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[11:27:01] Magister Yoda: Привет всем! Какие требования к серверу нужно смотреть для небольшого сайта на Django?
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[11:31:04] _lorien: 256 метрво озу
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[11:33:31] Magister Yoda: а проц не важен?
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[11:35:00] Magister Yoda: http://fastvps.ru/vds/ то есть OVZ-3 хватит?
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[11:37:44] _lorien: как правило проц зависит от рамы, короче оно всё друг от друга зависит, поэтому возьми план с 256 ram - там всего тебе хватит
[11:38:02] Magister Yoda: дак такого плана нет)
[11:38:06] Magister Yoda: есть 200 и 300
[11:38:19] Magister Yoda: и проц 600 и 900 соответственно
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[11:38:38] _lorien: ну вот возьми 200 метров
[11:38:44] _lorien: и посмотри хватит тебе проца или не хватит )
[11:39:01] _lorien: я с запасом сказал, у меня бы простой сайт заработал и на 128 метрах
[11:39:25] Magister Yoda: если по сути, у меня тоже ничего сложного...
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[11:39:57] Magister Yoda: http://www.google.ru/webhp?hl=ru ы
[11:41:25] _lorien: yoda, вроде fastvps давали сервер на тест
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[11:41:33] _lorien: ты постучиь к ним в саппорт и попроси для теста ;-)
[11:41:42] _lorien: ну вообще это с любым провайдером делать можно
[11:41:46] Magister Yoda: _lorien: ок. пасиб.
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[11:42:06] _lorien: они вроде реселлеры hetzner.de если я не путаю ничего )
[11:42:33] Magister Yoda: да. они реселлеры.
[11:43:14] Magister Yoda: хотя когда-то давно я юзал другой хостинг... какой-то известный. сейчас название запамятовал... тоже немецкий
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[11:45:12] _lorien: я сначала на ганди был, потом переехал на линоду, а щас на хетцнере дедик взял. А в самом начале я брал дедик в печально известном hosting.ua :)
[11:45:57] Magister Yoda: _lorien: ой.ужас. хостинг в ua лучше вообще никакой не брать, только если ваш проект не нацелен на аудиторию ua
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[11:46:36] _lorien: Не, ну у меня год всё норм было, просто потом скучно стало и я стал эксперементировать с разными VPS. А потом я читал на хабре новость, что у них всё к хренам сгорело там
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[11:48:04] Magister Yoda: _lorien: ну я не думаю, что кто-то сильно горевал)
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[11:49:49] _lorien: ну да, я думаю, все были очень рады, когда все данные их сайтов похерились без возможности бэкапа ))
[11:49:56] webninja: блин чето не могу вдуплить уже несколько часов с ксс =( почему-то блок не растягивается в зависимости от длины контента
[11:50:07] webninja: бля это пиздец ваще я бы охуел если бы такое случилось
[11:50:12] _lorien: потому что контент может быть float: left
[11:50:28] webninja: так, а он такой, да. и что делать?
[11:50:34] _lorien: или может у блока внешнего задана ширина + overflow: hidden
[11:50:40] _lorien: ну ёмаё )
[11:50:44] webninja: =(
[11:50:52] _lorien: если блок float, он как бы витает в воздухе и не влияет на родителей
[11:50:58] webninja: я понимаю
[11:51:01] _lorien: короче, поставить после флоат такую херь:
[11:51:01] webninja: сек
[11:51:11] _lorien: <div style="clear:both"></div>
[11:51:21] _lorien: правда это только на высоту влияет родителя, насколько я понимаю
[11:51:28] _lorien: а как на ширину влиять... видимо никак :)
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[11:51:37] _lorien: или нет, есть вариант :)
[11:51:48] _lorien: надо после флоата воткнуть однопиксельной ширины обычный div :)
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[11:52:13] _lorien: например, если флоат влево, то:
<div id="parent">
<div class="1px"><div float..>
[11:52:29] _lorien: тогда 1px блок будет у нас блоком, растягивающим родителя по ширине )
[11:53:56] webninja: не у меня короче есть блок id="box" внутри которого сайдбар и контент. и почему-то этот бокс по высоте не растягивается, в внутренний блок контент растягивается.
