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[00:21:32] RaD: всё обновил, зафиксил все выявленные косяки, остался только этот
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[00:22:35] RaD: сейчас приходится на время отрубать south в settings.py, но это такая кривизна, должен быть нормальный способ добавить модель в БД
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[08:08:36] gf: отрубать South чтоб добавить в базу таблицу: бессмысленно и беспощадно..
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[17:55:48] : piranha установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[18:08:53] Darth Лис: это jru чтоли?
[18:08:59] Darth Лис: я думал у меня глюки
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[18:09:33] Darth Лис: какой формат конфиг файла посоветуете?
[18:10:07] xa4a: .py
[18:10:48] Darth Лис: вариант
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[18:11:48] Darth Лис: xa4a: а если это будет .conf но с .py содержимым... eval-ить его просто?
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[18:13:00] xa4a: но зачем?
[18:13:02] xa4a: да
[18:13:22] xa4a: хотя на хахабре неделю нзад был флейм против .py конфигов
[18:13:35] xa4a: !g конфиги python ышеуЖрфикфрфикюкг
[18:13:41] Darth Лис: кто победил?
[18:13:52] xa4a: !g конфиги python site:habrahabr.ru
[18:13:54] Darth Лис: точнее, какие агрументы против были?
[18:14:01] xa4a: это не веб-скейл
[18:14:02] xa4a: эгм
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[18:14:18] Darth Лис: што?! :D
[18:14:42] xa4a: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/115893/
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[22:22:10] Kizikhi: Typhon, так чего ты против с++ высказался?
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[22:22:27] Typhon: Kizikhi, не нужен и отстой ^_^
[22:22:36] Kizikhi: почему?
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[22:24:52] Kizikhi: а как же понимание азов
[22:24:53] Kizikhi: ?
[22:25:33] Typhon: например поэтому: http://www.fefe.de/c++/c%2B%2B-talk.pdf
[22:25:47] Typhon: c ++ это не азы, это ошибка эволюции
[22:25:56] Typhon: азы тебе си даст и лисп, например
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[22:28:17] Kizikhi: ну лисп это уж совсем далеко
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[22:29:29] Kizikhi: кстати, а сейчас на лиспе что-то пишут?
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[22:30:38] Typhon: да, пишут.
[22:30:40] xa4a: емакс
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[22:30:50] Typhon: ещё пишут лиспы
[22:30:52] Typhon: на обжси
[22:30:59] Kizikhi: хорошо, такой вопрос, можно ли хорошо освоить python без знания всяких c++ и ему подобных?
[22:30:59] Typhon: в котором пускают сайты
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[22:31:11] Typhon: Kizikhi, с++ не нужен.
[22:31:30] Kizikhi: спасибо)
[22:31:36] Kizikhi: а то сбивали меня сегодня с пути )))
[22:31:38] Kizikhi: истинного
[22:31:49] Kizikhi: однако я все же стою перед дилемой
[22:32:21] Typhon: K&R
[22:32:34] Typhon: when in doubt, read K&R ^___^
[22:32:42] Kizikhi: я хотел бы начать изучать питон уже с третьей ветки, однако это немного затруднено невозможностью использованием популярных библиотек
[22:32:47] Kizikhi: :)
[22:32:57] Kizikhi: интересно как долго вторая ветка будет жить
[22:33:13] Typhon: начни что-то делать
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[22:33:47] Kizikhi: да я и начал потихонечку
[22:33:58] Kizikhi: до питона я был немного знаком с пхп
[22:34:08] Kizikhi: это мне дало представление о функциях, операторах
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[22:34:12] Kizikhi: ну и так далее
[22:34:21] Kizikhi: вот хочу я писать под Gnome
[22:34:30] Kizikhi: а с третьей веткой на данный момент это невозможно
[22:35:02] Kizikhi: вообще что вы посоветуете для написания кроссплатформенных программ?
