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[08:36:11] _lorien: Tony: хостинг картинок, ну например, хочешь поделиться с людьми порно-торрентом, для этого надо показать сцены из фильма, а картинки надо где-то хостить для этого
[08:36:22] _lorien: или пишешь статью на хабра и надо где-то картинку положить
[08:37:42] Tony: _lorien, такого же до жопы уже. да и blobstore / amazon s3 решает. не?
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[08:39:17] _lorien: да не, я просто хочу поработать с большим трафиком и объёмом инфы
[08:39:22] _lorien: не для денег, а для опыта
[08:39:32] _lorien: ну или подкинь другую идейку какую-нть )
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[11:20:33] wiz: http://www.ep.io/pricing/ ок цены?
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[12:46:29] Prikraz: Здравствуйте, как можно связать две запущенные программы на python? Одна слушает 80 порт и работает как сайт, а вторая джаббер бот, запущены они под разными PID'ами, можно как-то не объединяя их в одну попросить с сайта отправить джаббер бота сообщение?
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[12:46:36] Tony is now Когда я умер не было никого, кто бы это опроверг.
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[12:47:37] wiz: можно
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[12:47:51] Prikraz: как?
[12:47:52] wiz: google://IPC
[12:47:57] Prikraz: ок
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[12:48:19] _lorien: как мне видеть вывд скрипта на консоли и дублицировать вывод в файл одновременно?
[12:48:27] Typhon: tee
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[12:48:56] _lorien: спасибо, работает
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[12:49:09] Typhon: давайте ещё блиц-вопросов %)
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[12:49:57] Darth Лис: Prikraz: можно ещё по другому пути пойти, google://zmq ;)
[12:50:56] mishok13: zmq ⊆ IPC
[12:51:01] _lorien: в простейшем случае сайт кладёт задания в бд, прога периодически бд смотрит, берёт задания и удаляет их из бд
[12:51:07] Typhon: кстати, странно, что на вике нету ссылки
[12:51:09] _lorien: это если без умных слов )
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[12:51:46] mishok13: бд как message queue?
[12:51:52] _lorien: ага
[12:51:54] mishok13: даже не знаю
[12:52:16] _lorien: ну это зависит от скорости реакции, если надо раз в минуту реагировать, то можно и в бд и ещё от количества заданий
[12:52:17] mishok13: мне всегда казалось что бд не для этого
[12:52:50] wiz: _lorien, сайт кладёт задания в бд и кидает SIGUSR1 боту. бот лезет в бд и т.д.
[12:52:53] wiz: почти рилтайм же
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[12:53:20] _lorien: хз, может и проще через скоет тогда задания кидать без всяких бд :)
[12:53:38] _lorien: просто вариант с бд очень простой и понятный всем
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[12:54:13] Typhon: сайт создаёт файл в фс, бот мониторит диру, читает файлы и удаляет их
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[12:54:32] Typhon: сайт кидает смс оператору, оператор вставляет дискету, бот считывает, форматирует
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[12:55:13] Prikraz: нене, постоянно когда ненужно читать бд не хорошо
[12:56:13] Prikraz: хорошо бы иметь возможность вызвать из сайта функцию из работающего процесса бота, как в тредах, только в процессах ОС
[12:57:19] Darth Лис: что сделать?!
[12:57:29] Typhon: CORBA!11!1!1
[12:57:41] Prikraz: ну не могу я лучше сформулировать блин
[12:58:00] xa4a: Typhon: CORBA?
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[12:58:06] xa4a: а, не так прочитал
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[12:59:22] Typhon: Prikraz: в ipc про rpc написанно
[12:59:26] Prikraz: в файле бота допустим функция отправки сообщения, с файла сайта нужно эту функцию вызвать. если бы запускал одну программу и в тредах запускал модуль сайта и бота, тогда вызвать из файла сайта функцию из файла бота было бы легко.
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[13:02:10] Typhon: для детей — если бы ты умел делать два дела, ты бы их делал, но ты умеешь/можешь делать одно только дело, а твой товарищ умеет делать другое. как ты будешь поступать в таком случае? ты же не будешь пытаться управлять мыслями его и делать это дело за него, ты просто попросишь, да? %)
[13:02:21] Typhon: "паря, отправь-ка сообщение!"
[13:02:39] Prikraz: ну да
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[13:03:06] l0rda: re
[13:03:26] Prikraz: а совместно двум процессам использовать один модуль с одними данными не получится?