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[11:54:48] _lorien: а, длиной ты высоту называешь )
[11:54:55] _lorien: ну тогда вообще просто, читай выше про clear:both
[11:56:19] webninja: вроде поставил. сек. бля вчера сидел пипец все сделал и такая засада =(
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[11:58:48] Magister Yoda: _lorien: http://www.keyweb.ru/ вспомнил =)
[11:58:50] webninja: http://net4me.us/fail.jpg
[11:58:52] webninja: вот такая тема
[11:58:59] webninja: кейвеб гавно
[11:59:06] Magister Yoda: webninja: почему?
[11:59:36] webninja: я там раньше сервер брал потом обнаружил что часть их подсетей блокируют и в спам листах. потому что они не следят за тем что у них хостят и у них там работают спамилки и прочая хуйня.
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[12:00:24] _lorien: webninja: зачем ты мне шлёшь скриншоты, тебе не помогло решение, что я описал?
[12:01:26] webninja: пробую сек.
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[12:02:07] Magister Yoda: webninja: а что можешь предложить для почти спамилки? :-D
[12:03:11] _lorien: есть сервисы платные, я тока не понял, что будет если через них спам слать )
[12:03:23] _lorien: http://www.critsend.com/pricing
[12:03:26] Magister Yoda: неее, у меня не спам обычный
[12:03:36] _lorien: в смысле, если акк заблочат, то можно ж просто другой акк у них завести
[12:03:36] webninja: хрумер? апостер?
[12:03:43] Magister Yoda: так что это всё не то
[12:03:51] Magister Yoda: webninja: ну типа хрумака
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[12:06:16] webninja: так а что не то? хрумер даже каптчи разгадывает.
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[12:06:37] webninja: больше ничего нет. хрумер медленный, апостер быстрый но там самые простые формы.
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[12:06:55] Magister Yoda: webninja: ну это я знаю. но тут не хрумак. тут самописное.
[12:06:57] webninja: я не использую ничего такого, хотя хрумер есть. им можно профиля регать на форумах, тоже норм.
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[12:07:38] _lorien: webninja: кстати можешь чё-нить прогнать для теста, хочу посмотреть какой эффект будет? )
[12:09:04] webninja: могу дать пасс от акка мне щаз неоткуда его пускать.
[12:09:17] Magister Yoda: ага. это круто. но сейчас нет лишних 590$ и 10$ ежемесячно)
[12:09:28] webninja: отменили абонентку вроде
[12:09:34] Magister Yoda: webninja: http://www.botmasterru.com/index.php
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[12:09:58] webninja: ну у меня были лишние я покупал всякую хрень. лучше самому писать конкретно под задачу.
[12:10:08] Magister Yoda: webninja: вот и я о том же
[12:10:21] webninja: есть хорошый софт но там пхп и это отвратительно Xedant эмулирует браузер.
[12:10:31] Magister Yoda: webninja: что можешь посоветовать, если не кейвеб?
[12:10:42] webninja: hetzner?
[12:10:44] _lorien: webninja: а чо делать с этим пассом? зайти вбить ip своего виндосервера и туда поставить хрумак?
[12:10:48] Magister Yoda: ой, брррр. кседант...
[12:10:53] webninja: скачешь хрум, запустишь )
[12:11:02] webninja: не, можно на комп десктопно
[12:11:13] _lorien: ммм, я без проксей не хочу )
[12:11:24] _lorien: а проксей нет, хотя можно попробовать на awmproxy.com купить
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[12:11:39] webninja: а я пускал ) ничего такого на самом деле.
[12:11:48] _lorien: ну нафиг ))
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[12:12:01] _lorien: я вообще подумываю vpn настроить и только через него лазать
[12:12:07] webninja: ну чето честно говоря особого эффекта не заметно было
[12:12:10] _lorien: а то потом придут и тупо за порнуху предъявят ))
[12:12:11] webninja: ага тема
[12:12:15] _lorien: я читал про подобное ))
[12:12:19] webninja: вряд ли )
[12:12:49] gigimon: пазве домашние юзера нужны кому-то?

[12:13:16] gigimon: у нас тут недавно kino.to закрыли, менты в датацентре сняои винты
[12:13:31] webninja: хехе
[12:13:36] webninja: дц в россии?
