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[01:54:01] gigimon: люди, что вы по твистеду читали? оф дока странная какая-то
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[07:30:51] webninja: по твистеду пипец мрачно с доками
[07:31:00] webninja: я не осилил
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[07:31:25] unkier: а чо так ? асинхронщина не укладывается в голове ?
[07:32:05] webninja: ну нет, по асинхроньщине на хабре есть в принципе хорошие маны. просто доков очень мало (хотя могу ошибаться) и примеров тоже.
[07:32:14] webninja: по твистеду
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[07:32:36] unkier: твистед большой, по какой части доками недоволен ?
[07:33:19] webninja: с фтп хотел работать
[07:34:08] unkier: фтп сервер на твистеде ?
[07:34:27] webninja: клиент
[07:35:52] unkier: а чо пример клиента из доков не удовлетворил ?
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[07:44:30] webninja: ну вообщем доки не такие подробные как в джанге и примеров работы маловато, много вопросов на которые не было ответов. в итоге я потыкался туда-сюда и решил что быстрее будет пока использовать курл.
[07:46:28] webninja: я еще нуб в пятоне )
[07:46:52] webninja: с сентября начал более менее системно изучать.
[07:47:00] unkier: есть ftplib встроенный если чо
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[07:49:29] webninja: мне нужно было чтобы была поддержка прокси и много потоков
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[07:52:34] webninja: есть еще ftputil
[07:53:05] unkier: ну капай чо, всё решаемо )
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[08:02:44] webninja: копаю ) в ноябре еще не знал что такое ОРМ. придет время и для твистеда )
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[08:16:50] webninja: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/internals/deprecation/
[08:16:52] webninja: чето посмотрел таймлайн
[08:17:04] webninja: они не планируют еще на 3ий пятон портировать?
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[08:17:28] unkier: а надо ?
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[08:32:55] wiz: надо
[08:33:05] wiz: раньше начнут, раньше закончат
[08:34:26] Tony: 3-питон вообще вроде как не нужен
[08:34:53] unkier: вбросил :)
[08:35:18] Tony: на самом деле, как только на gae появится python 3 сразу переползу с 2.5.2 на него
[08:36:29] unkier: кстати, чо там c новыми ценами на gae ? народ бушует и говорит что уже не торт
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[08:37:17] Tony: там можно на старых остаться
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[08:37:40] Tony: просто много где сразу high-replicated включен автоматом
[08:37:47] Tony: все шугаются и паникуют
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[08:38:38] wiz: а на гае есть какая-нибудь cms адекватная?
[08:38:51] Tony: а вообще есть какая-нибудь cms адекватная?)
[08:39:28] unkier: wiz: я на яве только видел какието выглядящие серьезно
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[09:07:22] webninja: Tony +1 хороший вопрос тоже ищу. сайты быстро делать.
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[09:07:43] webninja: lfc нравится как смотрится но там тоже как-то хз
[09:09:18] webninja: в принципе джанго ваще отличный фреймворк, все есть. нехватает самую малость. поддержку иерархических страниц. и всякой срани вроде портлетов.
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[09:11:29] webninja: btw если например нужно в каждую вьюху передавать один и тот же параметр как делать лучше?
[09:11:51] webninja: "services": Service.objects.all() - вот так например. я из него меню формирую
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[09:12:43] webninja: >>> Tony: а вообще есть какая-нибудь cms адекватная?)
на пхп есть
[09:14:10] unkier: но когда смотриш в кишки этих пхпшных поделий, хочется плакать
[09:15:59] webninja: да бля. но для point and click там решений дофига. единстенное что кастомайзить это чаще всего сущий ад
[09:16:34] webninja: особенно после разных жинжей и жанготемплейтс )
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[09:17:28] unkier: я ковырял магазин на пхп. досихпор кошмары снятся. но внешне он выглядит вполне прилично, и админка гораздо более человечная.
[09:19:10] webninja: мне как-то было нужно наполнить социалку на pligg (пхп), я придумал напрямую в базу записать. стал исследовать работу и как запросы в базу делаются, вот это ад ваще ) там местами в коде прям солянка из SELECT и т.д.