[22:35:19] Kizikhi: Qt, Tkinter, GTK+ и ещё какая-то библиотека была
[22:35:20] Typhon: http server + javascript
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[22:35:29] Kizikhi: правда у них релизов давно не было
[22:35:45] Kizikhi: я о прикладном программировании
[22:35:48] Kizikhi: веб пока не интересует
[22:35:49] Typhon: я тоже
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[22:36:08] Kizikhi: хттп+ява+питон*
[22:36:09] Kizikhi: ?
[22:36:13] xa4a: нет
[22:36:19] xa4a: хттп+яваскрипт+питон
[22:36:49] Kizikhi: ну я яваскрипт и имел ввиду
[22:36:53] Kizikhi: просто сократил немного
[22:36:58] Kizikhi: однако его тоже учить придется)
[22:37:04] Kizikhi: а за 100 дел сразу браться не стоит
[22:37:21] Kizikhi: всё-равно это получится веб приложение
[22:37:34] xa4a: тогда сразу забей на gtk
[22:37:39] Kizikhi: почему?
[22:37:50] Kizikhi: чем гтк плох*
[22:37:51] Kizikhi: ?
[22:37:59] xa4a: на gtk неудобно писать веб-приложения
[22:38:08] Kizikhi: так речь не идет о веб приложениях
[22:38:16] Kizikhi: я говорю о системном программировании
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[22:38:20] xa4a: "всё-равно это получится веб приложение"
[22:38:40] Kizikhi: почему?
[22:38:50] xa4a: это от тебя фраза
[22:38:51] Typhon: для системного приложения гуи не нужен
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[22:39:43] Kizikhi: xa4a, я ранее написал о том, что интересуюсь прикладным, а Typhon, предложил хттп+ и т.д., ну я и сказал, что всё-равно это получится веб приложения. А я не хотел бы пока переходить к вебу.
[22:39:50] Kizikhi: как не нужен
[22:39:56] Kizikhi: вот пользуюсь я Pidgin
[22:40:02] Kizikhi: под него ведь гуи написан
[22:40:04] Kizikhi: без него никак)
[22:40:22] Kizikhi: нет конечно я не исключаю написания безгуевых программ
[22:40:25] Kizikhi: с них всё и начнется
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[22:40:31] Kizikhi: но окошки тоже хочется клепать
[22:41:06] xa4a: я вообще верю, что Qt >> Gtk
[22:41:07] Darth Лис: http://gunicorn.org/
боян?
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[22:41:11] xa4a: но разницы нет
[22:41:13] xa4a: Darth Лис: да
[22:41:26] xa4a: кстати о плюсах
[22:41:49] Darth Лис: xa4a: и как оно?
[22:42:04] xa4a: а, о плюсах всё.
[22:42:07] xa4a: Darth Лис: хз. не юзал
[22:42:18] Kizikhi: то есть Qt >> Gtk?
[22:42:29] Typhon: xa4a, Kizikhi qt и гтк на ойпаде заработают?
[22:42:47] Typhon: в смысле, без гемороя какого-нибудь, для конечного пользователя
[22:42:58] Kizikhi: на айпаде?
[22:42:59] Darth Лис: xa4a: оригинальный unicorn очень хорош
[22:43:03] xa4a: qt - на андроидах работает
[22:43:09] xa4a: tilarids писал недвно
[22:43:13] Darth Лис: одним словом, мега
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[22:43:23] Kizikhi: на айпаде ведь iOS там Objective-C используется
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[22:43:44] Kizikhi: интересно, про андроиды незнал
[22:43:54] Kizikhi: ну я как посмотрю Qt вообще достаточно вперед ушел
[22:44:05] Kizikhi: и под винду можно забацать
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[22:44:28] Kizikhi: говорят в Qt сейчас появилась возможность прикручивать нативные Gnome темы, если это так, тогда все сомнения отпадают
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[22:45:00] Typhon: а на афонах?
