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[01:32:09] Tony: пыщ. никто не изучал возможную альтернативу gettext?
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[05:58:01] webninja: хочу шаблоны радактировать через админку жанго нашел компонент. никаких серьезных противопоказаний к такому подходу нет?
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[08:31:09] webninja: спасиб
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[08:32:43] webninja: бро лориен, а чем тумбы делаешь?
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[09:44:14] wiz: все дружно ломимся на pypy?
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[09:47:11] inpython: а что это?
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[09:54:37] cutwater: !google pypy
[09:55:00] cutwater: inpython: алсо C# говно и гуй там нихера не короче чем на питоне описание
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[10:00:48] cutwater: inpython: ты согласен?
[10:01:13] inpython: в целом да, но про гуи нет -там проще!
[10:01:26] cutwater: да ну
[10:01:31] cutwater: где проще, в каком месте?
[10:01:39] cutwater: inpython: ты видел какой код твоя формошлепка генерит?
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[10:04:27] cutwater: inpython: мне просто любопытно.... в каком месте там проще?
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[10:06:20] inpython: так вот она и генерирует, а не я
[10:06:25] inpython: это большая разница
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[10:06:46] cutwater: лолка
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[10:06:58] cutwater: inpython: в Qt designer тоже генерирует и чо?
[10:06:59] webninja: кутэ дезигнер вроде тоже генерит
[10:07:20] cutwater: webninja: просто недавно в рамках помочь одной тян с дипломом вникал в WTF
[10:07:23] cutwater: *WPF
[10:07:42] webninja: wpf/
[10:07:45] cutwater: webninja: там настолько черезжопу и левое ухо сделаны лайоуты
[10:07:46] webninja: это что?
[10:07:55] cutwater: webninja: Windows Presentation Foundation
[10:07:59] webninja: хых
[10:08:02] cutwater: новый GUI фреймворк на дотнете
[10:08:16] cutwater: типа на замену WinForms с кастомной отрисовкой
[10:08:20] cutwater: аппаратным ускорением
[10:08:23] cutwater: блекджеком и шлюхами
[10:08:26] webninja: ааа =) ну круто им, че. кстати как не странно дот нетовских сайтов довольно дофига.
[10:08:28] cutwater: и описанием GUI в XML
[10:08:40] cutwater: webninja: э... ну щас не о сайтах речь.
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[10:08:53] webninja: а гуй там только под вин?
[10:09:05] cutwater: .NET он сам только под вин
[10:09:09] cutwater: Mono не в счет
[10:10:01] webninja: жесть. представь чтобы разработку вести честно на дот нет. нужно 1) виндовс 2) вижуал студия.
[10:10:16] cutwater: webninja: ну таки да
[10:10:26] cutwater: webninja: тырпрайз все дела.
[10:10:29] webninja: одно рабочее место наверное встанет >1000 долларов
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[10:33:22] inpython: неф, сейчас еще не до гуи
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[10:38:40] wiz: мой комп с 4gb памяти не осилил 32битную сборку pypy
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[12:30:18] webninja: а че за pypy?
[12:30:29] webninja: этож репозиторий питонячий
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[12:31:14] webninja: эх сервер менять нужно. посчитал 300 евро получается =(
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[12:32:23] webninja: еще и геморой. хочу с федоры мигрировать куданибудь на дебиан или убунту
[12:32:49] webninja: а кто какую ось использует на сервере?
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[12:39:24] cutwater: webninja: pypi это репозиторий питоначий. pypy это одна из реализаций питона не?
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[12:40:41] Magister Yoda: привет всем
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[12:42:59] webninja: cutwater: я ньюб )
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[12:43:10] webninja: недавно прочитал про jython ваще улет
[12:43:14] Magister Yoda: кхм... как словарь отсортировать по ключу?
[12:43:19] webninja: ммм
[12:43:31] webninja: это типовая задача
[12:43:37] Magister Yoda: нашел http://code.activestate.com/recipes/576693/
[12:43:44] webninja: !g sort dict by key python
[12:43:45] Magister Yoda: но что-то слишком жирно
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[12:44:08] webninja: =) кстати отличный блог. регулярно туда попадаю с гугла
[12:44:25] Magister Yoda: а ну это я видел
[12:44:43] Magister Yoda: в общем стандартного способа нет, как я понимаю
[12:44:52] Magister Yoda: спасибо.
