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[00:03:38] mishok13_: xa4a, ну, все по разному начинают
[00:04:17] gigimon: смешная история про кидок работодателя)
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[00:04:37] cutwater: ну это же магистр
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[00:05:18] gigimon: только мне кажетя что дурак он?
[00:05:43] gigimon: и контора не шибко и кидала)
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[00:05:52] Typhon: магистр — дурак, начальнек — мудак, как-то так, наверное? %)
[00:06:38] cutwater: gigimon: о чем и речь =)
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[12:13:47] Tony: в 1.3 class based views сделали только generic?
[12:14:58] slav0nic: да
[12:15:14] slav0nic: и где-то писали что это не значит, что надо так делать со всеми вьюхами
[12:15:20] slav0nic: но в 1.4 возможно чёт поменяют
[12:15:34] Tony: ясно. я уж думал реальне все class-based.
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[14:02:24] the_nexor: о да неужели! Я думал по питону на сервере все анально огорожено
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[14:02:42] Dill__: да мля
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[14:03:27] ArtifTh: the_nexor, просто на ту конфу пару лет назад было, гм, нападение
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[14:03:48] the_nexor: То то они там все такие... пришибленные :D
[14:04:35] xa4a: что здесь происходит?
[14:04:37] xa4a: гос. переворот?
[14:04:55] ArtifTh: не, человек пытался войс в python@ получить
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[14:06:31] the_nexor: Рыба гниет с головы. Если администрация неадекватна, то такую конфу нужно гнать и презирать.
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[14:09:39] nexor: дайте мембера пожалуйста
[14:09:54] nexor: Сижу с гажима, он не кушает капчу
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[14:12:06] nmk: я кстати не понял где на python@ постить заявку на голос
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[14:12:26] nexor_: отличненько, спасибо
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[14:13:41] nexor: nmk, написано "в статусе". Чтобы весь КЛ видел.
[14:14:13] ArtifTh: если что, статус ставится индивидуально для каждого
[14:14:23] ArtifTh: и можно послать нужный презенс только в конфу
[14:14:59] nmk: ну я до такого чуда техники еще не дорос
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[14:15:45] nexor: оу, а вот нету в гажиме такой фичи - послать статус в конфу. Что-то я не вижу.
[14:16:36] nmk: хм. как-то без "статуса" меня пустили.
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[16:35:54] nmk: _lorien: чини dumpz :)
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[16:41:28] _lorien: фак, второй раз уже
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[16:44:53] _lorien: блин, ещё ничо не сделал, а уже заработало, супервизор чудит
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[17:19:47] slav0nic: кто fabric тыкал? чёт он сцука при коннекте сразу кидает команду и дисконнектится, а на HPUX после логина выводится длинная лицензия %) короче по ходу команда не успевает выполниться
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[17:27:10] _lorien: он должен дождаться конца команды
[17:27:16] _lorien: команда же выполняется после показа лицензии?
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[17:32:14] slav0nic: да я вмыкнул, он вообще в баш переходит и всё :p
[17:32:52] slav0nic: видимо из-за того, что в профайле прописано bash, а не как дефолтный шелл для юзера
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[17:39:28] _lorien: а кто-нить соображает как правильно настраивать в nginx proxy_buffers & proxy_buffer_size?
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[17:39:59] _lorien: у меня ошибко *434458 an upstream response is buffered to a temporary file тока не знаю, как правильно настроить proxy_buffers много маленьких буферов или немного больших
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[17:43:53] _lorien: ваще proxy_buffering нужно или его отлючить лучше нахер с uwsgi приложениями?
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[17:45:24] wiz: лучше не отключать имх
[17:45:40] wiz: к тому же на uwsgi это не должно действовать, не?
[17:45:46] wiz: он же не proxy_pass
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[17:46:24] _lorien: в uwsgi директивы uwsgi_buffers по аналогии с proxy_buffers только это не документировано нихрена
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[17:46:42] _lorien: я когда-то разобрался, а щас опять всё забыл, но хочу шобы в еррорлоге не было надписи что что-то там в файл кэшируется )
[17:47:30] _lorien: а, ну вообще логично, без буферизации бэкенд будет для медленного клиента долго отдавать данные :-/
[17:47:36] _lorien: так что нужна она
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[17:50:21] nmk: много маленьиких или немного больших зависит от размера ответа
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[17:53:08] _lorien: как это
[17:53:17] _lorien: я имел в виду, что в сумме и то и то одинаково будет
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[17:57:07] nmk: там надо что бы что-то влезало куда-то. я уже не помню ;)
[17:57:09] nmk: щас попытаюсь найти
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[17:57:49] _lorien: короче хз я поставил uwsgi_buffers 20 64k :D
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[17:58:50] _lorien: по крайней мере nginx заткнулся и больше не пишет в ерророл этих сообщений, я щас все дампы скачиваю с dumpz.org чтобы узнать, какой самый большой :)
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[18:02:53] rahs: привет всем
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[18:03:24] rahs: напомните пжалста кто-нибудь, в паттерне u"(?u)[^а-яА-Я0-9_]+" что означает (?u) ?
