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[00:27:59] om1: привет, как в питоне в Windows запустить независимый процесс и умереть спокойно?
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[03:47:48] creitve: всем привет
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[03:48:26] creitve: подскажите, почему картинки, сохранённые через urllib2 сохраняются повреждёнными
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[03:49:02] creitve: код вот http://pastebin.com/qxqfJWcC
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[03:56:31] creitve: всё решил вопрос
[03:56:39] creitve: под виндой просто оказывается другие режимы записи
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[15:20:08] cutwater: привет
[15:20:20] cutwater: помогите плиз с дилемой
[15:20:22] cutwater: надо в REST API запросе POST передать на сервер параметры
[15:20:29] cutwater: по дефолту используется и всеми понимается x-www-form-urlencoded
[15:21:02] cutwater: но данные несколько сложней, там параметром может быть и список пар user password и более сложные структуры
[15:21:34] cutwater: вопрос как лучше передать это все на сервер,
варианты как application/json и руками парсить на сервере raw_post_data
key=json
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[15:23:18] cutwater: есть кто живой?
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[15:24:11] Darth Лис: а что с x-www-form-urlencoded не так?
[15:24:36] cutwater: Darth Лис: да ну ты более сложную и вложенную структуру данных не передашь нормально не?
[15:24:42] Typhon: чойта?
[15:24:49] Darth Лис: не
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[15:24:59] Typhon: data=urliencoded_data
[15:25:02] Darth Лис: в смысле, хехе, можно передать
[15:25:10] cutwater: можно конечно но вот я и спрашиваю как сделать лучше
[15:25:37] Darth Лис: (15:24:59) Typhon: data=urliencoded_data
[15:25:56] cutwater: хм...
[15:26:08] xa4a: в POST что хочешь можешь совать
[15:26:10] cutwater: либо data=json_data
[15:26:13] xa4a: лишь бы сервер смог распарсить
[15:26:16] xa4a: хоть json
[15:26:17] Typhon: типа, не надо мапить свои данные на пост
[15:26:17] cutwater: xa4a: да я знаю.
[15:26:32] cutwater: Typhon: ну да как-то так
[15:26:39] cutwater: это наиболее конечно такой вариант
[15:26:46] cutwater: хотя в апи будет не красиво
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[15:41:03] cutwater: Typhon: мне очень уж не нравится это решение *хнык*
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[15:50:11] _lorien: охуеть, щас выполнил selenium тест в джанге, тока не понял, нафиг мне окно какое-то мелькнуло и пропало потом
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[15:54:26] iDoberman: Народ, кто что что юзает Qt или GTK?
[15:54:27] xa4a: _lorien: не знает, что такое selenium?
[15:54:36] _lorien: знает
[15:54:42] xa4a: selenium работает в файрфоксе, если тчо
[15:54:47] xa4a: мелькнул файрфокс?
[15:54:47] _lorien: спасибо кэп
[15:54:55] _lorien: нет, мелькает какое-то дерьмо
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[15:55:01] _lorien: с отладочной инфой
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[15:55:04] xa4a: а фф?
[15:55:14] _lorien: да я толком не понял чо мелькало ))
[15:55:16] xa4a: а, там ещё какой-то сервер?
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[15:55:33] xa4a: /me последний раз смотрел селениум где-то в 2007
[15:55:36] _lorien: да
[15:55:46] xa4a: и мелькает не он тоже?)
[15:55:54] _lorien: сервер слушает команды на 4444 порту, python-биндинг с ним разговаривает через него, я так понял
[15:56:00] xa4a: по ходу да
[15:56:01] _lorien: xa4a: я не пойму суть твоих вопросов
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[15:56:20] xa4a: я не понял суть твоих ответов
[15:56:36] xa4a: "тока не понял, нафиг мне окно какое-то мелькнуло и пропало потом" - если пропало, значит не тебе мелькнуло :)
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[15:57:55] _lorien: ладно, я уже привык что тут часто пиздят, не зная сути вопроса :)
[15:58:34] xa4a: вообще труЪ - запускать селениумовские тесты в Xvfb
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[15:58:55] xa4a: чтобы не мелькало ничего
[15:59:16] xa4a: на каком-то CI-сервере, например
[15:59:50] _lorien: да, я скоро до джанго-дженкинс доберусь, или как там его
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[16:00:09] _lorien: которая звонит ночью по телефону разработчику и грит, ты сцуко не pep8-код закоммитил
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[16:02:58] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/058c2b309138cebfb4434f50d6704909.png йоу, я зафотал это дерьмо )
[16:03:11] _lorien: аж два фаерфокса :)
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[16:05:06] cutwater: а еще такой вопрос
[16:05:18] cutwater: глупый
[16:05:32] cutwater: в базе есть записи, каждой записи соответствует номер порта.
