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[19:47:17] Darth Лис: https://github.com/whit537/aspen-toy-blog
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[20:15:39] Tony: кто знает агрегаторы python-блогов англоязычных вроде pyplanet.ru ?
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[20:16:36] xa4a: reddit/r/python
[20:17:28] Tony: реддит хуита же
[20:18:13] Tony: еще там с rss традиционно была хуита
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[20:21:54] _lorien: боюсь en блогов сильно дохуя
[20:22:11] _lorien: хотя это не означает того, что их нельзя агрегировать и читать потом нужные тэги/ключи
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[20:25:36] Darth Лис: ктонибудь ØMQ рассматривал близко?
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[20:28:48] Typhon: что имеешь ввиду?
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[20:29:08] Typhon: /me патчил ocaml-zmq, писал lwt-zmq, работает c ffi-rzm q
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[20:31:53] Darth Лис: о
[20:32:25] Darth Лис: Typhon: итак, как избежать центрального брокера? как сделать так что бы ноды нашли друг друга "автоматически"
[20:32:31] Darth Лис: без заранее известных адресов
[20:32:34] Darth Лис: это можно сделать?
[20:33:12] xa4a: пришло лето. зовут питонистов на море..
[20:33:30] Darth Лис: xa4a: кто зовёт?
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[20:33:47] xa4a: вообще много кто зовёт) на море - циклум
[20:33:53] Typhon: zmq такое не предоставляет, насколько я знаю :)
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[20:34:59] xa4a: на средиземное..
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[20:35:04] Typhon: кто-то вызывался нафигачить gossip, но я ничего не видел на эту тему
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[20:35:36] Typhon: "Ciklum — датская аутсорсинговая IT компания" — не похоже, что на средиземное %)
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[20:41:31] xa4a: Typhon: на мальту
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[20:41:54] Typhon: урлы? %)
[20:42:18] xa4a: в почте)
[20:43:13] Darth Лис: Typhon: а почему ffi-rzmq а не официальный zmq?
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[20:43:38] Typhon: Darth Лис: ффи круче %)
[20:43:45] Darth Лис: чем?
[20:43:51] Typhon: + из заметных наверху фишек — контекст автоматом закрывается
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[20:44:17] Darth Лис: его версия как бы говорит о том что он ещё далёк от завершения
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[20:44:47] Typhon: ни разу не глючил, вроде бы, чаще змку в ассерты летает %0
[20:45:10] Darth Лис: гым
[20:45:18] Darth Лис: а какие юзкейсы у тебя?
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[20:46:15] Typhon: у меня несложная топология древовидная паб/саб + реп/рек. а так змку в конторе во всю используется, новая серебряная пуля ^__^
[20:47:33] Darth Лис: Typhon: дак а что ты делаешь с этими паб/сабами и что контора убивает этой пулей? (абстрактно)
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[20:49:05] Darth Лис: Typhon: признавайся, а то я всем расскажу что ты еретик ;)
[20:50:27] Typhon: все уже знают :'(
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[21:14:11] mishok13_: мальта-хуяльта, там ебашить код для вендовой конторы
[21:14:16] mishok13_: и жить в мальте
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[21:19:07] mishok13_: лучше уж тогда в ульяновск, но окамле писать
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[21:23:07] xa4a: насчёт вендовых контор - на доу сегодня тред… там одни тролли толще других
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[21:23:44] mishok13_: хм
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[21:23:57] mishok13_: это там где айтишник убирает линукс?
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[21:24:14] xa4a: ага
[21:24:29] mishok13_: а меня больше вот это порадовало -- http://www.developers.org.ua/forums/topic/4028/
[21:25:04] mishok13_: highload, loadbalancing, scale, 200k req/day (~3 req/s)
[21:25:16] mishok13_: и предыдущие посты от того же автора рекоммендую
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[21:25:51] Typhon: Серверная часть сайта будет очень хорошо оптимизирована, единственное что понадобится — это серверная оптимизация
[21:26:24] Typhon: Сразу скажу, что сайт будет инсталлирован не в Украине, поэтому физ. доступа у вас к серверу не будет, только через telnet. Хотя если там нужно будет что-то сложное, мы, возможно, оплатим билет в обе стороны и проживание у нас пока нужно будет все сделать.
