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[00:05:53] xa4a: NTAngel: почему не лист?
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[00:10:19] NTAngel: Насколько я понимаю кесарю кесарево, а божие богу. Т.е. если создавался bytearray как мутабл интегеров в нужном диапазоне, то дизайнеры питона отлично понимали что это можно сделать и с помощью листа. Но раз все-таки сделали, значит имеет смысл. )
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[00:15:21] Typhon: NTAngel, x = x[:N]
[00:15:57] NTAngel: и каждый элемент точно будет в промежутке 0 до 255 ?
[00:15:59] Typhon: для уменьшения. для увеличения -- x.extend(...)
[00:16:42] NTAngel: я еще только перехожу на питон, как правило на С++ и С, ассемблер. Поэтому во многом еще приходится ломать "мышление" ;)
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[00:18:23] Typhon: ну а если хочешь ресайзить, не задумываясь о том, уменьшение это или нет, напиши функцию :-)
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[00:19:57] NTAngel: Typhon: ты написал формулу ))) в самом начале, а основывал код на уже имеющемся x . можешь чуть раскрыть его?
[00:20:59] Typhon: x = bytearray([0] * 10) например
[00:21:47] NTAngel: может ** ?
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[00:22:53] Typhon: да не, ** -- это возведение в степень же. а [0] * 3 == [0, 0, 0]
[00:22:56] NTAngel: len(x) при твоем коде равен 0
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[00:23:43] Typhon: >>> x = bytearray([0] * 10)
>>> len(x)
10
[00:23:54] NTAngel: шо за магия )))
[00:24:48] NTAngel: да, так как ты и написал. чтото пока в синтаксис не воткнул
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[00:25:23] Typhon: x = bytearray([0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]) -- если умножение смущает
[00:25:26] NTAngel: а понял )
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[00:26:14] NTAngel: это переопределенная операция * для байтов, приводящая к повторому созданию очередного байта, пока N > 0
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[00:27:12] Typhon: для списков только
[00:27:22] Typhon: сначала вычисляется [0] * 10
[00:27:35] Typhon: а потом создаётся объект типа bytearray.
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[00:27:45] Typhon: инициализированный списком из десяти нулей
[00:28:00] NTAngel: а могу ли щас к этому массиву байт обратиться скажем как dword начинающийся с позиции x[5] ?
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[00:28:48] NTAngel: на С++ это так:
a = *(dword * ) ( &x[5] );
[00:29:20] Typhon: и именно поэтому он должен умереть ^___^
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[00:29:51] NTAngel: самый улетный язык после ассемблера )
[00:30:07] NTAngel: Разве брутфорсер хороший на питоне напишешь? )
[00:30:17] Typhon: bytearray -- это байтаррэй, массив байт.
[00:30:32] Typhon: numpy + cython, например
[00:30:44] Typhon: недавно блогопсто было
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[00:30:58] Typhon: хочешь массив "двордов" -- бери список интов, например
[00:31:05] NTAngel: а если я сделаю так:
a = x[5:5+4]

?
[00:32:07] NTAngel: после x[5:5+4] = 0x1234 он жутко увеличился )
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[00:32:16] Typhon: получишь slice, срез байтаррэя, ещё один массив байт, только из четырёх элементов ( если там в x хватит элементов, конечно)
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[00:35:09] NTAngel: а интерпретировать этот массив 4х байтов как dword нельзя?
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[00:36:00] Typhon: смотря что ты понимаешь под "интерпретировать" ;-)
[00:36:49] NTAngel: ну значит взять с 5-го байта dword в другую переменную скажем за-xor-ить и положить обратно по тему же 5-му байту )
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[00:37:19] Сволота: хм, я кажись тут с этим JID-ом не был :-/
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[00:37:53] NTAngel: в гугле скрипты показывают что нужно юзать str и struct.pack\struct.unpack но чето мне кажется это было под 2-кой и под 3-ку можно лучше, я прав?
