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[07:01:53] Magister Yoda: http://woorkup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/jQuery-1.5-Visual-Cheat-Sheet.pdf кто-нить такую штуку на русском знает? и чтобы для jQ 1.6 желательно)
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[12:18:36] webninja: на другой сервер. мне хочется разделить его на вдсов несколько. у меня и сейчас разделен, через OpenVZ, но говорят это не очень хорошее решение (что вполне логично). какие есть варианты виртуализации?
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[12:23:29] wiz: чем не хорошее то?
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[12:25:21] _lorien: я слышал, что там память жёстко не фиксируется, хотят впихнуть побольше серверов на один реальный сервер
[12:25:35] _lorien: короче я толком нихера не понял, но часто слышал плохое про openvz
[12:25:50] wiz: так это ж фича, а не бага (=
[12:25:53] wiz: оверкоммит
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[12:27:05] _lorien: Ну фича или бага, один хрен получается жопа приходит vds-кам )
[12:27:32] _lorien: Я кстати бы никогда не додумался разделять сервер на виртуальные, если там что-то ёбнется.... боюсь долго буду восстанавливать
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[12:32:26] webninja: например такая тема есть запуск quid ложит надо наглухо )
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[12:32:54] webninja: *squid
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[12:37:48] _lorien: Может проще разные vps-ки покупать? )
[12:38:00] _lorien: Дороже будет, но надёжнее имхо.
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[12:43:59] _lorien: кто-нить мерял нетворк спид из браузера?
[12:44:12] _lorien: может есть опенсорс наработки для этого качественные?
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[13:27:11] webninja: да хз проще ли ) так в одном месте платишь и все у хетцнера бэкап есть 100гиг
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[13:30:38] Typhon: _lorien, нет, наработок не было, около полугода назад. начали писать сами, но уже без меня :-)
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[13:44:22] gigimon: webninja: есть еще xen/kvm, vmware
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[13:44:53] gigimon: опенвз это на уровне ядра делит ресурсы, а xen/kvm делают полностью отдельную ВМ с жестко выделеными ресурсами
[13:44:58] webninja: ага
[13:45:07] webninja: опенвз нечестная виртуализация
[13:45:10] gigimon: виртуалки хороши для быстрого переинсталла софта
[13:45:11] gigimon: ну
[13:45:18] gigimon: смотря для чего
[13:46:04] gigimon: webninja: да и squid не ложит openvz
[13:46:35] wiz: webninja, тебе свой сервер нарезать надо для своих проектов или что?
[13:46:40] webninja: ага
[13:47:33] wiz: ну и не парься тогда
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[13:52:08] gigimon: для нарезания своего openvz подходит нормально
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[13:55:57] cutwater: есть кто живой
[13:56:00] cutwater: собственно вопрос тут такой, задачка есть реализовать 3 протокола подписи данных и проверить их скорость при передаче по сети =)
[13:56:24] cutwater: собственно с реализацией на си я немного запарился в плане лениво писать тучу кода для работы с сетью и прочими сложностями
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[13:56:38] cutwater: вопрос, чем воспользоваться и можно ли для этой задачи подключить питон
[13:57:09] gigimon: можно
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[13:57:25] gigimon: я правда знаю для RSA ток либу
[13:57:31] gigimon: но она на сях и имеет биндинг к питону
[13:57:34] gigimon: работает быстро
[13:57:40] cutwater: gigimon: да мне либа для работы с сетями нужна вобщем-то =)
[13:57:41] gigimon: передача по сети 10 строк
[13:57:46] gigimon: socket?
[13:57:58] cutwater: gigimon: хм... ну
[13:58:21] gigimon: для минимума задач быстро и просто
[13:58:25] gigimon: и не тянешь либу за собой
[13:58:42] cutwater: тоже вариант =)
[13:59:03] gigimon: я так делал)
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[13:59:29] Typhon: криптография на питоне это смешно и меееееееееееедленно
[13:59:38] cutwater: Typhon: криптография на питоне не нужна
[13:59:47] cutwater: я идиот по-твоему?
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[14:00:03] Typhon: нет, но может у тебя ГАЕ и собирать ничо нельзя ;-)
[14:00:05] cutwater: Typhon: нужно быстро запилить обвязку для пары протоколов передачи данных
[14:00:11] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/library/ssl.html
[14:00:15] cutwater: для тестирования производительности
[14:00:27] cutwater: и я слегка упоролся писать это на сях
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[14:01:14] Typhon: а, грокнул, чо надо. забей тогда на ссл модуль.
[14:01:36] cutwater: Typhon: чочо?
[14:01:57] Typhon: ну я ссылку кидал, так она тебе не особо нужна :-)
[14:02:01] cutwater: ок
[14:02:13] cutwater: Typhon: а криптографию я и так из openssl подтяну
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[14:06:33] gigimon: ну тогда в чем проблема?
[14:06:43] gigimon: все крипто либы на сях
[14:06:50] gigimon: биндинги на питон не даст особых тормозов
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[18:33:16] darkillusion: как в питоновском IDLE, в дебаггере, посмотреть целое значения переменной а не короткую версию, а то он их режет и нефига не понятно что в переменной.
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[18:37:00] Typhon: што значит "режет"? какой типа переменной?
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[18:38:14] darkillusion: всмысле полное содержания не показывает. тип переменной dict.
[18:38:52] darkillusion: например --> \' <DT><A HREF="http://stac...ons? - Stack Overflow</A> \'
[18:39:06] darkillusion: ... троеточие
[18:39:59] darkillusion: вот так он режет строку
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[18:41:24] gigimon: принт ей сделай
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[18:44:19] darkillusion: окно неактивное
[18:45:27] darkillusion: всмысле ввод не работает
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[18:52:14] darkillusion: принт в самом скрипте пробывал но всеравно нужен дебаггер т.к надо выяснить каким магическим способом переменная меняет свое значения и где.
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[18:52:54] gigimon: ну, pdb ;)
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[18:53:16] darkillusion: не умею :-X
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[19:15:13] gigimon: darkillusion: ну тогда принт в каждую строку)
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[19:19:33] darkillusion: ээ нет :), нашёл winpdg, смотрю его сейчас.
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[20:21:02] darkillusion: опа, нашёл решения. можно отредактировать файл в /usr/lib/python2.7/idlelib/Debugger.py и изменить значения self.repr.maxstring в классе NamespaceViewer (по дефольту стоит 60) на более высокое. :P
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