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[12:52:51] webninja: есть
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[12:53:14] Magister Yoda: какой?
[12:53:23] webninja: грубо говоря тебе нужно (если в лоб) транслировать словарь в кортеж и сортировать по 1ому элементу.
[12:53:39] Magister Yoda: дак это не стандартный =)
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[12:56:04] Magister Yoda: хм...
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[12:57:20] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/52444/ не помогло...tf1 на выходе из цикла стал таким же как и tf почему-то...
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[12:59:25] Typhon: Magister Yoda, читай, как устроен дикт (хэш таблица). и почему невозможно отсортировать его :-)
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[13:00:29] Typhon: есть collections.OrderedDict, сохраняющий порядок, в котором вставляли ключи, можно его использовать для задачи.
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[13:01:08] webninja: да ) дикт не упорядоченный
[13:01:11] Magister Yoda: ты про тот, на который я ссылку вышел привёл?
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[13:01:51] webninja: структура данных словарь - является неупорядоченным контейнером данных
[13:01:57] webninja: йопт
[13:02:42] Magister Yoda: не уж то, ни один я этого не знаю)
[13:02:42] webninja: херню сказал ) короче смысл в том что {"one": 1, "two": 2} = {"two": 2, "one": 1}
[13:02:53] webninja: в смысле я херню сказал )
[13:02:57] Magister Yoda: ааа....
[13:03:05] Magister Yoda: фак... значит один я
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[13:03:41] webninja: я говорю тебе нужно в кортеж чтобы {"one": 1, "two": 2} стало ((one": 1, "two": 2})
[13:03:56] webninja: я говорю тебе нужно в кортеж чтобы {"one": 1, "two": 2} стало (("one", 1), ("two", 2))
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[13:04:52] Typhon: не слушай про кортеж, у тебя лукап по ключу будет O(n) и кривой. бери ордеред дикт, и заполняей его на основе старого дикта.
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[13:05:25] Magister Yoda: можно пример использования?
[13:05:25] webninja: и потом уже сортировать ) кстати можно по идее свою структуру данных сделать. типа ordered_dict
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[13:05:34] webninja: о а че ордеред есть такой?
[13:05:49] Magister Yoda: http://docs.python.org/release/3.1.3/library/collections.html#ordereddict-objects
[13:05:59] webninja: хех не знал
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[13:06:08] Typhon: в 2.7 есть
[13:06:15] webninja: а ну у меня не 2.7 =(
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[13:08:08] Typhon: Magister Yoda, http://paste.in.ua/2265/
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[13:08:14] cutwater: я опять все пропустил
[13:08:24] cutwater: ребят вы звоните мне если появятся наши интересные личности =)
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[13:09:05] Magister Yoda: tf = OrderedDict(sorted(tf.items(), key=lambda t: t[0])) вот так делаю
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[13:09:12] Magister Yoda: всё норм работает
[13:09:21] Magister Yoda: спасибо, Typhon
[13:09:30] Magister Yoda: cutwater: мобилу говори
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[13:13:41] cutwater: =)
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[13:16:50] cutwater: Magister Yoda: лучше задачку дам
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[13:31:27] Typhon: http://jessenoller.com/2011/04/30/have-you-read-your-python-docs-lately/
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[13:37:30] cutwater: у меня вот есть глупый вопрос.
[13:37:45] cutwater: мне нужно создать класс, экземпляром которого будет другой класс
[13:37:47] cutwater: ну вот как-то так
[13:37:50] cutwater: аля flatland
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[13:39:46] cutwater: вобщем дизайн моих валидаторов страшен
[13:39:49] cutwater: xD
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[13:43:03] Typhon: ну метакласс тебе нужен ;-)
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[13:44:45] cutwater: Typhon: ну просто вот я смотрю на WTForms и Flatland
[13:45:02] cutwater: щас покажу что я накидал.