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[00:43:25] Typhon: в третьем будешь использовать bytes %) или memoryview. можешь написать свой класс какой-то, который будет оборачивать bytearray и делать нужные конверсии. http://www.dabeaz.com/talks.html в ч-ти http://www.dabeaz.com/python3io
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[00:45:27] xa4a: Может гостю из с++ стоит сразу сказать, что [0]*10, или [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0] - это не массив байт, а линкед-лист?
[00:45:48] NTAngel: Круто memoryview это вроде как то что мне надо, спасибо )
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[00:46:09] Typhon: а я вроде сказал, что это список
[00:46:37] Typhon: (ну, он унутре ж не совсем линкед лист ^____^ )
[00:47:05] xa4a: нуачо он вопросы задаёт глупые)
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[00:47:29] NTAngel: xa4a: глупые? по-аккуратней!
[00:47:30] xa4a: *неуместные
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[00:48:02] NTAngel: xa4a: если чел только второй день сидит на языке, это еще не значит что его вопросы глупы, вот если пол-года....
[00:48:08] xa4a: то, что ты хочешь, вероятно, - это использовать struct
[00:48:32] xa4a: чтобы интерпретировать байтстринги как в голову взбредёт
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[00:48:43] NTAngel: xa4a: прореверсил, жутко тормозная реализация. По крайней мере GDB, WinDBG меня в этом убеждают
[00:49:04] xa4a: кого прореверсил?
[00:49:10] Typhon: питон
[00:49:11] Typhon: %)
[00:49:21] Typhon: cpython жутко тормозная реализация :D
[00:49:40] NTAngel: потому что в сорцах портов под фриху сам ногу сломит,проще дебагер запустить )
[00:50:27] xa4a: сорцы питона, которые кросплатформенные и независимые от портов фряхи, вполне себе читаемые
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[00:51:12] Typhon: http://hg.python.org/cpython/src если память не врёт
[00:51:24] NTAngel: прежде чем найдешь ответ задолбаешься грепать ( проще поставить бряку в GDB
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[00:53:43] xa4a: тоже бывает полезный скилл, да
[00:54:53] NTAngel: Да я с детства не любил чужой исходный код. А тот что еще написан не в едином стиле, читай не выдержан стилевой стандарт хоть какой-нить, такой вообще отказываюсь читать.
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[00:57:36] Сволота: отрефакторил, потом читаешь, делов то...
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[00:59:07] NTAngel: и че пол-рабочего дня рефакторить? Есть задачи важнее тех. задач, к примеру внедрение новых бизнес-фич, ведь клиенту до рефакторинга пофиг, а тебе кушать надо, следовательно в очередной раз по приоритету рефакторинг уходит в зад )
[01:00:03] Сволота: тогда и не жалуйся
[01:00:52] NTAngel: да я и не жалуюсь это ты чтото про рефакторинг завел )
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[01:01:30] Сволота: после него фичи добавлять быстрее и приятней :)
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[01:07:21] Сволота: я вот подумал, а возможна ли многократная смена типа объекта после его создания?
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[01:08:30] NTAngel: http://xp-dev.com/sc/browse/27913//practica2/src/practica2/stanley_es.py я в ахуе (
[01:08:32] Typhon: а однократная? ^_^
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[01:10:24] Сволота: если просто присвоить поле __class__ это сработает?
[01:10:28] NTAngel: нету банального switch-case !!! Который реально делает код наглядней, делает его более структурированным. Нет же пишут if-elif это ж ахренеть!
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[01:11:24] Сволота: switch-case не нужен, есть лямбды в словаре
[01:11:38] NTAngel: точнее!
[01:11:52] xa4a: switch-case, лямбды в словаре.. кто все эти люди??7!11
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[01:12:36] NTAngel: это лямбды то код упрощают? после полу-годовалого срока жизни, код ни в какие ворота не лезет, автора кроме как "уволить" больше ничего не спасет
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[01:12:53] gigimon: а в чем преимущество switch-case перед if elif?
[01:13:01] Сволота: лямбды надо уметь готовить
[01:13:29] xa4a: сегодняшний день подарил нам одного толстого и одного тонкого
[01:13:40] Сволота: в питоне их годно не приготовишь :(
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[01:13:52] gigimon: а годно где?
