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[12:15:28] zxvenom: вай фай!
[12:15:33] zxvenom: о дааааааааааааааа
[12:15:45] zxvenom: интернет, я соскучился
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[12:16:31] zxvenom: хм. вопрос у меня.
[12:17:13] zxvenom: for string in open('file.txt') выдаёт ещё и '\n' для каждой строки
[12:17:42] zxvenom: есть способ обойтись без string = string[:-1] ?
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[12:17:54] zxvenom: или это нормально и так делают все?
[12:18:21] zxvenom: я ответ почитаю в логах
[12:18:38] zxvenom: заранее спасибо
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[12:20:44] webninja: .strip() еще можно
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[12:23:19] zxvenom: реадлайнс говорили медленней и много памяти жрёт, потому что сразу весь файл читает
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[12:23:27] zxvenom: вроде как непомню где и откуда
[12:24:06] webninja: да фигня все
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[12:24:13] webninja: сколько у тебя файл?
[12:24:32] webninja: у меня щаз ридлайнс прям в данную минуту открывает файлы в районе 10мб и ниче
[12:25:23] zxvenom: 42кб...
[12:25:45] zxvenom: блин, я хочу чё-нибудь пооптимизировать, но комп сцуко мощный =_=
[12:25:54] zxvenom: вобщем спасибо
[12:25:58] webninja: это лишнее
[12:26:04] webninja: http://dumpz.org/54826/ вот типа того тебе надо
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[12:27:09] zxvenom: ага
[12:27:15] zxvenom: ладно, я пошёл
[12:27:19] zxvenom: батарея разряжается
[12:27:28] webninja: бб
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[12:29:35] mishok13: ваще-та readlines() тоже отдает каждую строку с переводом строки
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[12:30:13] mishok13: и readlines всяко хуже простой итерации
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[12:31:27] webninja: .strip() убирает?
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[12:38:31] mishok13: да
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[12:38:57] mishok13: только он еще leading whitespace скушает
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[12:39:23] mishok13: не то чтобы это очень важно для большинства текстовых файлов
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[12:41:22] Typhon: а если он там питонокод читает из файлов, чтобы потом евалить?! рстрип уж тогда
[12:41:29] Typhon: (хотя \n для евала пригодятся)
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[12:43:26] webninja: ну там есть lstrip и rstrip
[12:44:08] Typhon: btw, чувак из баду и СОБА лабс рассказал вчера, как они питонокод в монге хранят и евалят его!
[12:44:11] webninja: вряд ли ему евалить )
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[12:44:17] webninja: ого
[12:44:22] webninja: что за СОБА?
[12:44:39] webninja: атас, во дают. а как они его редактируют?
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[12:45:41] wiz_: а в редисе луа и даже не хранят - сразу эвалят
[12:46:00] webninja: зачем это нужно?
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[12:46:22] gigimon: очевидно же, чтобы с диска не читать наверно
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[12:49:37] _lorien: webninja: зачем readlines? просто for line in open('file.txt')
[12:49:56] nott: если файл открывается в текстовом режиме, то .rstrip('\n')
[12:50:02] _lorien: я часто так делаю:
for line in open('file.txt').read().splitlines():
[12:50:05] nott: в бинарном \r\n
[12:50:25] _lorien: зачем rstrip(что-то там), проще rstrip(), разве нет?
[12:50:37] nott: пробелы съест
[12:50:40] nott: табы и т.д.
[12:50:55] _lorien: если это важно, то да, обычно наоборот не нужны они
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[12:51:22] mishok13: Typhon, ты пошутил небось
[12:51:28] mishok13: очень неудачно пошутил небось
[12:51:29] webninja: меня параноит что файл не закрывается )
[12:51:36] webninja: после open.read
[12:51:37] wiz_: webninja, юзай with
[12:51:44] webninja: я так и делаю )
[12:51:53] _lorien: хм, а что страшного, что он не закрылся?
[12:51:54] webninja: with open() as f: и погнал )
[12:52:02] webninja: ну хз а если много их?
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[12:52:07] _lorien: и почему ты думаешь, что он не закрылся?