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[13:46:28] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/52452/
[13:46:30] cutwater: вот такая вот хрень
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[13:46:43] cutwater: пример использования вот щас
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[13:47:41] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/52453/
[13:47:56] cutwater: Typhon: меня смущает долбаный метод validate
[13:48:07] cutwater: ибо такая схема мне меняет состояния глобальных объектов
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[13:48:33] cutwater: Typhon: а писать по классу для каждого dict мне не охота
[13:48:57] cutwater: Typhon: есть какие-нибудь идеи как это улучшить
[13:49:06] ds.tihonov: Бодрый день!
кто-нибудь пробывал использовать питон + менкодер + многопоточность?
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[13:49:44] cutwater: Typhon: ну у меня есть одна извращенная идея сделать как в flatland. но их решение слишком извращенное
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[13:50:26] Typhon: ds.tihonov, а зачем тут многопоточность, если менкодер -- сторонняя тулза?
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[13:51:41] Typhon: cutwater, а я не знаю, как во флатлэнд, я бы если писал валидатор какой-то, вообще бы классы, наверное не юзал, а описывал всё вложенными диктами + набором предикатов-callables. либо простые объекты + предикаты.
[13:52:32] ds.tihonov: ну да, два - три менкодера , а то шесть ядер , а мувиков 200+
[13:52:35] Typhon: (ну то есть, как я понимаю, на твою модельку похоже чем-то, но у тебя классов много всяких, а у меня бы их не было :D)
[13:53:16] Typhon: ds.tihonov, ну а зачем многопоточность понадобится? запускай n менкодеров и всё. пока не пойму, зачем многопоточность понадобилсь.
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[13:53:38] Typhon: процессы с менкодерами же отделные, правильно? их ос пусть по ядрам носит
[13:53:48] cutwater: Typhon: ну вот и вопрос... как избежать много классов
[13:53:58] cutwater: ибо вложенность ну небольшая. но будет хотя бы уровня 2 =)
[13:54:17] ds.tihonov: Typhon: всё, тебя понял, просто хоелось поиграться со threading-ом :)
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[13:54:48] ds.tihonov: Typhon: ну тогда убпроцессами обойдусь
[13:54:50] cutwater: Typhon: впрочем ладно. будут пока глобальные состояния
[13:54:59] cutwater: оно так работает, пойдет
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[13:58:56] cutwater: Typhon: ну да разве что вариант таки классами это дело сделать
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[14:07:57] Typhon: cutwater, а я не понимаю, зачем классы :-) особенно Integer и String. если произвольные callables класть, то будет int. str. или to_ip и вместо здоровых классов будет набор функций и одна типа validate которая примет спецификацию и данные и проверит/приведёт одно к другому. я так и сделаю, когда мне понадобиться (мне может понадобиться, но без форм и веба, а чисто данные прилетевшие валидировать по спеку).
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[14:08:39] Typhon: ds.tihonov, ну да, субпроцессы и всё. треды тут можно повесить, если поиграться хочется, чтобы какждый тред за свои подпроцессом следил, и кидал рез-т в очередь, какую-нибудь, например.
[14:08:45] cutwater: Typhon: ну тоже вариант.
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[14:12:43] cutwater: Typhon: ты таки прав. я опять переусложняю
[14:12:46] cutwater: все надо гораздо проще
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[14:13:48] Typhon: ну смотря для чего тебе надо, если тебе ещё и формы генерить, то простых функций может не хватить (а может и хватить :-) ). для валидации, к.м.к. развесистого дикта с функциями хватит за глаза
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[14:42:54] cutwater: Typhon: не нужно тока валидация + сообщения об ошибки.
[14:43:00] cutwater: и я уже придумал вобщем-то как
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[16:03:57] webninja: never stop coding ) первомай вроде а кто-то въебывает
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[16:52:46] maxmin: Здравствуйте. У меня вопрос по Tkinter. Как создать динамическое меню? Есть ли возможность для каждого пункта меню указать не только команду, но и какие параметры будут в нее передаваться. Чтобы одной командой обрабатывать сразу несколько пунктов в зависимости от переданных параметров?

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[17:23:50] mr.oduvan: Всем привет
[17:24:03] mr.oduvan: я тут воюю с настройкой редмайна
[17:24:11] mr.oduvan: он у меня на апаче тупит жестоко
[17:24:17] mr.oduvan: кто-то знает лечение?