[01:13:56] NTAngel: Ну 1) оптимизатор по эффектиности выполнения код лучше строит 2) код выполнения лучше предсказывается процессором, как вывод меньше кэш-промахов
[01:14:03] Сволота: потому я полностью перелез на JS :)
[01:14:08] gigimon: брр
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[01:18:34] xa4a: NTAngel: в cpython нет ни оптимизатора, ни предсказывания кода процессором. твои аргументы неуместны
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[01:18:55] xa4a: или я что-то уже проспал?
[01:19:57] Сволота: субботу в киеве какая-то тусовка намечена, меня туда пригласили, кто есчё идёт?
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[01:24:13] Tony: пиздец. никогда не юзайте google app engine
[01:24:40] NTAngel: всем спасибо, особенно за memview. пока
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[10:02:52] wiz_: попробуй использовать просто vim, без всяких плагинов на жабе (=
[10:04:14] _lorien: ну всё же надо попробовать pycharm, вдруг понравится
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[10:06:16] _lorien: гугл помог мне, нужно после увтановки плагина тыцнуть на tools -> vim emulyator
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[10:48:51] slav0nic: euro2012.gov.ua гыгы) гляньте в код
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[10:53:43] dicos: украли пароль от фтп. У меня раз такое было
[10:54:18] Tony: это сайт концу света посвященный?
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[13:02:08] Tony: объясните мне. че все в присядку дрочат на tornado?
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[13:31:01] Tony: кароче ненужная хрень этот ваш торнадо
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[13:55:46] _lorien: Tony: а ты стемминг настраивал как-то в haystack?
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[14:16:58] _lorien: бля, не пойму, как юзать python-xapian внутри virtualenv --no-site-packages, питон пакета нету
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[14:17:55] slav0nic: пни Кошелева)
[14:18:02] nmk: а кто-нибудь на кипре был?
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[15:16:44] nmk: cutwater: а где? че там делать то ? :)
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[15:25:39] wiz_: видимо да, симлинк
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[16:13:08] cutwater: nmk: а щас не помню, где-то под Ларнакой вроде....
[16:13:19] cutwater: отдыхать же. море, солнце, пляж, девки.
[16:13:41] cutwater: а сори, в Ларнаке был аэропорт
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[16:16:25] bobry: товарищи, а чего делать если есть несколько миксинов перегружающих одни и те же методы
[16:16:30] bobry: и хочется заиметь сразу оба
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[16:22:39] wiz_: метакласс
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[16:22:50] wiz_: не знаю как именно, но он поможет наверняка (8
[16:22:52] bobry: не решает проблемы
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[16:23:35] nmk: а как вызывать то ты их будешь?
[16:24:10] bobry: ну я ожидаю что при вызове C.foo() будут вызываться методы обоих mixinов по очереди
[16:24:17] bobry: может проще свой super() наворотить?
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[16:26:31] nmk: не очень понимаю как ты superом тут сделаешь
[16:26:32] cutwater: bobry: а как насчет метод перегрузить и вызвать их явно?
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[16:26:57] bobry: nmk: возвращать какой нить хитрый объект который будет делать то что мне надо
[16:27:08] bobry: cutwater: сейчас так и сделал, но хочется чего то по-кошерней
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[16:27:31] nmk: bobry: ну возможно как _wiz сказал, метаклассом переопредлить этот метод методом, который будем вызывать поочередно из mixinов
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[16:27:47] nmk: *который будет
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[16:27:50] bobry: а если методов много?
[16:28:02] nmk: так автоматом детект сделать какой-нибудь
[16:28:04] bobry: как то уж очень
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[16:28:15] cutwater: а можно написать метакласс который будет проходить по всем базовым классам и смотреть на методы
[16:28:28] cutwater: но имхо это извращение
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[19:32:45] bobry: какую же уродливую документацию делает namedtuple <_<
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[19:34:24] nmk: а тебя в нем eval не смущает? :)
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[19:39:10] bobry: меня в нем все смущает
[19:39:13] bobry: но уж очень удобный
[19:39:23] nmk: сделай свой
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[20:22:40] _lorien: чё-то меня заебал supervisord, мне кажется он глючит, ну или его имплментация в дебиане
[20:22:51] _lorien: чо ещё есть из похожего софта?