[13:03:42] Typhon: Prikraz ну вот пусть и сайт тоже "говорит" второму процессу "отправь-ка"
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[13:04:25] Prikraz: не удобно это блин как-то
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[13:05:50] Typhon: что именно ?
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[13:05:53] Typhon: сообщения посылать?
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[13:06:11] l0rda: re
[13:06:25] Darth Лис: l0rda: ты не бот случайно?
[13:06:28] nmk: проставьте плюсиков :) http://youtrack.jetbrains.net/issue/PY-1032
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[13:07:12] Prikraz: вот rpc кажется то, что надо
[13:07:33] Prikraz: благодарю
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[13:08:30] kostafey: nmk куда ставить-то?
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[13:08:49] kostafey: Вообще, я за PyDev
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[13:08:50] nmk: kostafey: ну там где 43 и стрелка вверх, туда нажать надо
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[13:09:13] kostafey: Guest can't vote for issues.
[13:09:24] nmk: ну. можно быть и за pydev, но тут интресно сделают впилят ли они поддержку джинжы
[13:09:25] kostafey: Ну там еще регится....
[13:09:34] nmk: там можно через гуглоак войти
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[13:10:52] kostafey: 44 :)
[13:11:22] nmk: спс
[13:11:43] kostafey: Вообще, надо по-хорошему emacs настраивать. Все лень.
[13:12:10] kostafey: Хотя PyCham - тоже полезный проект.
[13:12:27] kostafey: Жаль не открытый.
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[13:17:40] mishok13: меня сильно беспокоят ide заточенные под один конкретный язык
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[13:18:30] mishok13: к эклипсу через жопу прикрутили CDT, потом PyDev, и то и другое абы как
[13:18:42] mishok13: теперь вот jetbrains пыжится
[13:18:48] nmk: mishok13: ну можно взять большую idea, там много языков
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[13:18:52] mishok13: wing ide тоже
[13:18:56] nmk: я даже попробовал скачать
[13:18:57] nmk: работает вроде
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[13:19:19] kostafey: wing ide меня совершенно не вдохновила.
[13:19:19] mishok13: и какие там языки кроме си-подобных?
[13:19:24] _lorien: кто-нить может просветить:
import cmemcache
import memcache
какие либы в каждом случае, где они хостятся?
Например cmemcache не ищется на pypi
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[13:19:56] _lorien: есть пакет python-memcached но он реально заебал, часто timeout вылетает при его установке, дистри не скачивается
[13:19:58] nmk: mishok13: кроме си подобных?
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[13:20:18] mishok13: окамель, хаскиль, кложура, эрланг?
[13:20:32] nmk: ну ты же сам знаешь ответ на этот вопрос
[13:20:46] mishok13: emacs or vim, да
[13:21:10] mishok13: фишка в том, что даже сишарп не поддерживается, хотя казалось бы, в чем проблема?
[13:21:27] nmk: возможно если мне когда-нибудь понадоится что-то из этих языков, то я задумаюсь о выдоре нового текстового редактора
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[13:21:43] mishok13: бляха, да даже на плюсах в идее нельзя писать
[13:21:49] mishok13: исключительно питон, руби или жабка
[13:22:10] kostafey: У емакса свои проблемы есть.
[13:22:18] kostafey: А в чем цель-то?
[13:22:30] mishok13: расскажи мне о проблемах имакса
[13:22:35] nmk: mishok13: на плюсах нельзя, да. :)
[13:22:48] kostafey: Хочем универсальную ide?
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[13:23:31] mishok13: /me вообще смысла в ide не видит
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[13:23:55] kostafey: Емакс с видеокарточкой не работает. Это может дать тормоза на нетоповом жележе при простой подсветки синтаксиса.
[13:24:02] nmk: mishok13: да брось, прикольно же когда шаблончик прямо из вьюшки в джанге создается :)
[13:24:03] mishok13: о_О
[13:24:09] nmk: :))))))))))
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[13:24:34] kostafey: Мля, сколько очепяток.
[13:24:43] mishok13: ёбаный ад, тормоза в имаксе
[13:24:50] mishok13: привет из 80ых что-ли?
[13:24:58] _lorien: о, pylibmc заебок
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[13:25:05] kostafey: Ага. Из них самых.
[13:25:07] mishok13: /me купился на провокацию, похоже
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[13:25:17] mishok13: ты жабо иде запускал?