[12:13:43] gigimon: в москвашке
[12:13:44] gigimon: вахом
[12:14:12] webninja: атас. ну вот это настоящие преступники.
[12:14:16] Magister Yoda: webninja: не канает. мне виндовс нужна. а там за неё платить надо пипец, больше чем за сам хостинг)
[12:14:26] webninja: иллегал контент все дела.
[12:14:29] gigimon: там смешно еще было, что 2 отдела сражались между собой
[12:14:32] gigimon: кто забирает)
[12:14:40] gigimon: webninja: ссылки только
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[12:14:54] webninja: хм. ну энивэй )
[12:15:06] Magister Yoda: webninja: хотя если ты знаешь какой-нибудь аналог Video Thumbnails Maker под linux - буду рад
[12:15:08] gigimon: а создателей в германии повязали
[12:15:24] webninja: ну они знали на что идут.
[12:15:34] gigimon: да посмотрим
[12:15:36] gigimon: судят)
[12:15:40] webninja: щаз гайки завинчивают насчет контента и это хорошо на самом деле.
[12:15:48] gigimon: да как посмотреть
[12:16:07] gigimon: я например не хочу платить за шлак
[12:16:11] gigimon: а хорошее кино покупаю
[12:16:17] gigimon: да и покупать нынче тяжко
[12:16:23] webninja: хотя я бы честно говоря снижал бы сроки. ну т.к. эксклюзивно права например на один год. а потом на торренты и всё.
[12:16:26] gigimon: сделают как торренты - будет ок
[12:16:34] gigimon: угу
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[12:16:41] webninja: ага или подписка. т.е. есть подписка - качаешь.
[12:16:53] gigimon: в разумных пределах
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[12:16:53] webninja: легально )
[12:16:58] gigimon: и новое
[12:17:04] gigimon: а не как всякие ivi.ru
[12:17:09] gigimon: хлам только
[12:17:22] webninja: ну к этому и идут ) есть еще модная штука content on demand
[12:17:31] gigimon: угу
[12:17:35] gigimon: эппл всякий)
[12:17:43] gigimon: но там тоже новые фильмы через месяц-два
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[12:31:56] webninja: мля чето не получается с ксс все так же
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[12:33:02] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/59803/ как вы думаете норм схема? Т.е. мне надо схему для сайта, на котором купоны размещаются. Т.е. provider содержит инфо по самому сайту + тэг deals, в котором уже сделки описываются
[12:33:32] _lorien: это норм что тэги описывающие провайдера (name, webiste) лежат на одном уровне с тэгом deals?
[12:34:06] _lorien: или надо их выенсти в какой-нить тэг контейнер типа details?
provider:
* details (name, website)
* deals (deal*)
[12:34:35] Magister Yoda: _lorien: а какая разница?
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[12:35:41] _lorien: не знаю, у меня нет составления опыта схем XML, если бы был, то я думаю я бы предпочёл какой-то вариант
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[12:37:01] _lorien: а может я излишне усложнил всё и надо тупо сделать xml со сделками без всяких деталей о провайдере :) просто deals будет корнем xml
[12:37:28] _lorien: это самое простое решение
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[12:48:50] wiz_: /me бы половину в атрибуты запихнул
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[12:50:23] webninja: а зачем тебе хмл?
[12:50:29] webninja: ты его в базе будешь хранить?
[12:50:30] wiz_: http://dumpz.org/59807/
[12:51:26] Tony: какой же все таки пиздец эта ваша верстка.
[12:51:38] webninja: да
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[12:51:54] webninja: я вот сижу щаз хз даже что делать
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[12:52:00] Tony: решил помочь сайт сделать одному opensource сообществу. дизайн есть. все есть. сука верстальщика нет.
[12:52:52] Tony: решил сам сделать. и узнал что такое ЖОПЕРА
[12:53:57] _lorien: webninja: ко мне обратился поставщик купонов и предложил забирать его купоны по xml
[12:53:57] webninja: что это? )
[12:54:07] webninja: о гуд
[12:54:18] _lorien: Tony: опера, это тема, да ;-)
[12:54:36] _lorien: у неё ещё разные версии есть ))
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[12:55:04] Tony: ага. мне тут верстальщик жаловался недавно. сайт не работает в опере 7.четотам.
