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[00:51:01] _lorien: конференция еврейских python-разработчиков
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[00:55:16] _lorien: А таки в чём вопрос? )
[00:55:25] _lorien: европитон я думаю легко гуглится
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[14:47:33] deepwalker: http://lamsonproject.org это хорошая штука?
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[14:47:39] deepwalker: никто не возился?
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[14:49:50] wiz_: интересная
[14:49:57] wiz_: я всё думаю куда-нибудь прицепить
[14:50:14] wiz_: хотя всё, что связано с email уже по-определению не хорошее
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[15:23:29] roku151: пригодится ли кому проект который можно в какой-то мере назвать "фреймворком"? и стоит ли мучиться с выкладыванием его в общий доступ? этакая связка SQLAlchemy + PyQT позволяющая одной строчкой + еще с описанием модели SQLAlchemy создать вот такое окошко(http://pics.kz/view/2384031) при этом со всеми определенными связями sqlalchemy. и если что-то надо переопределить, то переопределить можно) таблицу, меню расположение, добавить кнопки, убрать кнопки и т.д. и т.п
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[15:25:24] lomantik: Всем привет. Есть тут люди, имеющие опыт с созданием daemon-ов?
[15:28:13] roku151: видимо не пригодится) а кто-нибудь это прочитал?)
[15:29:20] Typhon: roku151: такое уже есть, но это не повод не выкладывать, если сделал
[15:29:26] wiz_: roku151, выкладывай
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[15:29:48] roku151: Typho
[15:29:49] xa4a: roku151: если ты выложишь, а потом ещё где-то опишешь, типа своего блога или того же забра, то желающие найдутся почти точно
[15:29:55] Typhon: lomantik: лучше всего пусть за тебя runit демона делает, напирмер, если у тебя вопрос какой-то — ты задавай, не стесняйся
[15:30:12] xa4a: *хабра
[15:30:26] roku151: Typhon, а что за проект?
[15:31:53] Typhon: roku151: http://www.python-camelot.com/
[15:32:19] Typhon: и ещё какой-то был, но может без алхимии, для морд к базам, типа, не помню называния
[15:32:32] lomantik: Мне надо создать некий, постоянно висящий в системе, процесс, который будет принимать запросы от внешнего консольного приложения и работать с базой sqlite. Короче, маленький самодельный сервер. Соответственно вопросы с созданием демона, способом общения с ним и коннектом с базой (в последнем уже разобрался).
[15:32:36] wiz_: Typhon, sqlobject?
[15:33:36] xa4a: elixir?
[15:33:41] Typhon: wiz_: не, не орм
[15:33:53] Typhon: и не "типа орм", а такой типа rad
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[15:36:02] Typhon: dabo
[15:36:05] Typhon: http://dabodev.com/
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[15:39:41] roku151: Typhon, пользовался чем-нибудь из этого? если пользовался то как тебе? полезные тулзы?
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[15:40:03] Typhon: roku151: не пользовался ^_^, гуи не писал
[15:41:09] Typhon: lomantik: ну либо бери либку (pytho-daemons, или типа того), либо руками всё (форк, сетсид, реопен стд{in;out;err} и тд), либо пусть кто-нибудь за тебя демонизирует, например — ранит. он ещё и перезапускать будет
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[15:43:58] lomantik: Typhon: ясно. Я нашел python-daemon, но на него нет нормальной документации, или примера использования. А на счет "ранит" можно поподробнее? Ссылочку например?
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[15:44:47] xa4a: !g python runit
[15:45:39] lomantik: Сенькаю :)
[15:46:13] Typhon: да не, можно без python : http://smarden.org/runit/
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[15:49:43] lomantik: Так же имеется проблема заключающаяся в том, что все это чуть позже придется перекладывать на windows, и, соответственно, сервисы.
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[17:07:43] cutwater: _lorien: у меня вопрос по джанге навеяный только что решенной проблемой
[17:08:03] cutwater: _lorien: в джанге импорты использовать абсолютные относительно проекта или относительно application
[17:08:04] cutwater: ?
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[17:14:19] xa4a: абсолютные, относительно application
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[17:14:54] cutwater: xa4a: а в settings.py их как прописывать?
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[17:15:04] xa4a: так и прописывай
[17:15:07] xa4a: а в чём проблема?
[17:15:30] xa4a: INSTALLED_APPS = ['registration', 'my_app1', 'my_app2']
[17:15:35] cutwater: xa4a: вобщем штука вот в чем. у меня в двух разных местах два раза импортируются один и тот же модуль
[17:15:56] cutwater: потому что я в settings.py использовал импорты относительно проекта

projectname.appname
[17:16:02] cutwater: а внутри относительно имени модуля.
