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[08:12:33] _lorien: а как на хетцнере подсети ip покупать? Кто-нить покупал? Там какой-то flexipack нужен для этого за 15евро/месяц?
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[08:36:38] levsha: они же там 3 или 4 адреса просто так дают, надо только попросить
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[08:45:39] _lorien: хм, откуда такая инфа? НА сайте написано, что 1ип дополнительный стоит 1евро и максимум 4 ипа можно купить
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[08:51:38] levsha: _lorien: может условия уже другие. у меня 3 ip сейчас на сервере висити, без дополнительных оплат
[08:52:58] levsha: да, про дополнительные адреса уже ничего не говорят. Значит я успел
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[08:56:47] _lorien: В общем, накатал письмо в саппорт, посмотрим чего ответят )
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[08:57:10] _lorien: Хотя на forum.searchengines.ru видел, что людям даже не давали, когда они писали, что им для dns-сервера надо )
[08:57:16] levsha: ох, надо денег на карточку закинуть. А то они уже хотят за сервер, а на карточке не хватает
[08:57:37] levsha: я всегда писал что мне надо для отдельного проекта с https :)
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[10:27:23] Trec: как узнать папка является ли репозиторием? SVN
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[10:29:20] Trec: wiz_: вывело список файлов и папок, но не большой
[10:29:33] _lorien: посмотреть насрал ли туда svn каталогом ".svn"
[10:29:40] _lorien: svn info лучше уж тогда
[10:30:10] Trec: да есть там .svn, но когда пытаюсь слить от туда копию виндовым клиентом, то пишет что папка не репозиторий
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[10:31:23] Trec: наверно не от туда сливал, нада сливать от туда на что указывает Repository Root?
[10:34:34] Trec: ура, с Repository Root пошол сливатся, большое спасибо за помощь _lorien и wiz_
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[11:15:41] bobry-: кто нибудь планирует в djangodash участвовать?
[11:15:44] bobry-: /me ищет команду
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[11:16:53] cutwater: утро всем =)
[11:17:02] bobry-: привет-привет
[11:17:06] cutwater: задам еще раз вопрос, люди кто будет на Kyiv.py #3 ?
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[11:29:54] xa4a: по-моему, формат kyiv.py как-то не очень пошёл
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[11:30:37] cutwater: xa4a: я просто ни разу не был, что там?
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[11:31:43] xa4a: приходишь, тупишь, ждёшь пол часа после начала. потом, как обычно, что-то рассказывает Светлов и Хавр
[11:31:54] xa4a: Светлов троллит, Хавр рекламируется)
[11:32:04] xa4a: это длится где-то часа два
[11:32:12] xa4a: потом все расходятся (бухать?)
[11:32:12] cutwater: ну Светлов наверно одна из причин по которой я туда еду.
[11:32:25] bobry-: 2 часа? как то не густо
[11:32:34] cutwater: эм... написано с 11 до 18 будет
[11:32:47] xa4a: ну если там полтора докладчика подготовится
[11:33:26] cutwater: xa4a: а ты будешь / нет? Тоже встретиться познакомиться было бы неплохо.
[11:33:36] xa4a: я вряд ли
[11:34:00] xa4a: хотяэ.. может с утра только немного
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[11:35:27] xa4a: там ещё 5 докладов по рельсам добавили
[11:35:31] xa4a: вот вам и с 11 до 18)
[11:35:38] cutwater: клево
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[11:35:49] bobry-: вроде же .py?
[11:35:52] cutwater: не
[11:36:00] cutwater: это в рамках Ciklum Web Saturday
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[13:37:04] _lorien: саппорт написал, что дополнительные ip на хетценер платные, стоят 0.85евро в месяц, видимо, без налога.
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[14:01:56] gigimon: _lorien: это дешево
[14:04:11] nmk: "Redis Sharding on Haskell "
[14:04:21] bobry-: link?
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[14:04:36] nmk: https://github.com/kni/redis-sharding-hs
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[14:05:29] nmk: The "Redis Sharding on Perl" project has been closed in favor of "Redis Sharding on Haskell"
because the latter is 4 to 10 times more productive.
