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[08:09:42] Magister Yoda: есть кто живой?
[08:10:40] Magister Yoda: привет всем. объясните, пожалуйста, как можно сделать return страницы, и одновременно запустить на выполнение какую-либо функцию?
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[11:56:44] cutwater: Typhon: слушай, помнишь вчера говорили о валидации
[11:56:48] Typhon: угу
[11:56:49] cutwater: можешь помочь немного мысли структурировать
[11:57:15] cutwater: ну я тут начал упрощать варианты, просто запутался с этим делом на этапе проектирования
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[11:59:10] Typhon: ничо не обещаю, но могу глянуть, если там не взрывы мозгов (как в папире лисков и какого-то парня про practical byzantine failures ^_^)
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[11:59:54] cutwater: вот смотри

http://dumpz.org/52607/

http://dumpz.org/52608/
[12:00:06] cutwater: Typhon: я имею ввиду именно как саму эту схему строить
[12:01:03] cutwater: то есть конкретно как лучше построить схему для списка, где надо проверить а) границы длины списка б) элементы списка
и словарь, где нужно валидировать не поля а типы ключей / значиний и возможно поля.
[12:02:04] cutwater: где во втором варианте any_of, is_ip просто callbable
[12:02:14] cutwater: ну допустим если их несколько, то можно сунуть в tuple
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[12:03:08] Typhon: для списка можно оставить список/тупль и в validate изинстансами обвешаться. а для дикта это либо вложенная "форма" либо ещё чего-то и для ещё чего-то нужен какая-то колабля
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[12:05:42] cutwater: ну и вопрос по реализации. надо вобщем чтобы validate собирал ошибки обо всех ошибках
[12:06:04] Typhon: МОНАДЫ!1! :D
[12:06:37] cutwater: xD
[12:06:44] cutwater: хм... ну можно callback
[12:06:49] Typhon: ну вроде тут должно быть ок -- лови @ собирай -- можно в колабли засунуть докстрингом месагу об ошибке ("данное не ип")
[12:07:01] cutwater: callback это ок =)
[12:07:16] cutwater: теперь это все надо побыстрому накидать
[12:07:17] Typhon: колбэк не понял куда присунуть
[12:07:28] cutwater: ща... я еще думаю
[12:07:30] cutwater: туплю поутру
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[12:10:09] Typhon: я бы просто замутил декоратор, например, @validator который бы что-нибудь делал. либо брал докстринг как сообщение об ошибке, либо сам параметризовался бы им. а валидатор(оборачиваемая функция) пусть тупо предикатом будет -- да или нет, например. ну и декоратор интепретировать результаты может, как нравится. или проще даже --- пусть валидаторы кидают ексепшн нужный и всё. тогда ты бежишь, ловишь ексепшны (в цикле придётся, правда :-( ) и собираешь их.
[12:10:33] Typhon: декоратором можно считать None за ошибку, всё остальное -- за ок, соот-но результат оборачивать в Result / Error
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[12:13:46] cutwater: Typhon: ну и можно просто ф-цией возвращать либо None либо список ошибок
[12:14:04] cutwater: меня просто очень сильно коробило от идеи именно return errors
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[12:15:34] Typhon: почему? можно и возвращать None / Errors не круто, если тебе захочется мягкую валидацию сделать, например, то есть '3' : int => 3 выдать, но 'x' : int => error. тогда лучше Result of value | Errors of exn list %)
[12:16:51] cutwater: не совсем понял твою фразу
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[12:20:33] Typhon: ну я мыслю не в контексте форм, а просто валидации данных. есть спека {'x' : int}. в моём мире, если придёт '3' валидатор должен не просто сказать "ОК!" но и привести '3' к 3. соот-но валидирующая функция должна быть не просто предикатом, но функцией с кодоменом { Result(3) , Errors(list(exceptions)) } . как-то так.
[12:21:02] Typhon: а соот-но валидатор глобальный, бежит по спеку, вызывает нужные валидирующие функции для ключей и собирает ошибки и значения.
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[12:27:27] br3d: Добрый день Господа !
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[12:27:47] Typhon: сегодня 2 мая.
[12:27:51] Typhon: 2 мая -- не день господа.
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[12:27:59] Typhon: день господа бы неделю назад, в пейсах.
[12:28:14] Typhon: если это приветствие, то нужна запятая ^_^
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[12:28:28] br3d: xD
[12:28:57] br3d: Добрый день, Господа ! ))
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[12:30:14] br3d: я только начал писать на питоне (дня 3 как) от возникла небольшая проблема, над которой бьюсь со вчерашнего вечера ...,return (1/math.pi*100)*(sm+=(func(a)*math.cos(k*a)))

[12:30:48] br3d: sm+= ... на равно ругается, не могу понять почему ...