[17:16:12] xa4a: projname выпили везде
[17:16:34] xa4a: projectname*
[17:16:39] cutwater: ок
[17:16:50] xa4a: и добавь просто путь до projectname в PYTHONPATH
[17:16:57] xa4a: если ещё не сделал
[17:17:14] cutwater: сделал
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[19:39:58] milovanovmm: Привет всем, помогите пожалуйста с порождением дочернего процесса на питоне. Например под Виндой, создаю subprocess в котором вызываю приложение, у которого в свою очередь вылетает exseption, есть ли способ чтобы окно виндовое не вылетало ?
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[19:57:32] creitve: как в BeautifulSoup делать поиск по классу, если class - ключевое (ну или резервированное) слово
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[19:58:44] creitve: ну типа soup.findAll('p', align="center") работает
[19:59:08] creitve: а soup.findAll('p', class="myClass") нет, потому что class не юзается
[19:59:26] creitve: как это экранировать?
[19:59:55] creitve: нашёл
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[20:12:51] milovanovmm: помогите пожалуйста с порождением дочернего процесса на питоне. Например под Виндой, создаю subprocess в котором вызываю приложение, у которого в свою очередь вылетает exseption, есть ли способ чтобы окно виндовое не вылетало ?
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[20:29:01] cutwater: milovanovmm: чините приложение, которое вызываете.
[20:29:14] cutwater: по хорошему корректно сделать то что вы хотите нельзя.
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[20:43:06] milovanovmm: cutwater: Дело в том что я должен отследить произошла ли ошибка в дочернем приложении или нет. Как - это понятно, вот только ошибка Windows возникает, как её убрать есть ли способ ?
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[22:55:47] cutwater: очень глупый вопрос
[22:55:56] cutwater: но на чем щас лучше всего разворачивать django приложение
[22:56:26] cutwater: фактически проект представляет исключительно REST api интейфейс.
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[23:00:00] _lorien: nginx + supervisor + uwsgi
[23:00:21] cutwater: uwsgi стабилен?
[23:00:27] _lorien: хз )
[23:00:34] _lorien: а как это определить?
[23:01:31] cutwater: хм... ну просто надо решение для наших заказчиков. им пофигу на чем разворачивать, главное чтобы работало
[23:01:45] xa4a: чем апатч + mod_wsgi не угодил? каноничненько..
[23:01:45] _lorien: Ну и? Что значит стабилен?

[23:02:21] _lorien: Для заказчиков я бы рекомендовал apache/mod_wsgi он наверное более "стабилен". что бы это не значило
[23:02:27] cutwater: хехехе
[23:02:34] _lorien: нет, ну каких-то мистических глюков я не вижу на своих сайтах
[23:02:39] _lorien: может я просто их не замечаю
[23:02:44] _lorien: да и сайты у меня так себе )
[23:02:57] cutwater: xa4a: ну мало ли. раньше под nginx поддержки wsgi не было . я почему и спрашиваю об актуальном состоянии вещей.
[23:03:08] _lorien: ну вот на один заходит 10к хостов в день, видимо что-то им выдаётся раз деньги с рекламы капают )
[23:03:18] _lorien: uwsgi, а не wsgi
[23:03:21] cutwater: ну ок =)
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[23:03:26] cutwater: _lorien: я понял
[23:03:37] cutwater: о uwsgi слышал, но не работал. попробуем-с
[23:03:56] _lorien: там отдельный демон запускается и какой-то свой протокол, я толком не понял, короче шо-то типа fastcgi
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[23:04:32] _lorien: mod_uwsg знает про протокол uwsgi и c помощью mod_uwsgi nginx общается с демоном сайта, запущенным посредством uwsgi-команды
[23:04:39] _lorien: А uwsgi команда уже знает про wsgi
[23:05:01] cutwater: оок. разберусь, спасибо.
[23:05:19] _lorien: ага, ты уже три раза написал, что ок, посмотришь )
[23:05:25] _lorien: достаточно :)
[23:05:37] cutwater: :)
[23:05:40] cutwater: убедил
[23:07:07] _lorien: А кто-нить хочет поработать? Есть проект тыщ на 50 рублей.
[23:07:23] cutwater: рублей?
[23:07:29] cutwater: русский в смысле?
[23:07:32] cutwater: *х
[23:07:33] _lorien: ага
[23:07:42] cutwater: /me пилит диплом к сожалению.