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[17:24:46] slav0nic: может на браузере кода глючит
[17:24:55] slav0nic: *тупит
[17:24:59] mr.oduvan: не
[17:25:01] mr.oduvan: именно
[17:25:04] mr.oduvan: сервак
[17:25:21] mr.oduvan: просто жесть нереальная
[17:25:30] mr.oduvan: по сравнению с траком
[17:25:39] mr.oduvan: который летал незаметно
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[17:26:23] slav0nic: у редмайна есть логи как бы, с таймингом
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[17:27:06] mr.oduvan: да
[17:27:35] slav0nic: анализируй это В)
[17:27:49] Typhon: редмайн первый запуск долго запускается
[17:28:04] mr.oduvan: :)
[17:28:13] Typhon: + mod_rails используешь? модно passenger всякий использовать
[17:28:36] mr.oduvan: вот у меня такое ощущение, что каждый новый запуск - первый
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[17:28:51] mr.oduvan: мод рельс?
[17:28:54] mr.oduvan: не уверен
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[17:30:53] Typhon: ну вот ты не уверен, конфигурации своей не знаешь, а хочешь, чтобы тебе СуперСоветКакСделатьТакЧтобыНеТормозило дали, ну?
[17:31:03] mr.oduvan: не
[17:31:05] mr.oduvan: не
[17:31:09] mr.oduvan: я проверяю сейчас
[17:31:10] Typhon: + спрашивая о редмайне (руби, рельсы, етц) на питонуа
[17:31:11] mr.oduvan: :)
[17:31:27] mr.oduvan: вот и я в шоке, что помогают
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[17:33:30] mr.oduvan: да!
[17:33:41] mr.oduvan: sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-passenger
[17:33:50] mr.oduvan: существенная прибака в скорости
[17:33:52] mr.oduvan: Спасибо
[17:34:11] mr.oduvan: и да, я идиот, т.к. это написано в мане
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[17:34:47] mr.oduvan: еще раз Спасибо
[17:34:55] mr.oduvan: и с праздничком
[17:35:25] Typhon: гы, а мод_пассенгер это и есть мод_рейлс, а я не знал ^_^
[17:35:37] mr.oduvan: по ходу да
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[18:19:59] ds.tihonov: Товарищи знатоки, ситуация следующая: вызываю менкодер с помощью subprocess он должен пройтись по трём файлам с разными именами(выполняю с помощь range), перекодировать их, вот как сделать так, что бы он между шагами делалис паузы ,а точнее сказать, создавались новые файлы?, а то получается что три файла конвертируются в один.
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[18:24:47] wiz: казалось бы, при чём тут питон...
[18:26:24] ds.tihonov: действительно
[18:26:36] ds.tihonov: сам в шоке
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[18:29:01] wiz: а что ты сделал для того чтобы он в разные файлы складывал?
[18:29:36] ds.tihonov: ничего, вот сижу и думаю как это выполнить
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[18:30:32] ds.tihonov: менкодеру передю файлИсходнк и указываю менкодеру куда помещать выходной файл
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[18:31:01] wiz: а зачем ты выходной файл один и тот же указываешь?
[18:31:28] ds.tihonov: так, начинаю понимать...
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[18:32:06] wiz: так это надо было делать ещё до того как код начал писать (=
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[21:30:18] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/52509/ подскажите как должно быть
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[21:33:14] gigimon: как-как, не так-то и просто если операция длительная во времни
[21:33:20] gigimon: это тебе наверно уже очереди надо...
[21:33:33] gigimon: а аяксом раз в н секунд запрос посылать, ну или чего покруче
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[21:39:11] wiz: с фига ли очереди?
[21:39:21] wiz: просто статус в кэш писать и всё
[21:39:29] Magister Yoda: вот я тоже не очень понял
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[21:40:58] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/52511/ а вот как на страничке
[21:41:14] Magister Yoda: в смысле js такой для ajax-запроса
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[21:52:09] Magister Yoda: wiz: это вместо http://dumpz.org/52511/ поставить?
[21:52:30] wiz: нет, распечатать и поставить на полку
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