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[18:05:18] nmk: _lorien: ну вот помоему http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx/2011-April/026450.html
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[18:07:21] xa4a: rahs: похоже на фигню какую-то
[18:07:39] cutwater: xa4a: да ладно
[18:07:49] cutwater: (?iLmsux)

(One or more letters from the set 'i', 'L', 'm', 's', 'u', 'x'.) The group matches the empty string; the letters set the corresponding flags: re.I (ignore case), re.L (locale dependent), re.M (multi-line), re.S (dot matches all), re.U (Unicode dependent), and re.X (verbose), for the entire regular expression. (The flags are described in Module Contents.) This is useful if you wish to include the flags as part of the regular expression, instead of passing a flag argument to the re.compile() function.
[18:07:51] _lorien: nmk: в общем не очень понял, что там написано :) но в конце говорят "All of the above is actually
needed when the response is bigger than the available buffers" чего я избежал настроив боооольшой буфер
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[18:08:14] nmk: _lorien: ну ты помни только что этот буффер будет аллоцироваться на каждое _соединение_
[18:08:27] cutwater: rahs: ну ты понел
[18:08:36] _lorien: nmk: вот вопрос в этом, реально ли памяти столько выдялется, мне кажется нет
[18:08:45] xa4a: cutwater: опа.
[18:08:47] _lorien: я просто открыл топ, там как было 200 метров свободно, так и осталось
[18:08:57] _lorien: может она постепенно выдялется?
[18:09:10] xa4a: cutwater: но зачем??
[18:09:14] cutwater: хз
[18:09:19] nmk: _lorien: ну сделай буфер в 128 кб, с соседнего компа ab -c 100 :)
[18:09:39] cutwater: xa4a: вполне может быть для того чтобы часть регекспа сделать например ignorecase
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[18:09:50] xa4a: изнутри?
[18:09:51] _lorien: щас попробую, у меня буфер щас 640к :)
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[18:11:08] nmk: и замеряй не top а rss на nginxовых воркерах
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[18:11:50] _lorien: а можно как-то в выводе топ фильтровать nginx?
[18:12:35] nmk: ну он скорее всего от nobody запуещен, фильтруй по юзеру
[18:12:50] cutwater: xa4a: ну хрен знает. я щас тестить не буду
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[18:13:09] Darth Лис: _lorien: -p : Monitor PIDs as: -pN1 -pN2 ... or -pN1, N2 [,...]
[18:13:12] xa4a: тестить не надо. оно, вероятно работает
[18:13:36] _lorien: ага, по www-data можно фильтровать
[18:13:42] nmk: Darth Лис: хе. круто :)
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[18:15:22] cutwater: xa4a: работает но не так как я думал
[18:15:28] cutwater: оно работает так же как и флаги на весь регексп
[18:15:33] cutwater: зачем может понадобиться хз
[18:15:43] rahs: http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/052011/18/post/demotivator/2011.jpg
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[18:16:11] cutwater: боянище
[18:16:24] _lorien: nmk: вообще ничего в показаниях топ не меняется, смотрю колонку rss
[18:16:45] _lorien: проц до 40% загружается, видно. что-что-то происходит когда я ab включаю с соседнего дедика )
[18:16:46] nmk: так ты ответ подольше поотдавай. секуд 30
[18:17:06] nmk: и помедленней, если возможно
[18:17:50] nmk: limit_rate 1kb поставь :)
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[18:18:07] _lorien: а зачем мне отдавать ответ 30сек o_O начать хотя бы с того, что с какого хрена у меня приложение будет выдавать 30 секунд ответ? )
[18:19:02] _lorien: ща limit поставлю )
[18:19:31] nmk: _lorien: ты то можешь быстро отдать, клиент будет медленно его забирать
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[18:21:50] _lorien: nmk: если limit_rate поставить то один из nginxов разбух до 20 метрво, когда я через ab -c 100 запросил дамп с nginx
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[18:21:57] _lorien: тфьу с сервера
[18:22:23] nmk: а теперь уменьши буффер
[18:22:27] nmk: и погляди что будет в логе
[18:22:57] _lorien: ну я и так знаю что будет, шо мол там кэшируется ответ в файл
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[18:23:25] nmk: так ты поиграйся с размером буфера и кол-вом, посмотри лог и посмотри как разбухнет nginx
[18:24:49] _lorien: щас кстати все пользователи dumpz.org наслаждаются limit_rage 1k :)
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[18:25:20] _lorien: щас я лучше увеличу до 100k :)
[18:25:23] mishok13: limit_rage?
[18:25:32] mishok13: как можно ограничивать ярость?
