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[00:20:22] nmk: а как бы так засинхронизировать треды, типа запустил 10 тредов, они там куда-то стукнули и получили данные. но мне надо в массив эти данные записать в том порядке, в котором эти треды стучали. т.е. если все уже выполнились, а первый нет, то все ждут первого. как бы это сделать на ночь глядя? :)
[00:21:01] Typhon: эм, второй join первого, третий join второго
[00:21:08] Typhon: что-то типа того
[00:21:32] Tony: nmk, в twisted бы красиво получилось.
[00:21:47] Typhon: либо вообще просто в очередь скидывай (ident, answer)
[00:21:55] Typhon: а там сортирнёшь уже
[00:22:17] nmk: join низя, там же в цикле все. в очередь не хочется, там все же довольно много данных
[00:22:20] Typhon: (либо приоритиКью по ident)
[00:22:36] Typhon: nmk, почему джойн нельзя? parent в аргументах
[00:22:45] Typhon: в теле треда join parent If parent is not None
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[00:23:03] nmk: так все треды постоянно работают
[00:23:11] nmk: никто из них не заврешается
[00:23:14] Typhon: хм
[00:23:18] nmk: мне просто надо что бы они в очередь все кидали в нужном порядке
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[00:24:02] nmk: можно как-то при старте увеличивать и запоминать атомарно переменную, потом ждать пока она не станет нужной.. но как-то через жопу
[00:24:51] Typhon: а чем вариант с ПриоритиКЬю не нравится тогда?
[00:25:28] Typhon: хотя там если тред 5 отработал, а тред 1 ещё нет, а читатель обратится к очереди, он результат 5 получит, а не будет ждать первоо
[00:25:38] nmk: обработать успеется до того как придет первый
[00:25:45] nmk: ну да
[00:25:59] nmk: можно конечно массив из локов сделать
[00:26:02] nmk: и ждать предыдущий
[00:26:10] nmk: а первому всех остальных
[00:26:13] nmk: но как-то не меньше через жопу
[00:26:20] nmk: надо че-то почитать, короче :)
[00:26:32] Typhon: можно передумать задачу попробовать :-)
[00:26:43] Typhon: какой-то такой параллельный пайплайн получается у тебя, типа
[00:27:29] Tony: nmk, у тебя независимая софтина?
[00:27:33] nmk: ну, к одному сервису есть канал с серьезным latency, но канал большой. в один поток все медленно. в десять потоков все в 10 раз быстрее. :)
[00:27:50] nmk: Tony: ну. наверное да :)
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[00:28:11] Tony: nmk, вот по сути что ты делаешь вкладывается в обычный deferred queue
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[00:28:59] nmk: ну, я думал асинкор заюзать. но очень не хочется разбираться в протоколе этой софтины :)
[00:29:06] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/concurrent.futures.html?highlight=futures#concurrent.futures.Executor.map
[00:29:26] Typhon: походу, подходит, жаль 3.2 :-)
[00:29:43] Tony: nmk, ну так заюзай twisted, я как недельку голову погрел с подобными задачами, мне грамотные люди посоветовали. с тех пор только кайф в подобных задачах )
[00:29:45] nmk: ох. расстроил только :)
[00:30:03] nmk: Tony: так один хер протокол самому лабать
[00:30:16] Typhon: nmk, был streams.py на гитхабе или бб, с чем-то похожим, не могу найти
[00:30:25] Tony: nmk, у тебя питоновские скрипты обмениваются по протоколу?
[00:30:37] Typhon: https://github.com/aht/stream.py
[00:30:41] Typhon: nmk, ^^^
[00:30:48] nmk: Tony: не. там некая софтина
[00:30:59] Typhon: глянь-ка, было там что-то похожее на то, что надо тебе.
[00:31:05] Tony: nmk, ну тогда и протоколы свои легко писать на twisted то. :)
[00:31:26] Tony: nmk, кароче если интересно посмотришь http://twistedmatrix.com по мне так везде где нужна асинхроность нужен twisted
[00:32:27] nmk: Typhon: о. спс. завтра покопаю. вроде что-то есть.