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[12:34:05] Typhon: sm+= --- это стейтмент.
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[12:34:15] Typhon: в return можно только expression.
[12:34:35] Typhon: sm += blabla
return (1/math.pi * 100) * sm
[12:34:54] br3d: я понял, благодарю!
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[12:51:19] cutwater: Typhon: ну я просто к тому что возвращать сообщения об ошибках вроде как труЪ экспешнами =) и меня коробило от return errors =)
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[12:52:14] Typhon: можно эксепшном, его просто ставить внутри каждой итерации придётся, если хочешь всё собирать
[12:52:25] cutwater: угу... отстойно
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[12:52:42] cutwater: Typhon: ну и вместо callable сделать базовый класс таки Field я думаю.
[12:52:52] cutwater: ибо надо скажем какие-нибудь штуки еще отлавливать типа required
[12:52:57] cutwater: и т.п.
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[12:53:11] cutwater: фф...
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[12:54:38] Typhon: ну это от задач твоих уже, тебе если формы, классы удобнее, что навешать можно дисплей свойства и т.д. я бы для реквайрд просто HOF сделал required(is_any(sgre, ewrger))
[12:55:17] cutwater: хм...
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[12:55:53] cutwater: блин ну его нафиг. ладно. у меня щас времени нет заморачиваться на написание умного фреймворка валидации
[12:56:01] cutwater: пока и так сойдет как у меня... а потом перепишу
[12:56:30] cutwater: Typhon: у меня мозг не осиливает щас сделать это красиво и умно
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[12:57:42] Typhon: ну всё правильно, make it run, make it right, make it fast )
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[12:57:48] Typhon: (make it small :D )
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[12:58:18] cutwater: дык вот насчет small и не выходит лол
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[12:58:32] Typhon: ну так это только 4ым
[12:58:34] Typhon: пунктом
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[13:29:02] deepwalker: cutwater, а что ты за валидаторы накатл?
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[13:35:40] cutwater: deepwalker: да ну мучаюсь
[13:36:00] cutwater: deepwalker: надо накатать свой велосипед для валидации произвольных структур данных
[13:36:03] cutwater: проще говоря json
[13:36:11] deepwalker: я вот тут думаю, что нафиг не нужны эти экспшены
[13:36:14] cutwater: deepwalker: но нормально подойти к вопросу проектирования не получилось
[13:36:46] deepwalker: я вот сделал с эксепшенами, я потом сверху обертка, чтобы они не выскакивали
[13:37:00] deepwalker: и получается - нафиг они вообще нужны?
[13:37:28] deepwalker: вот думаю выпилить их вообще нафиг
[13:37:43] deepwalker: нужен эксепшн - сам и брось, если errors() не пусты
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[13:38:11] cutwater: deepwalker: хм.. а как ты делал? покажи штоле код\
[13:38:15] cutwater: или подкинь идею
[13:38:18] deepwalker: procrustes
[13:38:18] cutwater: а то у меня говно выходит
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[13:38:46] deepwalker: https://github.com/Deepwalker/Procrustes
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[13:39:32] cutwater: deepwalker: просто я как раз таки хотел уйти от использования классов
[13:39:49] cutwater: в смысле для описания структуры данных
[13:40:14] deepwalker: хм хм :) замыкания?
[13:40:21] Typhon: да дикт, тупо.
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[13:40:27] deepwalker: а параметры же
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[13:40:32] Typhon: я вот чем думаю -- новые валидаторы -- редко добавляются
[13:40:37] Typhon: а схемы -- часто описываются.
[13:40:42] Typhon: поэтому схемы должны быть лёгкими.
[13:40:49] Typhon: а валидатооры -- могут быть тяжёлыми.
[13:40:50] deepwalker: ага, без диктов
[13:41:03] cutwater: Typhon: хм ок
[13:41:05] deepwalker: потому что дикт не очень то удобен в записи
[13:41:11] cutwater: deepwalker: вай?
[13:41:32] cutwater: для описания json схемы как раз удобен имхо
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[13:41:36] Typhon: deepwalker, по-моему, ок, как раз деревце позволяет описать. какая альтернатива записи? (я вот если руки дойдут, намучу на руби :D )
[13:41:40] cutwater: другой вопрос - как описать дикт с валидациями
[13:41:46] cutwater: ну допустим с опциональными полями
[13:41:49] deepwalker: так, пример покажите, как вы себе это видите
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[13:42:05] cutwater: Typhon: все равно придется мутить две сущности - Field с св-вами required и Validator
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[13:42:12] cutwater: ну и Field можно просто сделать опциональным
[13:42:30] Typhon: не понимаю, почему required/ optional не может быть валидатором тоже :-)
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[13:43:08] cutwater: Typhon: например потому что когда ты пытаешься передать в валидатор данные, а такого поля в словаре нет, получишь эксепшн
[13:43:11] deepwalker: кстати это конечно мысль
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[13:43:19] deepwalker: у меня легко это можно вставить же..