[20:23:16] Typhon: ранит
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[20:27:32] _lorien: надо поглядеть, нужен ли мне вообще супервизор, по идее в uwsgi есть фича демона, котораый следит за процессами
[20:27:47] _lorien: а рестарт сайта прекрасно по touch <file> делается
[20:27:51] Tony: а uwsgi через что пускается?
[20:28:05] _lorien: хз, через init.d скрипт )
[20:28:20] Tony: у меня просто проект с чероки там uwsgi прямо веб-сервером пускается
[20:28:30] _lorien: nginx не умеет такого
[20:28:41] _lorien: а, в смысле, у тебя чероки веб-сервер?
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[20:35:43] gigimon: да
[20:35:47] gigimon: чероки сам пускает uwsgi
[20:36:05] gigimon: при первом же запросе, если не запущен - то дергает его
[20:36:30] hr6134: кто может подсказать как правильно перекодировать русский текст, чтобы отображались не знаки вопроса, а символы?
пытался читать документацию, но окончательно запутался в decode encode
[20:37:00] gigimon: если в тексте ????? то уже никак
[20:38:20] hr6134: хм. но если я делаю s.encode('utf-8'), то вижу
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xab in position 253: ordinal not in range(128)
[20:38:32] hr6134: значит номер символа он знает
[20:38:47] _lorien: Ну и как этот чероки, норм тема? :) Т.е. можно ещё и nginx выкинуть что ли? )
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[20:41:18] _lorien: просто как бы uwsgi-процесс то один нужен всего, я тут читал доки, у него есть опция, говоришь где искать конфиги, он их ищет, сам запускает сайты
[20:41:38] _lorien: http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/wiki/Emperor
[20:42:03] _lorien: uwsgi --emperor /etc/vassals/domains/*/conf/uwsgi.xml даже так можно конфиги указывать
[20:42:38] gigimon: _lorien: ну чероки у меня работает, не течет, аптайм 3 месяца
[20:42:43] gigimon: сайты поднимает
[20:42:51] gigimon: правда у меня посещаемость 1-2к всего
[20:42:54] gigimon: на 5 сайтах
[20:43:34] hr6134: всё. разобрался. спасибо :)
[20:43:37] _lorien: да у меня тоже не много, 8-10к где-то
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[20:53:57] огыешсук: _lorien: в час?
[20:54:27] _lorien: в день
[20:54:59] _lorien: а, нет, вру, главный сайт, где 90% хостов вообще на другом сервере ))
[20:55:07] _lorien: короче у меня как у гигимона нагрузка )
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[21:20:28] gigimon: дайте идею простого но посещаемого сайта? :)
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[21:20:47] Typhon: твиттер
[21:20:54] gigimon: увы, он уже есть :(
[21:21:03] gigimon: эх
[21:21:19] Typhon: ну тогда этот "нахуй — это здесь"
[21:21:24] Typhon: каганова сайт вроде прикрыли
[21:21:28] Typhon: и этой страницы нету
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[21:23:49] gigimon: да их куча
[21:24:35] gigimon: http://natribu.org/?IEFsZXguQSUgJSA
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[21:44:46] огыешсук: Typhon: о, у твиттера есть множество подражателей, как я недавно узнал. Например, plurk.com -- там тебе и комменты и таймлайн забавный. Популярный относительно, да.
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[21:46:02] огыешсук: /me недавно запустил простой но посещаемый "облачательный" сервез и теперь знает наиболее активные онлайн-сообщества "любителей самоанализа", да
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[22:06:38] Tony: огыешсук, ну да. фейсбуков то вон сколько аналогов. )
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[22:14:19] огыешсук: посещаемых?
[22:14:46] огыешсук: впрочем, да, знаю один посещаемый
[22:15:44] огыешсук: с него едва несколько сотен человек мне на сервез пришли (а с фейсбука и вовсе еденицы).
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