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[22:45:34] xa4a: Kizikhi: в куте сто лет как можно темы от gtk гонять
[22:45:43] xa4a: Typhon: там http + js :)
[22:45:53] Kizikhi: на айфонах тоже не льзя
[22:45:55] Kizikhi: нельзя
[22:46:05] Kizikhi: на всех iдевайсах Objective-C
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[22:46:15] Kizikhi: абсолютно во всех версиях iOS
[22:46:19] Typhon: ну вот, поэтому кроссплатформенно -- это http + js
[22:46:25] Kizikhi: будь то айфоновская, айподовская, или айпэдовская
[22:46:44] Kizikhi: Если хотите писать под яблоко надо писать на Objective-C
[22:46:57] Kizikhi: там свои фреймворки
[22:47:05] Kizikhi: там вообще своя хрень )
[22:47:12] Kizikhi: которую активно толкает эпл и только эпл
[22:47:18] Kizikhi: а вот андроид очень перспективен
[22:47:31] Kizikhi: он однозначно составит очень большую конкуренцию аЙдевайсам
[22:47:43] Kizikhi: только вот мультитач им догнать бы до эпловских
[22:47:49] Kizikhi: тогда можно будет о чем-то говорить
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[22:48:47] Typhon: про конкуренцию посмеялся
[22:49:05] Kizikhi: почему? же?
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[22:49:28] Kizikhi: у самого айфон
[22:49:41] Kizikhi: насколько доволен, настолько же и недоволен
[22:49:44] Kizikhi: никакой гибкости
[22:49:49] Kizikhi: на этом они и погорят
[22:50:04] Kizikhi: есть политика под которую они заставляют прогибаться всех
[22:50:17] xa4a: какой тебе не хватает гибкости?
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[22:50:31] Kizikhi: да, да джейл и вперёд
[22:50:40] Kizikhi: нет, всё это чушь
[22:50:52] Kizikhi: вся их политика, залоченые, серые телефоны
[22:50:58] Typhon: ?
[22:50:59] Kizikhi: негласная поддержка Саурика
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[22:51:10] xa4a: какой тебе не хватает гибкости?
[22:51:18] Kizikhi: с джейлом мне всего хватает
[22:51:23] gigimon: Kizikhi: анроиды тоже лочат
[22:51:23] Kizikhi: а вот из коробки
[22:51:28] gigimon: и под оператора, и чтобы не могли прошить
[22:51:31] Kizikhi: суки, не знал )
[22:51:44] gigimon: и да
[22:51:49] gigimon: айфоны есть нелоченые
[22:51:51] Typhon: Kizikhi, покупать приложения не пробовал?
[22:51:52] gigimon: неверлоки называются
[22:51:58] gigimon: в трети стран такие продаются
[22:52:12] Kizikhi: дело не только в приложениях
[22:52:25] gigimon: в айфоне есть убогий itunes и кривой
[22:52:35] Kizikhi: про айтьюнс согласен
[22:53:02] Kizikhi: по большому счету телефон должен быть телефоном, и никаких гемороев
[22:53:06] Kizikhi: вот была когда 3310
[22:53:10] Kizikhi: как всем хорошо было
[22:53:11] gigimon: :D
[22:53:17] Kizikhi: а сейчас весь мир ждет Геохота
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[22:53:34] Kizikhi: с его blackrain'ами
[22:53:52] Kizikhi: покупают дорогущие телефоны
[22:54:01] Kizikhi: пото по неосторожности, незнаю
[22:54:11] Kizikhi: *потом...