[18:25:39] _lorien: ой, до 10м, размерз буфера
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[18:26:16] _lorien: да, когда ставишь limit_rate 1k, то лучше limit_rage указать ещё :)
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[18:27:42] _lorien: поставил буфер в 12 метров и запустил ab -c 100
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[18:28:37] _lorien: nmk: ну в общем под буферизацию выделятся не макс размер буфера а размер ответа, а то бы у меня щас гиг памяти бы отъелся у nginx :)
[18:29:30] nmk: нет, не так. выделяется один буффер размер которого указан, если мало, то наверное выделяется еще. соответсвенно лучше что бы ответ влезал в этот буффер, чем будет два буферы один полностью забит, во вотором 100 байт
[18:29:41] nmk: а
[18:29:45] nmk: ты буфер поставил в 12 метров
[18:29:46] nmk: хм.
[18:29:47] Darth Лис: https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#L1L350
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[18:30:35] mishok13: жостко
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[18:32:42] _lorien: да буфер 12 метров, лимит рэйт в 1кб и запустил ab -c 100 -n 100
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[18:34:38] _lorien: прикольный баг :D
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[18:59:09] _lorien: а скока у вас сайты без кэша выдают страниц в секунду?
[18:59:21] _lorien: у меня получилось 4 для дампза для ab -n 100 -c 100
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[19:00:49] nmk: _lorien: 4 запроса в секунду?
[19:00:54] _lorien: ага
[19:01:01] nmk: ты запросов побольше поставь
[19:01:09] nmk: типа 10000
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[19:01:23] nmk: а потом попробуй с -c 50
[19:01:28] _lorien: в смысле 4 ответа в секунду. а запросов 100 параллельных
[19:01:38] _lorien: ага, ладно, пойду съем хотдог и попробую )
[19:01:54] nmk: просто у тебя мало запросов для стольких потоков
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[19:52:00] _lorien: о, я нашёл мудака, который зарегал логин lorien на гитхабе, это был я ))) в 2008 году сделал и забыл
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[19:55:49] _lorien: я тут понял что readme.md это значит что маркдавн, а не что молдовия ))
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[20:10:22] _lorien: 3.8 запроса в секунду прогрызает dumpz.org
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[20:20:27] _lorien: если подключить кэш-middleware в базу данных, то 30 запросов
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[20:35:52] nmk: 250мс на запрос??
[20:35:55] nmk: это ж дохуя
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[20:40:12] xa4a: _lorien: сколько sql запросов на страницу?
[20:40:56] xa4a: ого! это ж дохрена!
[20:40:57] _lorien: давайте начнём с того, с какой скоростью ваши django-сайты работают
[20:40:59] xa4a: /me убежал
[20:41:20] _lorien: если отключить кэш
[20:41:52] _lorien: запросов, ну сколько там может быть запросов, достать дамп, сесси достать, парочка
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[20:42:17] xa4a: тоесть ты не профилировал количество запросов?
[20:42:21] xa4a: то есть*
[20:42:54] xa4a: добавь select_related()
[20:43:08] xa4a: /me telepat_mode off и таки ушёл
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[20:43:40] _lorien: какой нахуй select_related
[20:44:02] _lorien: не надо телепатии, спасибо )
[20:44:24] огыешсук: Зачем кеши отключать? Лучше тормозную базу данных отключить и держать всё в кеше.
[20:45:25] d1ffuz0r: хм, а джанга то тормозная оказывается http://fw.pysi.org/benchmarks/
[20:45:32] _lorien: ну просто чтобы сравнить голую производительнсоть
[20:45:53] огыешсук: нет никакой голой производительности
[20:45:59] _lorien: а то конечно легко орать вот мол у тебя джанга тупая, ну так покажите у кого быстрая, сколько у вас запросов без кэша
[20:46:16] _lorien: я так назвал производительность без кэша
[20:46:28] _lorien: потяно если запихать всю страницу то она сильно вырастает, у меня в 10 раз
[20:46:29] огыешсук: мой wordcloud.pagemon.net вообще базу данных не аффектит, например. Только кеши.
[20:46:42] _lorien: хотя 30 запросов тоже смешно, медленно
[20:46:48] _lorien: для одного запроса в бд
[20:47:28] _lorien: но вообще 30 запросов конкретно для dumpz это дофига, там 100-200 хостов в день
[20:48:26] _lorien: у меня в dumpz был прикол, всё жутко тупило, выяснилось, что я каждый раз там как-то хитро бегаю по лексерам из pygments и это очень много жрёт процессора
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[20:50:28] огыешсук: Зачем серверный pygments когда можно юзать client-side Сагалаева?
[20:50:48] _lorien: он не знает того, что знает pygments
[20:51:13] _lorien: да и вообще на pygments уже всё работает, начинаю хуй знает с какого года )
[20:51:24] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/1/ июль 2007 :)
[20:52:25] _lorien: кроме того, highlightjs не умеет генерить html для вставки в блоги, прчём разный html, у меня естьв ариант специально для хабра
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