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[12:59:28] nmk: а кто-нибудь с goodline, sim travel или global sim ездил куда-нибудь?
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[13:24:37] gigimon: nmk: goodline у отца
[13:24:53] gigimon: турция, италия, франция, греция - ок
[13:25:09] nmk: "глючит" или нет? т.е. бывает такое, что он в сети, а дозвониться не получается?
[13:25:16] gigimon: нет
[13:25:28] gigimon: иногда бывает что он не может позвонить, ему не перезванивает система
[13:25:35] gigimon: а вот входящие работают
[13:25:50] nmk: я тоже смотрю на гудлайн. там и переадрессация есть с моего номера (т.е. я могу это и через sipnet сделать, но с гимором), и возможность показать где я есть на карте (что бы там родители видели)
[13:26:04] gigimon: о
[13:26:06] gigimon: про карут незнал)
[13:26:10] gigimon: надо будет посмотреть
[13:26:15] nmk: 1.5 за 100 запросов
[13:26:19] nmk: 1.5$
[13:26:22] gigimon: ну эт мало
[13:26:26] nmk: ну да
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[13:34:34] nmk: gigimon: только что-то дешевле купить карту с 1$+3$ в подарок + добить туда сколько надо денег, чем с 10$+3$ в подарок
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[13:35:16] gigimon: а незнаю, я года 3 назад покупал ее
[13:35:28] gigimon: тогда только карта за 10 баксов была
[13:35:52] nmk: ясн. ну, куплю гудлайн. попробую чего как. :)
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[14:42:59] ink08: Добрый день, питонеры... начинаю потихоньку вступать в ваши ряды, гляньте код http://89.208.82.20/bash.py , вроде работает, но если внутри <div></div> встречается <br>, то отбрасывает часть после <br>, что делаю не так?
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[14:43:25] ink08: вывод кода http://89.208.82.20/cgi-bin/bash.py
PS: баш.орг взят для примера
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[14:44:38] ink08: например цитата http://bash.org.ru/quote/411867 берется не полностью
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[14:47:51] ink08: http://fpaste.org/GOa6/ - вот конкретный пример
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[14:49:33] ink08: мой текст видно?
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[14:51:45] ink08: ping
[14:51:47] ink08: !ping
[14:51:49] ink08: !p
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[14:52:48] Typhon: да
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[14:53:55] ink08: Typhon: гляньте плз пример http://fpaste.org/GOa6/ , берется не весь текст
[14:54:24] ink08: Typhon: подскажите в какую сторону копать, чтобы брался весь текст
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[14:57:04] Typhon: xpath — no way! %)
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[15:00:48] cutwater: господа. у меня вопрос.
[15:01:45] cutwater: есть модель sqlalchemy с полем Pickle / Json. Суть проблемы в том, что поле не апдейтится, если изменяется какое-то поле этого объекта. Проблема решается только через deepcopy на данный момент.
[15:02:06] cutwater: Есть ли в sqlalchemy способ указать что это поле надо апдейтить или еще какой способ решения проблемы
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[15:05:12] xa4a: ink08: читать мат. часть про представление xml-документов в виде дерева. про текстовые узлы
[15:05:46] cutwater: xa4a: может по моей проблеме что подскажешь. гугл в этом плане как-то кисло работает.
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[15:06:42] ink08: xa4a: спасибо, а можно поподробнее
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[15:09:06] xa4a: cutwater: нет, с sqla не работал
[15:09:33] xa4a: ink08: текстовые ноды, между которыми есть другие ноды - например <br /> - разные
[15:09:41] xa4a: .text, видимо, выбирает первую только
[15:10:31] d1ffuz0r: ink08: а не проще регекспом вытаскивать?
[15:11:15] _lorien: в lxml нет текстовых нод
[15:11:20] _lorien: там есть аттрибуты .text и .tail у нод-тэгов
[15:11:22] cutwater: xa4a: ты не поверишь. я кажется уже нашел решение
[15:11:24] cutwater: xD
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[15:18:28] mr.oduvan: чем лучше всего архивить логи?