[00:32:43] nmk: Tony: на твистед время надо. я боюсь его :)
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[00:32:59] Typhon: вот я тоже помню, что "что-то было", хз насколько подойдёт -- расскажи, как в итоге замутишь
[00:33:04] Tony: nmk, ну а так ты времени куда больше убьешь
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[00:34:30] nmk: Tony: да не. тут у меня простор большой. я просто хотел покрасивше что. так то я могу скажем 10 мегабайт в файл списать и отсортировать, потом отдать в процессинг и параллельно новый файл набирать :)
[00:36:52] nmk: спасибо вообщем, могу спокойно спать пойти :) а то ведь и не заснуть же было :)
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[09:13:04] py_two: вроде интом не получается:)
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[10:15:21] Darth Лис: http://santyaho91.livejournal.com/1367679.html
[10:15:37] cutwater: wiz_: убунту вроде как бы какашки скидывает в disp-packages и судя по всему и не помогает
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[11:46:51] foobarblah: ребята глюк сума сводит, в теге шаблона Model.objects.all() возвращает выборку в которой каждый объект 3 раза повторяется ЧТО ЗА НАФИК
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[12:11:10] inzem: как мне настроить http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=70031
[12:11:59] inzem: oracle +django + apache + nginx чтобы одна часть работала в DMZ а другая в локалке
[12:12:22] inzem: тут надо что то в эту связку так понимаю внедрить
[12:13:06] inzem: или вообще возможные способы работы хотелось бы услышать
[12:13:16] inzem: или даже размышления :)
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[12:16:53] Sevenov: По ссылке какая-то неведомая и невнятная хуйня.
[12:17:24] Typhon: import httplib %)
[12:17:35] Typhon: и запрашивать сколько влезет
[12:17:57] Typhon: я не понимаю слова типа "внедрить", "связка" и прочее, это каким-то SAP'ом отдаёт ^_^
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[12:21:14] Sevenov: sap - semyonov artyom pavlovich, nyaaaa~
[12:23:53] mishok13: MOAR WSDL
[12:25:10] mishok13: бляха, билеты на европитон позволяют тебе указать Python Power
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[12:25:14] mishok13: щито это
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[12:25:24] Typhon: уровень скила своего
[12:25:37] Typhon: ninja, rockstar и т.д.
[12:25:42] Typhon: :) наверное
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[12:28:12] Sevenov: mishok13, пейши "elf 86lvl"
[12:28:40] mishok13: хуйня, ты только количество звьоздачек можешь выставить
[12:28:44] Typhon: inzem: ну то есть, если есть какой-то сервис с http апи внешний, то ты из джанго-вьюх делаешь к нему запросы и всё, либо модель пишешь, которая будет запросы делать
[12:28:48] Typhon: mishok13: максимум ставь
[12:29:53] Sevenov: mishok13, выстави 86 звезд.
[12:30:09] mishok13: Sevenov, там диапазон 1..5
[12:30:11] mishok13: :(
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[12:30:13] Sevenov: ЧОРТ
[12:30:23] Sevenov: Они слишком жестоки, слишком.
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[12:35:25] Typhon: mishok13: 3.1415 ставь
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[12:35:44] mishok13: у них там int
[12:36:08] Typhon: КАК ПО ВЕНАМ РЕЖУТ, СВОЛАЧИ!
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[12:37:51] inzem: Typhon, типпичная работа сайта, только не апач вызывает скрипт питон, а питон обращается за запросами к апачу
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[12:38:22] Typhon: inzem: ну, httplib и запрашивай сколько влезет :-)
[12:38:45] Typhon: в модельку это оберни, чтобы абстрагироваться во вьюхе
[12:38:47] inzem: а где будут хранится эти запросы ?
