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[00:51:30] gigimon: кто-нить из javascript'tров есть?
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[00:53:07] roku151: в чем трабла?
[00:53:28] gigimon: как сделать такой регулятор? http://d.pr/b3XL
[00:53:34] gigimon: именно внешнйи вид
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[00:53:52] gigimon: не понимаю, как можно определить значение, на которое мы тыцнули?
[00:55:07] roku151: http://docs.jquery.com/Tutorials:Mouse_Position
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[00:57:26] gigimon: ага, понял))
[00:57:41] gigimon: вычисляем позицию элемента на котором тыкаем и где тыкнули
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[01:02:07] roku151: берешь впихиваешь все это в div. находишь c пощью jquery его положение(высоту и ширину)
[01:02:39] roku151: оть) ссорь. случайно ентер нажал) ща напишу) в приват
[01:03:13] gigimon: да я понял принцип
[01:03:14] gigimon: спс
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[01:30:38] creitve: на машине есть юзер root и юзер для сайта. нет разницы, из-под какого юзера и куда собирать питон?
[01:31:38] creitve: также из-под кого и в чьём каталоге создавать virtual env
[01:33:20] _lorien: есть смысл делать из-под пользователя, а питоне не собирать, а ставить из пакетов, как я писал тут пару дней назад, вроде именно тебе )
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[01:35:04] creitve: lf
[01:35:05] creitve: да
[01:35:12] creitve: но до того как ты писал
[01:35:47] creitve: я спросил на stackoverflow, и после твоих объяснений там появился развёрнутый ответ почему не стоит
[01:35:58] gigimon: потому что рут
[01:36:08] gigimon: да и собирать ручками не имеет смысла
[01:37:28] creitve: меня в общем испугали, что если брать покеты из тестовой ветки то всё всё ломается
[01:37:34] creitve: и это будет не разгрести
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[01:40:35] creitve: я, наверное, кажусь безнадёжным, просто пекусь о стабильности production сервера
[01:43:45] gigimon: зачем тебе тогда тестовая ветка?
[01:43:48] gigimon: ставь стабильное все
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[01:44:15] creitve: ну я пошёл на Python и увидел, что последний стабильный 2.7.1
[01:44:27] gigimon: ну и?
[01:44:34] creitve: ну и ставлю его
[01:44:43] gigimon: пакетом надеюсь?
[01:44:48] creitve: а под squeeze нет пакета 2.7.1
[01:44:54] creitve: только тестовый wheezy
[01:44:54] gigimon: ну и оставь 2.6
[01:45:01] gigimon: зачем тебе этот 2.7 ты знаешь?
[01:45:10] creitve: понятия не имею
[01:45:15] creitve: мб джанге пригодится
[01:45:16] gigimon: ну и че тогда паришься?
[01:45:30] gigimon: 2.6 оставь из стабильного и не парься
[01:45:30] Typhon: СТАБИЛЬНОСТИ хочет! %)
[01:45:40] Typhon: поэтому руками собирает с неизвестными флагами неизвестно как %)
[01:45:43] gigimon: Typhon: поэтому компилирует питон 2.7? :D
[01:45:53] creitve: ага понял кажется принцип
[01:46:02] gigimon: принцип чего?
[01:46:12] creitve: ну понятие стабильности
[01:46:26] creitve: я же ничерта серьёзного не разворачивал, так баловство на десктопе
[01:46:30] gigimon: не ставить руками и из непонятных мест)
[01:46:32] creitve: ну и о версиях не парился
[01:48:42] creitve: спасибо в общем, пока всё идёт норм
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[01:50:37] gigimon: creitve: что ты в качестве веб-сервера выбрал?
[01:50:48] creitve: uWSGI
[01:50:51] creitve: + nginx
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[01:51:18] gigimon: взял бы cherokee, там конфиги писать не надо :)
[01:51:39] creitve: да ладно, опыт будет хоть
[01:51:57] gigimon: да я так, мне просто конфиги нгинкса не нравятся)
[01:52:14] Typhon: чероки + всги у меня как говно работало
[01:52:14] creitve: ладно, с компа гонят, пойду с телефона с ssh продолжу.
[01:52:22] gigimon: Typhon: всмысле?