[12:55:14] Tony: говорит, запускаю оперу, а в ней и сайт оперы поломан.
[12:55:17] Magister Yoda: _lorien: дак особой разницы то нет ведь как их забирать и хранить? как дадут, так и будешь забирать. xml, он и в Африке xml
[12:56:01] _lorien: дадут так, как я захочу
[12:56:06] _lorien: вот я и решаю, как я хочу
[12:56:21] _lorien: не, ну опера 7 это нахуй
[12:56:27] _lorien: надо смотреть 10 и может 9
[12:56:34] wiz_: <data>{'json': 'rocks'}</data> (8
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[13:00:23] _lorien: json сосёт по читаемости у xml
[13:00:47] Tony: YAML
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[13:06:26] wiz_: зато парсиццо легко
[13:06:41] wiz_: loads() и все дела
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[13:07:56] webninja: бля!!! мой косяк. забыл убрать хайгх аттрибут щаз в хроме посидел галочки по переключал и обнаружил. _lorien спасибо огромное ) все заработало я тоже клиар делал но не так как надо оказывается.
[13:08:46] _lorien: ок )
[13:09:22] webninja: .clear { clear : both; } - вот так не работает походу.
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[13:16:34] webninja: вина, женщину, сигару?
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[13:18:49] gf: да, и именно в этом порядке! :)
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[14:09:15] _lorien: читаю про class-based-views, ну и наворотили там
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[14:13:06] alecs: кто работал с pyramid ? Поясните плиз должен ли при traversal объект context нести какую-то "полезную нагрузку(данные)" . Если да , то как это организовать в таком случае?
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[14:14:30] badgopher: alecs: я работаю с ней на работе
[14:15:56] badgopher: alecs: при traversal context - это объект resource. Поясни что ты хочешь организовать?
[14:16:33] alecs: я пока ещё не хочу ничего организовать , я пока что хочу понять ))
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[14:17:07] badgopher: alecs: это просто resource инстанцированный на основе твоего url
[14:17:14] alecs: Using Traversal <http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/1.0/glossary.html#term-traversal> to map a URL to code is optional.
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[14:17:40] alecs: дело в том что в исходном шаблоне к примеру context это MyModel(name=u'test name', value=55)
[14:18:16] alecs: я так понимаю что контекст в большинстве случаев лишь помогает определить URL и view
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[14:18:26] alecs: а привязку к данным не осуществляет ... наверное ...
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[14:20:03] alecs: в таком случае можно реализовывать хранение url в одном объекте , который управляется sqlalchemy (The adjacency list pattern is a common relational pattern whereby a table contains a foreign key reference to itself. This is the most common and simple way to represent hierarchical data in flat tables. )
[14:20:56] badgopher: alecs: во-первых, я не работаю ни с каким ОРМ. Только процедуры и триггеры. Поэтому не могу тебе по этому поводу что-то сказать. У меня context - это resource. Причем к этому resource я могу привязать любые данные. Тебе наверное надо посмотреть как выглядит иерархия ресурсов.
[14:21:23] alecs: примеров реально мало (
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[14:22:35] badgopher: alecs: угу. Это да. Я копал в рассылке pylons-group. Вот один из моих вариантов: http://dumpz.org/53816/
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[14:22:48] alecs: пасиб
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[14:23:37] badgopher: alecs: обрати внимание на Post. Это наверное и есть ответ на твой вопрос. И кстати, посмотри get_root.
[14:24:43] badgopher: alecs: насчет моделей, то доступ к ним как я помню идет через request.model.
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[14:26:25] badgopher: alecs: когда вызывается нужная вьюшка, то ты получишь request.context.post_id
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[14:32:23] alecs: странно , если у тебя root = Root() = / , как же оно траверсить будет , если в твоём Root __getitem__ эксепшн вывалит
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[14:32:43] alecs: ой
[14:32:50] alecs: все окей :)
[14:33:39] badgopher: alecs: там все слишком хитро, поэтому я потом от этого варианта избавился :-) я вообще избавился от get_root. Нужно было каждый раз проверять существование username :-)
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[14:34:26] alecs: просто ты фактически выстраиваешь иерархию вручную от класса верхнего до нижнего
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[14:35:10] alecs: потом все можно изменить гибко конечно , но и кода много
[14:35:36] alecs: а как избавился ?
