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[01:32:45] Psixo: Кто с подобным сталкивался: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22921012/PIL-Image.png ? о_О
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[10:01:03] _lorien: на самом деле надо from PIL import Image
[10:01:36] _lorien: да, import Image тоже работает
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[10:35:46] wiz_: что-то при переходе к использованию бд меня фласк резко перестал радовать даже для тривиальных задач
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[10:36:14] Typhon: в смысле, разверни
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[10:41:58] wiz_: начал городить PG. а там уже надо схему более детально расписывать, что лень. и в перспективе более сложные запросы делать, что ещё более лень...
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[10:44:53] Typhon: wiz_: а фласк здесь причём? :-)
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[10:45:48] wiz_: тем что в джанге тоже есть вся эта ботва
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[10:45:56] wiz_: и как-то меня коробит от глобалов
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[10:46:10] _lorien: тоже => уже?
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[10:46:56] Typhon: wiz_: ну так алхимию возьми
[10:47:07] Typhon: джанго с ормом, фласк — нет, расчитан на сторонний орм
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[10:47:13] wiz_: вот уж от чего меня воротит, так это от алхимии
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[10:47:52] Typhon: ну выдери джанговский орм, гг
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[10:48:10] wiz_: так я тогда и джанговский фреймворк возьму сразу
[10:48:23] Tony: wiz_, вроде какая-то прослойка для nosql была
[10:49:13] wiz_: а sqlobject умеет схему генерить?
[10:49:23] Tony: sqlobject - шлак
[10:49:42] Tony: кстати и для SA была какая-то прослойка
[10:49:50] wiz_: elixir-то?
[10:50:00] slav0nic: в обджекте вроед админка была
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[10:51:16] Tony: wiz_, не. еще какая-то спроси у пиранхи он юзал вроде
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[10:52:31] _lorien: wiz, а чем django плоха для твоей задачи, почему смотришь на flask?
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[10:53:12] wiz_: ну я думал сейчас на фласке по-быстрому набросаю и будет ок
[10:53:16] wiz_: невзлетело
[10:54:14] wiz_: тоесть для лысого http вполне, а если бд, то лучше сразу забиваться на джангу и всё т.к. мне её орм нравится, а всякие алхимии нет.
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[11:04:32] slav0nic: ну в общем не флак плохой, а тбе лень курить алхимию)
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[11:07:13] mishok13: да-да, плохой, ленивый wiz_
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[11:09:26] nmk: а разве не всем лень курить алхимию? :)
[11:09:36] nmk: все эти ее сессии, ее документацию..
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[11:11:27] wiz_: Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement pyscopg2
[11:11:39] Typhon: опечатался
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[12:16:07] wiz_: ппц... а лимит1 вообще нигде кроме мускля нет чтоль?...
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[12:17:54] Typhon: http://www.postgres.cz/index.php/PostgreSQL_SQL_Tricks
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[12:19:56] Typhon: nmk: в апдейте и делете, видимо
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[12:20:32] nmk: эм. ну апдейт и вложенный селект, не? :)
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[12:22:01] Typhon: nmk: http://www.postgres.cz/index.php/PostgreSQL_SQL_Tricks#Fast_first_n_rows_removing
[12:22:18] nmk: ты не поверишь, я как раз на это смотрю
[12:22:21] nmk: :)
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[12:22:38] Typhon: ну я просто первый раз кинул плохо ссылку, исправился :-)
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[12:24:04] nmk: я кстати не понимаю почему он в первом примере сортирует
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[14:26:10] xa4a: хм. а вот почему не делают мемоизирующие пропети, которые кеш хранят не в отдельном месте, а переписывают сами себя значением?
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[14:26:54] xa4a: это бы ускорило доступ к значениям
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[14:39:37] cutwater: товарищи нужна помощь с алхимией
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[14:40:32] Typhon: кровь девственницы смешай с беленой, и выпаривай, туда потом ослиную мочу и свинец
[14:41:05] cutwater: щас код запосчу
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[14:41:55] cutwater: https://gist.github.com/936498
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[14:43:14] cutwater: собственно проблема в чем, я хочу сделать примерно такую штуку

BEGIN
INSERT INTO failover (client_id, vlan) VALUES (1, NULL)
UPDATE failover SET vlan=10 WHERE id=1
если вдруг ошибка возникла
UPDATE failover SET vlan=11 WHERE id=1
COMMIT
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[14:44:22] cutwater: как видно из лога происходит ROLLBACK которого я не заказывал
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[14:44:57] cutwater: кроме использования SAVEPOINT решения не нашел, подскажите плиз есть ли способ заставить алхимию делать то что мне надо
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[14:45:35] Typhon: а ролб
[14:45:37] Typhon: эк?
[14:46:02] cutwater: ну тогда мы откатим транзакцию полностью... а как бы INSERT уже произошел?