[22:54:18] Kizikhi: превращают его в кирпич )))
[22:54:30] Kizikhi: и всё оставшееся время любуются на него )
[22:54:40] Kizikhi: пока кто-то не анлокнет новый модем
[22:54:44] Kizikhi: если вообще анлокнет
[22:55:31] Kizikhi: у девушка злиться, что я с телефоном и линуксом провожу больше времени чем с ней )
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[22:55:40] Kizikhi: ладно линукс)
[22:55:44] Kizikhi: оно понятно
[22:55:50] gigimon: /me настроил 1 раз ифон и забил
[22:55:59] Kizikhi: ну да
[22:56:00] gigimon: только игры иногда меняю
[22:56:02] gigimon: и книги заливаю
[22:56:09] Kizikhi: а потом захотел поставить новую ветку прошивки ))) и всё по новой
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[22:56:15] gigimon: нафиг
[22:56:15] Kizikhi: гигмон
[22:56:17] gigimon: ставлю редко
[22:56:18] Kizikhi: по большому счету
[22:56:21] Kizikhi: я с тобой согласен
[22:56:21] gigimon: т.к. не вижу вкусностей
[22:56:25] Kizikhi: у меня трубка больше года
[22:56:27] Kizikhi: 3гс
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[22:56:31] Kizikhi: я один раз проставил
[22:56:33] gigimon: ну,у меня 3г уже второй
[22:56:34] Kizikhi: и забыл
[22:56:35] gigimon: год*
[22:56:38] Kizikhi: просто я
[22:56:40] Kizikhi: смотрю на ребят
[22:56:48] gigimon: да пиши ты больше слов в 1 предложении
[22:56:50] Kizikhi: которые толпами ходят ко мне разлачивать их
[22:57:02] Typhon: пусть покупают приложения легально, чо?
[22:57:12] Kizikhi: ан никто не хочет ведь )
[22:57:16] Typhon: хотят халявы -- пусть геморой получают, а чо?
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[22:57:24] Typhon: что не так то, я не пойму?
[22:57:31] Typhon: или андройд пусть берут, гг
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[22:57:37] gigimon: Typhon: хз, я с тобой согласен
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[22:57:42] Kizikhi: всё так, когда ты телефон покупаешь по человеческой цене
[22:57:47] Kizikhi: сколько стоит айфон в штатах?
[22:57:54] Kizikhi: 200 с чем-то баксов
[22:57:55] gigimon: 200 айфон и контракт
[22:58:06] Kizikhi: а его себестоимость около 170 долларов
[22:58:13] gigimon: ифон4 не лоченый без контракта 800 баксов
[22:58:13] xa4a: это вря дли
[22:58:16] Kizikhi: об этом официально заявлял эпл
[22:58:22] gigimon: покажи где
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[22:58:26] Kizikhi: поройся в нете
[22:58:27] gigimon: чтобы эппл такое говорил)
[22:58:32] gigimon: не верю!
[22:58:32] Kizikhi: об этом джобс где-то говорил про 3гс
[22:58:48] gigimon: об этом говорили люди
[22:58:52] gigimon: когда его разбирали
[22:58:55] Kizikhi: Не продавали бы его в штатах за 200, если б это было невыгодно.
[22:58:56] gigimon: по стоимости компонентов
[22:59:03] gigimon: они продают контракт в нагрузку
[22:59:08] Typhon: железки и сборка может и стоят 170 баксов
[22:59:10] Kizikhi: возможно, уже точно не прпомню
[22:59:28] gigimon: Typhon: ага, но только тут не учитывается пиар, разработка ос
[22:59:34] gigimon: накладные расходы
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[22:59:42] Kizikhi: ос можно оставить
[23:00:14] Kizikhi: у них явно расходы не превышают доходы
[23:00:29] xa4a: разработка входит в себестоимость же
[23:00:30] Kizikhi: почем незалоченый айфон в россии?