[09:19:49] unkier: дак какбы это норма для пхп поделий
[09:20:23] webninja: не иногда в классы выносят
[09:20:50] webninja: да что говорить если в популярных фрэймворках типа коде игнитер. ОРМ все еще находится в стадии "in activa development"
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[09:21:28] webninja: недавно читал про битрикс )
[09:21:34] webninja: В связи с особенностями архитектуры Битрикса (каждая страница является отдельным физическим PHP файлом на сервере) эта CMS по сравнению с другими, например с Joomla!, сложна для самостоятельного изучения разработчикам. Например Joomla! 1.6 после установки имеет 4 071 Файлов и 911 папок (33 таблицы баз данных) [около 15 мегабайт], а Битрикс версии «для разработки» (не имеет демо данных) имеет 36 350 файлов в 17 203 папках (370 таблиц баз данных) [157 мегабайт]
[09:21:58] wiz_: uwsgi можно с gevent-патчеными либами использовать или сразу отказать и брать gevent-wsgi контейнер?
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[12:18:06] wiz_: что-то я не пойму этот gevent... или gunicorn... gevent.sleep(1) вешает запрос вместе с мастером - r/s даже на нескольких воркерах становится 1. если завернуть в функцию и делать spawn, то всё обратно разгоняется, но значение хрен получишь. а если сделать join, даже с таймаутом, но всё опять опускается до 1з/с
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[13:10:20] unkier: блин, а pyqt то нет под lgpl
[13:11:02] cutwater: unkier: есть pyside
[13:11:48] unkier: есть, нада попробовать позапускать на нем
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[13:13:47] cutwater: unkier: на С++ пиши
[13:14:17] unkier: зачем ?
[13:15:09] cutwater: м.... багов меньше, лицензия LGPL, заодно потом не будешь задавать вопросов как скрыть исходники, если таки хочешь огороженую лицензию пользовать
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[13:17:46] unkier: багов меньше где ? как скрыть исходники питончика, какраз есть решения.
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[13:18:03] cutwater: решения есть. но надежных увы нет
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[13:21:56] unkier: дикую защиту городить смысла не вижу, всёравно всё ломается
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[13:22:36] cutwater: городить защиту вообще не вижу смысла
[13:22:44] cutwater: даешь open source
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[13:24:12] unkier: у меня продукт для бизнеса, простым смертным он не нужен )
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[13:44:10] wiz_: тогда тем более нечего защищать
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[13:49:03] unkier: коммерческий продукт без красивой коробочки и именной лицензии не солидно
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[13:51:02] cutwater: хех... анальные огораживатели такие огораживатели =)
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[13:55:48] gigimon: а чего с python.su?
[13:55:51] gigimon: тупит форум жестко (
[13:56:39] unkier: коллапс )
[13:57:01] unkier: я негодую. почему форум о питоне крутится на движке на пхп
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[14:01:04] unkier: внатуре чото форум лежит
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[14:03:21] _lorien: unkier: да какая разница на чём он крутится, на самом деле ребята молодцы - не выёбывались и запустили живой форум про питон, пусть и на php )
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[14:04:49] unkier: за это респект без базара, но есть причина для троллинга питона за это )
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[14:05:31] nmk: внатуре респект
[14:05:35] Typhon: какой троллинг? пусть на пхп дальше пишут дейтинги и форумы, а на питоне тем времени роботов и телескопы
[14:07:01] unkier: каких роботов ?
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[14:07:32] slav0nic: unkier, мы уже написали форум на пытоне, но пока не будет покрытия тестами и рефакторинг частей которые мне не нравятся, я не планирую делать перевод.
текущий инструмент справляется с поставленной задачей
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[14:10:02] unkier: djangobb ? вам тоже респект за это :) я на своём незанятом хостинге запустил на поиграться pyforum.ru :)
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[14:12:28] gigimon: slav0nic: что с форумом?
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[14:13:06] slav0nic: эм видимо опять сраный рнр сожрал процык)
[14:14:06] unkier: ддосят ?
[14:14:24] unkier: или оно и без ддоса падает ?
