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[03:49:47] gigimon: http://dpaste.com/549425/ - можно как-то при создании A передавать его в каждое поле, которое указали?
[03:49:52] gigimon: так сказать чтобы хранить родителя
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[10:14:15] wiz: а чем бы джангу раздать под вендой? особой нагрузки нет, чисто внутреняя хрень
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[10:17:19] Magister Yoda: slav0nic: а скобочки нах?
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[10:17:32] slav0nic: для надёжности
[10:17:45] Magister Yoda: понятно. буду юзать значит
[10:18:07] slav0nic: решил Севенова скинуть с пьедестало?
[10:18:09] slav0nic: *а
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[10:20:17] Magister Yoda: slav0nic: кто?
[10:20:35] Magister Yoda: slav0nic: с какого пьедестала?
[10:20:42] slav0nic: проехали
[10:21:00] slav0nic: Sevenov - местный троляка)
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[10:21:40] Magister Yoda: slav0nic: ну вот. он обиделся и ушёл
[10:21:45] wiz: а правда, чем же?
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[10:24:33] Crabster: Подскажите, нельзя ли как-нибудь заставить в quick documentation lookup выводить что-нибудь нормальное (например то, что выводит help()), а не то, что он сейчас выводит?
[10:24:51] wiz: юзать ipython
[10:25:02] mishok13: или bpython
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[10:26:46] Crabster: я имел в виде ide pycharm
[10:27:48] Crabster: и что такое ipython и bpython?
[10:27:59] Magister Yoda: Crabster: погугли
[10:28:12] Magister Yoda: Crabster: не будь крабом
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[10:32:01] mishok13: pycharm я смотрю как в своё время pydev под эклипсом
[10:32:11] mishok13: люди начисто мозг выключают и забывают о консоли :(
[10:32:53] wiz: бугого... https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/DjangoOnWindowsWithIISAndSQLServer
[10:33:24] wiz: и правда, есть же нативный вендовый веб-сервер - IIS...
[10:33:24] Magister Yoda: wiz: а главное легко и просто
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[10:34:17] Magister Yoda: mishok13: а чего ты Крабстера не регнешь? и диффузора
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[10:38:51] mishok13: потому что я невнимательный
[10:39:16] Magister Yoda: mishok13: а у меня незареганные в конце списка
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[11:59:20] wiz: а как бы отдебажить «tlsv1 alert decryption failed» при https:// соединении?
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[12:15:56] wiz: тайматуится зараза
[12:16:02] wiz: и в дебаг тихо
[12:16:10] wiz: а курлом работает
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[12:32:52] _lorien: хех, 22 плюса осталось, может на инвайт даже наскребу
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[12:56:54] _lorien: wiz: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/120363/
[12:58:47] _lorien: Crabster: если пишешь пост со 100 плюсиками, то дают инвайт и можно кого-нить пригласить на хабр
[12:59:54] Crabster: ах вы про хабр
[13:00:04] Crabster: откуда же я знал, что вы про него
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[13:02:38] _lorien: Crabster: без понятия, откуда же ты знал, что мы про него :)
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[13:09:06] Darth Лис: если инвайт, значит на хабру
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[15:32:24] rahs: подскажите. нет ли какой-нибудь легкой альтернативы celery для джанги?
[15:32:36] cutwater: хм... а чем celery не устраивает?
[15:33:36] Typhon: redis-queu
[15:33:40] Typhon: *queue
[15:33:42] Typhon: или как-то так
[15:34:13] Typhon: http://pyobject.ru/blog/2010/10/28/enqueue-it/
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[15:36:36] огыешсук: rahs: http://code.google.com/p/redis-queue/
[15:36:41] огыешсук: cutwater: он глючный
[15:36:49] cutwater: плавали знаем.
[15:37:01] cutwater: но все таки может есть конкретные причины
[15:37:09] огыешсук: cutwater: он конкретно глючный
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[15:37:28] огыешсук: я им честно пытался пользоваться почти год
[15:37:32] rahs: Typhon, огыешсук, спасибо, читаю
[15:37:57] cutwater: огыешсук: ну мы его пробовали в проекте. он был глючный весьма в некоторых специфичных местах.