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[13:43:36] cutwater: и я где-то в этом моменте очень силньо туплю
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[13:43:47] Typhon: cutwater, ну это решается. ты берёшь из спека валидатор. optional, наример.
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[13:43:57] Typhon: тот берёт data.get(key, None).
[13:44:06] Typhon: и если None -- возвращает ок, например
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[13:44:21] cutwater: э... коряво выходит
[13:44:35] Typhon: а если не None -- то вызывает следующий валидатор, который он оборачивает
[13:44:52] cutwater: я не пойму как это все выглядеть будет
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[13:47:39] deepwalker: да нет, смотрите, у меня же здравые идеи заложены - мы всегда итерируем по любому поводу - ошибки это итератор, данные тоже
[13:47:46] deepwalker: просто optional ни фига не вернет
[13:47:50] deepwalker: и все
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[13:48:49] deepwalker: ну то есть выкинет пустой итератор
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[13:49:29] Typhon: http://paste.in.ua/2268/
[13:49:39] Typhon: ну да, deepwalker, или так
[13:49:52] cutwater: э...
[13:50:16] cutwater: Typhon: ну для этого ты как раз в валидатор должен передавать уже не value
[13:50:18] cutwater: а dict
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[13:50:30] cutwater: и это не укладывается как раз у меня в голове в общую модель
[13:50:33] Typhon: а я так и делаю
[13:50:36] Typhon: :_^
[13:50:37] Typhon: ^+^
[13:50:39] Typhon: блядь
[13:50:41] Typhon: )
[13:50:57] cutwater: мда
[13:51:06] cutwater: ладно я в ребуд. щас вернусь.
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[13:53:58] cutwater: обновил убунту
[13:54:19] Typhon: нарвал?
[13:54:20] Typhon: ок7?
[13:54:22] cutwater: да
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[13:54:24] Typhon: ничего не сломалось?
[13:54:29] cutwater: хм... ну пока так себе
[13:54:32] Typhon: гном / кде?
[13:54:35] cutwater: гном
[13:54:38] cutwater: точней
[13:54:39] cutwater: unity
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[13:56:58] cutwater: ну так. не удобно
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[14:07:12] cutwater: нет все таки юнити блевабелен
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[14:12:58] cutwater: deepwalker: вобщем ладно. я сделаю так. сделаю поле Field которое будет инкапсулировать всякие свойства
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[14:13:00] cutwater: типа optional
[14:13:02] cutwater: и прочих
[14:13:09] cutwater: ну и метод validate иметь
[14:13:14] cutwater: и собственно валидаторы.
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[14:15:41] cutwater: deepwalker: в принципе то что есть сейчас только немного более человечно и вместо эксепшнов возвращение ошибок
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[14:52:09] deepwalker: :) а я уже накатал свой велик
[14:52:19] deepwalker: удобно кстати
[14:52:36] cutwater: =0
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[14:54:19] cutwater: deepwalker: у меня только дилема Integer рассматривать как валидатор или как field
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[14:55:50] cutwater: а логов нет штоле7
[14:56:02] cutwater: xa4a: можно еще заслушать твое мнение по поводу моих извращений?
[14:56:31] deepwalker: я в загадке, чем отличаются валидаторы от field :)
[14:57:27] cutwater: хм...
[14:57:54] xa4a: пойду почитаю
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[14:59:06] cutwater: deepwalker: Field - набор валидаторов
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[14:59:39] deepwalker: а вон ты как, хм хм, надо подумать тоже
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[15:00:55] cutwater: deepwalker: ну как бы смотри. идея в чем. у тебя может быть просто значение - тогда все равно что ты ему подставишь
[15:00:56] xa4a: почитал что выше. я как-то сроднился с wtforms.. там все замечательно :)
[15:01:10] cutwater: xa4a: ну я понимаю. вообще идея уйти от описания классов на все случаи жизни
[15:01:21] xa4a: от написания?
[15:01:32] xa4a: от описания форм в виде классво?