[14:15:28] slav0nic: там не 1 сайт же
[14:15:31] slav0nic: а штук 100
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[14:21:37] gigimon: slav0nic: 1 страницу отдал и умер опять (
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[14:28:50] slav0nic: да хер поймёшь кто проц хавает )
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[14:37:32] gigimon: slav0nic: по твистеду я удивлен
[14:37:35] gigimon: что инфы 1 книга 2005 года
[14:37:47] slav0nic: )
[14:37:58] Typhon: gigimon: на пайконе чуваки спринтили по поводу доков
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[14:38:15] slav0nic: да там в читаемый вид вроде приводят
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[14:38:22] slav0nic: а то у них там свой формат
[14:38:27] slav0nic: генерилкА, а не сфинкс
[14:38:30] gigimon: ну, оф дока отлично воспринимается, понятна
[14:38:42] gigimon: но, последовательность чтения непонятна
[14:38:46] gigimon: и что за чем следует тоже)
[14:38:54] gigimon: они 1 и тоже делают ваще разными путями)
[14:38:58] gigimon: это очень смущает
[14:39:06] gigimon: Typhon: а где результат смотреть?
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[14:40:27] slav0nic: http://labs.twistedmatrix.com/2011/03/march-post-pycon-twisted-sprint-report.html вроде
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[14:41:14] mishok13: http://buildbot.twistedmatrix.com/builds/sphinx-html/342-15901/ типа
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[14:41:55] mishok13: http://twistedsphinx.funsize.net/ даже так вот
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[14:42:43] mishok13: но содержание всё равно никуда не годится
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[14:43:18] mishok13: даже такие базовые вещи как TCP client/server не показывают многих подходов, которые очень активно в твистеде используются
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[15:45:17] webninja: а че скайп упал?
[15:45:41] gigimon: ага
[15:45:54] mishok13: шо
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[15:46:23] wiz_: developers-developers
[15:46:26] gigimon: скайп умер)
[15:46:36] unkier: как умер ?
[15:46:40] gigimon: не конектится
[15:46:42] unkier: у меня залогинился щас
[15:46:55] unkier: в онлайне люди есть, всё норм
[15:46:59] gigimon: http://clip2net.com/s/XAMU
[15:47:03] wiz_: у меня вообще вылетел и крашится при старте
[15:47:15] webninja: да
[15:47:16] webninja: так же
[15:47:23] webninja: значит у тебя виндовс!
[15:47:31] webninja: потому что линуксовый просто не коннектится
[15:47:55] gigimon: маковский также
[15:48:08] unkier: у меня линуксовый пашет
[15:48:08] nmk: у меня все в порядке со скайпом
[15:49:14] webninja: джаббер форевер
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[15:54:43] _lorien: у меня ок
[15:54:48] _lorien: в дебилиане
[15:55:26] webninja: хм
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[15:59:27] webninja: думаю кто-то нашел уязвимость в переполнении буфера и трындец всей системе.
Говорят работает только 2x версия на линуксе и на маке
[15:59:40] webninja: лориен а много народу онлайн
[15:59:43] webninja: по системе
[16:00:19] unkier: 22 милиона
[16:00:47] Typhon: http://news.skype.com/
[16:00:49] Typhon: а говорят, работает
[16:00:52] Typhon: %)
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[16:01:10] xa4a: skype5, mac работает
[16:01:29] webninja: в твиттере куча постов
[16:01:41] webninja: я смотрю гугл риалтайм
[16:01:46] webninja: там жалуются все
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[16:02:20] webninja: esokolova‎ Майкрософт уже купил скайп? Наверное купил... Ни работает ни скайп, ни его офиц.сайт!!! Пипец!!!!
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izbuh83‎ а скайп у всех не работает? или только у меня?
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[16:02:41] Typhon: xa4a: позвонить попробуй
[16:03:22] webninja: надо тоже нагадить в твиттер
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[16:03:28] webninja: с хэштегом
[16:03:37] webninja: влится в ряды леммингов!
[16:03:42] Typhon: xa4a: коллеги репортят, что оно падает, если звонить пытаться
[16:03:46] Typhon: на венде вообще падает просто так
[16:04:26] mishok13: ну вот, а я у них собеседование не прошел
[16:04:29] mishok13: поделом ребятам!
[16:04:42] xa4a: mishok13: у мс?
[16:04:57] mishok13: у скайп
[16:05:35] Typhon: mishok13: в эстонию/?