[14:36:55] alecs: просто я сначала подумал что это можно завязать на один класс это все , который будет сам себя и возвращать циклично , вроде такого : http://www.sqlalchemy.org/docs/05/mappers.html#adjacency-list-relationships
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[14:38:46] badgopher: alecs: я ничего своего не придумывал. Все это есть в pylons-group
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[14:39:02] alecs: ) ок
[14:40:26] badgopher: alecs: get_root - это уловка для того чтобы для каждого запроса не создавать Root
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[14:42:45] alecs: подскажи где эту рассылку найти
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[14:47:08] alecs: badgopher , подскажи плз
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[14:49:02] alecs: да , кстати , там в 37-ой строке уже пора проверять есть ли такой юзер или нет )
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[15:20:25] badgopher: alecs: в гугл гроупс
[15:20:43] badgopher: alecs: поэтому я отказался от этого варианта
[15:21:11] alecs: и каков вариант на данный момент ?
[15:21:43] badgopher: alecs: http://bit.ly/lef4G9 . Я ща в отпуске, а код остался на работе :-)
[15:21:47] x-cat: подскажите, какое ide можно взять для питона? Мне желательно что-то попроще.
[15:22:09] alecs: я вот сейчас pycharm пользую
[15:22:11] alecs: супер вещь
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[15:22:19] alecs: можно eclipse + pydev
[15:22:26] gigimon: x-cat: vim!
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[15:22:47] x-cat: alecs, спасибо, посмотрю
gigimon, он сложный и вроде как только под никсы, а мне под вин32
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[15:22:57] gigimon: вим вроде ж был под винду
[15:23:00] gigimon: не?
[15:23:06] gigimon: x-cat: pyscripter
[15:23:09] cutwater: vim
[15:23:16] cutwater: x-cat: или купи pycharm
[15:23:29] x-cat: хз, почему то думал, что это линуксовая иде. или в линуксе vi?
[15:23:43] alecs: это не иде , а текстовый редактор
[15:23:44] cutwater: x-cat: объяснять или в гугл послать?
[15:24:03] x-cat: cutwater, не надо, я сам все найду
[15:24:28] cutwater: x-cat: если ты собрался заняться питоном то лучше сразу ставь никсы
[15:24:38] x-cat: cutwater, почему, если не секрет?
[15:24:45] alecs: ну и что , autocompletion будет в vim работать?
[15:24:45] cutwater: банально удобней.
[15:24:53] cutwater: alecs: настроишь будет
[15:24:56] badgopher: alecs: да
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[15:25:24] alecs: ишь как )
[15:25:38] badgopher: alecs: можно даже свой словарик на autocompletion повесить. Например, API для пирамиды :-D
[15:25:57] cutwater: badgopher: а вот за хауту на тему буду благодарен
[15:26:15] x-cat: alecs, как чисто текстовый редактор мне нотепад++ хватает.
cutwater, я пробовал несколько раз, но так и не смог выбрать норм дистрибутив. убунта тяжелая слишком, хз что выбрать. Думал, про альтлинукс. Мне если дистрибутив, то надо что то легкое, без этих 3д экранов и чтоб памяти не жрал много. Типа вин2000-хр по весу короче
[15:26:23] alecs: что-то вот хоть я и юзаю vim и много работал в нем на серваке , но как редактор с подсветкой
[15:26:35] alecs: не думал что autocomplete можно прикрутить
[15:26:44] cutwater: там много чего можно прикрутить
[15:26:46] cutwater: лишь бы руки дошли
[15:26:57] cutwater: x-cat: отключи в убунте компиз и будет нормально
[15:27:08] alecs: x-cat , ставь xubuntu в таком случае
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[15:27:13] cutwater: тоже вариант
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[15:27:41] x-cat: спасибо, попробую
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[15:28:04] badgopher: cutwater: тут только :help в виме тебе поможет. Хотя вот тут есть http://bit.ly/le7u6z
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[15:28:09] alecs: вообще если хочешь работать по-человечески с python (да и вообще со всем кроме .net походу) - linux придется изучать
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[15:28:25] cutwater: badgopher: да это понятно.