[01:52:23] creitve: ок, погуглю
[01:52:23] Typhon: не стал бы на продакшн совать
[01:52:27] gigimon: медленно или что?
[01:52:31] Typhon: gigimon, в смысле, не работало %)
[01:52:40] Typhon: конфиги не цеплялись, например
[01:52:48] gigimon: ну хз, у меня и фласк и рор и джанга запущены, работают
[01:52:57] gigimon: без всяких проблем
[01:53:00] Typhon: по каким-то странным настройкам увсги работал
[01:53:03] gigimon: может на ранних версиях бока были
[01:53:10] Typhon: может обновили
[01:53:12] Typhon: угу
[01:53:18] gigimon: щас 1.0.22 кажется
[01:53:22] gigimon: давно не обновляли правда
[01:53:26] gigimon: интересно что мутят
[01:53:35] gigimon: или ушли в свой marketplace
[01:53:37] Typhon: короче, дальше тестов не пошло никуда :-) увсги у меня до 1ы был
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[01:54:42] gigimon: 1.2.2 оказывается
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[11:34:16] wiz_: чем бы подебажить uwsgi? catch-exceptions ему сказал, но он всё равно говорит просто 500 и отыпить
[11:34:20] wiz_: *сь
[11:35:01] slav0nic: а в еррор логе сервера ничё?
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[11:38:18] wiz_: неа
[11:38:46] wiz_: я через встроеный http запускаю, без nginx пока
[11:39:38] slav0nic: ну он вроде должен ошибки в консоль кидать
[11:39:48] slav0nic: или ты как демон стартуешь?
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[11:40:24] wiz_: GET /rates/ => generated 291 bytes in 88 msecs (HTTP/1.1 500) 2 headers in 84 bytes
[11:40:37] wiz_: и всё 7:
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[11:42:30] slav0nic: может само приложение сэедает эксепшн и просто 500 кидает?
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[11:48:15] wiz_: ну так посмотреть бы его
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[11:48:43] wiz_: The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the application.
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[11:50:44] slav0nic: ну а без uwsgi? я имею ввиду может в самой аппе try: except: raise Http500 чёт такое
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[11:57:10] wiz_: та не
[11:57:17] wiz_: app.run() работает (фласк)
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[11:59:15] slav0nic: ну так а чё app.run(debug=True) не сделать?
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[12:01:01] wiz_: так и стоит сейчас
[12:01:51] cutwater: кстати, подскажите актуальную информацию, какой-нибудь VDS вменяемый на сегодня
[12:02:44] wiz_: походу придётся тупо под скрином запускать 7:
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[12:05:15] _lorien: o_O
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[12:06:28] slav0nic: cutwater, linode
[12:06:36] _lorien: ага
[12:07:48] cutwater: а кто-нибудь с hetzner работал?
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[12:12:24] slav0nic: уже как-то обсуждали, почитай на сайтах про хостеров отзывы
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[12:13:17] cutwater: slav0nic: подскажи где?
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[12:13:21] _lorien: cutwater: бери на linode и не парься )
[12:13:40] _lorien: проект нагруженный? Если нет, то какая разница, линода норм. серверы
[12:13:44] cutwater: _lorien: дык цена очень сильно отличается =)
[12:13:44] slav0nic: да, по реф ссылке питонсу)
[12:13:52] cutwater: ок
[12:13:57] _lorien: ну там 20 баков в месяц, мне кажется норм
[12:14:14] _lorien: а что, на хетцнере разве есть дешевле 20 баков?
[12:14:22] cutwater: 7 баксов вроде не?
[12:14:30] cutwater: VQ7
[12:15:04] _lorien: не, 7, а 7.9 и не баксов, а евро, ну да, дешевле вроде
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[12:15:36] cutwater: _lorien: ну да.
[12:15:39] _lorien: это 11 баков
[12:15:55] cutwater: ну выходит разница почти в 2 раза
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[12:20:24] _lorien: Ну да.
[12:20:30] _lorien: Ну, бери на хетцнере ))
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[12:44:29] wiz_: плин, под nginx-ом тоже такая же пустая infernal server error )):
[12:44:46] wiz_: это фря говно, uwsgi говно или я говно?..