[12:39:11] Typhon: это уж как сам хочешь
[12:39:29] Typhon: если там два разных запроса, можно в коде положить, например ;-)
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[12:40:02] inzem: все равно не понял
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[12:40:24] Typhon: что именно?
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[12:40:33] inzem: апач принимает запрос, далее он должен его куда то сохранить,
[12:40:55] inzem: а django обращается к этому хранилищу за запросом и потом в него и складывает
[12:40:59] inzem: ответ
[12:41:09] inzem: а апач этот ответ отдает клиенту
[12:41:26] Typhon: эээыы
[12:41:40] inzem: что то у меня в голове не укладывается
[12:41:45] mishok13: WUT
[12:41:49] Typhon: client -> django -> [ СТОРОННИЙ СЕРВИС С ГНОМАМИ ]
[12:42:07] Typhon: client <- django < - [ СТОРОННИЙ СЕРВИС С ГНОМАМИ ]
[12:42:40] Typhon: сторонний сервис может быть бд, фс, китайцем, http сервером, чем угодно
[12:43:15] Typhon: для случаев с БД в джанге есть инструменты, для всего остального, надо написать своё, например модельку, оборачивающую HttpRequest
[12:43:25] Typhon: в смысле, httplib
[12:44:19] Typhon: inzem: можешь попробовать нарисовать схемку свою, со стрелочками, что куда кто отдаёт и запрашивает :-)
[12:44:36] inzem: ща попробую
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[12:45:44] Typhon: "апач принимает запрос" и вот тут он не сохраняет его куда-то, а отдаёт джанге
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[14:24:30] nmk: Typhon: короче я решил без изъебов. беру 10к данных, сортирую, отдаю дальше. :)
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[14:29:56] Typhon: :-) а в streams.py не оказалось того, что нужно?
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[14:32:37] nmk: не.
[14:33:00] nmk: точнее что-то было, но я уже забыл что.
[14:33:15] nmk: проснулся невыспавшимся и быстренько на коленке накатал. работает вроде
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[15:08:33] py_two: может кто-то поделиться простеньким рабочим парсером гугла ?:)
[15:08:40] webninja: xgoogle
[15:08:43] py_two: чтобы там с клоцаньем по страницам выдачи было
[15:08:46] webninja: !g xgoogle
[15:09:09] webninja: !g парсинг выдачи гугла python
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[15:09:16] py_two: webninja: а его перетачить можно на яшу там или на бинг ?
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[15:09:21] py_two: или он чисто под гугл
[15:09:25] webninja: там хардкод местами
[15:09:49] webninja: ну ваще этот кэтонмэт выложил его на гитхаб щаз там его майнтейнят разные люди
[15:10:14] py_two: webninja: короче надо что-то вменяемоке
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[15:11:28] webninja: а яшу и бинг, ну хз там писать то самому немного
[15:11:35] webninja: вон grab возьми да сделай по быстрому
[15:11:39] webninja: !g grab
[15:11:46] webninja: !g grab python
[15:11:57] webninja: !g grab bitbucket
[15:12:01] webninja: во
[15:12:42] webninja: канешно основу можно взять от xgoogle
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[15:23:15] Kizikhi: _lorein, привет, хочу тебя поблагодарить за вчерашнюю наводку на символические ссылки. Всё получилось. Я изменил её, теперь у меня по умолчанию запускается интерпретатор Питона 3,1 версии. Большое спасибо.
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[16:20:10] Kizikhi: Ребят, а что за изменение такое? Теперь в третьей ветке print something не канает, нужно писать print (something).
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[16:20:43] gigimon: да
[16:20:46] gigimon: принт стал функцией
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[16:21:46] gigimon: в 3 много изменений относительно 2
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[16:24:53] Kizikhi: Из простого оператора превратили в функцию, а зачем?
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[16:25:39] Typhon: из сложного оператора сделали наконец логичную простую функцию
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[16:27:15] Kizikhi: разве это как-то влияет на написание программы?