[15:28:26] alecs: ubuntu слишком простая
[15:28:41] cutwater: alecs: для просто работы нормально
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[15:28:58] alecs: windows ?
[15:29:07] cutwater: хотя по идеологии мне арч ближе
[15:29:27] alecs: вот и я сегодня зашел на #archlinux - буду наверное ставить его
[15:29:27] cutwater: alecs: толсто
[15:29:53] alecs: убунту надоел0 ... 10.10 юзаю , 11.04 не понравился , буду ставить арч
[15:30:01] alecs: генту тоже не понравился
[15:30:04] cutwater: alecs: у меня щас стоит убунта и пока что устраивает, в арче есть пара багов... которые каждый раз надо настраивать
[15:30:09] cutwater: а генту слишком долго и геморно
[15:30:31] cutwater: alecs: раньше я и на арче, и на федоре, и на дебиане сидел.
[15:30:33] john_16: вот чисто вставить свои 5 копеек:
opneSUSE?
[15:30:34] alecs: скажи плиз что за баги
[15:30:48] cutwater: john_16: закопать туда откуда оно вылезло
[15:31:05] alecs: )))))))) я работал с suse 10.3 и плевался и матерился очень долго
[15:31:27] cutwater: alecs: ну они весьма специфичны. один связан с DNS запросами и IPv6
[15:31:43] alecs: ух ух ) откуда ты знаешь , может уже исправлен ? )
[15:31:46] alecs: пару - это мало
[15:31:50] alecs: :)
[15:32:17] cutwater: alecs: во-первых знаю так как это не баг а "фича" после обновления glibc если память не изменяет
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[15:32:30] cutwater: во-вторых он там был еще недавно когда арч я ставил
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[15:32:47] cutwater: ну и не только это. а так да арч практически идеален.
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[15:33:13] cutwater: но вот щас чтобы не заморачиваться сижу на убунте... так как ленивый стал
[15:34:03] alecs: )))))))
[15:34:26] alecs: а я наоборот ) душа жаждет перемен. Окей , ещё один сегодня посоветовал арч. Попробуем :)
[15:35:47] gigimon: арч?
[15:35:50] gigimon: gentoo тогда уж
[15:36:07] john_16: холивар какой то получается
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[15:38:27] cutwater: gigimon: генту гиморно
[15:38:34] cutwater: хотя я диплом сдал и никуда не спешу
[15:38:37] cutwater: но все равно лениво же
[15:39:06] cutwater: кстати нашел тут еще одну либу для xmpp называется sleekxmpp, вроде нормально так
[15:40:56] webninja: УБУНТУ
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[15:41:39] xa4a: нет, генту
[15:41:59] xa4a: вон. даже в Mac OS X - gentoo prefix
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[15:42:34] webninja: ПАЦАНЫ ДУХ СТАРОЙ ШКОЛЫ ЖИВЁТ ТОЛЬКО В УБУНТЕ ГДЕ ЕБАШАТСЯ ПО ХАРДКОРУ, ГДЕ ПАЦАНЫ ЖИВУТ ЭНЕРГИЕЙ, МОЛОДОСТЬЮ И ЕБУТ СИСТЕМУ В РОТ! ТОЛЬКО КАНОНИКАЛ, ТОЛЬКО ХАРДКОР!!! ЮНИТИ УЛЬТРАХАРДКОР УБУНТУ!!!
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[15:43:31] john_16: =) улыбнуло
[15:44:20] cutwater: зомг
[15:44:31] webninja: http://www.google.ru/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B8+%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0
[15:44:43] webninja: !g мытищи копипаста
[15:45:04] john_16: а вот теперь серьезный вопрос, кто нить юзал matplotlib и gjango... есть серьезная проблема, нужна помощь
[15:46:06] webninja: gjango?
[15:46:37] john_16: django...ссори 1л Salvatore в денб России дает о себе знать :)
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[15:51:13] xa4a: john_16: читай топик
[15:51:47] john_16: эт про гугл и тп? ну так там все о том же, или я вас не так понял?
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[15:52:54] xa4a: это про Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его!