[15:01:42] deepwalker: xa4a, а вот что-то их народ ругал, за какие-то аспекты
[15:01:43] deepwalker: но я непомню за какие
[15:01:55] cutwater: xa4a: ну да
[15:02:06] cutwater: хотя
[15:02:14] cutwater: может нафиг все это =)
[15:02:23] xa4a: cutwater: ты бы сначала написал API тестов
[15:02:31] xa4a: TDD, йопта
[15:02:36] cutwater: xa4a: я сначала хочу понять как это все будет выглядеть
[15:02:37] xa4a: njulf ,skj ,s dblyj? r xtve cnhtvbnmcz
[15:02:40] xa4a: !decode
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[15:05:54] cutwater: щас попробую при помощи WTForms
[15:05:59] cutwater: если удовлетворить
[15:06:54] cutwater: хм
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[15:11:48] Magister Yoda: xa4a: сельдерей - это не то
[15:12:13] xa4a: Magister Yoda: тебе любая асинхронная очередь
[15:13:03] Magister Yoda: ну вообще я тут подумал, можно даже новую страницу не открывать, а делать всё на текущей, так по-моему даже проще будет
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[15:13:48] Magister Yoda: только не могу разобраться как это написать
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[15:16:27] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ну ты бы проблему описал =)
[15:16:42] cutwater: xa4a: поковырял WTForms щас запилю велосипедик и будет ок
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[15:18:12] xa4a: cutwater: я бы поленился придумывать что-то ещё проще, чем wtf
[15:18:27] cutwater: xa4a: ну я лишь с тем отличием, что типы не конвертируются
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[15:18:30] cutwater: ибо JSON
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[15:19:05] cutwater: ну и возможно Integer, String, Boolean будут так же валидаторами
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[15:19:45] xa4a: ты хочешь странного
[15:19:57] cutwater: xa4a: ну я не знаю на самом деле чего я хочу
[15:20:02] cutwater: поэтому уже хз сколько мучаю эту тему
[15:20:08] xa4a: с этого стоит начинать
[15:20:10] cutwater: xa4a: задача - есть JSON
[15:20:14] xa4a: напиши тесты на то, чего ты хочешь
[15:20:16] cutwater: ок
[15:20:28] cutwater: xa4a: чтобы написать тесты, надо представлять интерфейс
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[15:20:45] xa4a: и не фантазируй больше, чем надо!
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[15:21:00] xa4a: чтобы написать код надо тем более представлять интерфейс
[15:21:29] cutwater: xa4a: можешь помочь с интерфейсом хотя бы =)
[15:21:58] cutwater: xa4a: вообще эта хрень предполагает собой валидацию к REST API интерфейсу
[15:22:34] xa4a: могу дать функцию для конвертации вложенных словарей в структуру похожую на request.POST
[15:22:46] xa4a: в formdata
[15:23:02] xa4a: flatten, вощем-та обычный поти
[15:23:04] xa4a: почти
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[15:23:12] xa4a: который потом в wtформу пихать
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[15:23:33] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/52626/
[15:23:44] cutwater: xa4a: ну мне надо вот примерно такие данные валидировать
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[15:24:07] xa4a: только чтобы ключи были постоянные
[15:24:21] cutwater: macToIp
[15:24:26] cutwater: ключи не постоянные
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[15:25:24] xa4a: поменяй чтобы были постоянными. тогда можно будет собирать просто в FieldList из FormField
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[15:25:48] cutwater: хм... вот ради причут WTForms апи менять не
[15:26:28] xa4a: ты не правильно используешь JSON
[15:26:31] xa4a: ЩТ
[15:26:32] xa4a: ON
[15:26:36] xa4a: object notation
[15:26:40] cutwater: хм...
[15:26:50] xa4a: и что у тебя на месте полей объекта стоит?
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[15:30:24] xa4a: интересно, а если из европы чуваки спрашивают grade average/GPA, как его считать?
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[15:32:30] Magister Yoda: cutwater: спешл фор ю
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[15:33:51] Magister Yoda: cutwater: есть форма. нужно отправить с неё данные не перезагружая страницу, при этом вырезать эту форму из страницы, после чего показывать прогресс выполнения операций
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[15:34:36] cutwater: Magister Yoda: тебе уже сказали django-celery
[15:34:56] cutwater: xa4a: я думаю с object notation мы уже как-нибудь повременим
[15:34:57] Magister Yoda: неа, celery тут не причём
[15:35:01] cutwater: Magister Yoda: да ну
[15:35:04] cutwater: ты ниасилил
[15:35:18] cutwater: Magister Yoda: можешь расскажешь более подробно какие операции тебе надо выполнять
[15:35:19] Magister Yoda: celery для многопоточных операций
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[15:36:01] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ииии?
[15:36:16] Magister Yoda: сабмит форм в однопоточном режиме
[15:37:25] cutwater: м.. и?