[16:05:41] cutwater: нужно создать новую запись на "незанятом порте"
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[16:06:24] xa4a: cutwater: в чём вопрос?
[16:06:39] cutwater: xa4a: ну короче гвороя вопрос в более оптимальном алгоритме
[16:06:46] cutwater: xa4a: собственно тут не совсем порт, а номер влана
[16:06:58] cutwater: надо при создании записи определить номер незанятого влана
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[16:07:22] cutwater: выгребать всю таблицу и пробегаться в цикле как-то не комильфо
[16:07:34] _lorien: почему не комильфо?
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[16:07:58] cutwater: ну мне кажется это можно сделать как-то умнее штоле
[16:08:16] _lorien: а мне кажется, умнее тут не сделаешь :)
[16:08:22] cutwater: ну ок
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[16:08:35] xa4a: выбирай записи по порядку
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[16:08:39] xa4a: тоесть э
[16:08:50] cutwater: придется лочить всю таблицу и выгребать все записи =)
[16:08:57] xa4a: из пула 40000-60000 запомни, какой последний выдал - и выдавай дальше последовательно
[16:09:07] _lorien: зачем лочить таблицу, просто unique индекс на поле ставь и обрабатывай ошибку вставки
[16:09:10] огыешсук: А django-rosetta кто-либо пользовал?
[16:09:29] cutwater: _lorien: допустим первые 10000 последовательно уже есть. предлагаешь обработать 1000 ошибок?
[16:09:51] Typhon: cutwater: хип со свободными, при занятии — оттуда убирать, при освобождении класть
[16:09:55] xa4a: напиши тригер, который будет автоматом тебе выбирать свободный номер
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[16:10:18] _lorien: cutwater: нет, я предлагаю извлечь тыщу номеров и создавать записи с номерами отличными от этой тыщи
[16:10:35] cutwater: _lorien: ну вот как-то так
[16:10:36] _lorien: ну 10000 номеров извлечь, вернее :)
[16:10:41] cutwater: при этом залочить таблицу
[16:10:43] cutwater: по идее
[16:10:47] _lorien: тут вопрос, если памяти нормалёк, то почему бы и нет
[16:10:50] xa4a: 10000 не надо
[16:10:52] xa4a: извлекать
[16:10:55] _lorien: нахер её лочить?
[16:11:05] xa4a: нахер извлекать 10000?
[16:11:07] _lorien: просто при создании записи вылезет exception если уже есть такое значение
[16:11:17] _lorien: xa4a: ну шобы промежду вставить )
[16:11:18] cutwater: хм... да
[16:11:20] xa4a: _lorien: что ты при этом делаешь?
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[16:11:23] _lorien: если записи удаляются, то дырки будут
[16:11:33] xa4a: когда иксепшн
[16:11:34] cutwater: вот по идее и надо бы определить такую первую дырку.
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[16:12:04] _lorien: xa4a: а, ну я откатываю транзакцию, если она есть
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[16:12:09] xa4a: cutwater: запиши в таблицу один раз все строки и отмечай, когда они заняты/свободны же
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[16:12:19] xa4a: _lorien: и снова пытаешься на другую циферку?
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[16:13:03] xa4a: и так 10000 раз
[16:13:21] Typhon: cutwater: http://paste.in.ua/2186/
[16:13:37] _lorien: блять, да нет же
[16:13:45] cutwater: xa4a: кстати считаешь слать запрос как application/json правильно?
[16:13:50] _lorien: я 10000 номеров извлекаю и пробую для тех номеров, которые не входят в эти 10000 )
[16:14:17] _lorien: ну там пару раз обломаюсь если дикая нагрузка на сервер )
[16:14:38] _lorien: ну если очень дикая то конечно мой способ плох
[16:14:47] xa4a: cutwater: если там внутри json - why not?