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[12:47:13] _lorien: хм
[12:47:16] _lorien: смотри ошибки в логах базы данных )
[12:47:23] _lorien: у тебя постгрес?
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def index():
return render_template('base.html')
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[15:50:08] Trec: сайт запущен с помошью Django + nginx + FastCGI, статика отдеётся нормально, главная страница собераеться нормально, но когда я пытаюсь перейти по внутренним ссылкам, то url собераеться нормально, но никуда не переходит, тоесть как будто главная пересобераеться, только под новым урлом, в логах nginx ошибок нет. Что это может быть?
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[15:55:59] gigimon: а что-нибудь появляется когда переходишь по ссылке?
[15:57:25] Trec: gigimon: тупо таже страница, только статика пропадает (картинки все), но статика то фигня, ошибся де-то в настройках nginx, но вот почему другой htmlне подтягивает это вопрос. Локально если что всё работало на ура, на встроеном сервере python
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[16:09:39] xa4a: я вообще не шарю, как nginx конфигурировать, но, думаю, нужен твой конфиг на пастбин
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[16:15:04] Trec: xa4a: а с пастбином можно и не заморачиваться, конфиг один в один с этим, я по этому руководству настраивал http://debianworld.ru/articles/ustanovka-i-nastrojka-django-nginx-cherez-fastcgi-flup-v-debian-ubuntu/
[16:15:32] gigimon: xa4a: ты на апаче?
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[16:16:07] gigimon: /me не настраивал nginx с джангой
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[16:19:11] xa4a: gigimon: я вообще на дев сервере :)
[16:19:21] xa4a: но кроме апача ничего не пробовал настраивать
[16:19:21] gigimon: хы
[16:19:56] Trec: ээээ, что-то по вопросу моему будет?
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[16:20:55] xa4a: Trec: ошибка, если есть, то где-то тут # связь с fastcgi сервером
location / {

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[16:21:25] xa4a: вставь дебагер в джангу, посмотри, что тебе в реквесте приходит в request.META
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[16:23:19] avida: Привет, кто-то пользовался HTMLParser из htmllib ?
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[16:34:53] cutwater: хм... /me тут потыкал в pycharm
[16:35:09] avida: Как отловить когда заканчивается тэг?
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[16:36:16] cutwater: avida: Deprecated since version 2.6: The htmllib module has been removed in Python 3.0.
[16:36:19] nmk: cutwater: и как?
[16:36:24] avida: я знаю
[16:36:28] avida: у меня 2.7
[16:36:53] cutwater: nmk: ну автокомплит такой же кривой как и везде. и увы я сомневаюсь что кто-нибудь когда-нибудь сделает лучше
[16:37:07] cutwater: импорты из werkzeug ни одна IDE не понимает. что характерно
[16:37:08] nmk: там хороший автокомплит :)
[16:37:16] nmk: из werkzeug -- да
[16:37:18] avida: start_p (для тэга p) срабатывает, а end_p - нет.
[16:37:49] cutwater: avida: а у тебя в html этот тег закрывается?
[16:38:07] nmk: cutwater: pycharm много лучше pydev'а
[16:38:20] cutwater: nmk: не сомневаюсь =)
[16:38:22] cutwater: но я в виме пишу
[16:38:36] cutwater: и пока они не начнут понимать веркцойг я вим не променяю
[16:38:53] nmk: ну мне в pycharm нравятся всякие шурткаты типа показать исходник не переходя в него
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[16:39:00] avida: cutwater: да
[16:39:01] nmk: показать парамтеры
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[16:39:53] cutwater: nmk: ну я понимаю. я вот просто тоже задумался мол было бы неплохо иметь IDE к виму... но пока что они меня разочаровывают =)
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[16:40:18] cutwater: вот бы еще JetBrains для C++ IDE выпустили =) цены бы им не было
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[16:46:19] xa4a: nmk: вим тоже показывает параметры и, вероятно, исходник может
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[17:03:15] gigimon: pycharm же тормоз несусветный
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[17:06:17] nmk: тормоз. на больших файлах тормозит примерно также как pydev
[17:06:36] nmk: памяти, правда, жрет меньше
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[17:13:22] gigimon: по мне он тормозит сильнее))
[17:13:28] gigimon: даже на моих мелких проектах
[17:13:30] gigimon: и гуи тормоз
[17:13:53] nmk: а тачка то какая? :)
[17:14:01] nmk: у меня далеко не новая и ок вроде все
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[17:14:06] nmk: может, конечно, я привык
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[17:21:57] wiz_: xxx: Всем привет. Надо продвинуть в поисковиках сайт по запчастям. Есть здесь SEO-специалисты?
yyy: Они все ушли к контрольной по алгебре готовиться :(
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[17:25:26] _lorien: Не очень понятен прикол, если честно.