[21:26:43] Typhon: тот чувак с генту и серверами в подвале не подойдёт :-(
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[21:35:59] gigimon: Typhon: забавный парень)
[21:37:07] Darth Лис: хрен рогатый
[21:37:18] Darth Лис: высоронагруженный спизженный Коммерсант
[21:37:21] Darth Лис: от жеж
[21:37:28] mishok13_: :)
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[21:37:49] Magister Yoda: cutwater: слови + в карму =)
[21:38:02] cutwater: штоа
[21:38:05] cutwater: зафига
[21:38:20] Magister Yoda: cutwater: захотелось. я сегодня добрый =)
[21:38:26] cutwater: ))
[21:38:34] cutwater: гратс
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[21:39:12] Magister Yoda: cutwater: ты крякнутой пользуешься?
[21:39:23] cutwater: нет. я не пользуюсь. пробовал триалку.
[21:39:49] Magister Yoda: тут есть представители джетмозгов?
[21:40:01] mishok13_: вроде как нету
[21:40:18] cutwater: Magister Yoda: в принципе штука неплохая. даже очень.
[21:40:18] Magister Yoda: тогда ок. а я крякнутую юзаю :-D
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[21:40:37] cutwater: а я в vim пишу. мне хватает.
[21:40:46] cutwater: почти всего
[21:41:26] Darth Лис: Magister Yoda: вот хитрец :D
[21:41:32] Typhon: Magister Yoda: хм, можно ж заплатить
[21:41:38] Typhon: из патриотизма!1!
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[21:41:58] Magister Yoda: Typhon: я бедный студент
[21:42:01] Darth Лис: mishok13 и часто на ДОУ таки кадры ходят?
[21:42:39] mishok13_: Darth Лис, судя по тому, что учебный год закончился
[21:42:48] mishok13_: то сейчас частота увеличилась
[21:42:58] mishok13_: обычно городских сумасшедших мало
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[21:44:01] Magister Yoda: кто-нибудь генерит биткоины? :-D
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[21:44:44] огыешсук: А смысл?
[21:44:46] cutwater: ну я тоже еще студент
[21:44:53] cutwater: два дня осталось быть студентом
[21:45:02] огыешсук: Magister Yoda: Пять лет назад ещё можно было, а сейчас занафига бы?
[21:45:07] Magister Yoda: cutwater: крут крут.
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[21:45:24] Magister Yoda: огыешсук: 5 лет назад биткоинов ещё не было) они появились в конце 2009
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[21:45:48] огыешсук: Ok, два.
[21:45:52] Magister Yoda: огыешсук: а ты курс видел? 1 BTC = 17$
[21:45:59] mishok13_: Magister Yoda, и шо
[21:46:15] mishok13_: ты курс фунта стерлинга видел до отвязки его от золота?
[21:46:33] огыешсук: И? Сколько тот 1BTC генеряццо будет? А мне и без них 25$/h платють.
[21:46:38] Magister Yoda: mishok13_: если очень повезёт и ты сгенерируешь блок, то получишь почти 1килобакс
[21:46:53] mishok13_: МММ ты мой МММ
[21:47:12] Magister Yoda: mishok13_: эээм... тут никаких вложений так-то
[21:47:33] mishok13_: правильно, тут главное верить
[21:48:03] mishok13_: только бумажки в бумажнике, в которые все верят, они подкреплены государствами, а биткойн подкреплен верой
[21:48:26] cutwater: =)
[21:48:39] Magister Yoda: тем не менее с каждым днём он дорожает...
[21:48:42] cutwater: огыешсук: 25$/h что за работа? в офисе или фриланс?
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[21:48:58] mishok13_: Magister Yoda, когда-то алюминий стоил в тысячи раз дороже золота
[21:49:06] огыешсук: cutwater: удалёнка, джанга, будь она неладна
[21:49:09] cutwater: =)
[21:49:12] cutwater: а опыт сколько?
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[21:49:19] огыешсук: опыта дофига
[21:49:26] cutwater: /me хотеть ставку по 25$ в час.....
[21:49:35] огыешсук: это ж копейки
[21:49:42] огыешсук: /me хотел бы ставку в 100$/h
[21:50:01] cutwater: огыешсук: $ 4000 ?