[13:25:35] nmk: _lorien: pylibmc заебок да, там даже консистент хешинг есть какой-то
[13:25:55] kostafey: Вторая проблема - я нет нормальной навигации по коду. Все остальное я готов емаксу простить.
[13:26:02] kostafey: Запускал, да.
[13:26:21] kostafey: Но там ты тупо втыкаешься в исчерпание памяти.
[13:26:28] mishok13: нормальной навигации нету?
[13:26:42] mishok13: да ты наркоман
[13:26:43] kostafey: На работе с текстом это не всегда сказывается.
[13:27:06] nmk: чуваки
[13:27:08] _lorien: nmk: а нет, облом, джанга почему-то не умеет его импортировать
[13:27:12] nmk: вы видели разные емаксы
[13:27:16] _lorien: вот уроды, нахер было в камментах писать про неё
[13:27:18] nmk: один видел голый из дистрибутива
[13:27:21] kostafey: Я хочу ткнуть мышкой в использование функции и перейти к ее объявлению.
[13:27:27] nmk: а второй с 50ти килобайтным конфигом
[13:27:40] nmk: _lorien: там же просто свой бекенд написать
[13:27:42] mishok13: nmk, ты тоже не кури, пожалуйста
[13:27:48] kostafey: Независимо от того где она объявлена.
[13:27:48] mishok13: там конфига 300 строк init.el
[13:27:59] nmk: ну, я переборщил, да. :)
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[13:28:46] nmk: _lorien: только под mod_wsgi с ним аккуратней, там раньше в дебиане вроде была версия, которая блочит все нахрен :)
[13:28:47] mishok13: kostafey, если не против аналогии -- ты попробовал приготовить паста болоньезе, не получилось, заварил мивину и залил кетчупом и тебе вкусно
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[13:29:38] kostafey: Я пока не очень понял, если честно...
[13:29:42] nmk: _lorien: https://github.com/jbalogh/django-pylibmc или вот еще
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[13:30:42] _lorien: nmk: да всё проще оказалось Set BACKEND to django.core.cache.backends.memcached.MemcachedCache or django.core.cache.backends.memcached.PyLibMCCache (depending on your chosen memcached binding)
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[13:30:56] mishok13: rope для питона, xcscope для сишных синтаксисов, cedet для крепких духом ненавистников xcscope, slime для лиспов, haskell-mode, erlang-mode и tuareg-mode для хаскеля, эрланга и окамля тоже поддерживают нормальную навигацию
[13:31:06] nmk: _lorien: но про то что я тебе версию и блокировку говорил -- помни. :)
[13:31:16] nmk: _lorien: мы так выкатили как-то в тестинг :)
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[13:32:26] _lorien: а я uwsgi юзаю
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[13:32:47] kostafey: mishok13 rope, да, слышал про него. Но я не думаю, что он поддерживает привычные мне методы работы.
[13:32:58] kostafey: Настроить, научиться...
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[13:33:48] _lorien: честно говоря хрен бы знал, чо она там делает или не делает с гилом )
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[13:34:30] _lorien: там есть количество процессов в конфиге, наверное просто стока процессов и обслуживает nginx без всяких там тредов
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[13:35:05] kostafey: Потом, ecb должен по-любому через cedet работать. А cedet под питон не точили.
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[13:38:44] _lorien: похоже он по умолчанию треды не делает, но это можно включить
[13:38:46] _lorien: корчое норм
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[13:39:45] Prikraz: http://docs.python.org/library/simplexmlrpcserver.html во, шикарно, то, что надо
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[13:46:03] Tony: nmk, а при чем тут GIL?
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[13:47:05] nmk: Tony: ну pylibmc использовал какой-то там The Simplified GIL State API который не поддерживается mod_wsgi, как-то так
[13:47:08] nmk: ща
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[13:47:25] nmk: Tony: https://github.com/lericson/pylibmc/pull/19
[13:47:37] Prikraz: я в тюрягу играю, бой с тенью
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[14:05:49] nmk: че-то я тут высчитал, что в россии в 2010 году водки произвели больше, чем объем черного моря
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[14:14:50] mishok13: 547000 км квадратных?
[14:14:56] mishok13: кубических, простите
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[14:16:56] mishok13: это каждому человеку на земле в день надо выпивать 250 тысяч литров водки чтобы потребить ее всю
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[14:18:28] mishok13: nmk, ты явно где-то просчитался
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[14:46:59] denplis: прописал в settings.py logger ( django 1.2 ) вот так вот http://dumpz.org/58969/
когда вызываю его через shell
import settings
settings.logger.info('msg') — сообщение записывается два раза, почему два?