[12:52:15] _lorien: может там как-нить гарбидж коллектор закрывает
[12:52:18] gigimon: разве его сборщик потом не закроет?
[12:52:22] mishok13: а может и не закроет
[12:52:26] webninja: ага
[12:52:33] nott: _lorien вопрос только, когда это происходит
[12:52:43] _lorien: ну если много, то может и будут понты, но для начала неплохо было бы поймать такой глюк, а потом параноицца )
[12:52:44] mishok13: в Jython например может и не закрыть до окончания программы
[12:52:59] mishok13: пушо не refcounting, а полноценный gc
[12:53:05] webninja: у меня был косяк с этим когда файл не закрывался и часть данных терялась.
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[12:53:10] mishok13: в IronPython тоже не гарантируется такое поведение
[12:53:18] _lorien: ну так мы вроде щас про чтение говорили
[12:53:29] _lorien: там данные не могут потеряться, при записи, лучше закрывать то конечно
[12:53:32] webninja: ну я по инерции и чтение визом открываю )
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[12:54:26] _lorien: меня жутко анноит, что в питоне нельзя работать с результом вызова внутри блока...
я имею в виду:
with some_func(...) as result:
# do something with result
# here result is not defined
[12:54:51] Typhon: mishok13: по поводу чего пошутил?
[12:55:11] mishok13: насчет хранения кода в монге
[12:55:35] xa4a: _lorien: Oo?
[12:55:35] mishok13: _lorien, напиши декоратор
[12:55:44] mishok13: но вообще я не понимаю зачем
[12:55:54] webninja: тэкс после минуты втыкания я понял про результат вызова )
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[12:56:12] webninja: да, было бы неплохо.
[12:56:17] Typhon: mishok13: ну чувак так рассказал, записи вроде есть :-)
[12:56:38] mishok13: Typhon, а причины чувак обьяснял?
[12:56:43] _lorien: mishok13: чтобы не плодить переменные и визуально выглядит красиво, понятно что как бы в этом блоке мы работаем с тем, что функция вернула
[12:56:51] _lorien: мне кажется это красиво и код становится более понятным
[12:57:03] xa4a: _lorien: есть пеп let .. in :
[12:57:15] mishok13: мне кажется это совершенно лишним
[12:57:20] xa4a: !g pep let in
[12:57:34] nmk: Typhon: это ты про вчерашний монгоконф?
[12:57:39] Typhon: nmk: да
[12:57:56] _lorien: !g python pep "let in"
[12:58:07] nmk: я там только яндекс смотрел, он порадовал. мол мы запустили продакшен и там узнали, что group лочит коллекцию. в документации мол об этом не написано. поржал
[12:58:12] Typhon: mishok13: хз, я не особо втыкал :-)
[12:58:40] _lorien: каежется не то по ссылке вернулось
[12:59:10] webninja: блин, пепы решают =)
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[12:59:19] Typhon: mishok13: http://digitaloctober.ru/event/Mongo_DB_conference 16:01Юджин Сьюрана, Badoo <http://live.digitaloctober.ru/embed/290?language=ru#translation109%7C1305547305>
[13:00:07] _lorien: (03:54:48 PM) mishok13: _lorien, напиши декоратор
Каким образом? ЭТо скорее синтаксис языка, типа with statement тока чуток другое, я пытался это придумать как на существующий with завязать, не понял, да и не стал бы юзать такой велосипед
[13:00:30] mishok13: это велосипед исключительно потому что это совершенно лишнее
[13:00:49] wiz_: c# офигительный язык...
long.Parse(Convert.ToString(Convert.ToSingle(Item.Value.ToString())))
[13:01:08] mishok13: хм
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[13:01:16] Typhon: не понятно, зачем with нужен тут? result = some_func(); и дальше result определён
[13:01:27] mishok13: а просто long(Item.Value.ToString()) не сработает?
[13:01:31] _lorien: именно, что он определён до конца функции
[13:01:43] _lorien: а мне хочется, чтобы он жил только несколько строк, где я что-то делаю с result
[13:01:47] wiz_: mishok13, неа.