[21:50:05] cutwater: для украины
[21:50:09] cutwater: фигасе копейки
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[21:50:32] cutwater: $ 4000 в месяц. при 40 часовой рабочей неделе.....
[21:50:55] Magister Yoda: огыешсук: зажрался =)
[21:51:07] alecs: гг
[21:51:10] огыешсук: У меня не 4, я ленивый и на полный рабочий день пахать за такие копейки ни разу не согласный
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[21:51:43] alecs: где такие копейки ещё найти ?
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[21:52:13] Tony: alecs, я примерно за столько щас работаю
[21:52:23] alecs: эх ...
[21:52:35] alecs: а сколько работаете в python/django ?
[21:52:35] Tony: кстати тоже python/django
[21:52:53] Tony: в каком смысле сколько?
[21:52:57] cutwater: ну опыт штоле
[21:53:01] cutwater: хм...
[21:53:02] alecs: угу
[21:53:11] cutwater: /me ощущает что не туда он пошел работать....
[21:53:15] alecs: ггг
[21:53:16] Tony: ну начинал с 2006. полностью python/django где-то с 2007
[21:53:26] alecs: фриланс ?
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[21:53:35] Tony: в каком смысле фриланс?
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[21:53:49] alecs: ну в смысле в офис не ходишь ?
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[21:53:55] Tony: не хожу
[21:53:58] alecs: круто
[21:54:02] Tony: а разве если в офис не ходишь, то это сразу фриланс?
[21:54:07] alecs: хм
[21:54:07] огыешсук: не путайте офис, удалёнку и фриланс, это три разные класса
[21:54:13] Tony: огыешсук, +1
[21:54:14] cutwater: мда... я с 2006 работая в офисе будучи студентом получаю сильно меньше.
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[21:54:15] alecs: ну да , сорри
[21:54:17] cutwater: надо что-то делать
[21:54:23] xa4a: если что мы ищем хорших питонистов :)
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[21:54:37] Tony: xa4a, удаленка?
[21:54:39] alecs: с 2006 работаю будучи студентом ? это печально ...
[21:54:53] огыешсук: cutwater: бросай ты офис нафиг, не стоит оно того
[21:54:56] cutwater: точней работаю с 2007го. до этого фриланс.
[21:55:02] xa4a: Tony: офис, киев
[21:55:07] cutwater: огыешсук: да пока что устраивает ибо стабильно.
[21:55:14] Tony: xa4a, не. не интересно. :p
[21:55:20] alecs: :) что за компания ?
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[21:55:31] cutwater: xa4a: ну я пока что тут опыта наберусь.
[21:55:42] огыешсук: cutwater: дело твоё. Меня офис тоже 7 лет стабильно устраивал. Теперь сильно жалею зря потраченное время.
[21:55:46] xa4a: alecs: http://hh.ua/vacancy/4424118
[21:56:12] cutwater: хм
[21:56:30] alecs: :) это действительно хороших
[21:56:51] cutwater: xa4a: ну а у меня опыта на питоне еще и года нету. вот хоть год на питоне посижу, будет видно.
[21:57:05] cutwater: потом решу куда себя деть
[21:57:16] Darth Лис: cutwater: а что ты делал тут всё это время?!
[21:57:20] cutwater: с RabbitMQ кстати работали
[21:57:34] Darth Лис: ты же тут не первый год тусуешься
[21:57:35] xa4a: я стараюсь избегать)
[21:57:41] cutwater: не первый. изучать стал давно
[21:57:51] cutwater: но толком в серьезной разработке именно на питоне не участвовал.
[21:57:59] cutwater: до этого на С++ писал
[21:58:05] Tony: а я хочу свой бизнесс.
[21:58:11] cutwater: устроился работать питонером с февраля этого года
[21:58:11] Tony: со своим проектом.
[21:58:26] огыешсук: /me хочет изучить erlang, а ещё свой бизнес
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[21:58:37] alecs: cutwater: куда кстати устроился , если не секрет ?
[21:58:39] Darth Лис: Tony: все хотят, некоторые, правда, только подсознательно
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[21:59:03] Tony: Darth Лис, далеко не все хотят.