[14:05:31] _lorien: в смысле дёшево? вроде б обычная цена
[14:06:04] _lorien: даже чуть дороже, я обычно видел цену 1$ за ip
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[14:08:47] Typhon: MyForkManager.hs <https://github.com/kni/redis-sharding-hs/blob/master/MyForkManager.hs> MyNetLazy.hs <https://github.com/kni/redis-sharding-hs/blob/master/MyNetLazy.hs> гг
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[14:09:34] bobry-: с перла на хаскель это конечно круто
[14:09:37] bobry-: nmk: ты его пробовал уже?
[14:09:37] Typhon: https://github.com/kni/redis-sharding-hs/blob/master/RedisSharding.hs#L167
[14:09:53] Typhon: https://github.com/kni/redis-sharding-hs/blob/master/RedisSharding.hs#L290
[14:09:53] bobry-: tabs <_<
[14:10:03] Typhon: и длина строки — ооок!
[14:10:06] Typhon: и комменты
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[14:10:11] nmk: bobry-: да не. ни тот ни другой не пробовал. у нас же нечто свое для раскидывания по нодам
[14:10:18] bobry-: не доверяешь таким комментам? :D
[14:10:30] JFF: как в BSoup получить всё что внутри div ? нахожу div через find, но мне не нужено его описание, а нужно то, что в нутри. Если дописать .div, то будет уже внутренний div
[14:10:58] Typhon: bobry: я не умею читать квадраты же!
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[14:11:31] Typhon: да хэш таблицу навернуть просто
[14:11:38] Typhon: и раскидывать по узлам, не?
[14:12:26] nmk: Typhon: насколько я понял ребалансинга там нету никакого
[14:13:17] nmk: Typhon: квадратики, кстати, это koi8-r :)
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[14:13:50] Typhon: с дхтой? или в хаскиль-шардинге?
[14:13:57] nmk: Typhon: в хаскиль
[14:14:14] nmk: koi8-r видна будет только если raw нажать и поменять кодировку в браузере. ну, или склонировать
[14:14:58] nmk: resharding через perl скрипт
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[15:52:35] nmk: а чего его пробовать. бери да используй. торнада, вон, заводится уже
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[15:54:11] Tony: боюсь какая хуйня понадобится и пиздык.
[15:54:13] Tony: пробую щас
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[15:57:22] nmk: портанешь хуйню, заодно
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[15:59:47] bobry-: tru dat
[15:59:51] bobry-: мы очень хотим перейти
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[16:03:25] Typhon: что держит и что пишете?
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[16:06:10] bobry-: держит что зеновские пиндинги для 2.X
[16:06:30] bobry-: и никто их не берется переписывать
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[16:06:53] Typhon: а пчу не камловые xen-api? ^_^
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[16:09:39] gigimon: о
[16:10:09] gigimon: bobry-: это ты ж консоль в селектеле писал? :) читал на хабре эпопею
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[16:26:23] Tony: nmk, да вот только начал memcached либ под python3 нет почти )
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[16:26:44] огыешсук: кому нужен memcached когда есть redis
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[16:26:51] Tony: редис хуита же
[16:27:07] nmk: Tony: pylibmc не работает с 3кой?
[16:27:20] Tony: ща смотрю.
[16:28:19] nmk: огыешсук: насчет редиса хуиты это такое стандартное мнение. :) но эт не так. да.
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[16:29:00] Tony: штука может и хорошая. но довелось с сней поработать валится с охуительной частотой
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[16:29:23] nmk: и все так говорят ,да.
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[16:29:54] Tony: хз. я вначале посмотрел мнение было "ВАУ АХУЕТЬ", но потом чето сразу кончилась эрекция.
[16:30:32] Tony: примерно такая же история была с тем же чироки.
[16:30:35] nmk: в redisе хотя бы есть слейв из коробки
[16:30:36] огыешсук: Tony: это мемкеш ваш хуита. А редис -- няшка. Просто используй стабильные версии, что в дистрибутиве дебиана. Я уже год пользую, джангокеш и джангосешн на него перевёл. Волосы мягкие и шелковистые.
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[16:30:59] Tony: огыешсук, у тебя он под нагрузками или так?
[16:31:06] nmk: у меня редис под нагрузкой
[16:31:14] nmk: все ок с ним
[16:31:14] огыешсук: щас посмотрю какая там нагрузка
[16:31:18] Tony: nmk, репликации, хуякции?
[16:31:23] nmk: Tony: доо
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[16:31:44] Tony: я год назад смотрел. в продел вел себя неадекватно.