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[15:18:51] mr.oduvan: чтоб была хорошая скорость архивирования
[15:18:54] mr.oduvan: подскажите?
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[15:19:19] slav0nic: gzip как бы всех устраивает
[15:19:28] slav0nic: а зачем тебе скорость в архивировании логов?)
[15:19:54] slav0nic: ща xz из архиваторов вроде рулит, но лучше взять и проверить на твоих логах, что лучше и быстрее запакует
[15:20:32] mr.oduvan: ну логи архивятся на продакшен сервере
[15:20:57] mr.oduvan: мне лучше бы, чтоб ему по меньше проц гонять
[15:21:13] mr.oduvan: но место подубрать, понимаешь?
[15:21:14] ink08: d1ffuz0r: regex-ом получилось, хотел освоить xpath
[15:21:29] d1ffuz0r: понятно
[15:21:30] slav0nic: по-моему мисье страдает хуйнёй) или у тебя там терабайты логов?
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[15:21:53] mr.oduvan: сегодня понедельник, Сер
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[15:22:08] slav0nic: я ниразу не замечал проблем со штатными системами ротации логов в плане всплешков по цпу и тп
[15:22:12] mr.oduvan: день оФсянки и всякой хуйни
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[15:22:25] slav0nic: темболее если утебя сервер многоядерный и у gzip съест 15-30% 1 ядра то никто не умрёт
[15:22:32] slav0nic: и немного io на дисках
[15:22:38] ink08: _lorien: а вожможно взять весь текст, в котором будут встречаться html теги ?
[15:22:43] mr.oduvan: вот
[15:22:52] mr.oduvan: это хорошо
[15:22:59] mr.oduvan: жзип
[15:23:04] mr.oduvan: меня устроит я думаю
[15:23:10] mr.oduvan: ща буду мутить
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[15:23:13] mr.oduvan: Спасибо
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[15:23:25] slav0nic: пожалуйста, что за манера велосипедить) возьми штатный лог ротатор
[15:23:47] mr.oduvan: понедельник день велосипедного спорта
[15:23:58] slav0nic: ну удачи)
[15:24:01] mr.oduvan: о каком ротаторе речь, тыкни лицом в ман
[15:24:06] mr.oduvan: :)
[15:24:18] xa4a: logrotate
[15:24:27] slav0nic: man logrotate
[15:24:47] slav0nic: твоё поделие врядли сделает мир лучше
[15:24:50] _lorien: ink08: да, у любой ноды есть метод .text_content() который вернёт весь внутренний текст, в том числе из вложенных нод
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[15:29:10] ink08: _lorien: AttributeError: 'lxml.etree._Element' object has no attribute 'text_content'
[15:29:38] mr.oduvan: ну что вы за убийци вдохновения
[15:29:39] ink08: .tail дает пустоту
[15:29:50] mr.oduvan: теперь весь понедельник буду маятся без дела
[15:30:21] xa4a: mr.oduvan: займись чем-то полезным
[15:30:33] Tony: например девушку заведи
[15:30:43] Tony: нажрись как свинья. дай пизды гопникам.
[15:30:47] Tony: кстати так даже заработать можно
[15:30:57] mr.oduvan: Tony, жена может растроится
[15:31:10] xa4a: растроиться?
[15:32:15] xa4a: или всё-таки расстроиться?
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[15:32:26] mr.oduvan: xa4a, да, представляей, прихожу вечерм домой и говорю: - Дорогая, мне тут показали logrotate, так что я познакомится с девушкой. Это Люся, она будет жить с нами
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[15:33:18] Tony: а еще я нажрался яги, отжал мобилы у двух гопников и толкнул их ашоту с вокзала по 500 р.
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[15:34:10] mr.oduvan: вот так, не дали повелосипедить в понеделтник и жисть пошла под откос
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[15:34:37] Tony: вообще у меня последней каплей было когда один из девелоперов на старой работе не знал что такое логротейт.