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[15:59:31] john_16: пожалуй в таком случае я его задам чуть позже, а то появилась случайно идея
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[17:16:46] webninja: у кого WinXP? какая версия осла там стоит? :trollface:
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[17:34:01] webninja: да, сцуки бля
[17:34:05] webninja: поубивал бы
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[17:58:19] webninja: парни
[17:58:21] webninja: start_date = models.DateField(auto_now_add=True)
end_date = models.DateField(null=True)
[17:58:50] webninja: вот така загагулина. я хочу чтобы если енд дэйт пустой то пох. а он выдёт
Exception Type: IntegrityError Exception Value: stroymain_discounts.end_date may not be NULL
[17:59:14] xa4a: ты вписал null=True после генерации схемы, похоже
[17:59:35] xa4a: в базе колонка NOT NULL
[18:01:49] webninja: ого ты телепат ) так и было. но еще нужно было blank=True поставить
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[18:03:28] gigimon: хм
[18:04:17] gigimon: Note that empty string values will always get stored as empty strings, not as NULL. Only use null=True for non-string fields such as integers, booleans and dates. For both types of fields, you will also need to set blank=True if you wish to permit empty values in forms, as the null parameter only affects database storage (see blank).
[18:04:26] gigimon: зачем и бланк и нулл у поля?
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[18:21:12] wiz_: blank=True, default='whatever'
VS
blank=True, null=True
[18:22:03] _lorien: null=True поезен если надо поставить unique индекс на поле, если не делать поле null=True, то может быть только одно пустое поле
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[18:46:12] _lorien: В настоящий момент насчитывается более 300 дистрибутивов, прямо или косвенно использующих пакетную базу Debian. ого
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[19:09:58] Tony: а тут по верстке есть дохуя спецы?
[19:12:36] Tony: http://pix.academ.org/img/2011/06/12/96b3d1f26f2753db5670fb4ae82f1296.png как примерно вот так расположить дивы?
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[19:21:05] gigimon: даешь таблицы!
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[19:23:29] webninja: gigimon: чтобы дату не писать можно было. т.е. например акции - от и до. если как бы юзер затрудняется с временем окончания даты просто не вводит её а там дальше в шаблоне иф который если ей нет так же не выводит.
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[19:23:42] gigimon: default=''?
[19:23:53] webninja: хмммммм
[19:23:59] webninja: прям можно так ''?
[19:24:10] gigimon: ну, а почему нет?
[19:24:13] gigimon: ну может я неправ
[19:25:11] Tony: таблицей хуй получится
[19:26:42] xa4a: default='' - только для строк же
[19:26:46] xa4a: да и '' != Null
[19:27:27] webninja: tony а в чем проблема? у тебя смотри может как быть
[19:27:40] webninja: content_left и content_right
[19:27:51] Tony: через colspan?
[19:27:54] webninja: а в этих лефт и райт уже свои дивы разной длины
[19:27:55] Tony: rowspan т.е
[19:27:56] webninja: нет дивами
[19:28:04] webninja: нах таблицы, забудь про них уже
[19:28:07] webninja: -(
[19:28:09] webninja: =)
[19:28:09] Tony: а. понял.
[19:28:11] Tony: тупанул
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[19:28:20] Tony: тупо два дива с флоатами а внутри по вертикали еще 2
[19:28:25] webninja: т.е. каждую колонку обернуть дивом
[19:28:31] webninja: да
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[19:30:33] webninja: таблицами говорят тоже имеет смысл, иногда, внутри дива если сложно всё с расположением и куча мелких элементов.
[19:30:48] Tony: ну да. или если реально таблица у тебя.
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[19:38:06] _lorien: ебучий майл.ру, не могу человеку написать
[19:38:11] _lorien: меня за спам считают
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[20:02:33] webninja: чето не могу вкурить
[20:02:40] webninja: Implies setting Field.db_index <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/fields/#django.db.models.Field.db_index> to True.
[20:03:01] webninja: т.е. жанга для SlugField ставить db_index=True?
[20:03:09] xa4a: да
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[20:03:28] webninja: замечательно
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[20:13:54] webninja: жанга умная. даже если пишешь по-русски то слаг филд транслитируется )
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