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[16:32:38] nmk: я не очнеь понимаю таких вот выражений. как вы там тестите то? прежде чем в продакшен кинуть ничего не нагружаете что-ли?
[16:33:06] Tony: нагружаем. но скажем две недели без выключения оставить под нагрузкой и посмотреть что будет не всегда возможность есть
[16:33:08] огыешсук: Typhon: не, нагрузка обычно махонькая -- около пары сотен запросов в секунду (около 30 постоянно подключенных клиентов), полтора ляма ключей, полгига памяти.
[16:33:31] Tony: огыешсук, это херня. у меня щас мемкэш на двух серверах под 7 гб загружен
[16:33:50] огыешсук: я и говорю махонькая
[16:34:18] Tony: когда редис тестили нагрузка меньше была. охуенная штука как раз для твоих нагрузок. под более высокие увы
[16:34:22] Tony: хотя может что и изменилось
[16:34:34] nmk: у меня более высокие
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[16:34:48] nmk: сейчас 1.7к
[16:34:51] nmk: в секунду
[16:34:57] nmk: данных правда не шибко много
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[16:36:26] огыешсук: Tony: кстати, год назад над ним как раз основная работа и началась (автора в vmware на работу взяли).
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[16:36:50] огыешсук: С тех пор, если верить автору, очень много хорошего случилось с редиской.
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[16:37:01] Tony: попробовать чтоли.
[16:37:01] Typhon: луа вкрячил, например, ага
[16:37:07] Typhon: можно прямо там энгри бёрдс написать
[16:37:08] Tony: луа... ебаный ужас.
[16:37:08] Typhon: !
[16:37:11] nmk: луа нахуй
[16:37:16] wiz_: луа же в форке
[16:37:58] nmk: да автор вообще там чего-то странное пишет. луа, свое btree
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[16:40:49] Tony: у вас redis через brukva?
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[16:41:17] nmk: у меня redis-py
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[16:41:44] Tony: под python3 pip search redis выдает неведомую хуйню
[16:41:45] nmk: я кстати пробовал брюкву гонять. может у меня быстрая локалка, но разницы особой не заметил
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[16:43:29] Tony: сдается мне не redis-py не брюква под python3 не работает
[16:43:34] огыешсук: У меня тоже обычный редис:
redis - Python client for Redis key-value store
INSTALLED: 2.0.0
LATEST: 2.4.5

[16:43:40] bobry-: gigimon: ага, эпопея уже почти закончилась :)
[16:43:43] огыешсук: Кстати, надо обновить что ли.
[16:44:10] bobry-: redis-py вообще какой то странный, он зачем то делает Redis() thread-local
[16:44:13] nmk: bobry-: такой, немного трольский вопрос: а нафиг вы вообще эту консоль замутили делать? :)
[16:44:24] nmk: bobry-: новый redis-py уже не делает
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[16:44:43] bobry-: nmk: ну тык там в статье была мотивация, мы долго хотели заюзать че нить готовое, но оно все какое то meh
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[16:44:45] nmk: а до того как не делал старый в тредах там что-то криво было с сокетами, я поймал это
[16:45:04] nmk: bobry-: да у меня более глубокий вопрос, нафиг вообще эта консоль нужна в вебе
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[16:45:30] bobry-: а где еще? зафакапил ты ssh например -- че делать?
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[16:46:00] bobry-: можно конечно было бы прикидываться sshом
[16:46:10] bobry-: я уже не помню почему мы на этот вариант забили
[16:46:10] Tony: bobry, вообще я где-то видел фишку с кнопочкой. заменить ssh на стандартный конфиг.
[16:46:28] bobry-: Tony: ок, iptables? тоже на стандартный конфиг?
[16:46:32] nmk: bobry-: ну. про зафакапил я че-т не подумал.
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[16:46:42] nmk: а перед тем как менять iptables я ставлю ребут через 20 минут
[16:46:43] nmk: :)
[16:46:46] Tony: bobry, iptables хуй знает. а вот удалил ты /bin/bash что делать?
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[16:47:02] nmk: Tony: если удалил bash то консолька поможет
[16:47:07] bobry-: так шо баш то
[16:47:10] bobry-: ты с getty начинаешь
[16:47:15] nmk: это же не эмулятор терминала, это сам терминал
[16:47:17] Tony: а ну правда ок
[16:47:20] nmk: ну. как-то хуево я сказал. :)
[16:47:40] Tony: redis-py это же и есть просто redis?