[15:34:43] Tony: я долго матерился. а потом его уволили
[15:34:59] mr.oduvan: )))
[15:35:15] mr.oduvan: "на старой работе" - "потом его уволили" - это ты был чтоли?
[15:35:28] Tony: нет. я щас там на пол ставки только
[15:35:38] mr.oduvan: да я шучу
[15:35:47] mr.oduvan: просто цепочка такая
[15:36:27] mr.oduvan: надо нарисовать плакат
[15:36:46] mr.oduvan: "А за не знание каких юник команд увольняют у Вас?"
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[15:37:54] _lorien: ink08: возможно это у элементов, которые чезе lxml.html были сделаны
[15:37:58] mr.oduvan: прием на работу программиста: - первый вопрос, Fedora 4.3 все команды на L, время пошло...
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[15:40:56] Tony: не там вообще чувак был странный.
[15:42:12] Tony: ему допустим даешь таск. надо исправить list ['хуй', 'пизда', 'джигурда'] на ['крокодил', 'залупа', 'сыр', 'жопа'] а чувак пишет 2 класса 3 модуля 1 конфиг 2 генератора, и это все еще и не работает. его спрашиваешь: А НАХУЯ???, он отвечает: я думал так лучше будет.
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[15:47:44] mr.oduvan: ))))
[15:48:04] mr.oduvan: а потом как узнали, что он не знает, что такое логротейт - уволили нах!
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[15:51:23] Tony: нет. он охуительно документацию писал.
[15:51:36] Tony: прям подробно все. когда говоришь ему: КОД ТРОНЕШ УЕБУ БЛЯДЬ!
[15:51:54] Tony: прям докстринги все, очень творчески писал, документацию на проект.
[15:51:59] Tony: а потом заебал и уволили
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[15:53:37] mr.oduvan: - Поздравляю, по итогам собеседования вы стали нашим новым девелопером. Добро пожаловать в команду. Правда у нас есть одно не писаное правило: "КОД ТРОНЕШ УЕБУ БЛЯДЬ!"
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[15:55:23] mr.oduvan: кстати, до меня только щас дошло
[15:55:44] mr.oduvan: что я не знаю, как исправить ['хуй', 'пизда', 'джигурда'] на ['крокодил', 'залупа', 'сыр', 'жопа']
[15:56:06] Tony: хардкод тупо поменять
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[15:56:21] mr.oduvan: 3 против 4
[15:56:45] mr.oduvan: зря пацана поперли
[15:56:49] mr.oduvan: )))
[15:57:00] Tony: грубо говоря как в INSTALLED_APPS ты добавляешь новое приложение
[15:57:03] Tony: (в django)
[15:57:08] xa4a: что 3 против 4? это ж не тупл
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[15:57:29] mr.oduvan: да, ты прав.
[15:57:43] Tony: mr.oduvan, в пятницу трудовую заберешь.
[15:58:02] mr.oduvan: не понял?
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[16:12:19] denplis: кто-то работал с django app engine ?
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[16:13:08] denplis: знаю
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[16:14:49] denplis: может кто-то имел с этим дело
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[16:36:24] Trec: вывожу дату так - <pubDate>{{ rs.published|date:"r" }}</pubDate>
получаю - Пнд, 30 Май 2011 11:05:00 +0300
а как сделать чтобы не русскими было, а на англиском выводилась дата?
[16:37:06] xa4a: локаль настроить
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[16:37:48] Trec: это нужно в одном месте чтобы англискими выодило
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[16:40:20] Trec: так что нельзя указать как-то в этом месте чтобы выводило нормально?
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[17:04:06] ink08: _lorien: получилось через text_content() получить текст, вот только тег <br> отбросился, можно как-нибудь вместе с тегами получить текст?
ps: http://89.208.82.20/bash.py
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[17:09:35] xa4a: пшп в моих pythonua!11
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[17:13:44] cutwater: xa4a: тащем хранение сложных сериализуемых полей в sqlalchemy как показывает практика очень геморно
[17:14:27] nmk: а никто не помнит как назывался какой-то, вроде фреймворк для парсинга бинарных файлов? там еще png был для примера
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[17:20:13] Typhon: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/hachoir-parser гуглопоиском, оно? %)
[17:21:31] nmk: да не. не похоже.