[15:39:28] огыешсук: cutwater: ну так redis-queue полностью меня устраивает и, главное, за 10 месяцев ни единой с ним проблемы. В отличии.
[15:39:44] cutwater: огыешсук: ну дык надо будет посмотреть. тоже любопытно
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[15:41:53] огыешсук: cutwater: он очень маленький и простой. В отличии от большого и сложного целери. Я не знаю, зачем люди любят большие и сложные решения а потом героически борются с багами.
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[15:42:57] cutwater: а для AMQP если надо вдруг?
[15:43:07] cutwater: или писать велосипед на carrot
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[15:44:45] nmk: так а чем celery то не нравится?
[15:44:48] nmk: там же не обязательно amqp юзать
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[15:45:34] cutwater: меня больше конкретно amqp интересует
[15:45:48] nmk: rahs: можешь еще взять beanstalkd какой-нибудь и сам обрабатывать всё
[15:46:11] nmk: cutwater: почему? :)
[15:46:17] nmk: энтерпрайз?
[15:46:27] cutwater: специфика проекта. правда давно уже от него отказались
[15:46:34] cutwater: но все еще интересуюсь
[15:46:41] огыешсук: nmk: целери всегда глючит. Что в связке с кроликом, что в связке с редиской.
[15:46:43] cutwater: с redis надо будет разобраться.
[15:46:52] nmk: огыешсук: дану?
[15:46:56] огыешсук: nmk: ну да
[15:47:02] nmk: он у меня в продакшене полгода гонялся
[15:47:04] cutwater: ну мы POC на celery показали
[15:47:04] nmk: и ничего
[15:47:10] cutwater: и нормально
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[15:47:37] rahs: а очереди из django-utils никто не пользовал?
[15:47:47] rahs: http://charlesleifer.com/docs/djutils/django-utils/queue.html
[15:47:55] nmk: огыешсук: там правда нагрузки на celery всего да ничего было, но таски все долгие были
[15:48:01] огыешсук: nmk: ну, ваше счастье. Накгрузка то на ём хоть какая то есть? У меня он стабильно глючил на довольно низкой нагрузке в десяток воркеров круглые сутки по таксе в секунду.
[15:48:34] огыешсук: Плюс на некоторых очередях долгие таски (на несколько часов).
[15:49:08] огыешсук: nmk: не, я согласен -- если без нагрузки (а лучше если вообще не пользоваться) то и виндовс не глючит, кто ж спорит.
[15:49:12] nmk: наше счастье? :) ну хз. нагрузка. ну. 2 сервера было. на одном были одни таски долгоиграющие, на другом другие -- быстроиграющие. быстроиграющие в среднем были меньше таска в секунду, но днем там было до 10-20 в секунду
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[15:49:56] огыешсук: тогда должен был вам целери периодически морозить таски, вешаться и кушать раму
[15:50:09] nmk: да не было такого
[15:50:16] огыешсук: мне он это стабильно раз в несколько дней обеспечивал
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[15:50:24] nmk: а когда это было?
[15:50:28] огыешсук: год назад
[15:50:38] nmk: хм.
[15:50:55] nmk: а тогда он уже был разделен на отдельно джанговскую апу и celery?
[15:51:06] огыешсук: вплоть до прошлой осени, когда я удалил эту гадость со своих серверов и перешел полностью на redis-queue
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[15:51:31] wiz: огыешсук, а там есть синхронные запросы?
[15:51:39] огыешсук: после очередного апгрейда версии, которая в очередной раз потребовала обновлять ещё и конфиги
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[15:55:15] nmk: огыешсук: ну, вообще ты мне странную историю про celery рассказал. т.е. я тебе полностью верю, но вот что виноват был именно celery как-то не очень
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[15:59:24] огыешсук: nmk: методом исключения я пришел именно к выводу о том, что виноват celery. Сначала я подозревал кролика и перевёл целери с кролика на редис. Глюки сохранились.
Я даже добавил в crontab запись
59 * * * * ps auxww | grep celery_low | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9
для автоперезапуска низкоприоритетных очередей каждый час, но это не так, чтобы очень спасало.

Осталивь два варианта -- либо глючит мой код, либо целери. Я перевел таски с целери на redis-queue. Глюки исчезли полностью.