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[15:18:41] nmk: mishok13: я в гугле набрал 954000000 литры в кубические метры он мне ответил 954 000 000 литров = 954 000 куб. метр
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[15:19:19] _lorien: Tony: чо за хуйня?
[15:19:22] nmk: mishok13: оу
[15:19:28] nmk: mishok13: там в километрах
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[15:19:31] nmk: Ж)
[15:19:43] nmk: наебался я
[15:19:54] nmk: и думал ведь, что что-то не так.
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[15:20:23] _lorien: denplis: покажи settings.py
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[15:21:15] Tony: _lorien, мысль была типа spam.su 10minutesmail только скажем создает email на какое-то время. Скажем на неделю, и пересылает почту прямо тебе на твой ящик. Можно сделать одноразово, типа получил письмо, виртуальный ящик стирается. Хотя хз. может такое уже есть где
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[15:25:24] denplis: _lorien http://dumpz.org/58978/
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[15:25:37] Tony: _lorien, если есть желание могу помочь. на почте я уже давно служу ямщиком. :)
[15:26:52] denplis: ничего особенного
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[15:27:55] _lorien: Tony: ну т.е. ты хочешь mailinotor.com, но только чтобы можно было указать свой майл и он туда бы переслал?
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[15:28:20] _lorien: denplis: что за жуть, в джанго по другому logging настраивается
[15:28:22] Tony: _lorien, у меня 404 там
[15:28:36] denplis: в 1.2 или 1.3?
[15:28:39] denplis: у меня 1.2
[15:28:39] _lorien: 1.3
[15:28:46] _lorien: так сделай 1.3 ) самое время
[15:28:53] denplis: и не могу использовать 1.2, такие требования :(
[15:28:58] denplis: 1.3*
[15:28:58] Tony: _lorien, ну скажем надо мне на 2 дня емейл. только не заходить по ссылке и не клацкать F5, а чтобы мне на ящик сразу свалилось письмо.
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[15:31:15] _lorien: Tony: ясно да чё-то как-то не очень возбуждает такая идея, тем более там её монетизировать трудно, в картинках можно хотя бы попробовать с рекламой поиграться
[15:31:59] Tony: _lorien, да почему же трудно. как раз можно за копейки вводить разные сервисы.
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[15:32:17] Tony: _lorien, та же реклама в конце писем - аля mail.ru
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[15:42:12] cutwater: утро всем
[15:42:13] cutwater: Я ЗАЩИТИЛ ДИПЛОМ!
[15:42:48] wiz: от кого?
[15:42:58] Tony: сочуствую. теперь ты зауряден
[15:43:01] nmk: cutwater: ты еще трезв? :)
[15:43:04] Typhon: а почему ты в интернете, а не в фонтане?
[15:43:04] wiz: расстрелял комиссию из травмата и убежал?
[15:43:20] Darth Лис: wiz: от комиссии
[15:43:26] cutwater: nmk: прихожу в себя
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[15:43:50] Darth Лис: cutwater: риальне, марш в фонтан :D
[15:43:59] nmk: cutwater: я помню ехал домой с диплома в пиджаке с портфелем и какой-то торчащей бутылкой вина..
[15:44:00] cutwater: :-D ща ща
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[15:44:42] _lorien: cutwater: поздравляю )
[15:45:00] cutwater: спасибо.
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[15:45:25] nmk: cutwater: много не бухай :)
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[15:45:47] cutwater: не много но часто =)
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[16:10:27] _lorien: Tony: да наверное просто охото с картинками повозиться )
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[16:33:44] denplis: _lorien
инициализировать logger в settings.py, это ведь маразм?
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[16:34:29] _lorien: ну вообще да, как-то не очень выглядит, но я этой проблемой не заморачивался никогда
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[16:34:41] denplis: потому что settings.py запускается/импортируется не раз и addHandler будет только добавлять
[16:34:44] _lorien: c другой стороны, почему бы и не в settings.py
[16:35:25] denplis: if len(logger.handlers) == 0:
logger.addHandler(file_handler)

что-то такое получилось
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[20:27:23] _lorien: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0feekbm27 чё-то пиздец какой-то :) эти пункты как бы друг-другу противоречат
[20:27:31] _lorien: если кто-то, то "выражать несогласие", если что-то, то выражать согласие
[20:28:11] _lorien: или я не так перевёл settle a disagreement?
