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[05:55:23] webninja: http://govnokod.ru/4096
[05:55:28] webninja: я гет взял
[05:55:38] webninja: случайно многопоточностью на пхп )
[05:56:18] webninja: там аж автор прибежал дамажконтролить это дело )
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[12:12:56] _lorien: > If value is "Joel is a slug", the output will be "Joel is a slug".
Охуенный пример из django-документации
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[12:18:12] _lorien: <td class="radio"><input name="delivery_type" type="radio" value="{{ choice.0 }}" {% if form.data and form.data.delivery_type == choice.0|stringformat:"s" or not form.data and form.initial.delivery_type == choice.0 %}checked="checked"{% endif %} /></td>
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[12:18:59] _lorien: php какой-то получился,просто не знаю, как по другому отобразить в нужном html содержимое choicefield :)
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[12:35:38] xa4a: а разве поля сами не умеют рендерится?
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[13:05:10] _lorien: умеют, но они рендерятся не в то, что хочу я
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[13:17:36] denplis: messages framework работает на gae c django 1.2 ?
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[14:34:12] webninja: блин короче щаз scrapy заюзал опять сайт спорсить
[14:34:24] webninja: и там так удобно алхимию встроить чтобы сразу в БД писалось )
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[14:56:07] webninja: короче осилил сложную штуку )
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[15:10:31] xa4a: !wtf scrapy
[15:10:36] xa4a: !wtf scrapy webninja знает
[15:10:46] xa4a: webninja: оукей.
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[15:13:14] webninja: !g scrapy
[15:13:25] webninja: фрэймворк для порсинга
[15:13:36] webninja: построен типа по принципу жанги. миддлвари все дела
[15:13:42] webninja: оч. удобно
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[15:17:26] hr6134: а что лучше для парсинга использовать скрапи или beautiful soup, и какие у кого преимущества?
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[15:18:48] webninja: скрапи фрэймворк там можно использовать этот соуп
[15:18:56] webninja: или xpath
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[15:22:54] hr6134: спасибо
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[16:09:50] _lorien: скрапи и суп вообще нельзя сравнивать
[16:09:53] _lorien: вопрос задан криво
[16:11:17] hr6134: ну я задал его так как до конца не видел разницы. там код, тут код - кто его разберёт :D
зы. шутка конечно
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[16:11:58] _lorien: разницы нету, эти вещи нельзя сравнивать :)
[16:12:25] _lorien: скрапи - это фреймворк для написания пауков, а суп - это просто либа для парсинга html
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[16:13:14] _lorien: Правильный вопрос звучит так: я хочу сделать то-то и то-то, что лучше для этого использовать.
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[16:22:26] undefined: Всем привет. Это баг или фича http://dumpz.org/56891/ ? Вводит "4 4 4 4 4", хотя, как я думаю, должен "0 1 2 3 4".
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[16:24:09] gigimon: не баг, сохраняется последне значение ж
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[16:24:20] Typhon: фича
[16:24:22] gigimon: ссылка на функцию 1 в списке
[16:24:26] gigimon: но 4 раза
[16:24:31] gigimon: Typhon: я прально понял?)
[16:25:56] hr6134: хорошо. мне надо распарсить сайт. собственно ссылки вида domain.com/foo.php?id=цифра
обходить буду в цикле. со страницы надо брать несколько полей. при написании парсера с использованием супа возникли проблема (то ли я его не доучил, то ли он этого не может), в результате часть данных пришлось выбирать регулярками, что сильно бьёт по производительности.
есть ли в этом случае смысл использовать скрапи?
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[16:28:35] Typhon: gigimon, не, там же разные функции
[16:29:09] gigimon: Typhon: ну, он же добавляет в список f2
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[16:29:31] gigimon: и получается затирается последней и ссылка остается на последней, не?
[16:29:31] hr6134: undefined это особенность реализации фабричных функций в питоне. побробнее можно прочитать у лутца раздел фабричные функции и чуть подальше
[16:29:35] gigimon: или почему тогда такое поведение
[16:29:36] hr6134: точно такой же случай
[16:29:57] hr6134: если передать переменную как аргумент по умолчанию то всё должно работать
[16:30:01] _lorien: hr6134: html лучше парсить через lxml
[16:30:03] _lorien: почитай про модуль lxml.html
[16:30:22] hr6134: to _lorien спасибо
[16:30:29] gigimon: lxml стабильнее BS :(
[16:30:40] _lorien: скрапи использует lxml для парсинга html
[16:30:58] _lorien: но тебе проще в уже твой готовый скрипт внедрить lxml, чем переделывать всё под скрапи
[16:31:20] undefined: hr6134: благодарю
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[16:32:46] hr6134: ок. посмотрю в сторону lxml. ещё раз спасибо
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[16:35:53] webninja: hr6134 скрапи ваще легко это сделает
[16:36:15] webninja: несколько полей вытащить можно xpath
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[16:36:38] webninja: поставь фф плагин XPather
[16:37:03] hr6134: а что если разметка на разных страницах немного отличается? ну например есть таблица у неё в свойствах width на одной странице 25, а на другой 26, понятно что баг верстальщиков, но цеплять поле по свойствам уже не получается
[16:37:40] webninja: а кроме видз других нет?
