[00:02:29] alecs: не-а , не наоборот :) в it всегда платят , это этакая международная и, на мой взгляд, самая защищенная профессия
[00:02:53] Tony: самая защищенная и международная профессия это медик.
[00:03:05] Sevenov: > в it всегда платят
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[00:03:42] Sevenov: alecs, знаешь сколько в Набережных Челнах получают кодеры в банках (самые высокооплачиваемые)? 25к рублей.
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[00:03:53] Sevenov: Это, как правило, тимлиды.
[00:04:01] Sevenov: В остальных - 10-15 тыщщ
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[00:11:55] Typhon: у вас и квартиру, наверное, можно за 5 тыщ снять?
[00:13:03] Sevenov: минимум 7к.р. в жопе.
[00:13:14] alecs: :) ребят , банки не надо рассматривать
[00:13:15] alecs: и заводы
[00:13:26] Sevenov: alecs, а что надо рассматривать?
[00:13:37] alecs: компании софтовые
[00:13:38] Sevenov: Typhon, но жратва дешевая, с/х в Татарстане развито хорошо.
[00:13:45] alecs: как правило договоренность по з.п. в валюте
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[00:15:07] Sevenov: у нас 25 из 30 софтварных компаний - это 1С, 4 - говновебстудии, 1 - софт для энергетиков.
[00:15:08] Sevenov: Всё.
[00:17:05] alecs: никто ж не держит в набережных челнах
[00:17:06] alecs: правда ?
[00:17:23] alecs: в моем городишке вообще нет никаких компаний ))
[00:17:36] Sevenov: alecs, никто ж не держит в твоём городишке
[00:17:39] Sevenov: правда ?
[00:18:00] alecs: а я и не ною что зарплаты мелкие
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[00:30:50] Sevenov: > в it всегда платят

Всё началось с этого. А я тебе объясняю, что даже в монолитных компаниях низкие з/п, куда уж там до ит-контор, которые никому не нужны.
[00:31:01] Sevenov: Всем хватает экселя, ворда и 1с.
[00:31:46] Darth Лис: ого, вот это отчаяние
[00:31:55] Darth Лис: Sevenov: совсем плохо, да?
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[00:35:01] Sevenov: Darth Лис, не, мне нормально. Благо, всякие министерства переходят на ипады - им понравилось смотреть всякую отчётную инфографику по надою молока тыкая в экран :3
[00:35:41] Darth Лис: ты в ойпад девелоперы мутировал?
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[00:40:16] alecs: просто надо искать себе место
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[00:43:00] Darth Лис: Sevenov:
[00:43:36] Sevenov: Darth Лис, я мутировал в девелоперы всего, для чего тут нет девелоперов :3
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[00:44:18] Sevenov: а это 80% новья в ит.
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[00:49:57] alecs: "Питер хороший город , но провинция ..." (с) к/ф "Брат"
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[01:05:37] Typhon: Darth Лис, какая-то шифрованная шляпа приходит ^_^
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[05:32:53] webninja: ух, фласк ваще норм. тема
[05:33:07] webninja: я причастился )
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[10:56:46] _lorien: в python есть родная filo очередь с ограниченной длинной?
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[10:59:09] _lorien: ага, да уже нашёл collections.deque
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[12:00:19] webninja: парни
[12:00:41] webninja: сделал меню в приложении
[12:00:55] webninja: элементы меню можно добавлять в базу
[12:02:23] webninja: сверху вообщем навигационное выпадающее яваскриптом. так вот оно как бы для каждой вьюхи надо. как нибудь можно это реализовать чтобы не передвать каждый раз в теплейт.
[12:02:55] webninja: проще говоря нужно на каждой вьюхе делать запрос в БД.
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[12:06:05] webninja: реально как нибудь вынести это?
[12:06:22] denplis: что именно?
[12:06:34] webninja: сек поясню гавнокодом своим
[12:06:51] denplis: это django ?
[12:06:56] denplis: или flask?