[16:05:35] xa4a: Typhon: звонить? по скайпу? ну уж нет..
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[16:06:06] mishok13: в эстонию, да
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[16:06:34] webninja: http://news.skype.com/ бля ))) я такую же тему люблю вешать на сабы
[16:06:43] gigimon: в маке он просто конектится, но сообщения не ходят
[16:06:55] xa4a: webninja: и апач любит
[16:06:58] gigimon: на IIS переезжают
[16:07:00] gigimon: полюбому
[16:07:23] webninja: в гугле риалтайм график есть
[16:07:30] webninja: частота упомянаний
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[16:07:34] webninja: он идет вверх )
[16:08:47] mishok13: главное, что все кивают на майкрософт теперь бгыггы
[16:08:51] gigimon: ага
[16:09:46] webninja: говорят скайнет отключил скайп
[16:09:49] gigimon: интересно, убьют скайп или нет
[16:09:54] webninja: вряд ли\
[16:10:30] webninja: ваще я посчитал сколько абонентов. и цену сделки. чтобы отбить нужно от каждого по 1000 баксов получить )
[16:10:45] Typhon: mishok13: я даже думаю, что это какой-то трюк тех хитрых парней из скайпа. то они продадут не целиком, без протокола, то вот теперь такая какая-то гадость %)
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[16:11:06] mishok13: ой, ну шо вы это, у всех бывают фейлы, небось задеплоили что-то
[16:11:20] webninja: ну хз майкрософт тоже не наебешь так просто. там же юристы все дела
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[16:11:45] mishok13: webninja, учи экономику
[16:11:51] xa4a: Crfylfks? bynhbub? hfccktljdfybz!
[16:11:52] xa4a: !decode
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[16:12:01] mishok13: это по поводу твоих тыщи баксов с пользователя
[16:12:21] gigimon: да базу юзеров купили, + voip
[16:12:45] mishok13: voip которое монополист на рынке
[16:12:55] webninja: лориен а помнишь ты писал апп для жанго чтобы авторизироваться через твиттер и фэйсбук?
[16:13:03] mishok13: ну и конкурентное преимущество перед google talk
[16:13:03] deepwalker: у кого есть skype прошлой версии x64?
[16:13:22] gigimon: тут говорят что надо удалить shared.xml и скайп запашет
[16:13:28] gigimon: у виндовозеров пашет
[16:13:32] xa4a: deepwalker: у репозитория?
[16:13:40] webninja: mishok13; а что не так? я к тому что сумма сделки сумашедшая.
[16:14:15] deepwalker: у какого репозитотрия??
[16:14:49] mishok13: webninja, 8.5 миллиардов за монополиста на рынке звонков?
[16:14:56] mishok13: оооо да, сумасшедшая
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[16:16:39] webninja: ну да. боинг если че стоит в районе 60 лярдов )
[16:16:48] xa4a: deepwalker: !g скачать бесплатно skype x64 :)
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[16:16:59] gigimon: webninja: сравнил
[16:17:04] mishok13: а фейсбук оценивают в >30 млрд
[16:17:06] gigimon: фейсбук дороже стоит, и что?
[16:17:08] deepwalker: xa4a, не в теме, не лезь, ё
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[16:17:24] mishok13: это значит что фейсбук вдвое меньше самолётов продает?
[16:17:57] deepwalker: xa4a, последняя версия тупит, падает, глючит, ведет себя как наколенная поделка, и уже достала совсем
[16:18:04] deepwalker: а не последней я не вижу
[16:19:05] webninja: т.е. 8 лярдов за небльшую эстонскую компанию это смешные деньги?
[16:19:37] deepwalker: а вот как она немного тупанула, то как-то не выглядит как маленькая эстонская
[16:19:47] deepwalker: столько разговоров :)
[16:20:06] webninja: такое впечатление что еще один пузырь надувается. я говорю что абонентская база не очень хорошо соотносится с суммой сделки. а окупать её в любом случае как-то придется.