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[14:48:53] wiz_: «from django.conf.urls.defaults import patterns, include, url» ох ну нифига себе! гвидо их покусал чтоль в 1.3
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[14:52:09] cutwater: Typhon: я идиот
[14:52:27] Typhon: cutwater: обоснуй :D
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[14:52:58] cutwater: Typhon: ну просто в рамках транзакции я все равно изменений не увижу. я немного не подумал и забыл / не знал транзакционный механизм
[14:53:04] cutwater: короче говоря это решение вообще неправильное
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[14:53:52] cutwater: ну да
[14:54:11] cutwater: вобщем на уровне алхимии то что я хочу сделать выглядит костыльным
[14:54:59] nmk: тебе ж вроде говорили нормальные советы
[14:55:01] Typhon: я вообще слабо понимаю, почему ты инсертишь с vlan ом одним, потом апдейтишь первую запись всегда
[14:55:02] nmk: забить все порты сразу
[14:55:12] nmk: *вланы
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[14:55:23] cutwater: nmk: ну это при условии что их мало
[14:55:23] Typhon: мне это кажется нездоровым :-)
[14:55:31] nmk: ок.
[14:55:35] nmk: сколько у тебя много?
[14:55:38] Typhon: потому что какбы намекает, что первая запись у тебя какое-то специальное значение несёт
[14:55:40] nmk: 30к много,
[14:55:41] nmk: ?
[14:56:06] cutwater: на самом деле их вообще 4к максимум, но забивать все мне не нравится.
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[14:56:33] nmk: ну я к тому, что 30к строк с 5ю полями для бд это такая ерунда, что она даже в кеш влезет и все будет быстро работать
[14:56:34] cutwater: Typhon: ладно как бы ты эту задачу решил?
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[14:56:49] Typhon: cutwater: забил бы сразу, я ж даже код кидал
[14:56:57] cutwater: nmk: я понимаю. но инициализировать таблицу с этими вланами при текущей архитектуре как бы костыль
[14:56:59] Typhon: там без баз, но разницы не особо много
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[14:57:15] nmk: да какой костыль. это нормально. вот сейвпойты с роллбеками это костыыыыыль
[14:57:43] cutwater: nmk: а нормален ли альтернативный вариант забить в базу только существующие вланы?
[14:57:46] cutwater: разницы особо никакой
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[14:58:50] nmk: так только существующие у тебя проблема выбрать следующий
[14:58:56] nmk: а когда всё забито, то проблем нету
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[15:17:48] cutwater: ладно щас разберемся.
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[15:21:08] xa4a: cutwater: правильный вариант: забить сразу все. но если делать костылями, то тут тебе не нужны транзакции
[15:21:12] xa4a: на один запрос-то
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[15:21:46] xa4a: инсерть себе пока не не выкинется IntegrityError, или что там у тебя
[15:22:11] xa4a: /me <- фу-фу. рассказал, как костыль костыльнее заделать
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[15:28:55] darkillusion: шо, хабр накрылся?
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[15:30:26] gigimon: хабр то оживает, то умирает
[15:30:28] gigimon: страно как-то
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[15:57:39] xa4a: все проснулись
[15:57:44] xa4a: ^^ хм. а вот почему не делают мемоизирующие пропети, которые кеш хранят не в отдельном месте, а переписывают сами себя значением?
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[16:15:21] webninja: привет
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[16:16:04] webninja: <input id="name" type="text" name="name" value="" class="required" />
через жанго форм можно как нибудь параметры value и class передать?
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[16:17:24] webninja: <input id=name" type="text" name="name" maxlength="100" /> так через {{ form.name }} выводит

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[16:19:39] webninja: value можно через initial поставить
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[16:20:22] webninja: и класс required_css_class = 'required' хых
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[16:21:00] webninja: чтение мануалов }:\
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[18:30:47] zxvenom: здраствуйте. Подскажите, как из питона запускать другие программы
[18:31:17] zxvenom: Что-нибудь вроде run('gedit some_document')
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[18:35:15] cutwater: zxvenom: import subprocess
[18:35:48] zxvenom: ага, спасибо
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[19:01:58] madridianfox: Здрасьте люди :-)
[19:02:55] nmk: привет братуха! как сам?
[19:03:09] xa4a: madridianfox: приветики :)
[19:04:18] madridianfox: nmk: вполне прилично :-)
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[19:13:08] madridianfox: Было дело - искал информацию по интеграции питона в С/С++
Нашёл только : написание С расширений для питона и выполнение питоновских функций из С программы
А как насчет встраивания питона в программу как скриптового языка ? Чтобы как в blender3d можно было формировать логику программы скриптом
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[19:19:38] madridianfox: Не подскажете в какую сторону копать? :-)
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[19:21:03] _lorien: madridianfox: http://pep8.ru/video/1
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[19:21:52] _lorien: хотя по видео непонятно нихрена, вот тут глянь слайды: http://www.rupy.ru/member/2/#paper-2
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[19:25:03] madridianfox: _lorien: спасибо :-)
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[20:00:47] zxvenom: мне надо сделать длинный кликабельный прокручиваемый список/таблицу на pygtk
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[20:01:06] zxvenom: какие виджеты посоветуете?
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[20:02:27] xa4a: стандартный виджет таблицы?
[20:02:54] zxvenom: там и такие есть? вау.
[20:03:49] zxvenom: что-то нашлось похожее http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/sec-ScrolledWindows.html
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[20:05:19] zxvenom: да, это и есть таблица...
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[20:10:00] zxvenom: спасибо
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[22:00:27] darkillusion: https://github.com/tranqil/squirrel -- вот. набыдлокодил сохранялку закладок, дизайна 0 но чёто работает ;-)
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