[16:47:48] nmk: Tony: автор какой?
[16:47:54] Tony: https://github.com/Instagram/redis-py
[16:48:14] nmk: ну эт форк
[16:48:18] Tony: https://github.com/andymccurdy/redis-py вот этот точней
[16:48:23] nmk: эт да
[16:48:25] огыешсук: Если версия 2.4.5 то он.
[16:48:34] Typhon: """а перед тем как менять iptables я ставлю ребут через 20 минут""" — да! всё правильно %)
[16:48:35] nmk: redis-py кстати умеет через hiredis
[16:48:37] Tony: вот хуй он работает под python 3.2 как соответственно и брюква
[16:49:01] nmk: Typhon: я просто когда-то работал в хостинге и сервера были довольно далеко :)
[16:49:19] Tony: в общем, похоже на 2.7 придется остаться.
[16:49:33] nmk: Tony: ты попробуй через 2to3
[16:49:37] nmk: может оно и пройдет
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[16:50:01] Tony: меня остальные девы убьют за такое развертывание. )
[16:50:21] Tony: точней даже не питонисты а всякие админы и верстальщики
[16:50:22] nmk: так сделай форк
[16:50:29] nmk: и собери пакет, или как вы там деплоите
[16:50:41] Typhon: "как олень" :-)
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[16:50:45] Tony: +
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[16:51:05] Tony: кароче нахуй 3 питон. а то меня еще и урководство убьет за скорость разработки.
[16:51:14] bobry-: :D
[16:51:19] Typhon: "урководство" — ок
[16:51:39] Typhon: https://bitbucket.org/corvusalba/python3-memcached - ?
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[16:51:51] bobry-: я тут tox решил попробовать сегодня, он для разных версии питона умеет тесты гонять
[16:51:51] Typhon: а
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[16:51:54] Typhon: оно пустое
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[16:51:55] Tony: Typhon, да. он охуенно разработан.
[16:51:58] Typhon: %)
[16:52:00] Typhon: простите!
[16:52:06] bobry-: тык вот, на 3.2 попробовал -- тесты прошли на ок, но в коде везде xrange()
[16:52:08] bobry-: how come ..
[16:52:43] Tony: bobry, типа xrange = range везде.
[16:53:03] bobry-: ну в 3.2 же вообще нет xrange в __builtins__
[16:53:10] bobry-: оно должно было NameError ругнуться
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[16:53:21] Tony: ну вон выше migration еба.
[16:53:30] bobry-: так да, я про то что tox какой то хитрый
[16:53:37] Tony: хотя неужели в 3-м нет что-то типа from __deprecated__ import xrange ?
[16:53:46] bobry-: afaik нет
[16:53:55] bobry-: странно что xrange нету в future_builtins
[16:54:03] bobry-: map = imap есть
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[16:57:36] Tony: оказывается в arch не так просто содержать 3 и 2 одновременно в системе
[16:57:57] bobry-: почему?
[16:58:01] bobry-: там python2 же
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[17:01:59] Tony: ага. теперь надо 2 virtualenv под 3 и 2
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[17:02:14] Tony: две psycopg две pil и понеслась
[17:02:19] Tony: а в репах только под 2
[17:02:29] bobry-: а, в убунте такая же проблема
[17:02:42] bobry-: virtualenv под 3 и нет по моему
[17:02:44] bobry-: или уже есть?
[17:02:53] Tony: сделали в 1.6.0
[17:03:25] Tony: в freebsd один хуй это лучше всего было сделано
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[17:11:28] Tony: кстати есть интересный таск. предыстория. раньше по определенному событию через N минут запускался один скрипт делалось это через /usr/bin/at начали переделывать я сделал через очереди, т.е у очереди есть delay с которым запускается хуитка. но один хуй, кажется неестественно для этого юзать очередь. есть мысли как это сделать помоднее?
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[17:12:08] gigimon: а чем at не устроил?
[17:12:42] Typhon: echo "import time; time.sleep(N); os.system(cmd)" > file.py && python file.py ^____^ — модно?
[17:12:57] Tony: во первых хуй промониторишь, во вторых там есть определенные правила блокировок и даже транзакций, там такой охуительный скрипт с локами и очередями на файлах был что мне плохо стало. я дня два с этим разбирался.