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[17:26:50] wiz_: те, специалисты, которые ему сайт написали уже контрольную написали. теперь надо продвинуть.
[17:27:38] Typhon: wiz_: не распарсил
[17:27:44] Typhon: а лорьена задели за живое! %)
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[17:42:25] огыешсук: _lorien теперь сеошник?
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[17:45:41] _lorien: нет, я только знаю основные принципы
[17:46:28] inpython: ога, как то не понятно
[17:47:49] cutwater: xa4a: надо написать свою IDE с блекджеком и werkzeug
[17:48:26] inpython: парни, а не у кого нет случайно, Изучаем питон 3-изд. именно пдф варинта издательства, а не того что по нету гуляет
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[17:49:19] nmk: cutwater: вообще я думаю что никто не сделает нормального автокомплита для werkzeug, если только не захардкодит
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[17:50:03] xa4a: а что в werkzeug? он сам себя генерирует динамически?
[17:50:40] nmk: ну он sys.modules['werkzeug'] подменяет
[17:51:35] xa4a: хорошо, что я не знаю зачем
[17:52:15] cutwater: вопрос зачем?
[17:52:27] nmk: что бы импортировать красивее
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[17:52:57] nmk: типа ты пишешь from werkzeug import run_simple, а оно на самом деле идет из werkzeug.serving
[17:53:03] nmk: вообщем -- хз зачем так
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[17:54:04] cutwater: nmk: ну может типа импорт по вызову
[17:54:13] cutwater: аля lazy import
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[17:54:22] nmk: так и есть
[17:54:38] cutwater: как научить IDE это понимать?
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[17:54:43] nmk: никак
[17:54:48] nmk: захардкодить
[17:54:49] cutwater: плохо
[17:55:01] cutwater: nmk: была бы возможность захардкодить, я бы захардкодил
[17:55:01] nmk: это же код надо выполнять
[17:55:21] cutwater: а почему бы не написать IDE которая будет код выполнять =)
[17:55:35] cutwater: nmk: и все таки. какая IDE позволяет захардкодить
[17:55:40] nmk: ну ты же там и rm -rf / можешь написать
[17:55:47] nmk: какая ide не знаю
[17:56:15] nmk: в pycharm можно баг написать
[17:56:18] nmk: может придумают чего
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[18:19:21] gigimon: nmk: тачка: первая ноут с core2duo и 4 гигами озу (ось х64 мак), вторая атлон64 2 ядра по 2.1 ГГц и 2 гб озу с виндой, тормозит одинаково
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[18:21:14] nmk: а тормозит то по сравнению с vim? :)
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[18:23:09] gigimon: с pydev
[18:23:15] gigimon: и эклипсом)
[18:23:31] gigimon: я думаю вим только с емаксом можно сравнивать
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[18:23:57] nmk: а давно ты сравнивал?
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[19:04:25] gigimon: nmk: последний pycharm когда вышел
[19:04:27] gigimon: тогда и сравнивал
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[19:05:29] Trec: кто-то в настройках Nginx шарит?
[19:05:50] nmk: слушай. ну. я смотрю на рабочей тачке своей, на линуксе 32х битном с 4 гб мозгов, core2duo -- все ок, на ноует i7 с 4гб мозгов x64 os x, и везде вроде как ок. возможно я уже просто привык к тормозным программам. :)
[19:05:52] nmk: Trec: ты спрашивай :)
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[19:09:49] gigimon: nmk: может ты привык)) но эклипс как-то побыстрее и редактор и менюшки не тормозят
[19:09:56] gigimon: а вот pycharm печалька :(
[19:10:05] gigimon: именно гуи тормозит
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[19:10:44] nmk: ну у меня впечатление ровно наоборот, хотя, наверное с settingsами ты прав :) + в pycharm нормально подхватываются добавления/удаление пакетов куда-либо. в pydev это мука лезть в настройки и прочее.