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[16:15:17] cutwater: xa4a: ну просто на стороне джанго тогда напишу декоратор который будет разворачивать raw_post_data
[16:15:39] xa4a: !g django ajax post view decorator
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[16:16:40] xa4a: http://djangosnippets.org/snippets/622/
[16:16:43] xa4a: так, например
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[16:27:29] wiz_: как побороть вопросики вместо юникода при pyodbc/freetds/mssql ?
[16:27:37] wiz_: локали, sitecustomize проставил
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[16:31:20] cutwater: xa4a: ок спасибо
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[16:31:40] cutwater: _lorien: вобщем решили делать SELECT FOR UPDATE всех занятых записей
[16:31:50] cutwater: и таки лочить всю базу как результат
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[16:32:29] xa4a: cutwater: сколько может быть макс записей?
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[16:33:07] cutwater: xa4a: 4096
[16:33:23] cutwater: xa4a: кстати немного не так, я об обратном говорю
[16:33:33] cutwater: что не ответ в json кодировать
[16:33:38] nmk: cutwater: так а нельзя выбрать максимальный номер единицу? :)
[16:33:43] cutwater: а запрос приходит в теле поста как JSON
[16:33:44] nmk: параллельно сделать какой-то лок
[16:33:57] nmk: блин
[16:34:02] nmk: максимальный номер увеличить на единицу
[16:34:06] cutwater: nmk: а если уже занят максимальный номер?
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[16:34:15] xa4a: cutwater: так сделай сразу 4096 строк и поле "занят" потом SELECT FOR UPDATE одну строку WHERE занят = 0
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[16:36:45] cutwater: xa4a: дык вот по поводу декоратора тут речь шла о запросе а не об ответе
[16:36:55] cutwater: что тебе в POST body приходит application/json
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[16:37:16] xa4a: и...?
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[16:37:51] _lorien: cutwater: а что он делает этот select for update?
[16:38:34] cutwater: _lorien: лочит записи которые выбраны.
[16:38:47] cutwater: xa4a: ну и делаю json.loads(request.raw_post_data)
[16:39:12] cutwater: ну и спрашивал насколько это вообще правильно в REST слать вместо x-www-form-encoded application/json
[16:39:32] _lorien: а зачем их лочить, ты же их всё равно менять не будешь
[16:39:34] xa4a: откуда x-www-form-urlencoded?
[16:39:47] cutwater: _lorien: ну это не моя идея
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[16:40:08] cutwater: товарищу больше по душе лочить все нахер чем два раза пытаться вставить
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[16:40:28] cutwater: xa4a: ну а каким Content-Type идут по дефолту данные в POST ?
[16:41:01] xa4a: емнип REST не регламентирует content-type. Если метод POST - хоть картинки туда суй, если в урле, например, параметры заданы все, что надо
[16:41:17] cutwater: ну и ок тогда.
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[16:41:43] _lorien: я ваще не понял чо вы там лочите, но вообще и хуй с ним :)
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[16:42:26] Typhon: в редис, в сортированную шляпу сунуть сразу все порты, и удалять заняты / вставлять обратно освободившиеся
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[16:43:09] cutwater: _lorien: ну "более опытному" программисту захотелось залочить все существующие записи, при этом когда их попытается залочить еще один запрос, то ему придется ждать
[16:43:32] _lorien: ок, он залочил, а что дальше, как вы находите свободный порт?
[16:43:41] cutwater: ну мы получили все занятые порты
[16:43:50] cutwater: а потом идем и ищем первый свободный
[16:43:56] xa4a: uhoh
[16:44:14] cutwater: _lorien: он сделал SELECT FOR UPDATE всех портов.
[16:44:21] cutwater: потом нашел первый попавшийся, вставил
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[16:45:50] _lorien: а, Типа все записи там уже есть, и надо одну из них обновить
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[16:46:01] _lorien: я думал есть только те записи, у которых порт назначен
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[16:46:05] nmk: cutwater: если много строк, то можно интервалами лочить. типа с 1 по 1000.

но вообще это пиздец, да
[16:46:24] cutwater: _lorien: нет ты не понял
[16:46:26] cutwater: так и есть
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[16:46:32] cutwater: есть только записи для которых порт назначен
[16:46:47] _lorien: а надо создать новую запись с новым портом. да?