[15:37:42] cutwater: Magister Yoda: определись для начала что тебе надо. и расскажи нам об этом. телепатов нет
[15:38:06] Magister Yoda: я же тебе написал 4 поста назад что мне надо
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[15:38:51] cutwater: Magister Yoda: научись излагать мысли ясно
[15:39:09] cutwater: Magister Yoda: то что ты написал таки подходит под задачу celery
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[15:39:45] Magister Yoda: итак...
[15:39:51] cutwater: нужно отправить с неё данные не перезагружая страницу - AJAX
при этом вырезать эту форму из страницы - DOM
после чего показывать прогресс выполнения операций - AJAX + celery
[15:40:13] Magister Yoda: 1. сабмит формы без перезагрузки страницы - делается с помощью jQuery
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[15:40:36] Magister Yoda: 2. удаление со страницы формы - аналогично jQuery
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[15:41:15] Magister Yoda: 3. при сабмите формы на сервере начинают делаться операции
[15:41:42] Magister Yoda: 4. вместо удалённой формы показывается ход выполнения операций - jQuery.ajax
[15:42:01] xa4a: ты же знаешь, что такое ajax?
[15:42:07] xa4a: и чем он отличается от jquery?
[15:42:18] xa4a: и чем клиент отличается от сервера
[15:42:41] xa4a: продумай, что у тебя будет происходить на клиенте
[15:42:44] xa4a: ты почти всё изложил
[15:42:45] cutwater: Magister Yoda: а теперь внезапно вопрос, как ты себе представляешь "на сервере начинают делаться операции"
[15:42:54] xa4a: тольео 4-й пункт распиши детальнее
[15:43:01] Magister Yoda: я вообще-то говорю про http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/
[15:43:05] xa4a: откуда клиент узнает ход выполнение
[15:43:07] xa4a: *я
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[15:43:20] xa4a: он сразу получит ответ? или бует регулярно ходить?
[15:43:30] xa4a: или ему с сервера пушится будут результаты?
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[15:43:40] Magister Yoda: ajax будет обновлять с периодом
[15:43:45] xa4a: окей.
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[15:43:50] xa4a: тогда ещё раз
[15:43:53] xa4a: ты сабмитишь форму
[15:44:03] xa4a: что клиент при этом увидит
[15:44:08] xa4a: (клиент, который броузер)
[15:44:17] xa4a: что в ответ на аякс с формой получит?
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[15:44:46] cutwater: xa4a: http://dumpz.org/52631/
[15:44:52] cutwater: ну вот хотя бы в первом приближении
[15:45:19] xa4a: это wtforms.fields :)
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[15:45:44] xa4a: только в форме они сами-по-себе не работают, а только в форме
[15:45:50] Magister Yoda: (я не тупой) клиент увидит как исчезла форма, и вместо него появилась(ну в самом начале например) какая-нибудь надпись о том что началлось выполнение операций
[15:45:52] xa4a: *только в wtформе они сами-по-себе не работают, а только в форме
[15:46:10] xa4a: Magister Yoda: я же написал, что под клиентом подразумеваю броузер
[15:46:29] Magister Yoda: а я тебе сервер и не описывал
[15:46:36] xa4a: ты описывал пользователя
[15:46:40] xa4a: как клиента
[15:46:46] xa4a: у которого пропала форма и появилась надпись
[15:47:01] xa4a: а броузер - оперирует с джаваскриптом, сокетами, json, html, etvc
[15:47:09] cutwater: Magister Yoda: >> (я не тупой) сомнительно
[15:47:35] Magister Yoda: cutwater: здрасте, Евгений Ваганович
[15:48:07] cutwater: Magister Yoda: дык проблема в чем?
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[15:48:34] Magister Yoda: видимо в JS =)
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[15:48:55] xa4a: нет, в JS всё ок
[15:49:14] cutwater: Magister Yoda: может ты расскажешь, как ты эту операцию делаешь "на сервере"
[15:49:18] cutwater: и откуда на сервере узнаешь прогресс.
[15:49:34] xa4a: ты понимаешь, что если ты серверу что-то послал (форму), то сервер тебе должен на этот запрос что-то ответить?
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[15:50:02] Magister Yoda: понимаю, вот с этим уже сложнее
[15:50:11] cutwater: Magister Yoda: о чем тебе и говорят
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[15:50:44] xa4a: окей. если ты это понимаешь, то дальше ты должен понять, что если ты своё "что-то делается" не вынесешь в асинхронную очередь, то сервер (на джанге) не сможет тебе выдать никакого результата до того, как это что-то сделается до конца
[15:51:04] Magister Yoda: и это хреново
[15:51:09] xa4a: почти
[15:51:14] xa4a: это было бы хреново, если бы не придумали..