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[16:27:24] xa4a: очевидно, да
[16:27:26] xa4a: теперь надо пистаь ()
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[16:27:52] Kizikhi: в php помоему тоже нужно писать ()
[16:27:54] Kizikhi: если я не ошибаюсь
[16:27:59] xa4a: нет
[16:28:08] xa4a: там просто echo "f off";
[16:28:12] xa4a: черт. палюсь
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[16:28:18] Kizikhi: а да, да, да )
[16:28:20] Kizikhi: там же " "
[16:28:24] Kizikhi: совсем забыл )
[16:28:36] Kizikhi: =D "палюсь" говорит )
[16:28:51] xa4a: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3105/
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[16:31:30] Kizikhi: Да но ведь после объявления функции ставится двоеточие. =) Какая-то обособленная функция у них получилась.
[16:31:55] gigimon: эээ
[16:31:58] gigimon: Kizikhi: ты ее вызываешь
[16:32:01] gigimon: какое двоеточие?
[16:32:22] Kizikhi: аха, да точно
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[16:32:40] Kizikhi: и конечно же объявить функцию с таким названием нельзя будет
[16:32:46] xa4a: почему?
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[16:34:07] Kizikhi: ну как с переменными, некоторые имена заняты
[16:34:13] nott: не "нельзя", а "не стоит"
[16:34:17] Kizikhi: в данном случае это неприменимо?
[16:34:34] Kizikhi: я думаю путаница хорошая получится
[16:34:38] Kizikhi: если так делать
[16:34:54] Typhon: какие имена "заняты"?
[16:35:03] xa4a: имена заняты? Оо
[16:35:12] Typhon: есть builtin функции/значения — их не рекомендуется переопределять
[16:35:27] Kizikhi: and del for is raise
assert elif from lambda return
break else global not try
class except if or while
continue exec import pass yield
def finally in print
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[16:35:42] xa4a: это не имена
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[16:35:47] xa4a: это ключевые слова
[16:35:49] Kizikhi: ведь не любым именем можно называть переменную
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[16:36:20] Kizikhi: получается, что в данном случае можно будет спокойно объявить функцию print
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[16:36:26] Typhon: блядь
[16:36:33] xa4a: ты читал линк выше?
[16:36:42] xa4a: суть в том, что print был раньше ключевым словом, а стал просто функцией
[16:36:48] xa4a: как любая другая функция
[16:36:57] Typhon: Kizikhi: читай доки по тому питону, который учишь
[16:37:28] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/py3k/reference/lexical_analysis.html#keywords
[16:37:29] Kizikhi: да я понял, что он стал просто функцией))
[16:37:41] Kizikhi: просто меня это немного удивило )
[16:37:46] xa4a: это ок
[16:38:08] Kizikhi: :)
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[16:38:16] xa4a: это потому, что ты не читал ссылку на pep
[16:38:26] Kizikhi: угу
[16:38:50] Kizikhi: Блин, надо бы пойти поесть чего. А то такими темпами этот Питон меня точно сожрет, я худею на глазах. =D
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[16:44:32] Kizikhi: ребят, ну-ка гляньте нормально собрался?
[16:44:37] Kizikhi: 327 tests OK.
22 tests skipped:
test_bz2 test_codecmaps_cn test_codecmaps_hk test_codecmaps_jp
test_codecmaps_kr test_codecmaps_tw test_curses test_gdb
test_kqueue test_ossaudiodev test_smtpnet test_socketserver
test_startfile test_timeout test_tk test_ttk_guionly
test_urllib2net test_urllibnet test_winreg test_winsound
test_xmlrpc_net test_zipfile64
2 skips unexpected on linux2:
test_bz2 test_ttk_guionly
sys:1: ResourceWarning: unclosed file <_io.TextIOWrapper name='/dev/null' mode='a' encoding='UTF-8'>
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[16:46:53] xa4a: оно должно было написать
[16:47:07] wiz_: def print(self):
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[16:47:09] wiz_: le fu-
[16:47:24] xa4a: wiz: ?
