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[11:19:55] Darth Лис: wiz: а шо хехе?
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[11:22:55] D_A_S: Добрый день, хотел бы задать вопрос по threading'у в питоне.
[11:23:15] xa4a: D_A_S: отлично, прочитай топик и задавай
[11:24:09] D_A_S: Извиняюсь, не знал, что энтер сразу отправляет в чат :) Ситуация следующая: есть головной процесс, который запускает независимые треды, они отрабатывают положенную им задачу и завершают работу. Проблема в том, что на сервере растет softirq, и серверник говорит, что создает его именно питоновый модуль. С чем это может быть связано и как вылечить?
[11:24:38] xa4a: а что это такое?
[11:24:43] xa4a: !g softirq
[11:25:17] Darth Лис: xa4a: это GIL беситься наверно
[11:25:35] xa4a: а чего ему беситься?
[11:25:39] xa4a: он работает себе..
[11:25:47] D_A_S: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt
[11:26:11] D_A_S: судя по вики, оно возникает при большом количестве комманд на килл процессов, как я понял
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[11:27:20] xa4a: хм.. ты убиваешь процессы? или э.. как твой главный тред ждёт остальных?
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[11:28:17] D_A_S: в том то и дело что не убиваю) работает все так: 1. главный тред - мониторит состояние бд, в случае появления новых задач создает под каждую свой тред. тред работает до момента завершения задачи, потом просто заканчивается вечный цикл в его run-методе
[11:28:47] xa4a: может проблема в вечном цикле
[11:29:20] xa4a: какой тред работает до завершения задачи? главный или воркер?
[11:29:23] D_A_S: оба
[11:29:38] xa4a: зачем в воркере вечный цикл?
[11:30:11] D_A_S: это обработчик боя в онлайн-игре, ему надо периодически (до завершения боя) мониторить его внутренние переменные и производить рассчеты
[11:30:33] xa4a: оукей..
[11:30:51] D_A_S: он завершается либо при окончании боя, либо если видит глобальную переменную killall=1, выставленную головным процессом
[11:31:02] xa4a: а твой цикл же выглядит не как while not killall: pass ?
[11:31:16] wiz: мде... гринлеты рулят
[11:31:22] D_A_S: while 1:
if killall == 1:
break
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[11:31:41] xa4a: D_A_S: проблема в этом
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[11:31:55] D_A_S: можно поподробнее, плиз?
[11:32:07] xa4a: ну.. у тебя проц загружается проверкой killall == 1
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[11:32:23] xa4a: для этого есть специальные примитивы синхронизационные
[11:32:29] D_A_S: там sleep 1 в конце каждого цикла
[11:32:37] xa4a: а..
[11:32:44] xa4a: !pydoc threading.Condition
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[11:33:03] D_A_S: ага, про кондишны я у светлова на девконфе слышал, но не смог его поймать с моим вопросом
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[11:33:47] D_A_S: то есть проблема с большой долей вероятности решится при переносе проверки из переменной в Condition?
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[11:35:09] xa4a: ну это, как минимум уберёт цикл
[11:35:26] xa4a: такой, как выше написан
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[11:36:20] D_A_S: то есть run-метод будет сам по себе работать в цикле, пока Condition совпадает?
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[11:38:22] xa4a: нет. он будет задлокирован, пока Condition не выполнится
[11:38:33] xa4a: может это и не то, что тебе нужно, но соответствует логике того кода, что выше
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[11:39:04] xa4a: а с тем, чтобы работать, пока не закончатся ивенты - есть же очереди
[11:39:16] xa4a: давай треду очередь
[11:39:25] xa4a: и клади в неё прогресс боя твоего
[11:39:34] xa4a: а тред пусть блокируется, пока в очереди пусто
[11:39:52] xa4a: в конце боя - класть None например какой-то. и тред убивать.
[11:40:05] D_A_S: прогресс боя, увы, не только этим демоном контролируется, еще сервер-сайдным пхп
[11:40:34] D_A_S: то есть питоновый демон фактически только обрабатывает команды, пришедшие в него откуда-то извне
[11:40:56] xa4a: команды приходят и их на входе тоже кто-то питоновый принимает. откуда они пришли - не важно
[11:41:00] xa4a: меня нет.
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[11:41:05] D_A_S: ок, спасибо за консультацию
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[12:11:06] webninja: бразы
[12:11:08] webninja: такая тема
[12:11:15] webninja: делаю сайты
[12:11:44] webninja: браузер, ссуко походу кэширует файлы и вообщем когда я переключаюсь между ними ксс не сбрасывается
[12:11:57] webninja: неужели кэш чистить каждый раз? у всех так?
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[12:12:26] D_A_S: файрфокс - веб-девелопер - отключить кеш
[12:12:30] webninja: python manage.py runserver имею в виду и соответственно localhost:8000
[12:12:54] denger__: а у меня в firebug кеш отключается и все круто
[12:12:57] webninja: ну это какие-то жесткие меры.
[12:13:10] denger__: с хуевой тучей xsl работаю, проблем с кешем нет
[12:13:49] denger__: кешируются сгенерированные страницы или статика?