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[17:24:09] nmk: Typhon: хотя. может и оно, только обросло уже ;)
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[17:26:37] nmk: не. все же что-то не то ;)
[17:26:41] nmk: но тоже ничего :)
[17:26:43] nmk: Typhon: спасибо :)
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[17:32:35] Typhon: :-)
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[18:43:04] clicker89: привет всем
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[18:44:21] clicker89: пишу icq бот на twisted, при попытке загрузить инфо о юзере выдаёт следуещее
Unhandled error in Deferred:
Unhandled Error
Traceback (most recent call last):
Failure: __builtin__.list: [2, 1, 0, 0, 20, '\x00\x04']
[18:44:34] clicker89: что бы это значило?
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[18:50:26] guskuskudu: народ патерн в регулярке 1950 симолов сильно плохо для производительности?
[18:51:08] cutwater: ну с учетом того сколько занимает регулярка для правильной валидации e-mail
[18:51:24] cutwater: guskuskudu: а зачем тебе такая? проверь сам по скорости, узнаешь.
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[18:53:13] Trec: Возможно ли в фильтре изменять LANGUAGE_CODE чтобы вернулось значание по новой настроке?
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[18:53:37] guskuskudu: cutwater: да есть необходимость, строка порядка ста-двести слов обвешана с двух сторон конструкцией (?<![\w\.]) вот и получил такого монстра
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[18:54:22] xa4a: guskuskudu: %timeit же
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[18:55:05] cutwater: я все же выскажусь
[18:55:16] cutwater: хранить pickle, json в sqlalchemy зло
[18:55:47] cutwater: так как ф-ция решающая проблему кое-как появилась только в 0.7.0, то используем deepcopy для того, чтобы объяснить что мы объект изменили
[18:56:35] guskuskudu: xa4a: хотел узнать просто так ли страшно такие регулярки мб надо думать что то другое
[18:56:53] cutwater: guskuskudu: ну ты проверь по скорости и узнаешь
[18:57:23] xa4a: guskuskudu: если ты знаешь, что оно делает, и если оно делает это быстрее/красивее, чем без них, то ок
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[19:04:10] clicker89: пишу icq бот на twisted, при попытке загрузить инфо о юзере выдаёт следуещее
Unhandled error in Deferred:
Unhandled Error
Traceback (most recent call last):
Failure: __builtin__.list: [2, 1, 0, 0, 20, '\x00\x04']
как это можно обойти?
[19:04:46] cutwater: clicker89: зайка если тебе не отвечают, это не значит что надо по N раз повторять вопрос.
[19:06:23] clicker89: cutwater: спасибо за совет
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[19:43:12] Treq: Парни, подскажите, что лучше использовать для взаимодействия между двумя программами на питоне. Спасибо
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[19:43:28] cutwater: Treq: ну
[19:43:33] cutwater: это очень абстрактный вопрос
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[19:44:04] Treq: нужно, чтобы функции однонй программы были доступны другой
[19:44:17] cutwater: Treq: RPC ?
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[19:45:37] Treq: ну да, а что по производительности лучше, soap или xmlrpc?
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[19:46:00] Treq: или, может, ещё что-то лучше есть?
[19:46:04] cutwater: Treq: а это разве не почти одно и тоже?
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[19:47:43] Treq: хорошо. допустим, мне понравился xmlrpc. есть что-то лучше него?
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[19:48:05] Tony: rest
[19:48:06] cutwater: Treq: по каким критериям?
[19:48:09] cutwater: Tony: NO WAY
[19:48:14] Tony: TRUE WAY
[19:48:30] cutwater: Tony: нет серьезно. вопрос сферичен.
[19:48:36] cutwater: REST хорошо там где он нужен.
[19:48:45] Treq: cutwater: быстрота-производительность
[19:48:45] cutwater: можно IPC строить вообще через shared memory
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[19:49:18] огыешсук: что-то кроме реста разве ещё живое?
