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[00:01:17] inpython: т.е. ткинтер и оставить, с qt и wx проще не будет?
[00:01:28] wiz: нет
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[00:17:54] gigimon: inpython: в qt будет еще больше
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[00:22:22] gigimon: inpython: ого, а где-то требуется МЕНЬШЕ строк для гуи?)
[00:22:24] gigimon: скажи ге
[00:22:26] gigimon: где
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[00:27:44] gigimon: и сколько там надо строк для задания окна с 10 кнопками и 10 дйствиями?
[00:28:18] gigimon: да и гуи ты пишешь не на C#, а используя библиотеку виндовую
[00:28:44] gigimon: а гуи на гтк, qx по строкам будет более менее равно на любом языке
[00:29:20] inpython: ну библиотека виндовая пускай, но раза в два меньше это точно
[00:29:27] gigimon: ну код покажи
[00:29:33] gigimon: а то мы не местные (не шучу)
[00:30:10] gigimon: inpython: а форму ты делаешь в visual studio или действительно кодом руками описываешь?
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[09:41:58] Ляпатяпа: обновил убунту
[09:42:08] Ляпатяпа: unity крутым будет
[09:42:18] Ляпатяпа: сейчас кое-какие недоработки есть
[09:42:30] Ляпатяпа: а может просто не привык
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[09:51:52] _lorien: а чо оно делает?
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[09:53:57] gf is now away
[09:53:57] gf is now away
[09:54:32] Ляпатяпа: оно вместо гнома
[09:54:38] wiz is now online
[09:54:47] Ляпатяпа: несколько биндов мне сломало
[09:55:12] Ляпатяпа: meta-цифры теперь не воркспейсы меняют, а приложения
[09:55:50] maxim.zemlyakov is now online
[09:55:55] mjaslty is now online
[09:56:16] Ляпатяпа: но идей крутых много заделали, хотя большинство похоже из макоси стянули
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[09:57:20] gf is now online
[09:57:20] gf is now online
[09:57:23] wiz: ничего, восьмёрка их стянет из юнити и все будут счастливы
[09:57:43] erraen is now online
[09:57:54] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/8ea2498783486be62a9a27543a743b09.png даааа эпик фейл, как говорится
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[09:58:39] Sevenov: > [10:52:33 AM] Ляпатяпа: оно вместо гнома
фацепалм
[09:58:54] Sevenov: unity - wm, gnome - de. Чувствуешь?
[09:59:04] wiz: вместо метасити ок
[09:59:13] Ляпатяпа: лады
[09:59:17] Sevenov: няшна
[09:59:19] wiz: хотя не
[09:59:25] wiz: юнити-то как раз de
[09:59:30] wiz: там же компиз wm
[09:59:42] Sevenov: оно вместо gnome-shell
[10:00:03] wiz: вместо gnome-panel
[10:00:04] Sevenov: Но всё окружение вокруг - гном
[10:00:18] Sevenov: вместо ЛИНУПСА УБУНТЫ СЛОМААСЬ НВИДИЯ КОКОКО
[10:00:46] Sevenov: ебать слоёв понакостыляли там, похоже
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[10:01:05] Sevenov: _lorien, а что ж ты этот скриншот не сфоткал?
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[10:01:53] _lorien: Sevenov: в смысле?
[10:01:57] _lorien: зачем его фотать?
[10:02:06] Sevenov: _lorien, что б было эпичнее
[10:02:22] _lorien: я ваще на гном хочу перелезть или на kde
[10:02:26] _lorien: тока надо комп мощный купить
[10:02:45] erraen is now online
[10:02:54] _lorien: заебал этот awesome
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[10:03:24] Sevenov: http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wm1a.jpg - я мешок картошки. - как бы говорит он нам.
[10:04:40] _lorien: шрамы
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[17:37:35] creitve: вечер, такой вопрос - мне нравится Eclipse + Pydev, но нельзя ли использовать его без создавания проекта?