[13:01:52] mishok13: груснявки
[13:01:56] mishok13: в JVM то же самое
[13:01:57] _lorien: и этот блок я бы желал визуально оттабулировать, выделить в отдельный блок
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[13:02:59] mishok13: мне кажется тебе подойдет концепция функций
[13:03:26] xa4a: О!
[13:03:29] xa4a: _lorien: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3150/
[13:03:31] _lorien: именно, что иногда не хочется заводить функцию на это, хотя думаю, ещё год-другой питона и я начну это делать
[13:03:42] _lorien: писать микрофункции
[13:04:04] xa4a: хотя это, может не совсем то. это задом-наперед
[13:04:08] _lorien: просто ощущение кода меняется и сейчас я на той стадии, что хочу то, что описал сейчас )
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[13:04:16] mishok13: я искренне не понимаю зачем это в питоне
[13:04:20] Typhon: eval('''
code
''') только ещё всякие деденты ^_^
[13:04:22] mishok13: ладно в мл или хаскеле
[13:04:40] _lorien: mishok13: это не в питоне, это мне, в питоне может и не надо
[13:04:59] _lorien: я имею в виду, может быть, большинству людей это не надо
[13:05:13] mishok13: может тебе пора взглянуть на что-то помимо питона
[13:05:17] xa4a: _lorien: меня жутко анноит, что в питоне нельзя работать с результом вызова внутри блока...
я имею в виду:
with some_func(...) as result:
    # do something with result
# here result is not defined
[13:05:23] xa4a: [q][/q]*
[13:05:29] xa4a: http://docs.python.org/reference/compound_stmts.html#the-with-statement
[13:05:36] xa4a: with_item ::= expression <http://docs.python.org/reference/expressions.html#grammar-token-expression> ["as" target <http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-target>] же
[13:06:05] _lorien: The context expression (the expression given in the with_item) is evaluated to obtain a context manager.
[13:06:12] _lorien: xa4a: там нельзя просто функцию завернуть
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[13:06:20] mishok13: чего?
[13:06:23] xa4a: а, тогда декоратор, да
[13:06:33] mishok13: через декоратор
[13:06:43] Typhon: contextlib.contextmanager
[13:07:11] _lorien: как именно, покажите рабочий код :)
[13:07:18] _lorien: я просто пробовал это всё читать и делать и получилась херь
[13:07:43] _lorien: да и ещё раз говорю, я скорее всего не буду юзать велосипед, каждый раз импортировать его неудобно
[13:08:07] _lorien: т.е. я считаю, раз этого нет в языке, то и велосипед лучше не юзать, грязно будет выглядеть
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[13:09:22] xa4a: true
[13:09:39] _lorien: ага, выше pep это что-то задом наперёд от того, что я хочу, это как в хаскеле, я там видел такие штуки
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[13:11:58] wiz_: xa4a, а ты в for заворачивай, из него всё течёт как ты любишь (=
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[13:13:44] Typhon: wiz_: в третьем не течёт!
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[13:15:01] Typhon: _lorien: http://paste.in.ua/2396/
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[13:18:00] _lorien: Typhon: это абсолютно не то, что мне нужно:
1) нужно заворачивать любую функцию, не только генератор. Хотя я думаю, это решается самописным декоратором, который строит генератор по переданной функции :)
2) после отработки with блока переменная result осталась
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[13:22:00] xa4a: 1) id(любая_функция())
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[13:23:20] xa4a: (lambda result: some_code(result)) ( some_func() )
[13:23:27] xa4a: добавить ньюлайнов по вкусу
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[13:24:10] _lorien: xa4a: это ты мне пишешь? что за id не понял
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[13:24:19] mishok13: сэр знает толк в извращениях
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[13:24:26] xa4a: _lorien: id() из последней ссылки
[13:25:02] xa4a: mishok13: это всё JS+jQuery с их function($) { someCodeOnLoad(); } (jQuery);
[13:25:11] mishok13: охблядь
[13:25:21] _lorien: а, ясно, ну я ж говорю, значение не удаляется после отработки блока
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[13:25:34] _lorien: а про то что id(любая функция()) я написал выше в комментарии
[13:25:42] _lorien: мы об одном и том же говорим
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[13:27:55] _lorien: А лямбда это вообще не понял, к чему, там же нельзя сложный код внутрть положить, типа присваивания переменных.