[15:51:18] xa4a: .. барабанная дробь..
[15:51:22] cutwater: celery ^_^
[15:51:23] xa4a: … асинхронную очередь!
[15:51:23] Magister Yoda: celery//
[15:51:41] Magister Yoda: бля >_>
[15:51:47] cutwater: Magister Yoda: ну на самом деле ты можешь сам написать своего воркера
[15:51:49] Magister Yoda: всё равно придётся его юзать
[15:51:49] xa4a: ты в первом запросе создаёшь задание и отвечаешь клиенту, что ок, форма засабмичена и принята к выполнению
[15:51:50] cutwater: и работать через базу.
[15:52:04] xa4a: это не задержит ответ
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[15:52:13] xa4a: и клиент сам сможет потом ходить регулярно снова
[15:52:17] cutwater: и обойтись без celery
[15:52:25] Typhon: NIH!1!!!!!
[15:52:31] xa4a: а ходить он будет на спец вьюху, которая будет проверять состояние задания в очереди и давать ответ с прогрессом
[15:52:33] Magister Yoda: cutwater: не запутывай
[15:53:01] cutwater: Typhon: на самом деле celery говно. мы его выкинули из проекта так как он нам не подходил
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[15:53:19] cutwater: ибо слишком много проблем с ручной баллансировкой задач etc.
[15:53:21] xa4a: "celery нам не подходил, поэтому он говно"
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[15:53:27] cutwater: xa4a: ^_^
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[16:06:24] gigimon: народ, у вас virtualenv нормально на мак оси работает?
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[16:10:30] xa4a: да
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[16:10:46] xa4a: только в консоль ругается, если его включать в каталоге с пакетом types
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[16:14:49] gigimon: блин
[16:15:24] gigimon: у меня так ругается http://dpaste.com/538034/
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[16:15:58] gigimon: xa4a: слушай, подскажи а какой PYTHONPATH у тебя в окружении?
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[16:17:22] gigimon: я почему-то думаю у меня настроен питон неправильно
[16:17:29] gigimon: т.к. пакеты ставятся только рутом =\
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[16:18:53] xa4a: http://paste.in.ua/2271/
[16:18:57] xa4a: дык э..
[16:19:03] xa4a: f? u[v
[16:19:06] xa4a: гхм
[16:19:11] xa4a: у меня питон из портов, если что
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[16:21:02] gigimon: а
[16:21:02] xa4a: и хз почему site-packages от виртуаленва в самом конце, ниже системного из /opt/local
[16:21:26] gigimon: у меня системный обычный, просто пытался до 2.7 обновиться и видимо сломал себе окружение
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[16:57:56] Magister Yoda: исчезновение формы работает :-D да и вроде даже запрос отправляется, вот только хз куда приходит
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[17:35:51] webninja: привет
[17:35:53] webninja: хех
[17:36:21] webninja: при деплое чето не видит некоторые модули дополнительные apache + mod_wsgi. их в ручную нужно прописывать?
[17:37:10] webninja: '/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django_grappelli-2.3.2-py2.6.egg',
вот так например
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[17:52:51] xa4a: webninja: или ставить туда, куда видит, или говорить, чтобы видел там, куда ставишь
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[17:53:58] Typhon: "ручную" -- это такой девайс, куда можно прописывать. "Хьюстон, пропишите данные в /ручную!"
[17:54:11] Typhon: xa4a, ты смог распарсить его запрос?
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[17:56:56] xa4a: да я, пока пишу диплом, особо восприимчив к любым отвлекающим факторам)
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[18:06:16] Typhon: xa4a, ты ж уже писал, вроде?
[18:06:24] Typhon: или бакалавр/магистр разные?
[18:07:27] xa4a: ну.. может когда-то начинал)
[18:07:48] xa4a: это первый и последний пока
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[18:39:49] xa4a: есть защитники меркуриала в эфире?
[18:39:52] xa4a: мне кажется, или он говно?
[18:40:06] xa4a: вот я хочу только некоторые изменения из какого-то файла закомитить
[18:40:13] Typhon: crecord
[18:40:24] Typhon: или просто record
[18:40:40] Typhon: какой-то из них лучше, поыткать надо пиранью
[18:40:45] xa4a: оукей..
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[18:41:12] Typhon: record, кажется, круче crecord'а.