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[20:28:50] _lorien: а, всё понял )
[20:28:59] _lorien: settle это не устанавливать, а заканчивать
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[21:34:51] wiz_: «устранить разногласие» это
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[21:48:07] Crabster: В каком неймспейсе выполняется код в eval()?
python 3.2
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[21:58:36] _lorien: Crabster: протестируй
[21:58:52] _lorien: wiz_: да я тут просто пытаюсь пользователя англоязычным словарём
[21:59:14] _lorien: за час посмотрел 3 минуту 30 секунд фильма :D
[21:59:24] _lorien: пытаясь переводить субтитры через этот словарь
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[22:00:21] _lorien: is that where we've headed - пипец, я в писмьенном виде еле воспринимаю, а на слух:
[22:00:31] _lorien: из ввээээ хедед
[22:01:17] _lorien: даже так: зооээээ хэдед?
[22:02:05] Crabster: 99% фильмов и сериалов с сабами вполне можно смотреть без словаря
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[22:02:25] Crabster: а вот без сабов, конечно, проблема, если плохо воспринимаешь речь
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[22:03:37] wiz_: берёшь какой-нибудь сериал долгий
[22:03:48] wiz_: но не очень интересный (чтобы не жалеть о пропущеном)
[22:03:54] wiz_: и тупо каждый день серии по четыре всасываешь
[22:03:59] wiz_: без словарей и прочей фигни
[22:04:01] _lorien: я могу вообще смотреть фильм без звука и сабов и примерно пойму о чём речь, я просто для прикола каждое слово незнакомое изучаю через en толковый словарь
[22:04:16] wiz_: на втором сезоне уже вольёшься и будешь без перевода все слова понимать
[22:04:36] _lorien: надо попробовать
[22:04:36] wiz_: фильм без звука и сабов это круто ага
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[22:07:32] tilarids: так можно какого-нибудь Майкла Бэя смотреть. Не уверен, что нормальный фильм можно будет понять
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[22:11:13] wiz_: поэтому я и говорю 1) сериал (чтобы большая начитка более-менее однородной речи) и 2) средней интересности
[22:11:30] wiz_: (чтобы можно было половину мимо ушей пропустить и всё равно остаться в теме)
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[22:12:05] wiz_: в таком режиме «понять» цели не стоит. надо тупо сидеть, смотреть, слушать и ассимилировать.
[22:12:12] _lorien: так а сериал с субтитрами?
[22:12:23] _lorien: английскими
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[22:12:39] wiz_: без сабов конечно
[22:12:43] wiz_: прям равки
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[22:12:50] wiz_: иначе весь эффект пропадёт
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[22:13:10] wiz_: если словарный запас нормальный, то речь быстро поставишь.
[22:13:23] _lorien: ладно, хуй с ним со словарем досмотрю фильм так "проклятый остров" вроде интересно
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[22:13:41] wiz_: заодно всякие идиомы всосёшь как есть без тупого дословного перевода или там аналогий
[22:14:16] wiz_: ну и всякий wordplay это вообще отдельная тема из-за которой вообще стоит даже не в учебных целях смотреть на англ.
[22:15:05] wiz_: к концу пятого сезона у тебя в голове будет маленький граммар нацци, который будет негодовать когда ты будешь пытаться написать какой-нибудь i can has a cheseburger
[22:15:18] _lorien: wordplay?
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[22:15:51] wiz_: игра слов
[22:16:18] _lorien: надо девушки предложить сериалы смотреть, а то она чё-то артачиться простоф фильмы на инглише смотреть без русских субтитров
[22:16:30] _lorien: хотя она уже всё что можно пересмотрела :-/
[22:16:43] _lorien: может лост не смотрела, его можно смотреть? )
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[22:17:13] Typhon: Himym смотри
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[22:17:17] Typhon: 1) короткие серии
[22:17:20] Typhon: 2) понятная речь
[22:17:23] Typhon: 3) соверменный язык
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[22:18:34] Crabster: смотрю доктора кто с англ. сабами и англ. речью
произносят они пиздец как убого и непонятно, однако сабы абсолютно понятные, так что можно, если много так смотреть, и к речи привыкнуть
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[22:18:44] wiz_: фтопку девушку, смотри один 7:
[22:18:52] wiz_: Crabster, это не поможет
[22:18:58] wiz_: моск должен сука кипеть прям
[22:19:02] Typhon: на слух надо, ага
[22:19:03] wiz_: иначе бесполезно это всё
[22:19:12] Typhon: с сабами слишком просто всё %)
[22:19:33] tilarids: на слух тоже просто
[22:19:41] wiz_: надо просто привыкнуть
[22:19:56] wiz_: хотя есть люди которым не даётся язык и всё тут ):
[22:19:57] Crabster: когда смотрел трейлер последнего сезона без сабов, примерно с 15 раза понял, что они там в одном моменте говорят
[22:20:09] wiz_: мне их очень жалко, но что делать в таком случае я не знаю...