[23:00:49] gigimon: хз как вроссии, в украине барыги по 890 баксов продают
[23:00:57] gigimon: в европе за 700 можно купить новый нелоченый
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[23:01:11] gigimon: а 700 это ок цена, по сравнению с другими трубками
[23:01:12] Kizikhi: в Европе можно купить дешевле
[23:01:33] Kizikhi: в Молдове к примеру их Orange продает за 600 евро приблизительно
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[23:02:21] gigimon: ну и
[23:02:24] gigimon: обычная цена
[23:02:30] gigimon: для топ трубки
[23:02:47] Kizikhi: Штаты 200, в СНГ в пределах 600 евро
[23:02:48] Kizikhi: много
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[23:02:55] Kizikhi: однозначно много
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[23:03:07] Kizikhi: у нас с контрактом, или без всё-равно 600 евро
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[23:03:18] Kizikhi: чем мы хуже их
[23:03:19] Kizikhi: ?
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[23:03:27] Kizikhi: нас кормят этим дерьмом, а мы вынуждены его жрать
[23:03:29] Kizikhi: и говорить
[23:03:32] Kizikhi: ну и чо
[23:03:34] Kizikhi: обычная цена
[23:03:36] Kizikhi: для топ трубки
[23:03:44] Kizikhi: имхо
[23:03:45] xa4a: Kizikhi: пиши больше слов в предложении
[23:03:47] Kizikhi: возможно я ошибаюсь
[23:03:52] xa4a: с первого раза
[23:03:56] xa4a: или на paste.in.ua
[23:04:02] Kizikhi: постараюсь )))
[23:04:33] xa4a: видно, что ты на с++ не писал
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[23:04:41] Kizikhi: =D
[23:04:47] Kizikhi: а что с с++?
[23:04:55] xa4a: /me только что случайно написал имплементацию метода параметризованного класса
[23:05:02] gigimon: Kizikhi: не забывай в штатах КОНТРАКТ
[23:05:05] xa4a: декларация: template<class FD, class DE> int UsualDetectorMatcher<FD, DE>::matchImage(const cv::Mat& image, vector<cv::KeyPoint>& other_keypoints, cv::Mat& other_descriptors, vector<cv::DMatch> matches) const {
[23:05:10] Kizikhi: ну и у нас контракт
[23:05:18] Kizikhi: Европейская компания Orange
[23:05:27] Kizikhi: которая в Европе + контракт продает по одной цене
[23:05:32] Kizikhi: а у нас по 600 евро
[23:05:43] xa4a: глупый С++ с декларациями дольше, чем сами методы
[23:05:49] gigimon: ну это уже ваши местные проблемы :)
[23:06:01] gigimon: xa4a: диплом пишешь? :)
[23:06:07] Kizikhi: а на Украине разве не так же?
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[23:06:13] xa4a: gigimon: ага..)
[23:06:15] Kizikhi: или в России, не такая же разве ситуация?
[23:06:37] gigimon: в украине нету ифонов официально
[23:06:45] Kizikhi: во даете )
[23:06:50] gigimon: в россии 1к баксов, но без конракта
[23:07:06] Kizikhi: вообще официальную трубку покупать нет смысла
[23:07:19] Kizikhi: я достаточно часто катаюсь по СНГ
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[23:07:26] Kizikhi: меня пол года не было в Кишиневе
[23:07:30] Kizikhi: врубать роуминг
[23:07:35] gigimon: купи неверлок в европе и не парь мозг ни себе ни людям
[23:07:36] Kizikhi: смысла не было
[23:07:43] Kizikhi: я купил лок в Европе
[23:07:44] gigimon: или у барыг
[23:07:50] Kizikhi: + контракт
[23:07:54] Kizikhi: выцепил его за 300 евро
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[23:07:56] Kizikhi: разлочил
[23:07:58] Kizikhi: и не парюсь
[23:08:04] gigimon: ну вот видишь
[23:08:11] gigimon: так че тут плачишь о несправедливости?