[18:42:31] xa4a: а у crecord'a piranha в комитерах)
[18:43:24] xa4a: мне вот понравилось http://vimcasts.org/episodes/fugitive-vim-working-with-the-git-index/
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[18:44:47] Typhon: для хг, я думаю, тоже есть плагины. хотя вот для имакса магит круче, чем аналогичный для хг. но хг, в отличие от гита, удобнее пользоваться из консоле :D
[18:44:50] Typhon: *ли
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[18:46:04] webninja: хех а как говорить чтобы 'видел там, куда ставишь' ставится пипом в /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages
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[18:46:26] webninja: я прописал в django.wsgi типа sys.path.add ему пофигу
[18:46:54] webninja: 'yandex_maps_tags' is not a valid tag library
[18:48:21] xa4a: settings.INSTALLED_APPS <- 'yandex_maps' или как там
[18:48:28] webninja: есть
[18:48:35] webninja: локально работает
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[18:57:55] pbd: hello world
[18:58:07] cutwater: xa4a: ты таки прав. меркуриал уныл.
[18:58:12] pbd: Помогите начинающему
[18:58:46] cutwater: отличное начало. так держать xD
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[18:59:16] webninja: помогите лучше продолжающему )
[18:59:24] pbd: по wsgi есть пара вопросов - может кто помочь?
[18:59:29] webninja: о!
[18:59:53] xa4a: pbd: просто задай их
[18:59:58] pbd: ок
[19:00:05] xa4a: и садить к webninja рядышком :)
[19:00:13] xa4a: *садись
[19:00:13] pbd: я у здесь впервые :)
[19:00:24] xa4a: топик - в топике
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[19:03:27] pbd: вопрос такой - обработчики лучше вкладывать или вызывать последовательно. Какие тут за и против?
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[19:04:13] xa4a: эм.. смотря какие?
[19:04:28] xa4a: (начинающему - лучше использовать django, может?)
[19:04:36] cutwater: хороший совет
[19:04:45] gigimon: может он пхпшник?
[19:05:08] cutwater: пхпшников просьба оставаться на пхп
[19:05:20] pbd: хотелось бы самоу разобраться - джанго для этого мало подходит - не курить же джанго исходники
[19:05:39] cutwater: pbd: курить
[19:05:49] cutwater: pbd: ты пхпшник?
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[19:06:02] pbd: вопрос интересный
[19:06:31] pbd: у вас что делятся на пхпешников и не пхпешников?
[19:07:09] cutwater: ну пхпшники говно и не нужно
[19:07:17] wiz: нет, пхпшники делятся на пхпешников и не пхпешников
[19:07:34] cutwater: wiz: когнитивный диссонанс
[19:07:40] wiz: вовсе нет
[19:08:10] wiz: /me просто читает про рекурсивные типы в хацкеле
[19:08:15] cutwater: хех
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[19:09:27] pbd: у того кто сам пробовал писать фреймворки уже сложилось определенное мнение о том какие обработчики как вызывать. Я и спрашиваю какие предпочтения?
[19:09:47] wiz: пофиг
[19:09:51] cutwater: pbd: ну обычно нормальные люди фреймворки не пишут. все придумано за нас =)
[19:09:52] pbd: сори - не поддерживаю ваш срач на тему пхп - оно мне побоку
[19:10:03] cutwater: сказал челвоек, который пишет велосипед
[19:10:09] Typhon: блин, это я сегодня не могу вопросы распарсить, или они задаются как-то странно :-)
[19:10:18] pbd: я не пишу фреймворк - я пытаюсь понять как оно все работает
[19:10:19] wiz: ну не поддерживает же - просто пишет свой велосипед (=
[19:10:23] Typhon: pbd, я вот не пойму, какие обработчики ты хочешь вызывать :-(
[19:10:34] pbd: wsgi
[19:10:39] Typhon: !g pep 333
[19:10:41] wiz: и как их вкладывать?
[19:10:45] Typhon: pbd, читал?
[19:10:45] wiz: код в студию
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[19:10:57] Typhon: !g pep 3333
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[19:11:02] pbd: да нет никакого кода
[19:11:08] wiz: ну на нет и сюда нет
[19:11:10] Typhon: pbd, предлагаю почитать ПЕПы по ссылкам.
[19:11:25] Typhon: после половина вопросов (которые я пока не понял :-) )должны отпасть
[19:11:31] wiz: ты сначала напиши что-нибудь, так, эдак, а там уже и обсудить будет что
[19:11:54] pbd: так я не понял - писать велосипед или не писать?
[19:11:59] xa4a: не писать
[19:12:03] xa4a: сначала читать велосипеды
[19:12:06] Typhon: pbd, смотря для чего :-)
[19:12:10] xa4a: только послее этого думать о том, стоит ли писать
[19:12:12] Typhon: сначала читать ПЕПы!11!!