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[12:14:07] denger__: если первое - хз, что-то ты намутил
[12:14:18] denger__: если второе - погугли media тег
[12:14:24] denger__: у сагалаева про него написано
[12:15:37] webninja: кэшируются статичные файлы
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[12:16:33] webninja: т.е. например если в 2х сайтах есть logo.png и style.css то когда новый сайт запускаешь эти файлы от старого остаются )
[12:16:47] D_A_S: это их нормальное поведение :) создавай разные хосты
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[12:22:15] webninja: >>>> файрфокс - веб-девелопер - отключить кеш
кстати! точно
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[12:24:14] webninja: это что?
[12:24:54] Darth Лис: это ctrl-shift-r в браузере (FF если быть точным)
[12:25:24] Darth Лис: перезагрузка страницы с принудительной инвалидацией кэша
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[13:03:29] webninja: ого
[13:03:38] webninja: darth лис мощная тема )
[13:03:40] webninja: утро
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[16:03:16] Tony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9dSpX0H74
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[16:22:11] xa4a: влейся в элиту @ попади в рай
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[16:23:12] gigimon: вот если б не пошло про селигер, было бы ок
[16:23:24] gigimon: реклама самого селигера как-то сильно хуже и скучнее части про неудачника
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[16:25:58] Tony: xa4a, нет меня просто финал вырубил "IQ TEST"
[16:27:06] gigimon: xa4a: терпеть не могу
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[17:38:49] cutwater: хм... а допустим если нужен аля джаббер бот для специфичных целей. на чем сейчас его актуально писать?
[17:39:56] wiz: на том же, на чём работать с этими специфичными целями
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[17:41:26] cutwater: нет ну вопрос какую либу для жабера взять
[17:41:32] cutwater: я не знаю чаво щас актуально
[17:42:48] cutwater: знаю twisted.words, xmpppy, etc. или свой велосипед пилить?
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[17:43:25] Darth Лис: запаришься свой пилить
[17:43:30] cutwater: это точно
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[17:44:31] cutwater: Darth Лис: дык вот и собстна вопрос - чего взять
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[17:45:51] gigimon: что лучше знаешь
[17:46:12] cutwater: если ничего не знаю.
[17:46:33] gigimon: тогда от задач зависит
[17:46:50] gigimon: если мелкий бот то наверно всеравно
[17:47:11] cutwater: ну возьмем стандартную. вот как у нас пони висит. или любой жабер бот который логи ведет. все равно да. вопрос что сейчас актуально.
[17:47:27] cutwater: то есть строго каких-нибудь извращений не надо.
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[17:48:27] wiz: pyxmpp ещё
[17:49:33] cutwater: pyxmpp вроде ок
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[17:50:13] xa4a: xmpppy
[17:50:31] xa4a: там сразу на сайте примеры есть ботов, которые ведут логи
[17:50:51] cutwater: видел да. pyxmpp как-то мне кажется поинтересней будет по возможностям.
[17:52:39] Darth Лис: cutwater: а что за специфичная задача кстати?
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[17:53:59] cutwater: да вобщем-то на внутреннем билд сервере поднять что-то вроде уведомлений.
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[17:56:25] cutwater: Darth Лис: + возможно обратно управлять удаленно билд сервером.
[17:57:04] Darth Лис: зачем им управлять?!
[17:57:13] Darth Лис: это CI сервер что ли?
[17:57:45] cutwater: да
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[17:57:58] cutwater: пока что исключительно в целях велосипедостроения
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[17:58:12] Darth Лис: CI тягает себе свои изменения и запускает тесты
[17:58:19] Darth Лис: чего им управлять-то?!
[17:58:32] Darth Лис: а что бы побыстрячку послать xmpp сообщение для этого бот не нужен
[17:58:41] Darth Лис: надо всего лишь xmpp-send команду юзать
[17:58:44] Darth Лис: или как она там...
[17:58:47] cutwater: ну ладно
[17:58:53] cutwater: допустим захочу усложнить велосипед
[17:59:05] cutwater: посмотрю на xmpppy и pyxmpp
[17:59:07] Darth Лис: sendxmpp - commandline XMPP (jabber) utility
[17:59:17] cutwater: ок. тоже вариант
[17:59:30] Darth Лис: вот когда захочешь, тогда и ищи. решай проблемы по мере поступления
[18:00:03] cutwater: ну дык надо сделать хотя бы POC для себя. возможно на будущее
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[18:00:25] Darth Лис: POC есть в примерах xmpppy
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[18:00:38] Darth Лис: "всё украдено до нас"
[18:00:39] Darth Лис: ;)
[18:00:50] cutwater: :-D
[18:01:01] cutwater: так не интересно
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[18:22:13] webninja: Darth Лис: реально работает C-S-r =)
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[18:28:53] Darth Лис: webninja: ты весь день потратил на выяснение этого? :)))
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[18:30:33] xa4a: кажется было много где C-F5
[18:30:41] xa4a: а в пентадактиле - S-r
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