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[22:20:35] wiz_: Crabster, вот когда посмотришь все сезоны сначала без сабов - трейлер будет вообще не задумываясь восприниматься
[22:20:36] tilarids: для того, чтобы получать риал фан, нужно смотреть сериалы на хиндише в комнате с открытым окном, за которым воют сирены
[22:20:40] wiz_: даже немного на шизу похоже (8
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[22:20:52] tilarids: вот в такой обстановке тренируется слушалка
[22:20:55] Crabster: и к тому же, одно дело - ситкомы, где ничего не происходит, и все спокойно говорят, а другое дело - экшен, где взрывы, звуки, кричат, орут, да еще и не американское, а английское произношение
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[22:21:11] wiz_: Crabster, так это ж challenge.
[22:21:28] wiz_: без такой херни «навыки» в РЛ не пригодятся
[22:22:00] Crabster: ну не знаю, не знаю, по моему смотреть с англ. сабами, и при этом слушать англ. озвучку вполне может помочь
[22:22:06] wiz_: нет
[22:22:25] wiz_: скорочтение может ещё и разовьёшь, но не слух
[22:22:36] Crabster: уж точно лучше, чем смотреть с русскими сабами, когда я иногда думаю: боже, что за идиот это написал?
[22:22:50] wiz_: проблема именно в том, чтобы аццке напрячь моск чтобы он начал перестраиваться под новый язык
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[22:23:03] wiz_: тупо физиологический процесс в мясе
[22:23:12] Crabster: мозг - не мясо
[22:23:18] tilarids: Crabster, слушай умного человека
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[22:23:48] Crabster: и что же ты делаешь, если что-то не понял?
смотришь дальше, или пересматриваешь момент заново?
[22:23:52] tilarids: я по себе знаю. Я чтением английских текстов и сабов сильно поднял скорость чтения. На слуховое восприятие почти не повлияло
[22:23:54] wiz_: смотришь дальше
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[22:24:29] wiz_: первый сезон с непривычки можно вообще 90% не понять, но какбы и хрен бы с ним.
[22:24:42] deepwalker: а еще можно ходить на еженедельные митинги на работе :)
[22:24:49] wiz_: если процесс пойдёт как надо, второй сезон уже не поймёшь всего на 30%
[22:24:51] deepwalker: речь - разная
[22:25:00] wiz_: третий сезон будешь уже весь понимать кроме редких деталей
[22:25:09] Crabster: ну 90% - это врятли
[22:25:12] wiz_: а дальше уже надо потихоньку самому говорить
[22:25:26] Crabster: обычно 70-90% сразу понятно
[22:25:38] wiz_: ну это если подготовка хоть какая-то
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[22:25:56] wiz_: если 90% понятно, тогда вообще без проблем - тупо смотришь дальше не напрягаясь
[22:25:56] Crabster: подготовка - английский в школе со 2 по 11 класс
[22:25:59] wiz_: без перемотки
[22:26:23] wiz_: главное чтоб без сабов и прочих костылей
[22:27:08] wiz_: но вообще 90% даже мне не понятно первые 15 минут - пока язык из свопа не выгрузится в оперативку. а я смотрю фильмы уже лет 8
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[22:28:59] wiz_: да собственно и на русских конференциях и т.п. тоже, пока ещё к докладчику привыкнешь...
[22:29:18] wiz_: бывает такой говор ппц, хорошо хоть слайды есть
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[22:31:31] Crabster: wiz_: ок, знаток английского, разберешь, что здесь говорится:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vIsQ25Krq8
0:10 - 0:12 - каша из слов
0:21 - 0:23 - каша из слов
0:49 - 0:55 - слегка кашеобразно, но по смыслу понятно
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[22:32:36] tilarids: там практически идеальное произношение, кстати
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[22:32:57] tilarids: так что проблема с пониманием должна быть только в словарном запасе
[22:33:02] tilarids: это же тру инглиш!