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[16:00:42] огыешсук: s/низкоприоритетных очередей/потенциально зависших нижкоприоритетных воркеров
[16:00:42] nmk: ну ок. будем считать, что мне повезло с celery :)
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[16:01:30] огыешсук: ну, раз её продолжают развивать, наверное celery у кого-то да работает
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[16:03:28] nmk: я сейчас одно такое поведение как ты описал припомнил. но там был не celery виноват был, там дедлок случился в постгресе.. т.е. джанга что-то там в транзакции запустила и воркер чего-то ждал. а так как воркер был один, то все подвисло..
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[16:30:46] xa4a: тут селери, полёт нормальный.
[16:31:00] xa4a: я его не трогал ни разу, правда
[16:31:18] xa4a: его кто-то сделал и он себе работает
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[17:01:26] огыешсук: о, это магия
[17:01:44] огыешсук: на джангосниппетах есть пример
[17:02:27] огыешсук: xa4a: ну вы все счастливчики либо мало нагружаете
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[17:17:56] wiz: чтобы без nginx его выставлять на внутрений урл
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[20:19:39] nmk: что-то не догоняю, а как с помощью pdb прямо из кода поставить брекпойнт на нужный файл и строку? Pdb().set_break(..) что-то не работает как надо
[20:20:09] Darth Лис: pdb.set_trace()
[20:20:19] Darth Лис:
import pdb
pdb.set_trace()
[20:20:23] nmk: не-не-не
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[20:20:51] nmk: или set_trace всегда надо вызывать? мне просто брейк поставить. что бы когда туда дошло, то вывалилось бы в pdb
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[20:21:52] Darth Лис: ну прямо на том месте и впиши set_trace
[20:21:56] Darth Лис: или это проблема?
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[20:22:09] nmk: это проблема
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[20:24:26] nmk: аа. я кажись понял что я делаю не так
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[20:25:53] Darth Лис: и что же?
[20:26:07] nmk: да не. не получилось ;)
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[20:30:17] cutwater: wiz_: что сделать чтобы IDE научились понимать или хотя бы не материться на импорты werkzeug ?
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[20:30:38] nmk: cutwater: сказать ide не матерится. :)
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[20:31:01] cutwater: nmk: а настроить так чтобы она автокомплит таки умела по этим импортам?
[20:31:26] cutwater: ну а то какой смысл IDE если делаешь импорт из веркцойга, а иде ессно его не находит
[20:31:31] nmk: какая ide? в той, что я юзаю, я думаю никак.
[20:31:32] cutwater: зарепортить штоле им баг
[20:31:41] nmk: так ты посмотри как импорт там происходит
[20:31:43] nmk: вопросы отпадут :)
[20:31:46] cutwater: nmk: PyDev, PyCharm, vim ^^
[20:31:54] cutwater: nmk: да я видел как там импорт происходит
[20:32:07] cutwater: у меня вопрос в другом.. как допустим в иде настроить алиасы....
[20:32:18] nmk: ну pydev и pycharm поидее как-то глупо по имени могут дополнить, но эт не то что ты хочешь.
[20:32:21] Darth Лис: http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/230502/562113.aspx
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[20:34:00] nmk: cutwater: напиши в pycharm что бы захардкодили или испольняли __init__ в werkzeug :)
[20:34:16] cutwater: xD
[20:34:29] cutwater: надо зарепортить им баг да
[20:34:40] nmk: я плюсик поставлю :)
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[20:36:16] nmk: Darth Лис: если интересно, то способ описанный тут работает, правда c temporary он там что-то намудрил http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2009-September/1220492.html
[20:37:10] Darth Лис: nmk: а следующее сообщение в треде ты прочитал?
[20:37:16] nmk: про winpdb?
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[20:37:58] nmk: winpdb ставить там надо, а pdb уже стоит
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[20:38:28] Darth Лис: winpdb себе ставить надо, а не там
[20:38:36] Darth Лис: он же remote-ный
[20:39:46] nmk: ээ. а rpdb2 откуда возьмется?