[17:13:25] Tony: во вторых надо уже параллелить а через ssh вызывать at это чето пиздец не комильфо.
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[17:14:52] Tony: алсо, интересно, почему pip search brukva находит, а pip install brukva нет...
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[19:47:40] JFF: есть тут кто-нибудь, кто с lxm хорошо знаком ?
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[19:48:35] огыешсук: там доки ж есть
[19:49:01] JFF: доки не очень
[19:49:11] JFF: хрен пойми как сотавлены
[19:49:13] огыешсук: нормальные доки, зачастую и таких нету
[19:50:08] JFF: в общем, там есть клас для очистки html, если я хочу потереть ссылки, то он оставляет их анкоры <a>всё что тут</a>
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[19:54:44] wiz: .replace('<a>', '').replace('</a>', '')
[19:54:50] wiz: следущий вопрос
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[20:02:05] JFF: ты не понял )
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[20:02:19] JFF: и метод твой в лоб совсем уж
[20:02:22] Мозгошредер: А есть что почитать на тему практичского юниттестинга? А то я прекрасно понимаю, как протестировать, допустим, def multiply(a, b), и прочую фигню, но совершенно не пойму, как и куда его воткнуть даже в такую простейшую вещь как IRC бот.
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[20:02:43] JFF: мне наоборот не надо чтобы анкоры оставались, а lxml при чистке их оставляет
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[20:03:05] JFF: должен же он уметь парные тэги чистить с данными
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[20:06:10] Мозгошредер: А как тот класс для чистки называется?
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[20:10:47] JFF: Cleaner
[20:11:23] JFF: http://lxml.de/api/lxml.html.clean-module.html
[20:11:36] Мозгошредер: JFF: хм, побаловался в ipython: http://dumpz.org/63038/
[20:12:10] Мозгошредер: а, ты хочешь вместе с самим текстом ссылки убрать?
[20:12:26] JFF: именно
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[20:12:37] JFF: clean.Cleaner(javascript=True,links=True,remove_tags=['img','a'])
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[20:14:33] Мозгошредер: In [44]: el.find('.//a').clear()

In [45]: el.find('.//a').drop_tag()

In [46]: html.tostring(el)
Out[46]: '<html><body></body></html>'
[20:17:24] JFF: не трёт что-то у меня )
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[20:18:04] JFF: doc = lxml.html.document_fromstring(data)
doc.find('.//a').clear()
doc.find('.//a').drop_tag()
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[20:18:18] JFF: ну и в tostring()
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[20:18:28] Мозгошредер: find(self, path, namespaces=None)

Finds the first matching subelement, by tag name or path.
[20:18:45] Мозгошредер: собственно надо найти все элементы и ко всем применить эту фигню
[20:18:54] Мозгошредер: файнд просто пример
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[20:19:51] Мозгошредер: findall возвращает все, например
[20:20:06] JFF: понял
[20:21:15] _lorien: в топку find/findall используйтеся полноценный xpath :)
[20:22:04] Мозгошредер: ну замени .find на .xpath
[20:22:10] Мозгошредер: :)
[20:22:11] JFF: дак а тут тож же xpath используется
[20:22:13] JFF: разница какая ?
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[20:26:22] _lorien: нет, тут не xpath, а его очень обрезанная версия
[20:26:33] _lorien: find/findall много чего не умеет
[20:26:43] _lorien: поэтому проще забить на эти методы и знать только xpath :)
[20:27:01] _lorien: xpath() метод, я имею в виду
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[20:27:42] JFF: я понял
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[20:28:18] JFF: а аналог renderContents и Bsoup можно как-нибудь попроще реализовать ?
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[20:28:26] JFF: а то там целые функции в гугле только
[20:28:56] JFF: чтобы получить всё что внутри дива, без его параметров и тэга
[20:29:30] JFF: т.е если я найду Div c id div1, то он возвратит <div id=div1>data</div< а мне надо только data
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[20:57:35] denplis: xa4a: как в виме открыть файл из command-T в горизонтальном окне?
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[21:29:13] Мозгошредер: Собственно про мой вопрос все в непонятках?
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[21:35:43] Tony: идиотский вопрос. в реалтаймовой аппликухе какую документ-ориентированную базу данных лучше использовать? скорость отдачи важней чем целостность данных
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[23:11:01] bobry: а документ-ориентированных всего ничего же
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