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[12:07:04] webninja: джанго
[12:07:08] webninja: @render_to("about_us.html")
def about_us_view(request):
return {'about_us': ContentBlock.objects.filter(title="about us")[0],
"services": Service.objects.all()}
[12:07:34] webninja: ну вот например. из services конструируется это меню. и его в каждую вьюху приходится передавать что мне кажется не круто ваще.
[12:08:01] denplis: для каждой вьюхи свое меню?
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[12:08:48] denplis: напиши тег
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[12:14:00] webninja: хм. можно попробовать. а еще есть какие-нибудь варианты?
[12:14:14] webninja: мидлвари же для каждой вьюхи вызываются? реально мидлварь сделать?
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[12:19:01] denplis: а чем тег не подходит?
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[12:22:22] webninja: подходит вроде, щаз читаю на стэковерфлоу похожую тему как советуют делать.
[12:22:33] webninja: тэгами тоже
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[12:23:40] _lorien: не надо мидлварю
[12:23:45] _lorien: надо темплейт тэгом
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[12:24:16] _lorien: мидлварью можно, но это тупо
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[12:38:18] nmk: _lorien: а почему не контекстпроцессором и отрисовать меню в каком-нибудь базовом шаблоне?
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[12:39:46] _lorien: потому что тогда придётся или в контекстпроцессоре трахаться с html или в базовом шаблоне работать с голыми данными, взятыми из процессора. Я считаю, что inclustion template tag в данном случае самое красивое решение.
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[12:40:32] webninja: ок. так и сделаю
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[19:44:43] starodubcevmax: кто может подсказать по поводу точности time.time()?
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[19:45:09] starodubcevmax: в командной строке она выводит 6 знаков после запятой
[19:45:18] starodubcevmax: а в скрипте только два
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[19:45:57] starodubcevmax: как можно ее заставить выводить 6 знаокв после запятой в скрипте
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[19:48:38] _lorien: покажи код скрипта
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[19:49:59] starodubcevmax: print time.time()
или
a = time.time()
print a
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[19:50:50] starodubcevmax: может он обрезает во время присвоения значения переменной
[19:50:51] _lorien: >>> print '%.13f' % time.time()
1307548241.4766190052032
[19:50:59] starodubcevmax: ага
[19:51:03] starodubcevmax: сппасибо
[19:51:11] _lorien: пожалуйста, я правда не понял сам ничо :)
[19:51:38] _lorien: почему по-умолчанию выводится только два знака
ведь так выводятся все:
>>> print 10.234234
10.234234
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[19:52:15] starodubcevmax: да очень странно
[19:52:29] starodubcevmax: кстати в третем питоне все нормально
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[20:03:18] mishok13: у дефолтного отображения float в питоне ограничена ширина
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[20:05:35] _lorien: тогда почему в последнем пример выводится не 2 знака?
[20:06:03] nmk: 12 цифр для str и 17 для repr.
[20:06:07] mishok13: потому что в последнем примере ты указываешь количество знаков после запятой, не?
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[20:06:13] starodubcevmax: print math.pi
выводит 3.14159265359
[20:06:41] _lorien: mishok13: не, другой пример:
>>> print 10.234234
10.234234
[20:06:52] _lorien: а если вывести time.time(), то только два знака будет
[20:07:17] nmk: _lorien: потому что перед точкой много цифр
[20:07:19] mishok13: >>> print pi
3.14159265359
>>> print 1000 * pi
3141.59265359
>>> print time()
1307549178.16

[20:07:21] mishok13: шо не ясно?
[20:08:18] _lorien: типа количество знаков после запятой зависит от размера целой части, меньше места?
[20:08:22] nmk: _lorien: если у тебя год не 70ый стоит, коненчо :)
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[20:11:07] starodubcevmax: та все ясно, просто я думал что дробная часть сама по себе
[20:11:15] starodubcevmax: надо бы матчасть получить
[20:11:25] starodubcevmax: *поучить
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[23:59:05] mr.oduvan: Hi all