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[14:52:46] wiz: постгрес q:
[14:53:02] wiz: :sqlface:
[14:53:04] Tony: надо бы nosql :\
[14:53:13] wiz: с чего ты взял? (=
[14:53:39] Tony: структура данных такая. больше под nosql подходит
[14:54:03] Tony: неужто mongo тормозней чем postgres на insert/select ?
[14:54:19] Tony: алсо, неужто ни mongoengine ни mongokit не могут работать с asyncmongo?
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[14:56:37] wiz: если надо делать селекты по внутренним элементам документа, то да, монга
[14:56:48] wiz: про асинк не знаю, но с gevent-ом вроде всё ок
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[15:11:53] Tony: тест с postgresql чтоли заебенить
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[15:14:29] Tony: wiz, а ты тесты на insert/select не проводил с mongo/postgres? :)
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[15:30:09] wiz: нет, но мне кажется он достаточно быстр
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[15:40:40] Trec: подскажите как объеденить 2 кверисета, под одним именем чтобы были?
context['random_article'] = News.objects.order_by('?')[:2]
context['random_article'] = Articles.objects.order_by('?')[:2]
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[15:41:05] Tony: http://artur.ejsmont.org/blog/content/insert-performance-comparison-of-nosql-vs-sql-servers интересно
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[15:47:23] Tony: Trec, my_model = News if x else Articles, либо через content-types
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[16:00:03] Trec: Tony: Спасибо. Но так и не дошло, сделал двумя не объеденяя
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[16:10:07] Tony: прям точка бифуркации. что же юзать mongo или postgresql
[16:11:41] xa4a: зачем монго?
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[16:14:13] Tony: по идее схема очень хорошо ложится на документ-ориентированные базы. с одной стороны
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[16:14:37] Tony: перфоманс на инсерты и тупые селекты, E-Commerse + Online Banking с другой...
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[16:17:26] Tony: наверное сыграет принцип "grandpa still spry"
[16:17:36] Tony: и заюзаю ненавистную мной SA + postgersql :)
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[16:20:41] Tony: еще у сайта многодб дизайн мне нравится.
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[16:38:53] xa4a: e-commerce
[16:38:56] xa4a: какая монга?
[16:39:01] xa4a: это ж бабло
[16:39:06] xa4a: монга умеет транзакции уже?
[16:39:21] xa4a: !g mongodb transactions
[16:39:54] xa4a: lightweight and fast
[16:40:10] xa4a: это ж антонимы к стабильно и надёжно, нет?
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[16:42:36] Tony: xa4a, да вот хуй знает. мы с gae съябываем.
[16:42:47] Tony: xa4a, ибо потребовалась интеграция с iphone и все пиздец на жопу сели.
[16:43:02] xa4a: как ифон связан с gae?
[16:43:22] Tony: напрямую. там надо пуллить запросы. ибо аппликейшн реалтаймовый.
[16:43:27] Tony: в gae есть для этого channel api
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[16:43:41] Tony: там нет возможности пулить запросы как в любом веб-серевере. только channel api
[16:44:20] Tony: ну так вот. iphone девелопер посмотрел и сказал что все что написано для этого говно полное чтобы реализовать нормальную поддержку channel api надо еще разработчика и месяца 2-3
[16:44:38] Tony: решили что проще сьебать с gae
[16:44:41] Tony: такие дела. )
[16:45:13] Tony: плюс channel api вещь забавная я обязательно про этот гугловысер в бложике пост сделаю. но не сейчас.
[16:45:38] xa4a: окей, резонно
[16:46:01] xa4a: почему не постгрес?
[16:46:07] xa4a: только потому что есть монга?
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[16:47:33] Tony: говорю же. все что не касается онлайн банкинга охуительно ложится на документ-ориентированную субд
[16:47:51] Tony: вообще я подумал что накатаю щас на том, что привычней (postgres) а потом часть перетянем на монго. компроммис хуле.
[16:47:56] xa4a: /me вообще с монгой не работал, но пока и не планирует, т.к. постгреса пока хватает. а вообще часто хватает sqlite
[16:48:28] xa4a: !g mongodb failed all my data lost
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[16:48:47] xa4a: nosql такой nosql
[16:48:53] Tony: ага. слышал про такое.
[16:49:29] Tony: ну и еще момент. приложение для рассейской аудитории пинги до gae отсюда часто пиздец.
[16:50:49] xa4a: с gae не работал тоже. а оно не умеет само перетекать на нужные сервера, поближе к клиентам?
[16:51:19] Tony: похоже что нет
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[16:52:45] Tony: сделай ping demo.appspot.com от себя да посмотри. у меня относительно шустро 100-110 ms у кого-то до 300 доходит.
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[16:53:54] xa4a: ~60
[16:54:44] Tony: ну у тебя тоже шустро. а сделай ping clodo.ru
[16:56:16] xa4a: ~65-70
[16:56:23] Tony: ты не в рашке чтоль?
[16:56:38] xa4a: не, киев
[16:56:48] Tony: а ну у укров по-другому да. :)
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[16:57:22] Tony: вообще с интернетами у укров проще. )
[16:57:37] xa4a: возможно..
[16:57:58] xa4a: получается до clodo - 14 хопов, до gae - 14-16, как повезёт
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