[23:08:14] gigimon: у анроидов тоже самое
[23:08:17] gigimon: и порядок цен такой же
[23:08:22] Typhon: Kizikhi, сириоусли, в жаббер.ру достаточно божеские пределы на длину сообщений ;-)
[23:08:24] Kizikhi: не знал, что у андроидов тоже самое
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[23:10:23] Kizikhi: Ладно, не буду что-либо говорить потому, что мне ответят меняй страну, езжай в Штаты ))) живи там ну и так далее. И будет прав тот, кто это скажет. =)
[23:10:40] Kizikhi: трубки утомили )
[23:10:53] Kizikhi: пойду читать что-то по питону
[23:11:06] Kizikhi: кстати ваше мнение как долго ещё вторая ветка будет жить?
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[23:11:20] Kizikhi: стоит ли не париться учить и писать под 2,6
[23:11:22] Kizikhi: 2,7
[23:11:28] Kizikhi: ?
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[23:11:55] gigimon: не парься и пиши под 2
[23:12:05] Typhon: пиши под третью, если всё есть
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[23:12:17] gigimon: тоже верно
[23:12:22] Typhon: если нету, и не можешь портировать, пиши под вторую
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[23:13:42] gigimon: а веб движки под питон3 есть уже?
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[23:14:33] xa4a: веб-фреймворки?
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[23:18:51] Kizikhi: нет пока вроде
[23:19:02] Kizikhi: кстати, а как обстоит дело с Qt под третью ветку?
[23:19:07] Kizikhi: перенесли уже?
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[23:20:13] Typhon: на pypi была страница с пакетами к трёшке
[23:20:14] Kizikhi: вот что есть в списке пакетов третьей ветки - PyQt <http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyQt/4.8.3> Python bindings for the Qt cross platform GUI toolkit
[23:20:27] Typhon: или отдельная страница, нужно её в wtf закинуть, ящитаю, кто помнит урл?
[23:20:42] Kizikhi: это оно и есть?
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[23:21:20] Kizikhi: PyQt is a comprehensive set of Python bindings for Nokia's Qt cross platform GUI toolkit. PyQt supports Python v2 and v3. Нокиа'с??? Это ещё что значит
[23:21:21] Kizikhi: ?
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[23:22:02] Kizikhi: наверно всё-же пока не буду париться и буду писать под 2,6
[23:22:22] Kizikhi: такой вопрос, есть ли смысл в 2,6 использовать print как функцию? print()
[23:22:32] Kizikhi: 2.6 вроде прекрасно понимает это
[23:22:43] Kizikhi: но насколько это политкорректно? =)
[23:22:45] Typhon: from __future__ import print_function
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[23:23:19] Typhon: опять же, были гайды, как писать так, чтобы было проще портировать, у dabeaz, или где-то в доках, кто помнит урл? ;-)
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[23:23:41] Kizikhi: кстати он вопринимает принт как функцию и без импорта
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[23:24:51] Typhon: map(print, range(10)) ;-)
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[23:25:34] Kizikhi: какая книга лучше подойдет для новичков? - Марк Лутц - Изучаем Питон?
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[23:26:07] gigimon: xa4a: да, фреймворки)
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[23:26:25] Typhon: для новичков библия неплохо идёт. docs.python.org/tutorial . лутц, вроде, нормальный.
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[23:27:17] Typhon: Kizikhi, рекомендую подход к изучению изменить несколько, начать уже делать что-то, например, а не выбирать и майндфаком заниматься ;-) уже неделю что-то выбираешь. за неделю можно уже писать приложения ;-)
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[23:28:24] Kizikhi: майндфаком :D
[23:28:30] Kizikhi: меня тормозила третья ветка
[23:28:38] Kizikhi: я не мог определиться гтк или кт
[23:28:42] Kizikhi: что немаловажно
[23:28:49] gigimon: брр
[23:28:53] gigimon: берешь и пишешь
[23:28:54] Kizikhi: плюс я работаю, не могу всё свободное время отдавать на это к сожалению
[23:29:20] Kizikhi: вот все что я успел накатать в ознакомительных целях
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[23:29:29] Kizikhi: # !/usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: UTF-8 -*-
import sys
print (sys.version)
hello = "Привет мир!"