[16:47:27] Typhon: wiz_: старый питон, чо
[16:47:31] wiz_: 2.7
[16:47:36] wiz_: тоесть 2.6
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[16:47:45] Kizikhi: это 3,2
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[16:47:56] xa4a: где ты такое старьё отрыл?
[16:48:05] wiz_: впрочем в 2.7 тоже инвалид
[16:48:15] Kizikhi: а вы не о моем тесте
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[16:48:27] xa4a: Kizikhi: если оно собралось и не упало - всё ок
[16:48:33] Typhon: ++
[16:48:38] Typhon: работает для тебя — значит ок
[16:48:44] Typhon: тебе шашечки или ехать, чо
[16:48:47] wiz_: во, а в 3.2 всё ок
[16:48:47] Kizikhi: Ясно, понял.
[16:48:50] Typhon: wiz_: нну ёба
[16:48:59] Kizikhi: Да, запустил в терминале интерпретатор, работает,
[16:49:01] Typhon: во втором же принт стэйтмент
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[16:55:07] Kizikhi: ребят, python3 установился в /usr/local/bin, а в /usr/bin его нет, там только 2,6 лежит
[16:55:11] Kizikhi: это ничего?
[16:55:22] gigimon: ничего
[16:55:25] gigimon: симлинк!
[16:55:32] gigimon: если тебе так он нужен в /usr/bin
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[16:55:49] Kizikhi: да, симлинк сейчас перенаправлю
[16:55:57] Kizikhi: просто, если допустим ставить через синаптик
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[16:56:01] Kizikhi: тот же 3,1
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[16:56:06] Kizikhi: он ставится в /usr/bin
[16:56:24] Kizikhi: а вот, если собирать из сырцов 3,2 он почему-то лезет /usr/local/bin
[16:56:38] Typhon: и?
[16:56:54] Kizikhi: почему ведут себя по разному )))\
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[16:58:25] xa4a: Kizikhi, сырцы - ОС-независимые
[16:58:35] xa4a: синаптик - нет
[16:58:48] Kizikhi: понял, спасибо
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[17:04:39] wiz_: как там правильно, if value == None или if value is None ?
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[18:51:27] vya: добрый день!
[18:52:02] vya: кто предложит какой-нибудь построитель отчетов для питона...
[18:52:20] vya: смотрел в инете... ничего интересного не смог найти (
[18:52:50] Typhon: reportlab
[18:52:54] Typhon: что такое построитель отчётов, btw
[18:52:55] Typhon: ?
[18:53:16] vya: reportlab я тоже впринципе смотрел
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[18:53:43] vya: хотелось что-нибудь типа кристал репорт ... красивое и удобное
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[18:54:32] vya: есть бд на мускуле, и веб-сервер где исполняется мой cgi
[18:55:04] vya: нужно красивые отчетики стоить из имеющихся данных
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[18:55:57] Typhon: /me не знает, что такое crystal report, но не видит совершенно проблем в задаче
[18:56:09] Typhon: олсо, cgi? really?
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[18:56:37] tilarids: чую дух дельфи
[18:56:38] cutwater: омг
[18:56:38] Typhon: и я всё ещё не понимаю, что такое "красивые отчётики". ну то есть, выводить текст питон умеет.
[18:56:54] cutwater: да тырпрайзненько
[18:57:06] cutwater: Typhon: а вот я тоже никогда не понимал
[18:57:13] cutwater: может ему нужен "компонент"?
[18:57:26] Typhon: /me не писал гуи
[18:57:48] tilarids: тогда ты не познал лиха
[18:57:56] cutwater: :-D
[18:58:12] cutwater: vya: дык вопрос в чем проблем?
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[18:59:08] vya: ребята, есть много хитрых систем, мол формируется шаблон красивенький с картинками корпоративными... и из какой-нибудь програмки подключаясь и подсовывая данные в результате получаем отчет...