[16:46:50] cutwater: да
[16:46:57] _lorien: а нахер тогда лочить записи, вы же их не изменяете
[16:47:02] _lorien: в чём смысл лока, для чего?
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[16:47:08] cutwater: _lorien: идея-фикс: залочить все уже существующие, чтобы другой процесс их не мог залочить
[16:47:09] cutwater: :-D
[16:47:35] cutwater: _lorien: тогда когда другой процесс попытается залочить уже существующие записи, ему выйдет облом :-D
[16:47:39] _lorien: типа они в очередь встают
[16:47:43] cutwater: ну да
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[16:47:53] cutwater: хотя разумеется мы эти записи не изменяем
[16:47:58] _lorien: ну по мне роще всё же долбиться в свободные порты и ловить ошибки если кто-то успел занять )
[16:48:22] _lorien: а так вдруг пока вы залочили записи невесть каким образом кто-то всё же создал новую запись и вы в неё решили записать и хуякс
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[16:48:35] _lorien: ну т.е. записал тот, кто ваще не знает, что надо что-то там лочить и в очередь вставать )
[16:48:48] cutwater: ну такого по идее быть не может... технически
[16:49:00] _lorien: ну ясно, короче сделали дыру на ровном месте :)
[16:49:42] cutwater: ну да
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[16:50:20] _lorien: не, ну если вы там обрабатываете ошибку неуникального индекса (если такой стоит на порт), то ок - не дыра
[16:50:36] cutwater: ну да
[16:50:42] cutwater: но все равно как-то криво
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[16:52:25] _lorien: я вот забыл а чо делает мусклуь когда доходит до конца границы autoincrement поля, если там ваще границу задать можно
[16:52:34] cutwater: а хз
[16:52:41] _lorien: вряд ли он ищет новые свободные pk с начала диапазона
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[16:53:37] cutwater: _lorien: кстати вот если в базе нет записей, то это решение с локом for update работать не будет
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[16:56:03] _lorien: почему не будет?
[16:56:11] _lorien: ну будут все ломиться
[16:56:26] _lorien: вы же проверяете ошибку на вставку, в цикле найдёте свободный порт
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[16:56:44] cutwater: _lorien: ну вот если проверять ошибку на вставку тогда все будет ок
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[16:58:07] _lorien: ну ты же сказал, что вы проверяете
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[17:01:18] cutwater: _lorien: ну вот теперь проверяем =)
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[17:04:51] xa4a: создайте сразу по строчке на каждый порт и с флагом "занят" у каждой
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[17:10:26] _lorien: в натуре :) можно же сделать тогда:
select for update where port = null limit 1
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[17:13:18] cutwater: ну я не знаю почему такое решение нам не нравится
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[18:44:16] огыешсук: А с торнадой или там орбитедом дело кто имел? Впечатления?
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все видели, да?
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[19:05:49] огыешсук: я думаю какой comet на сайт навесить, а кто ещё на сервере может с этим проще орбитеда работать (особенно в свете его лёгкого привязывания к тому же redis, к которому с другой стороны сможет цепляцца моя джанга).
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[20:05:00] Kizikhi: Всем привет, ребят подскажите пожалуйста
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[20:05:08] Kizikhi: можно ли как-то выполнить команду arp
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[20:05:12] Kizikhi: из python скрипта
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[20:05:33] Kizikhi: насколько я понял у питона нет возможности отправлять арп запросы
[20:05:47] Typhon: есть, popen
[20:05:49] Kizikhi: можно ли в таком случае каким-то образом взаимодействовать с bin bash
[20:05:58] Kizikhi: из питоновского скрипта
[20:06:00] Kizikhi: popen?
[20:06:34] Typhon: subprocess.Popen
[20:06:36] Typhon: то есть
[20:07:06] Kizikhi: открыл документацию, сейчас посмотрим что она делает
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[20:08:52] Kizikhi: popen в 2,6 пашет?
[20:09:10] Typhon: проверь
[20:09:24] Typhon: subprocess.Popen тебе нужен
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[20:09:37] Typhon: arp пакеты ты, по-моему, тоже можешь отправлять
[20:09:57] Kizikhi: задача на данном уровне проста
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[20:10:07] Kizikhi: получить mac адрес текущей машины
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[20:10:09] Typhon: SOCK_RAW и погнал
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[20:13:37] Typhon: олсо, uuid.getnode ^_^
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