[21:59:12] alecs: ну мне мало о чем говорит ) я из Беларуси
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[21:59:35] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (И проектов можно дофига разных зачать, кстати. Нанять студентов, они вроде как довольно дешевые и активные, правда не знают нифига...)
[21:59:36] Tony: опять же надо понимать, что если ты в свой бизнес уходишь, то придется программирование на каком-то уровне оставить
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[22:00:47] огыешсук: Tony: говорят, от старта до полного ухода 2-4 года обычно проходит.
[22:01:10] Tony: а вот уходить полностью не хочу.
[22:01:18] Tony: интересно, марк что-то еще пишет или все уже?
[22:01:30] огыешсук: Можно оставить себе архитектурные задачи, а кодинг полностью отдать хорошим (за 2-4 года воспитанным) студентам.
[22:01:47] mishok13_: какой Марк?
[22:01:53] mishok13_: Марк Рамм штоле?
[22:01:54] Tony: цукерберг
[22:02:01] alecs: гг
[22:02:11] огыешсук: Разве для развлечения.
[22:02:15] mishok13_: как будто он что-то писал изначально
[22:03:18] Darth Лис: гыгы
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[22:03:56] Darth Лис: Tony: а почему кстати именно "свой"?
[22:04:03] Darth Лис: зачем?
[22:04:15] Tony: Darth Лис, потмоучто аутсорс это дрочерство
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[22:04:28] Darth Лис: ехай в штаты
[22:04:30] xa4a: Darth Лис предлагает отжать чужой
[22:04:53] Darth Лис: xa4a :D
[22:04:54] Tony: отжать чужой это в наследство достанется какой-то пиздец.
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[22:05:38] огыешсук: Да, свои проекты рулят. Мотивируют и всё такое. Вот если бы за них ещё и платили...
[22:05:57] Tony: хуевый проект если за него не платят
[22:06:16] Tony: я долго работал в компании в которой только свои проекты. с тех пор аутсорс для меня синоним вселенского ужаса
[22:06:27] Darth Лис: есть тыщщитон проектов для души а не для денег
[22:06:43] Tony: да у всех такие есть скорей всего
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[22:14:56] огыешсук: /me 8 лет работал на аутсорсе. Разрабатывал программы с миллионами активных пользователей по всему миру. Высокие нагрузки, все дела. Типа интересно. Но не своё, не родное. Ну и платят в офисах так себе (ещё бы, если налоги половину съедают, а на другую половину надо ещё офисные здания с сотнями менеджеров содержать).
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[22:21:21] огыешсук: То есть, оутсорс это не так, чтобы ужас. Вряд ли без оного можно так запросто поучаствовать в столь крупных проектах (разве в яндексогуглы если подацца), познакомиться с организацией процесса разработки в разных любопытных компаниях: например, Nortel -- которая была в 19м веке основана, а потом в свеженьком высокоуспешном американском стартапе, выкупившем себе под офис здание местного детского сада и приглашающего каждого разработчика по очереди к себе в гости.
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[22:48:55] alecs: здорово когда на удаленке можешь так работать и столько зарабатывать )
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[22:49:57] alecs: у меня например наоборот начальный этап ) поработал за копейки на удаленке полгода , кризис заставляет перебираться в офис ...
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[23:16:31] огыешсук: а что за кризис?
[23:16:39] Tony: +.
[23:17:20] Sevenov: alecs, ты где кризис нашел?
[23:17:30] alecs: хм :) кризис ... кризис это когда девальвация на 60% разовая
[23:17:53] alecs: и когда не видно за счет чего будут проблемы решаться. Вот тогда это полный кризис )
[23:18:02] Sevenov: емнип, в "кризис" панически увольняли с офисов и был наплыв фрилансеров, и работа их дешевле.
[23:18:35] alecs: ) и качество ?
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[23:19:52] Tony: локальные проблемы вялорусии
[23:20:21] Tony: когда у тебя деятельность внешнеэкономическая тебе даже лучше когда локальные какие-то передряги начинаютс.я
[23:20:23] Sevenov: alecs, и качество выше, да.
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[23:20:57] огыешсук: да, если локальная девальвация идёт, то как то странно с удалёнки в офис перебираться, по идее надо ровно наоборот
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