[18:59:36] _lorien: http://fan-cpp.com/2011/04/%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8-python/
[18:59:43] vya: короче, просто хотел схалтурить и поменьше делать..
[19:00:02] cutwater: _lorien: вброс?
[19:00:29] _lorien: по-моему, человек искренне пишет )
[19:00:34] cutwater: диру?
[19:00:51] Typhon: stackoverflow.com/questions/131506/python-reporting
[19:00:55] cutwater: хм... казалось бы при чем public / private / protected к инкапсуляции =)
[19:01:05] _lorien: я кстати с ним бы поспорить даже не смогу т.к. я не совсем представляю, что есть инкапсуляция :D
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[19:01:21] cutwater: _lorien: ну он видно имел ввиду public / private / protected да
[19:01:30] cutwater: _lorien: по второму пункту он вообще отжег
[19:01:50] cutwater: после этого я бы назвал его идиотом и дальше не стал бы читать
[19:02:28] cutwater: self кстати няшка хотя бы потому что не надо выдумывать кучу префиксов к полям класса как это делают плюсовики
[19:02:57] Typhon: вброс какой-то
[19:03:03] Typhon: Полиморфизм – о боже, это реально нереально усложняет очень простой язык программирования
[19:03:08] cutwater: _lorien: короче пост именно по поводу того почему питон не С++
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[19:03:31] cutwater: Typhon: я и говорю. после этого высера человека кроме как идиотом не назовешь
[19:03:32] Typhon: fap-cpp
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[19:04:09] cutwater: ну хоть не почему питон не пхп
[19:04:23] tilarids: это школьник, расслабьтесь, дядьки
[19:04:35] cutwater: спасибо, Адмирал
[19:04:38] _lorien: да почему идиот, просто начинающий прогер
[19:04:49] cutwater: _lorien: кстати следующий пост про инкапсуляцию
[19:05:03] cutwater: _lorien: может его в джаберы призвать ? и популярно постебать^W объяснить
[19:05:38] cutwater: и кстати public / private / protected != инкапсуляция же ну
[19:05:44] cutwater: tilarids: ты согласен?
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[19:06:35] cutwater: он мне кстати напомнил Стаса aka Jython
[19:06:40] cutwater: !wtf стас
[19:06:43] _lorien: > создадим обьэкт класса
:D
[19:07:37] _lorien: он реально пишет объэкт, в других местах есть ещё )
[19:08:01] _lorien: > Члены-данные
:D
[19:08:12] cutwater: :-D
[19:08:17] cutwater: _lorien: предлагаю призвать его сюда
[19:08:29] _lorien: да делайте чо хотите :D
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[19:08:48] cutwater: :-D да мне лениво.
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[19:09:26] _lorien: ах, я прочитал всего его посты про питон, больше нету (
[19:09:43] cutwater: =(
[19:09:46] cutwater: зато свежак
[19:09:49] _lorien: http://fan-cpp.com/category/programming/python/ вот если чо тут можно насладивать
[19:09:54] _lorien: ой, насладиться )
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мде
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[19:11:26] _lorien: for i in range( 1, 11, 1 ):
for j in range( 1, 11, 1 ):
вот тоже прикольно :)
[19:11:55] cutwater: :-D
[19:12:41] cutwater: Блог лингвиста-программиста
обьэкт
згенерировать
...
[19:12:55] cutwater: лингвиста
[19:12:59] cutwater: мде
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[19:14:01] cutwater: _lorien: если знаешь плюсы тут веселей есть http://fan-cpp.com/2011/03/hugeint/
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[19:31:46] gigimon: http://fan-cpp.com/2011/04/инкапсуляция-в-классах-python/
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[22:08:33] bobry: товарищи, кто нибудь знает -- есть в природе что нибудь для работы с terminfo из python?
[22:08:47] bobry: я пока вижу только в curses пару функций -- но какого то интерфейса к самой базе там нет
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