[19:49:18] cutwater: можно еще и amqp прикрутить
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[19:49:34] cutwater: огыешсук: эм... xml-rpc не?
[19:49:38] Tony: cutwater, ну а у меня в последнее время все больше складывается впечатление что xmlrpc просто не нужне. почти все что может xmlrpc покрывает rest и даже чуть больше. а xmlrpc ведь даже в типизацию нормально не может.
[19:49:58] cutwater: Tony: а rest может?
[19:50:35] Tony: так и rest не может. и зачем тогда мучать жопу xmlrpc?
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[19:50:47] cutwater: охуенный комментарий.
[19:51:02] nmk: Tony: тем что под xmlrpc уже все написано
[19:51:07] Treq: Вот, например, смотрите: по xmlrpc я не могу передать класс (ну, это логично). Есть какая-нибудь реализация, которая давала-бы ссылку на класс, и если-бы требовалось с ним что-то сделать, делала бы это на стороне сервера, и отдавала результат?
[19:51:16] xa4a: Pyro
[19:51:38] cutwater: Treq: эм... xml-rpc это не чисто питон онли протокол
[19:51:42] огыешсук: cutwater: в жизни только рест сейчас пользуют. Ну, ещё майкрософт везде своё грёбаный и ни с чем не совместимый (кроме .net) SOAP пихает, то и то уже REST поддерживать начал почти везде.
[19:51:42] cutwater: так что это логично что не можешь
[19:51:47] Treq: я понимаю
[19:52:02] Treq: я и спрашиваю, готовых решений для задачи выше нет?
[19:52:07] xa4a: Pyro
[19:52:22] xa4a: !g python remote objects
[19:52:24] Tony: banana
[19:52:25] cutwater: огыешсук: я никоим образом не принижаю REST. однако ты не поверишь насколько разнообразны вещи, которые в жизни сейчас используют.
[19:52:34] cutwater: а за pyro спасибо
[19:52:36] Tony: foolscap || twisted.pb
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[19:52:50] Tony: nmk, что конкретно написано под xmlrpc?
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[19:53:15] nmk: Tony: SimpleXMLRPCServer
[19:53:18] cutwater: xD
[19:53:22] огыешсук: cutwater: я где-то на днях статистику видел. И рест там самый-самый. Остальные уже подзабыты и только старички, бывало, что-то из экзотики вроде soap или xmlrpc пользуют.
[19:53:27] Treq: во, pyro что-то интересное
[19:53:33] nmk: Tony: и xmlrpclib.ServerProxy
[19:53:34] Treq: спасибо, сейчас посмотрим
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[19:53:59] Tony: nmk, ты это юзал хоть раз для чего-то серьезней эксперемента?
[19:53:59] cutwater: огыешсук: статистика разная бывает, непонятно пока что в той статистике считали.
[19:54:10] nmk: Tony: я да. а ты?
[19:54:13] cutwater: мы кстати в проекте тоже используем REST
[19:54:21] огыешсук: cutwater: так ты ту картинку тоже видел?
[19:54:24] Tony: nmk, никогда. все что юзал это xmlrpc из twisted.web
[19:54:39] xa4a: /me пылесосом управлял через Pyro. он сосёт
[19:54:53] cutwater: :-D
[19:55:17] nmk: xa4a: еще ж corba какая-нибудь есть
[19:55:27] xa4a: !g python corba
[19:55:35] xa4a: похоже нет
[19:56:13] xa4a: а, может и есть.
[19:56:14] nmk: omniORB is a robust high performance CORBA ORB for C++ and Python.
[19:56:20] nmk: эт гугл мне сказал
[19:56:26] cutwater: вспомнили труп еще один
[19:56:27] Treq: The server creates one or more instances of the 'testclass', and registers them with the Pyro Naming Service. --- вот это не нравится, оно не может уже готовую инстанцию класса расшарить?
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[19:57:13] Treq: вообще-бы что нибудь глобальное, будто две программы - одна!!!