[19:11:43] gigimon: угу
[19:11:53] gigimon: у меня pydev то автодополняет, то нет)
[19:12:48] Trec: тут статика только на главную страницу отдаётся и локальные ссылки в урле ссылка меняется, но никуда не переходит, только главная как бы перезагружается, встроеный сервер для тэста запускал, всё работает отлично http://pastebin.com/aSeh2nz8
[19:13:54] nmk: еще б вопрос усылшать
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[19:14:40] Trec: почему локальные ссылки не переходят, а перегружают только главную?
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[19:15:30] nmk: в смысле не переходят?
[19:16:02] Trec: ну в урле ссылки меняются, а никуда не переходит, просто главную перегружает
[19:16:08] nmk: а
[19:16:19] Trec: локально и на встроином всё работает, значит с Django всё ок
[19:16:35] nmk: что в fastcgi_params? стандартный nginxовый?
[19:17:07] Trec: по этим настройкам настраивал http://debianworld.ru/articles/ustanovka-i-nastrojka-django-nginx-cherez-fastcgi-flup-v-debian-ubuntu/
я хз как должно быть
[19:17:31] gigimon: Trec: в access_log ты видишь переходы?
[19:17:51] Trec: да, показывает что всё ок
[19:18:09] gigimon: а дебаг в джанге включен?
[19:18:17] Trec: да
[19:18:25] gigimon: подебажь, может не нгинкс виноват
[19:18:26] Trec: всё без ошибок проходит
[19:19:00] Trec: кликаю все ссылки, урлы меняются и главная перегружается, ну статика только пропадает
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[19:23:16] nmk: а в джанговской консоли ты урлы не видешь на которые переход идет?
[19:23:43] Trec: ээээ, я не знаю такой, или не понял
[19:23:54] nmk: ну где ты flup запускаешь
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[19:25:59] Trec: я его не запускаю, я его рас поставил и больше не трогал
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[19:27:05] nmk: ну запусти как manage.py runfcgi debug=true socket=/home/django-projects/debianworld_ru/logs/django-server.sock daemonize=fals
только старый грохни
[19:27:15] nmk: я просто не знаю пишет он какой-то лог в консоль или нет
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[19:29:47] Trec: дофига всего вывалилось, и в конце ERROR один
[19:30:22] nmk: ну, прикольно, чо. что написано в дофига всего то? :)
[19:31:45] Trec: http://pastebin.com/F4GZe1n3
[19:32:07] nmk: daemonize=false
[19:32:13] nmk: manage.py runfcgi debug=true socket=/home/django-projects/debianworld_ru/logs/django-server.sock daemonize=false
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[19:35:02] Trec: запустил и собственно всё ) ничё не произошло
[19:35:13] nmk: ну ты по урлам походил?
[19:35:33] Trec: не, сайт не работает
[19:35:37] Trec: 502 Bad Gateway
[19:35:58] nmk: путь к сокету тот же что в конфиге?
[19:36:16] Trec: да, в логе лежит
[19:36:51] nmk: а в прошлый раз как запускал runfcgi ?
[19:37:22] Trec: как в руководстве

sudo -u dw python /home/django-projects/debianworld_ru/apps/manage.py \
runfcgi method=prefork \
maxchildren=10 maxspare=5 minspare=2 maxrequests=100 \
socket=/home/django-projects/debianworld_ru/logs/django-server.sock \
pidfile=/home/django-projects/debianworld_ru/logs/django-server.pid \
umask=007
[19:37:36] Trec: ой, ссори за мусор
[19:38:21] nmk: м. а если туда debug=true daemonize=false добавить и запустить?
[19:39:09] nmk: или дай шел туда -- погляжу сам. че-то интересно мне стало.
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[19:39:59] Trec: nmk: ок
[19:40:21] Trec: ща попробую вставить если ничё не выйдет, то шел дам
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[23:55:26] Tony: SomeModel.objects.values('pk') вернет list dict'ов. как получить просто лист всех pk? как-то вроде в django можно это сделать в одну строку и без list comprehension
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