я подумал, что раз ты говоришь, баньте пожалуйста, то можно и забанить, но с ботом мне лень разбираться, магистр, напомни завтра днём модерам, думаю, кто-нибудь выполнит твою просьбу )
[22:02:01] cutwater: =)
[22:02:19] cutwater: _lorien: кстати до этого ни разу не видел чтобы тут кого-то из участников банили. эпичненько.
[22:02:31] _lorien: да нет, банили кого, я сам вроде банил )
[22:02:40] cutwater: ну может Стаса какого-нибудь разве что
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[22:03:41] levsha: Magister Yoda: то, что ты становишься в позу, не делает чести. Люди ж в самом деле хотят понять в чём дело, а не обидеть тебя
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[22:04:43] cutwater: неправда. /me хочет обидеть. тем самым провоцируя 3 возможных исхода - человек осознает и самомотивируется, человек словит баттхерт и доставит лулзов, человек расплачется и уйдет из профессии (всем же лучше).
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[22:43:27] _lorien: http://translated.by/you/unicode-howto/into-ru/trans/?page=2 нормально первый абзац перевёл?
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[22:49:54] Kizikhi: _lorein, спасибо большое
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[22:59:55] _lorien: о, это баба, похоже, которая тоже доку переводит :)
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[23:04:11] Typhon: _lorien, Knivy?
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[23:08:11] _lorien: ага
[23:08:31] _lorien: — Насчёт на языке Apple ][ BASIC - не уверена. — Knivy
[23:08:47] _lorien: Правда её перевод мне показался корявым, но я не стал править :)
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[23:22:14] gigimon: _lorien: познакомься
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[23:22:34] _lorien: у меня есть баба, мне хватает )
[23:23:25] gigimon: :)
[23:23:41] gigimon: спрошу такой нескромный вопрос, анимешников нет? :)
[23:23:56] Typhon: все анимешники на haskell@c.j.r.
[23:23:57] Typhon: тру стори
[23:24:05] gigimon: %)
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[23:55:13] Kizikhi: Ребят, помогите пожалуйста, такая неприятная вещь творится с апплетом часов на панельке в Linux Mint. Сейчас вышлю скриншот. Он собака стал открываться не там где надо, убегает немного выше панельки. =(
[23:55:20] Kizikhi: Вот линк - http://img193.imageshack.us/i/screengt.png/
[23:55:43] Kizikhi: Юзаю Linux Mint 10ой версии
[23:55:50] Kizikhi: уже и Гнома перезапускал
[23:55:55] Kizikhi: и тачку сколько раз ребутал
[23:56:10] Kizikhi: тупит что-то этот календарь
[23:56:13] Kizikhi: не могу понять почему
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[23:56:19] Kizikhi: при том, что изначально все было нормально
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[23:57:18] Kizikhi: он открывался впритык к панельке как и положено
[23:57:23] Kizikhi: а сейчас почему-то выше
[23:57:31] Kizikhi: может кто сможет помочь советом?
[23:57:58] Kizikhi: gigimon, тут? ты вроде под иксами сидишь?
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[23:59:47] gigimon: на мак оси я