[19:57:24] Treq: с одной памятью
[19:57:46] nmk: хахаха
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[19:57:58] cutwater: Treq: shared memory не?
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[19:57:58] xa4a: пикли в трубу
[19:58:10] nmk: Treq: и что бы добавляешь 10 машин и все в 10 раз быстрее, да?
[19:58:20] xa4a: эрланк?
[19:59:27] xa4a: есть реализации эрланжьих нод на питоне, емнип
[20:01:04] Treq: http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html#multiprocessing.Process -- я правильно понимаю, что это тоже, что и треды, только процессами?
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[20:04:10] Treq: если да, то отлично, но как придётся демонизировать программу?
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[20:05:51] cutwater: э... а в чем проблема?
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[20:07:37] Treq: ну, три процесса, три pid'a
[20:07:41] Treq: допустим
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[20:08:19] Treq: Или даже задам вопрос так: если программы на одной машине, что лучше использовать: multiprocessing или xmlrpc?
[20:08:30] cutwater: в зависимости от задач имхо
[20:08:36] cutwater: это все же несколько разные вещи
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[20:10:54] Treq: пишу сайт взаимодействующий с icq и jabber ботом, изначально писал так, чтобы сайт и коннекты с серверами выполнялись в тредах, потом понял, что это не хорошо, и надо бы в каждом процессе это делать, переписал это на xmlrpc, сейчас увидел multiprocessing, понял, что это удобнее, но как производительнее?
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[20:11:48] cutwater: >> потом понял, что это не хорошо
интересно чем же?
[20:12:16] Treq: нагрузка достаточно большая на все три потока
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[20:12:31] Treq: по процессу на каждый мне кажется лучше
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[20:13:23] cutwater: Treq: то есть ты вполне обоснованно столкнулся с ситуацией, где потоки тебя не удовлетворяют?
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[20:14:37] Treq: cutwater: нет, но я не хочу с ней столкнуться
[20:14:50] cutwater: кто-нибудь объясните ему
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[20:15:39] Treq: ответьте на вопрос, что лучше, multiprocessing или xmlrpc, если есть возможность сделать и так и так
[20:15:57] Treq: больше ничего не прошу, последний вопрос
[20:16:03] cutwater: Treq: ответ банален до жути. они для разных задач.
[20:16:45] Treq: cutwater: еси программа работала в тредах, она может работать на multiprocessing, правильно?
[20:16:51] cutwater: теоретически да
[20:17:04] Treq: а практически?
[20:17:11] cutwater: попробуешь, расскажешь
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[20:18:04] nexor: у тредов больше общих ресурсов нежели у соседних процессов
[20:18:07] Treq: задача такая: раньше из одного треда, вызывалась функция из второго, сейчас такое получится, или память всё-таки разная для всех процессов созданых через multiprocessing
[20:18:38] nexor: разная
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[20:20:03] Treq: плохо
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[20:22:01] nexor: >>> сейчас увидел multiprocessing, понял, что это удобнее,
выходит что не удобнее =)
[20:22:31] cutwater: весьма сомнительно понимание автора об удобстве и потребностях.
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[20:40:10] Treq: всё, я понял. проверил просто: попробовал перед коннектом джаббер-бота создать процесс, который ждёт, когда бот подключится, и отправляет сообщение. статус подключения в переменной, в процессе с ботом переменная обновилась, в процессе с ожидание подключения - нет. для межпроцессорного взаимодействия multiprocessing не подходит
[20:41:42] cutwater: мдэ
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[20:43:10] cutwater: Treq: документацию читать религия не позволяет?
[20:43:50] cutwater: или тебе нужно убер решение, которое сделает песдато примерно одной строчкой?
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[22:25:30] mikelsv: есть увлекающиеся написанием модулей на С++ для питона? пытаюсь разобраться, как это правильно сделать.
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[23:29:51] cutwater: МИКЕЛЬ ВСЕ В МАШИНУ
[23:30:30] cutwater: mikelsv: кто же тебя сюда впустил? я то надеялся что ты до чистого и прекрасного питона никогда не дойдешь. а теперь и питон испоганишь.
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