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[17:52:29] creitve: как настроить python run чтоб запускать вне проекта файлы в pydev?
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[18:30:12] Tony: в этом случае тебе стоит подумать нужен ли тебе pydev
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[18:36:06] creitve: да я разобрался
[18:36:17] creitve: сделал для изучения языка проект и всё)
[18:37:10] creitve: правда при первом запуске файл почему то пишет Unable to get location for run
[18:37:30] Typhon: unable to get location for fun :-(
[18:37:30] creitve: нужно сначала в контекстном меню выбрать run as - python run
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[20:31:53] inpython: а виз сегодня будет?
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[20:36:24] Typhon: не, сегодня не его смена, он после завтра будет, мы сутки через двое тут :-)
[20:36:42] Typhon: типа, кто ж знает, кто тут будет, но ты, если у тебя вопрос есть, а не личное дело, задай в чятик
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[20:46:21] inpython: да он уже как бы в курсе происходящего в моей голове, а то еще одному человеку обьяснить толком что мне нужно, я не смогу)
[20:46:41] Typhon: "плохое для тебя"
[20:47:29] inpython: к примеру так, я загружаю сайт через прокси
[20:47:51] inpython: мне в одной строке, можно так написать if len(proxy) == 0: proxy = None
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[20:51:34] inpython: или эо сложной инструкцией считается?
[20:52:30] Typhon: if proxy:
proxy = None
len не нужен, в одну строчку тоже не надо
[20:52:50] Typhon: да и вообще, кNone тоже плохая идея присваивать, имхо
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[20:53:26] inpython: так у меня proxy = open('proxy.txt') и если он пустой
[20:53:34] inpython: тогда как продолжить без прокси?
[20:53:37] Typhon: так ты можешь написать код, который работает с прокси, у которого домен -- список (или iterable любой)
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[20:53:47] Typhon: for i in proxy:
blabla
[20:53:56] Typhon: -- тут что пустой список, что нет -- одно фигственно
[20:53:58] Typhon: присваивая None
[20:54:05] Typhon: ты заставляешь код расширять (зачем-то) домен
[20:54:13] Typhon: и проверки везде вводить на is None
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[20:54:27] inpython: да все намного сложней
[20:55:00] inpython: мне открыть в urllib нужно в любом случаи, с проксей иил без
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[20:55:36] inpython: я просто думал что присвоив None мне не прийдется дполнительно ветвление делать с новым запросом без прокси
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[20:56:44] Typhon: тебе и с пустым списком не придётся
[20:56:47] Typhon: также пошлёшь его и всё
[20:57:54] inpython: пят сек, на дамп скину
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[20:58:34] inpython: http://dumpz.org/52338/
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[20:59:21] inpython: как мне там можно продолжить цикл не делая новое ветвление для создания urllib без прокси? если файл с проксями пуст
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[21:02:29] Typhon: ну если ты так пошёл, то можно if proxy:
opener = proxy blblalblab
else:
opener = default_opener

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[21:07:09] inpython: а как можно иначе сделать? скажи как правильно\лучше
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[21:07:46] inpython: ссори, я в программировании полный нуб, if proxy почему ту условия нету?
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[21:08:28] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html?highlight=__nonzero__#object.__nonzero__ -- обычная магия
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[21:09:00] Typhon: мне вообще код не нравится, а api urllib2 с install_opener просто бесит :-)
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[21:11:59] inpython: ссори я магию не люблю, я лучше точно опишу условие цикла
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[21:12:44] inpython: а почему код не нравится? как его улучшить а мне тут без урллиб2 не как, там и прокси и куки
[21:13:13] inpython: разве что пикурл, но он тебя наверное еще больше всбесит)
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[21:14:43] Typhon: inpython, это не магия, это условие цикла
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[21:39:13] Tony: inpython, twisted.web !
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[21:50:25] cutwater: у няшнота
[21:50:37] cutwater: тут были нубовопросы а я все пропустил
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[22:08:32] inpython: а что я вам тут?
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