var = hello
if var == hello:
print (var)
def example(): #Объявление функции example
a=8
b=2
c=a+b
print ('f равно '+str(c))
print (int(-2.3))
print (float(15))
def main(): #Вызов функции example
example()
return 0
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
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[23:30:01] xa4a: !kick Kizikhi
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[23:30:04] Typhon: xa4a, он нас обижает
[23:30:05] Typhon: %)
[23:30:09] gigimon: :D
[23:30:15] gigimon: хачи надоело слушать нытье?
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[23:30:28] gigimon: xa4a: как тебя склонять та правильно?
[23:30:30] Typhon: gigimon, да про пиу говорили просто уже
[23:30:38] gigimon: да я помню
[23:30:43] gigimon: и про гтк, и qt
[23:30:49] gigimon: и питон 2 или 3
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[23:31:00] xa4a: gigimon: без разницы :)
[23:31:02] gigimon: _lorien: напиши статью на pep8: использовать ли py3
[23:31:11] gigimon: xa4a: ок, ну мало ли, обидишься
[23:31:40] Kizikhi: да ладно можно ведь предупредить, а не кикать сразу
[23:31:56] Kizikhi: если не кидать сюда код, то куда?
[23:32:09] Kizikhi: можно ведь объяснить, на одном языке разговариваем вроде
[23:32:11] Typhon: paste.in.ua
[23:32:14] gigimon: dpaste, pastedin
[23:32:20] Kizikhi: буду знать
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[23:32:54] Typhon: Kizikhi, [0:03:58] xa4a: или на paste.in.ua
[23:33:03] Typhon: на одном же вроде языке ;-)
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[23:33:24] Kizikhi: я тогда так и не понял к чему он мне эту ссылку прислал, я тогда никаких кодов не кидал в чат
[23:33:35] Kizikhi: злые вы
[23:33:37] gigimon: xa4a: стабильный адиум юзаешь?
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[23:35:20] xa4a: Kizikhi: в топике написано
[23:35:23] xa4a: gigimon: да
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[23:35:35] xa4a: 1.4.1
[23:35:39] Kizikhi: учту
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[23:35:58] xa4a: спасибо
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[23:38:03] Kizikhi: кстати, а какое издание Лутца лучше читать, третье или четвертое?
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[23:38:09] Kizikhi: в третьем он описывает 2,5
[23:38:37] Kizikhi: а четвертое расширено и дополнено с появившимися изменениями в 3,0
[23:38:47] gigimon: включи мозг пожалуйста...
[23:38:58] Kizikhi: кто знает не идет ли речь в четвертом издании только о третьей ветке?
[23:39:15] Kizikhi: мозг работает, если в четвертом издании идет речь лишь о третьей ветке, то пока читать не стану
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[23:40:49] Kizikhi: так ладно, всем спокойной ночи, изучение продолжу завтра
[23:40:53] Kizikhi: всем спасибо за советы
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[23:47:33] Typhon: """Taking the dive and using Python 3.2 for a personal project. concurrent.futures looks awesome; Screw Python 2.x.""" так-то!
[23:47:43] Typhon: а вы всё "гтк", "куте"
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[23:53:21] gigimon: блин
[23:53:52] gigimon: народ, у вас часто бывают заказчики типа: я хочу такой клевый сервис, как это (показывает сайт) только лучше, напишите мне тз?
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[23:54:49] Typhon: групон сделать предлагает? :-)
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[23:56:58] Typhon: это ж вроде обычное дело, фольклор прямо-таки
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[23:57:26] gigimon: не
[23:57:31] gigimon: не групон слава богу
[23:58:00] gigimon: та просто бесит отношение, без ничего писать тз
[23:58:04] gigimon: но придется
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