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[00:44:25] b2amper: Кто-нибудь дельным советом поможет, по работе с urlilb2, а то документация как-то меня только запутала.
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[06:30:40] webninja: а есть какие нибудь решения для создания разных темплейтов для сайта
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[12:53:08] ltoshchev: пинг. кто-нибудь разбирается в скраппи? необходимо поочереди обходить страницу вида domain/id каждый раз увеличивая id. никак не могу найти в документации и примерах способ это сделать. как я понимаю SgmlLinkExtractor описывает как обходимо те ссылки, что были найдены на самой странице.
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[13:00:47] ltoshchev: как я понимаю никто не знает как это сделать?
[13:01:19] unkier: а id то какойто хитрый чтоли ?
[13:01:32] ltoshchev: нет. обычный id например с 1 до 100
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[13:01:50] unkier: а циклом то не канает ?
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[13:02:04] ltoshchev: а куда этот цикл кидать?
[13:02:28] ltoshchev: циклом я делал с использование beautiful soup. а теперь решил попробовать scrapy
[13:02:45] ltoshchev: как парсить саму страницу вроде разобрался. а как обходить несколько страниц нет
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[13:03:24] unkier: for i in range(0,100): somejob('domain/aaa/%i' % i) чото типа таво нет ?
[13:03:29] slav0nic: скраипи немного по другому работаешь. ты кидаешь ему стартовый урл, он выпарсивает страницы для обхода и бреёт с них инфу для пайплайнов
[13:03:46] slav0nic: unkier, наверно перед ответом не помешалоб узнать о каком scrapy идёт речь...
[13:04:12] ltoshchev: т.е. он будет обходить только те урлы, что нашёл на стартовой странице?
никак нельзя эту стартовую страницу постоянно менять?
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[13:04:28] unkier: а о каком скраппи идет реч :) ?
[13:04:52] ltoshchev: о фреймворке для создания пауков python-scrapy 0.12
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[13:06:21] ltoshchev: ну вот например
http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/115710/
здесь в задании указано: "Пройтись по каждой странице с результатами, меняя значение page"
я так и не понял где он меняет это значение. статья конечно паршивая, но туториал не на много понятнее
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[13:09:07] ltoshchev: ан нет. понял. ссылке с номером странице есть на стартовой, поэтому он их без проблем обойдёт.
вопрос снят.
видимо придётся как-то по другому изошрятся
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[13:10:17] slav0nic: ltoshchev, ну я уже не помню тонкостей, когда я ковырял именно внутренности, то можно было менять чёт в менеджере "налету"
[13:10:27] slav0nic: спроси лучше на канале на фриноде #scrapy
[13:10:37] slav0nic: может автор ответит
[13:10:42] ltoshchev: о. спасибо :)
[13:10:55] slav0nic: dangra по-моему, но он ща вроде away
[13:11:05] slav0nic: эт в ирц
[13:11:13] ltoshchev: угу
[13:11:17] unkier: а в примере на хабре page то сама меняца будет ?
[13:11:25] ltoshchev: будет
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[13:11:59] ltoshchev: я просто сразу не заметил что на странице есть ссылки с элементом page.
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[13:13:17] cutwater: python@, подскажи каких задачек перед тестовым заданием можно подкинуть товарищу
[13:13:32] cutwater: чтобы более полно подготовиться в разрезе Python/Django developer
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[13:16:20] bobry-: ну про джангу я даже не знаю что можно интересного спросить
[13:16:30] bobry-: как WSGI работает может
[13:16:31] cutwater: ну по питону чисто
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[13:16:44] cutwater: bobry: собеседование товарищ уже прошел
[13:16:50] cutwater: второй тур - тестовое задание
[13:16:53] bobry-: а, тестовое задание
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[13:17:02] bobry-: ну я думаю там какой нить апп дадут написать
[13:17:15] bobry-: как к такому подготовишься
[13:17:31] cutwater: ну хз, задачки покрутить, питоновый ООП поузнать
[13:17:45] cutwater: так как с питоном человек имел весьма небольшое знакомство
[13:17:46] bobry-: а он питон ни ни?
[13:17:52] cutwater: ни ни
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[13:18:13] bobry-: ну фик знает, я бы тогда туториал джанговский покрутил
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[13:18:24] bobry-: написал бы какой нить блог :)
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[13:27:30] Typhon: "питон ни ни" — Python/Django developer — """собеседование товарищ уже прошел"""
[13:27:36] Typhon: хммммм
[13:28:07] unkier: взятки, кумовство )
[13:28:08] cutwater: Typhon: ну берут джуниора, на внутренний проект
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[13:28:28] cutwater: типа после универа, знание базовых принципов, PHP в прошлом
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[13:29:31] Typhon: я бы питон учил %)
[13:29:44] bobry-: Typhon: зачем питон если есть Django :)
[13:30:07] cutwater: Typhon: вопрос - где взять задачки которые можно порешать
[13:30:26] cutwater: мне вспоминается какая-то банальщина с универских курсов
[13:30:30] bobry-: cutwater: какого плана задачки то?
[13:30:32] cutwater: типа телефонный справочник написать и т..п
[13:30:35] bobry-: есть 99 problems
[13:30:37] bobry-: а, хм
[13:30:38] cutwater: bobry: да ну на базовые вещи.