[20:40:44] cutwater: http://youtrack.jetbrains.net/issue/PY-279?projectKey=PY&query=import+dynamic#tab=Linked%20Issues
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[20:40:49] cutwater: баг у них такой кстати есть
[20:40:58] cutwater: 16 месяцев назад добавлен. никто фиксить не хочет
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[20:41:39] nmk: ну. post-1.5 написано же :)
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[20:42:09] nmk: cutwater: но ты лучше создай с линком на этот баг. werkzeug то чаще нужен, чем os.getlogin
[20:42:16] cutwater: угу
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[23:04:19] nyakawaiidesu: привет всееем)
[23:04:50] Tony: nyakawaiidesu, ты самка?
[23:05:16] nyakawaiidesu: это не важно
[23:05:24] nyakawaiidesu: мне помощь нужна
[23:05:38] nyakawaiidesu: суть в следующем
[23:05:44] nyakawaiidesu: list=list1[a]+' '+list2[b]+' '+list3[c]+' '+list4[d]
[23:05:58] nyakawaiidesu: f.write(list)
[23:06:32] nyakawaiidesu: почему он пишет f.write(list)
AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'write'
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[23:07:38] nyakawaiidesu: есть варианты?
[23:07:42] xa4a: да
[23:07:47] gigimon: покажи код где ты f получаешь
[23:07:48] xa4a: потому что в число нельзя писать
[23:08:07] nyakawaiidesu: f=open('111.txt','w')
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[23:08:32] xa4a: это не похоже на правду
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[23:08:58] nyakawaiidesu: открывает пустой файл
[23:09:28] xa4a: небось, кроме list1[a], list2[b], list3[c], list4[d] ещё есть list5[e] и list6[f]
[23:09:38] nyakawaiidesu: подколооол)
[23:09:55] xa4a: ну open() должно возвращать объект файла
[23:10:07] xa4a: а у тебя - 'int' object
[23:10:14] xa4a: print f
[23:10:44] nyakawaiidesu: f.print(list)
[23:10:46] nyakawaiidesu: &
[23:10:50] nyakawaiidesu: ?
[23:11:27] xa4a: нет
[23:11:29] xa4a: просто print f
[23:11:31] xa4a: что пишет?
[23:11:57] nyakawaiidesu: но но но
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[23:12:04] nyakawaiidesu: мне надо чтобы в файл
[23:12:13] xa4a: но f - не файл-то
[23:12:16] nyakawaiidesu: записался list
[23:12:30] gigimon: nyakawaiidesu: весь исходник на dpaste
[23:12:34] xa4a: ладно. запости уже весь код
[23:12:44] xa4a: (не сюда, разумеется, да)
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[23:13:21] nyakawaiidesu: а куда?
[23:13:27] gigimon: dumpz.org
[23:13:29] gigimon: dpaste.com
[23:13:44] xa4a: paste.in.ua
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[23:13:57] gigimon: никто не юзает свободные аудио-плееры на сайтах?
[23:14:59] nyakawaiidesu: ужасный, код, очень плохой
[23:15:11] nyakawaiidesu: я предупреждаю
[23:15:13] nyakawaiidesu: http://dpaste.com/549793/
[23:15:52] gigimon: f=random.randint(0,17)
[23:15:56] gigimon: вот это что?
[23:16:04] xa4a: /me вручил себе сертеикат телепата
[23:16:25] gigimon: nyakawaiidesu: и русский в u'' уж лучше
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[23:17:03] nyakawaiidesu: ааааа неееет
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[23:17:32] gigimon: а еще while заменить на for n in range(0,2)
[23:17:39] gigimon: и убрать внизу n+=1
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[23:18:28] nyakawaiidesu: вот я понимаю теперь зачем вы тут сидите
[23:18:43] nyakawaiidesu: ржете там небось над такими как я)
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[23:20:58] gigimon: я уже и забыл
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[23:53:31] gigimon: кто битбакет юзает?
[23:53:42] gigimon: расскажите, как с новым mercurial запушиться?
[23:53:47] gigimon: а то warning: bitbucket.org certificate with fingerprint 81:2b:08:90:dc:d3:71:ee:e0:7c:b4:75:ce:9b:6c:48:94:56:a1:fe not verified (check hostfingerprints or web.cacerts config setting)

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[23:56:19] gigimon: забил и юзаю ссх
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