[23:08:06] _lorien: клон жоб портала: надо вакансии уметь создавать и резюме и искать по ним, я вообще ещё не анализировал его, может и нереально такое за 50к сделать
[23:08:22] _lorien: вернее вопрос во времеи и в том кто согласится его потратить за эти деньги
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[23:08:31] _lorien: там формы ебанутые - мильон полей )
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[23:09:29] _lorien: как оказалось людей достаточно много, кто готов платить за менеджмент проектов, теперь надо как-то научиться разработчиков искать и вот тут всякие головняки с баблом возникают
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[23:14:34] gigimon: _lorien: ушел в управленцы?
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[23:18:31] _lorien: пытаюсь
[23:18:59] gigimon: эх...
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[23:19:21] gigimon: я вот тож пытался, но всем почему-то нужны в офис
[23:19:29] gigimon: и даже пхпшников фиг найдешь
[23:19:31] gigimon: в моем городе
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[23:22:24] _lorien: ммм, не знаю, честно говоря я вообще не давал объяв, что мол хочу быть менеджером, просто пара людей которые ко мне стучались, с просьбой проект сделать, согласились мне денег за менеджмент дать
[23:22:52] _lorien: хотя за этой формулировкой ничего не кроется - просто им надо положить деньги в точку A, а взять в точке B
[23:23:15] _lorien: так что блять не менеджер я, а владелец виртуальной веб-студии получается
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[23:23:37] _lorien: (02:18:32 AM) gigimon: и даже пхпшников фиг найдешь
(02:18:34 AM) gigimon: в моем городе
какой славный город :)
[23:24:00] _lorien: Я вчера на форуме написал, что хочу с омскими python-прогерами познакомиться - гробовое молчание
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[23:24:27] gigimon: _lorien: угу, я тоже уже месяц держу такое объявление, только сегодня написали, что хотели бы поговорить и нанять на работу :)
[23:24:31] gigimon: и как-бы все
[23:24:50] gigimon: а пхпшников, миллион вакансий висит, тоже ищут
[23:25:13] _lorien: не, ну на одеске я так работаю уже, там тоже не проблема думаю найти, просто меня чуток напрягает на одеске с америкосами изъясняться или не знаю что меня напрягает, почему я хернеё страдаю, а там не беру ещё проекты
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[23:25:32] _lorien: наверное я просто ничего не делал, а эти чуваки - сами постучались, видимо, в этом причина
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[23:26:03] _lorien: gigimon: хочешь сайт сделать за 50к? :)
[23:26:30] gigimon: _lorien: да я читал твое, пока нет времени, диплом
[23:26:52] _lorien: а, точно, я блин путаю ники )
[23:26:54] gigimon: _lorien: а сроки и тз на твое усмотрение адекватны?
[23:26:57] gigimon: :)
[23:27:59] _lorien: ну скажем сроки то прогер выдвигает, но вообще его надо несколько недель делать, может месяц, Вот тут самое интересное - кому-то 50к в месяц норм, кому-то очень мало
[23:28:20] gigimon: хех, мне с головой, но я думаю что за месяц не успею :D
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[23:28:32] gigimon: хотя хз, никогда не делал проекты со сроками
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[23:28:54] _lorien: Я тоже пару лет назад работал год за 50-60к и норм было, стабильные деньги, сейчас считаю, что мало, НО я не получаю даже этих денег щас в месяц ))
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[23:29:18] _lorien: не, ну я и не работаю конечно ))
[23:29:21] gigimon: :)
[23:29:34] gigimon: ну, у меня около 30к доход в месяц, что вполне норм
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[23:30:13] _lorien: Проекты со сроками - да как бы тривиально, выделяешь в день некоторое время на проект и так каждый день. А потом успеваешь в срок или не успеваешь ))
[23:30:33] gigimon: та понятное дело, я боюсь связываться, т.к. не уверен в силах =(
[23:30:38] gigimon: надо с этим что-то делать
[23:30:43] gigimon: а подводить никого не хочется
[23:31:25] _lorien: У меня другая проблема, в силах я уверен, чувствую опыт, но знаю, что через пару недель проект меня затрахает и я грубо говоря - положу болт на него.
[23:31:45] gigimon: гг
[23:33:26] _lorien: gigimon: на одеске тоже проекты какие-то есть, мы всё никак их не соберёмся с человеком обсудить, там тоже возможно нужны люди будут
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[23:33:47] gigimon: _lorien: если через пару недель это, то зови
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