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[13:33:44] wiz_: в JS? можно
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[13:34:29] xa4a: да.. присваивания - слишком сложно
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[13:38:09] DrShall: есть ли у кого нить пример создания пользователя на винде ХР и проставление флагов пользователя, хотя бы нормальные ссылки на описание
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[13:41:57] wiz_: DrShall, воспользуйся своей подпиской MSDN. Ты же не зря ведь её купил, правда?
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[13:43:20] DrShall: лично я не покупал
[13:43:24] DrShall: ))
[13:44:04] _lorien: DrShall: лучше на форуме спроси, тут вроде мало виндовз-пользователей
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[13:44:51] DrShall: на форуме уже создал такую тему, пока ноль эмоций
[13:45:13] Darth Лис: видать на форуме тоже мало виндозников
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[13:46:25] _lorien: Тогда в гугл :)
[13:46:46] _lorien: или на форумах active python можно поспрашивать, он же вроед на винду ориентируется
[13:46:48] DrShall: да в гугле создание пользователя в домене
[13:46:52] _lorien: active state python
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[13:48:00] DrShall: мне хотя бы узнать какие библиотечки использовать, хоть документацию почитать, а то даже не знаю куда двигаться
[13:48:16] Typhon: msdn + pywin32
[13:48:17] mishok13: MSDN
[13:48:53] xa4a: ctypes + winapi
[13:49:19] DrShall: какое единство во мнениях ))
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[13:51:32] mishok13: документация по WinAPI хранится в MSDN
[13:52:21] mishok13: pywin32 это обвязка над WinAPI, но она не на 100% покрывает апи, поэтому возможно иногда прийдется пользоваться ctypes
[13:52:38] xa4a: !g active directorry create user site:msdn.com
[13:53:59] xa4a: DrShall: слушай. а я написал в гугл твой вопрос и он мне первой ссылкой выдал код на питоне
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[13:54:30] _lorien: так ему вроде не в active directory надо
[13:54:34] DrShall: ну да, доменного юзера
[13:54:35] _lorien: а локально
[13:55:04] DrShall: вся фигня в том, что машины в рабочих группах, а не домене
[13:55:28] xa4a: /me вообще не шарит и думает, что домен ~= AD
[13:55:37] xa4a: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/303345-create-an-account-in-ms-active-directory/
[13:56:16] gigimon: DrShall: ты уж определись, домен или рабочая группа
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[13:56:38] gigimon: если домен, то надо AD ковырять, если просто рабочая группа, от откуда там единство управления?
[13:56:44] gigimon: там локально юзера создавтаь
[13:57:07] DrShall: я и говорю что локального юзера
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[14:41:49] xa4a: DrShall: опять же. первая страница гугла
[14:41:53] xa4a: http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/682502-how-create-new-user-windows-platform-using-python
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[15:47:05] Darth Лис: используя distutils можно как-то депенденсы указывать?
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[16:01:56] Darth Лис: типо есть такое
http://docs.python.org/distutils/setupscript.html#relationships-between-distributions-and-packages
но при этом в списке аргументов для setup никакого requires не значиться
[16:02:00] Darth Лис: очень интересно
[16:02:51] _lorien is now I'm not here right now
[16:05:28] Darth Лис: а distutils.dist.Distribution знает про такой параметр
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[16:09:03] Darth Лис: ... приятно пообщаться с умным человеком
^_^
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[16:10:08] _lorien: я всё время путаю distutils, setuptools и distribute :)
[16:10:28] _lorien: * distribution
[16:10:32] wiz_: ГОВОРИТЕ ОТКРЫТО И СМЕЛО ПРЯМО В ЛИЦО! PIP!
[16:11:17] Darth Лис: _lorien: distutils это тот что в питоне, а setuptools это сторонняя хрень которая egg-и делает. а что за distribution вообще такой?