[16:37:50] webninja: икс пазом ты можешь конкретно указать на это поле
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[16:38:20] webninja: //div[@class='art-BlockContent-body']/ul//ul[@class='children']/li
[16:38:21] hr6134: есть, но тогда больше шанс, что я выцеплю не только эту таблицу но и ещё кучу ненужного мусора
[16:38:23] webninja: ну вот типа того
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[16:39:33] hr6134: что-то не хочет он мне для файрфокса находить xpather
[16:40:05] webninja: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/xpather/
[16:40:08] gigimon: hr6134: тут уже ты хочешь инскуственный интеллект
[16:40:16] gigimon: а если не то, а если не так
[16:40:33] gigimon: обычно можно к id/class привязаться
[16:40:55] webninja: вот у меня в парсинге щаз тоже затуп. мне надо выпарсть элементы в постах, а они сверстаны по разному. я просто щаз в базу залью эти фрагменты и уже потом буду разбираться с этим.
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[16:41:52] hr6134: да не в искуственно интелекте дело. просто на странице было очень много похожих тегов в результате чтобы выбрать один нужный, пришлось использовать регулярку, так как страница большая, то регулярка работает медленно.
[16:42:17] gigimon: ну, если регулярку можно, значит и составить xpath думаю можно
[16:42:19] hr6134: а. понятно. у меня просто 4-й файрфокс уже стоит. подожду пока обновят плагин
[16:42:20] webninja: я чето с трудом могу представить что нибудь что нельзя было бы сделать через xpath
[16:42:38] hr6134: ну xpath я пока не пробовал, я всё это говорю относя к супу
[16:42:50] webninja: с супом тоже можно наверняка
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[16:43:13] webninja: получай элемент который содержит что тебе нужно и там уже регуляркой
[16:43:49] hr6134: значит я не до конца его разобрал. буду дальше учиться. :) но скрапи, xpath и lxml точно покопаю раз о них такие хорошие отзывы
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[16:48:01] webninja: есть еще grab
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[16:48:21] webninja: https://bitbucket.org/lorien/grab/
[16:48:31] webninja: там тоже икс паз реализован
[16:48:46] webninja: тоже удобно. для твоей задачи даже проще чем скрапи осваивать
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[16:49:54] webninja: скрапи сложновато воткнуть в начале. =)
[16:50:04] hr6134: посмотрю.
вот ещё вопрос, если ли смысл использовать urllib2 вместо urllib?
[16:50:42] webninja: хз вообще есть ли смысл их использовать ) ааа вот еще плюс скрапи он на твистеде - ассинхронный )
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[16:51:42] hr6134: ну тогда лучше потратить чуть побольше времени и осовить скраппи, чем потом всё равно к нему придти
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[16:53:11] _lorien: если ты собрался заниматься парсингом. то тебе надо знать все эти библиотеки
[16:54:11] hr6134: не знаю займусь ли я им потом, но сейчас есть задача и её надо решить. при этом желательно получить как можно больше опыта и знаний, так как они лишними не будут
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[16:55:54] webninja: у меня переодически задачи возникают, а руками (как раньше) стараюсь поменьше работать.
[16:56:13] webninja: если что могу подсказать, твоя задачка совсем простая )
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[16:59:13] xa4a: а как у ваших скрапи с твистедами с http connection reuse?
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[17:00:46] hr6134: ок. если возникнут серьёзные затыки в решении обращусь :)
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[17:11:44] _lorien: да, grab тут самое то будет :D
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[19:24:42] hr6134: почему одна и та же регулярка может не отрабатывать подряд. примет такой:
file.write(re.search(r'\bN\b',string).group(0))
print re.search(r'\bN\b',string).group(0)

в файл всё пишет, а когда до ходит до принта пишет, что NoneType объект не может иметь метод group()
уже всю голову сломал :(
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[23:08:58] Typhon: эти люди по-другому называются!
[23:10:04] Sevenov: Canonical
[23:10:10] gigimon: кто крутил twisted, расскажите, а как сделать в 1 скрипте использование нескольких реакторов?
[23:10:16] gigimon: я как понял это нельзя
[23:10:55] gigimon: но как тогда юзать в 1 программе различные модули? типа работа по вебу, работа с фс? или разделять на независимые модули?
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[23:56:14] xa4a: кто-то генту юзает? мне кажется, или там уже во всю переехали с 2.6 на 2.7 питон?
[23:56:45] Sevenov: арчик переехал на третий пейтон
[23:58:11] xa4a: арчик год уже, наверно, как переехал
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[23:58:40] xa4a: а то я вот достал запустил свой десктоп, который с лета почти не юзал, решил мир пересобрать
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[23:59:40] xa4a: осталось всего пакетов 100 из 1200+
[23:59:57] xa4a: *пересобрать -> обновить