[22:33:04] Crabster: в 0:10-0:12 и 0:21 - 0:23 - хуита, а не произношение
[22:33:04] tilarids: доктор кто
[22:33:22] Crabster: доктор кто конечно тру, но там все время взрывы, погони, все кричат
[22:33:28] Crabster: это сильно сказывается на произношении
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[22:34:11] wiz_: нормальное произношение
[22:34:12] Crabster: на мой взгляд идеальное произношение для того, кто не очень знает английский в американских ситкомах, вроде the big bang theory, how i met your mother
[22:34:15] Crabster: и т. д.
[22:34:33] wiz_: Crabster, ну да. к тому же такю хрень и пропустить не страшно
[22:34:44] tilarids: нее
[22:34:46] Crabster: не херня ни разу
[22:34:51] tilarids: как раз в английских ситкомах
[22:35:02] tilarids: How Not to Live Your Life - идеальный пример
[22:35:02] wiz_: кстати, английское проихношение даже имеет какую-то свою красоту чтоль
[22:35:05] Crabster: himym - божественен, тббт - тоже отличный
[22:35:37] tilarids: в How Not to Live Your Life они настолько чётко все произносит, что это слух режет
[22:35:42] tilarids: особенно девушка
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[22:35:53] wiz_: UK English has it's Class
[22:35:59] xa4a: в линке первые пол секунды какая-то жесть
[22:36:19] xa4a: даже две
[22:36:20] Crabster: первые пол секунды на мой взгялд понятно
[22:36:28] Crabster: по сравнению например с 0:10 - 0: 12
[22:36:35] wiz_: this is the doctor's darkest hour
[22:36:43] Crabster: he'll rise higher than ever before
[22:36:47] Crabster: and fall so much further
[22:36:53] Crabster: this is the day he finds out who i am
[22:36:59] Crabster: а вот дальше
[22:37:02] tilarids: Crabster, в 0:10 - 0: 12 - это набор слов
[22:37:04] Crabster: хз, что он говорит
[22:37:16] wiz_: /me добавил в плейлист сразу после st:tng
[22:37:35] xa4a: hey, bye-bye girl?
[22:37:43] xa4a: нэ
[22:37:55] Crabster: на 0:20 где-то с раза 15 понял, что он говорит
look how cool this stuff is
[22:37:55] tilarids: he, bye-bey gum
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[22:38:06] tilarids: просто набор слов, бессмысленных
[22:38:20] tilarids: в английском языке тоже свободное словообразование
[22:38:21] xa4a: гугл ещё не умеет сам субтитры выдирать?
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[22:38:51] tilarids: на 0:20 всё понятно, а для правильного понимания того, что он говорит на 10й секунде нужно было родиться в ВБ
[22:39:09] Crabster: wiz_: насчет плейлиста - правильно, главное не слушай придурков, которые советуют смотреть с 5 сезона
начинай с 1 сезона 2005 года, главное не дропай его из-за нескольких плохих серий - начало 1 сезона и правда не очень
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[22:39:50] wiz_: /me смотрел стартрек с первой серии 1960х годов, его теперь ничем не испугаешь
[22:40:16] wiz_: хотя BSG не осилил - слабо, очень слабо
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[22:43:52] Crabster: wiz_: кстати, раз уж смотришь на английском, не подскажешь хороший зарубежный трекер с сериалами, желательно с уведомлением о новых сериях?
[22:44:13] wiz_: я тупо с tpb тащу
[22:44:23] wiz_: и про сериалы не в курсе, особенно онгоинги
[22:44:41] Crabster: wiz_: ни одного огоинга не смотришь?
[22:44:46] Crabster: онгоинга*
[22:45:34] wiz_: неа
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[22:47:03] _lorien: может вавилон 5 тогда смотреть?
[22:47:10] _lorien: он мне нравился раньше
[22:47:30] Crabster: wiz_: что же ты делаешь, когда досматриваешь сериал до состояния онгоинг? бросаешь?
[22:47:53] wiz_: /me начинал как раз с вавилона 5
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[22:48:18] wiz_: Crabster, ну кроме сериалов есть ещё стопицот тыщ фильмов
[22:48:22] wiz_: да и некогда особо смотреть ):
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