[16:20:22] deepwalker: ой, да разве это главное :)
[16:20:39] gigimon: да ладно вам
[16:20:44] Typhon: http://habreffect.ru/files/e17/4d0dedc4f/skype.jpg
[16:20:47] gigimon: майкрософт хоте лпотратить деньги
[16:20:53] deepwalker: я вообще не представляю, что МС со скайпом будет делать
[16:20:57] gigimon: с яху не удалось, так хоть скайп купил
[16:21:01] webninja: ну да еще канешно есть сферы влияния. еще же гугл хотел. но гугл имхо и так уже слишком жирный стал.
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[16:21:05] gigimon: deepwalker: wp7, win8
[16:21:08] gigimon: встриот туда
[16:21:08] mishok13: deepwalker, в bing mail и xbox live впихнет
[16:21:21] mishok13: windows phone тоже да
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[16:21:41] deepwalker: а, ну если так то да, а то я какой-то бред про communication server слышал
[16:21:42] gigimon: удивительно, что купили за 8 млрд, видимо чтоб гугл не зарися
[16:21:55] gigimon: ебэй же его за 2 покупал
[16:22:06] webninja: о
[16:22:18] webninja: шаред.хмл перименовал и все заработало вроде
[16:22:19] mishok13: ибей купил не всё, бгыгы
[16:22:52] gigimon: зачем он ему нужен был - непонятно
[16:23:42] deepwalker: ну как, сейчас он его продаст за 8
[16:23:47] deepwalker: по-моему неплохо
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[16:24:51] webninja: http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3016/skypec.png
[16:24:54] gigimon: неизвестно сколько он потратил
[16:25:11] gigimon: скайп же не приносил денег
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[17:08:32] _lorien: deepwalker: ebay потом продал skype, во-всяком случае часть: http://www.rb.ru/topstory/business/2009/09/02/155126.html
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[17:16:24] webninja: from stars.views import *
[17:16:31] webninja: вот так не хорошо вроде по пеп8 делать?
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[17:17:57] _lorien: да
[17:18:01] _lorien: так попадёшь в ад
[17:18:37] unkier: и будеш там писать на php
[17:18:49] Darth Лис: кто нибудь юзает assertRaises ?
[17:18:51] webninja: =)
[17:19:10] Darth Лис: из unittest
[17:20:00] _lorien: я иногда :)
[17:20:37] Darth Лис:
with self.assertRaises(NoWikiNameMatch):
tool.wiki_name
выдаёт сам Exception типо его никто не поймал!
[17:20:39] Darth Лис: собака
[17:21:01] Darth Лис: в чём прикол?
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[17:21:19] Darth Лис: выдаёт именно NoWikiNameMatch как ошибку
[17:21:35] _lorien: хз, я так юзал: https://bitbucket.org/lorien/django-urlauth/src/46090df81c72/urlauth/tests.py#cl-90
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[17:22:11] _lorien: может из-за with надо хитрое чё-то там делать, попробуй как у меня
[17:22:30] Darth Лис: бля, опять мой косяк
[17:24:34] Darth Лис: всё нормально короче %)
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[18:35:16] webninja: бразы
[18:35:26] webninja: django-tagging норм?
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[18:36:18] denplis: https://github.com/alex/django-taggit/
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[18:37:38] webninja: оо спасиб
[18:38:58] webninja: а для галлерей подскажите чтонибудь. фото
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[18:50:01] _lorien: denplis: а чем он лучше django-tagging?
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[18:52:18] webninja: таггинг застыл
[18:52:21] webninja: нет коммитов больше года
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[18:54:49] _lorien: и чо :) а чем taggit лучше я не понял )
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[18:56:10] webninja: =) хз. попробую таггит
[18:56:36] webninja: хочу для галлерей блин найти чтонибудь норм. халп
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[18:58:27] denplis: https://github.com/search?q=django+gallery&type=Everything&repo=&langOverride=&start_value=1
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[18:59:44] webninja: изучаю уже
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[19:01:07] denplis: можешь за основу imagekit взять
[19:01:55] webninja: гляну
[19:01:57] webninja: спасиб
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[19:04:45] webninja: о, имаджкит то что нужно
[19:06:30] denplis: только там есть одна особенность, если менять что-то в объекте фотографии ( кроме счетчика просмотров ), imagekit каждый раз при сохранении будет делать тхамб
[19:07:54] webninja: да мне в принципе только загрузка и тумбы нужны
[19:09:10] _lorien: для тумб есть sorl.thumbnail
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