[19:12:19] pbd: так на кой мне предлагать писать
[19:12:21] Typhon: потом взять bottle, flask, svarga
[19:12:35] pbd: typhon спасибо - почитаю
[19:12:38] Typhon: а ещё лучше wsgiref
[19:12:47] Typhon: !pydoc wsgiref
[19:12:52] Typhon: pbd, ^
[19:13:12] pbd: я просто задал общий вопрос?
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[19:14:17] wiz: pbd, видимо нет
[19:14:39] pbd: ответ должен быть примерно таким - такие то обработчики вызываются на одном уровне а такие то лучше делать влоденными в другие (какие) - так сказать кто как видит?
[19:14:55] wiz: примеры обработчиков в студию
[19:15:10] pbd: wiz - ты уже определился писать велосипед или не писать?
[19:15:11] cutwater: /me допустим не понял о чем вообще речь
[19:15:21] wiz: /me уже написал и готов проконсультировать
[19:15:32] pbd: ну и?
[19:15:37] wiz: мы просто дружно не понимаем вопроса
[19:15:48] gigimon: pbd: ты беспредметно что-то хочешь узнать
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[19:15:57] gigimon: и читал ли пепы?
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[19:17:15] webninja: а если без жанго вроде можно веркцойг использовать
[19:17:24] cutwater: а можно и на потолке спать.
[19:17:29] cutwater: давайте конкретизируем проблему
[19:17:38] pbd: давайте
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[19:18:42] pbd: положим авторизация, сессия, подлючение к бд реализуются на одном уровне
[19:18:49] Typhon: pbd, риали, сначала стоит точно читнуть пеп (стандарт) как писать всги. а потом будут уже конкретные вопросы. пока неясно, какие обработчика (на что?!) куда вкладывать
[19:19:01] wiz: мидлварь он хочет, мидлварь
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[19:19:19] wiz: ответ я уже сказал - непринципиально совсем
[19:19:28] pbd: о наконец
[19:19:58] cutwater: wiz: молодец. приз за телепатию =)
[19:20:10] pbd: тебе приз за понятливость
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[19:22:53] xa4a: "положим авторизация, сессия, подлючение к бд реализуются на одном уровне". а мне приз за "использовать django"
[19:23:16] pbd: да это понятно - хоть мне больше импонирует пилон
[19:23:21] webninja: для простоты вычислений примем пи равным трем
[19:23:48] pbd: просто люблю понимать как оно все работает
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[19:24:16] wiz: пилон фу...
[19:24:34] wiz: уж лучше фласк
[19:24:38] pbd: не будем начинать :3
[19:25:20] wiz: к тому же он уже давно не пилон, а пирамид
[19:25:37] pbd: спасибо за информацию
[19:25:48] pbd: не зря я к вам заглянул
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[19:27:00] pbd: как лучше передавать переменные по обработчикам - дописывать к wsgi, или еще как - вопрос к wiz
[19:27:53] webninja: я щаз почитываю доки по фласку перед сном. только начал
[19:28:12] webninja: норм. тема
[19:28:16] pbd: перед сном оО
[19:28:50] webninja: канешно алхимия блин вынуждает писать много лишнего.
[19:28:56] webninja: транзакции делать
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[19:29:19] Typhon: autocommit
[19:29:46] wiz: pbd, по-разному, но в основном да, через env
[19:30:08] pbd: о мы друг друга понимаем :)
[19:30:56] wiz: альтернативных вариантов я вижу только два - через запрос или через внешнее хранилище (бд, кэш и пр.)
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[19:31:18] pbd: спасибо - всё стандартно
[19:31:32] wiz: ну а что тут выдумывать..
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[19:36:53] pbd: что касается вложений? при написании даже самой мелкой детали придерживаемся стандарта - благо он простейший - а вкладываем только очень связанные обработчики, которые можно использовать и при необходимости и на верхнем уровне? может так?
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[19:42:28] wiz: строго говоря, по стандарту WSGI они пишутся так чтобы их можно было вкладывать. но если ты пишешь сервер/фреймворк, то можешь их и последовательно вызывать с одним и тем же объектом окружения/запроса.
[19:43:14] wiz: вернее как бы одним и тем же. надо его забирать самому и передавать дальше
[19:43:31] pbd: о алаакбар. спасибо виз. :)
[19:43:49] wiz: иншалла
[19:43:57] pbd: :)
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[23:15:16] Tony: кто знает поддерживает ли i18n если в po файле в одном из msgid есть non ascii символ?
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[23:34:07] xa4a: вероятно да. ведь все эти gettext и построены вокруг идеи, что есть не только ascii
[23:34:18] Tony: я про msgid
[23:34:22] Tony: не про msgstr
[23:34:36] Tony: у меня щас просто пиздец полный с обновлением gettext и rosetta ебаный ужас
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