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[16:11:43] slav0nic: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute
[16:12:18] Darth Лис: дак есть же pip
[16:12:19] _lorien: Darth Лис: так ты только что сказал что dist.Distribution знает про такой параметр )
[16:12:31] _lorien: setuptools = easy_install ясно
[16:12:38] Darth Лис: оно да
[16:12:46] Darth Лис: _lorien: ну да, сам задался вопросом, сам нашёл ответ Ж)
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[17:17:07] Darth Лис: когда я загружаю модуль с помощью imp.load_source и в этом модуле прямо в топовом скоупе оперделены какие нибудь переменные, каким образом мне их выдрать?
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[17:18:16] _lorien: Darth Лис: у тебя хорошо получилось в прошлый раз ответить на свои вопросы :)
[17:18:34] Darth Лис: в принципе есть __dict__ ... но в нём столько лишнего
[17:18:43] Darth Лис: мне бы вывод как locals() выдаёт
[17:18:46] Darth Лис: было бы отлично :)
[17:18:54] mishok13: module = imp.load_source(...)
module.<переменная>
[17:19:09] mishok13: oh that
[17:19:45] Darth Лис: mishok13: то да, но их много
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[17:20:28] mishok13: vars(module) тебе выведет словарь всех атрибутов
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[17:21:59] Darth Лис: mishok13: vars получается дёргает тот же самый module.__dict__
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[17:22:07] Darth Лис: ясно короче, в принципе оно и надо
[17:22:45] _lorien: success
[17:24:03] _lorien: success story: я не знал, что делать, я был в тупике, и потом я зашёл на pythonua@c.j.ru и мне дали ответ за минуту, эти ребята - они монстры, они всезнающи, платная подписка на общение в этом канале окупила себя за первые пять минут
[17:25:08] Darth Лис: _lorien: я уже забывать начал питон %) вот сейчас пришлось срочно рефрешить память, потом с сижу, дуплю
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[17:28:33] mishok13: руби сьел твой мозг?
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[17:30:47] Darth Лис: ага
[17:30:57] Typhon: /me боится
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[17:32:10] mishok13: чего боятся?
[17:32:29] mishok13: ты же окамл любишь, он во многом на питон похож, как по мне
[17:33:09] Tony: _lorien, а какже. я понял смысл жизни, стал лидером митол группы?
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[17:34:30] Typhon: mishok13: пишу ж ща много на руби, за мозг боюсь %)
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[17:41:18] Darth Лис:
mod = imp.load_source(name, cfg_name)
keys = [x for x in vars(mod) if not x.startswith('__')]

cfg = {}
for k in keys:
cfg[k] = getattr(mod, k)

вот этот последний for как записать по нормальному?
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[17:42:43] Typhon: cfg = {k:getattr(mod, k) for k in keys}
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[17:44:07] Darth Лис: Typhon: о_О, интересно, а что это за записать такая? давно появилась?
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[17:44:40] wiz_: да
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[17:44:59] _lorien: в каком питоне кстати?
[17:45:41] _lorien: вообще в старых питонах я так делал и делаю:
cfg = dict((x, getattr(mod, x) for x in keys)
[17:45:48] wiz_: в 2.7 точно есть
[17:45:52] mishok13: скобку одну пропустил
[17:45:57] wiz_: )
[17:46:04] _lorien: да, точно
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[17:46:15] _lorien: и то это не будет работать в 2.4 вроде, в 2.5 не помню
[17:46:24] _lorien: я оч не люблю фишки из 2.7 питона, на серверах то 2.6
[17:46:27] _lorien: иногда бывает и 2ю5
[17:46:36] wiz_: а пора бы уже 3.1
[17:46:42] _lorien: ну-ну, удачи ))
[17:46:51] Darth Лис: Typhon: так как эта форма записи называется?
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[17:47:45] Typhon: бэкпорт с 27
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[17:47:49] Typhon: *с 31
[17:47:57] mishok13: 3.1 конская залупа
[17:48:12] wiz_: {x for x in 'abc'} тоже ничего
[17:48:15] mishok13: только 3.2, только победа!
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[18:38:06] Sevenov: > mishok13: только 3.2, только победа!
и даже небо, и даже обама!
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[22:56:18] darkillusion: а когда добавят новое обновления для блогспота ? читал вроде как 3-4 недели назад что обновится а нехера нет
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