[13:30:42] unkier: на интуите есть бородатый курс по питону с тестами
[13:30:44] cutwater: там с примесями ООП и т.п.
[13:31:20] bobry-: кстати на интуите ничешный курс
[13:31:23] bobry-: я так и не прошел тесты :D
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[13:34:08] bobry-: http://habrahabr.ru/company/e-Legion/blog/122909/
[13:34:11] bobry-: мой бог
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[13:35:35] Typhon: клёво %)
[13:35:48] Typhon: почему на icfpc такого не было? :-)
[13:35:54] bobry-: даешь стриптиз и попойку после каждого дня контеста!
[13:36:20] bobry-: Typhon: ты поучаствовал кстати?
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[13:36:38] Typhon: :-) не, у меня же дедлайны и всё такое было, поэтому я пролетал
[13:36:42] Typhon: и пролетел ЖВ
[13:36:43] Typhon: :D
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[13:36:56] Typhon: бтв, а как на джангодэше узнают, что ты заранее не сделал аппликуху?
[13:36:56] bobry-: ну вот :)
[13:37:04] bobry-: по коммитам?
[13:37:13] bobry-: если очень захотеть можно симулировать активность конечно
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[13:39:31] Typhon: ну я ж могу попатчить всё, при желании, не?
[13:39:43] bobry-: можешь, конечно
[13:39:48] bobry-: не удивлюсь если такие ребята будут
[13:39:55] bobry-: у нас пока все честно, только скетчи интерфейса
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[13:42:19] Typhon: а вы что делаете?
[13:43:24] bobry-: агрегатор oss проектов которым нужна помощь
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[13:50:31] slav0nic: годно
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[13:51:41] bobry-: slav0nic: было, но у нас там подход другой
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[13:54:22] b2amper: Всем привет!
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[13:55:47] b2amper: Кто-нибудь в состоянии в 2-х словах внятно объяснить, что делает класс Request в библиотеке urlib2?
[13:55:57] cutwater: документация?
[13:56:10] unkier: наверно формирует запрос !
[13:56:22] unkier: я угадал ?
[13:56:25] cutwater: b2amper: This class is an abstraction of a URL request.
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[13:57:55] b2amper: Это (документацию) я в первую очередь прочитал. Что это запрос URL-а. А зачем его делать?
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[13:58:34] b2amper: Я понимаю, что мои вопросы совсем из разряда новичков, но...
[13:58:38] Typhon: если тебе не надо делать запрос, зачем ты полез в urllib? $)
[13:58:38] unkier: ) ты меня улыбнул
[13:59:06] Darth Лис: "ви делаете мне смешно" ©
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[13:59:32] Darth Лис: b2amper: очевидно что бы получить то что содержится по указанному URL
[14:00:17] b2amper: Я про то, зачем нужно делать urllib2.Request("http://site.ru"), когда можно сразу связать urllib2.urlopen("http://site.ru")
[14:00:28] ltoshchev: если тебе необходимо сделать запрос то этот класс использовать не обязательно. если вдруг захотелось изменить заголовки то надо
[14:00:58] ltoshchev: urllib2.Request('http://domain',None,{'User-Agent': 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; Creative)'})
[14:01:02] ltoshchev: как-то так
[14:01:19] ltoshchev: тут же можно указать использовать метод get или post
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[14:01:27] b2amper: Заголовки в смысле cookie?
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[14:01:41] Darth Лис: b2amper: в смысле все http заголовки
[14:01:44] unkier: ))
[14:01:53] Typhon: !g http rfc
[14:01:54] Darth Лис: аутефикация например
[14:01:55] Darth Лис: куси
[14:01:58] Darth Лис: куки*
[14:02:05] Darth Лис: да и вообще всё что там может быть
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[14:03:17] b2amper: Тогда совсем нубовский вопрос... а всё что там может быть в HTTP мне возратит метод info()?
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[14:12:59] b2amper: ОК. Задача тривиальная, но я с моей нулевой практикой в python не смог её пока решить. Итак, мне надо задать серверу запрос. Сервер делает редирект (и возвращает cookie), как защита от парсинга. 1. Я делаю POST запрос на сервер. Получаю cookie (с редиректа). 2. Мне нужно Request поменять те поля в cookie, которые отвечают за аутентификацию. Я правильно размышляю?
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[14:14:51] b2amper: Кстати, кому интересно, сервер не абстрактный ;) а wordstat.yandex.ru Там защит скрипт JS который редиректит на kiks.yandex.ru/su/
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[14:22:12] webninja: жесть
[14:22:34] webninja: там флэш на странице
[14:22:42] webninja: флэш может куки ставить?
[14:23:11] bobry-: js может, а уж флеш и подавно
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[14:23:45] Typhon: b2amper: сео!
[14:23:47] b2amper: Пытался разобраться в теме, там достаточно получить значение поля fuid01
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[14:27:29] Typhon: чувак пытается написать бота, для выдирания поисковой статистики со страницы, которую специально от таких ботов защитили, и ещё говорит, что не сеошник
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[14:28:36] _lorien: да при чём тут сеошник, он просто на заказ пишет скрипт, может
[14:29:02] cutwater: :-D
[14:29:06] _lorien: я помню писал такую хрень, как раз помню трахался с этим fuid01 куки, но заработало потом )
[14:29:06] Typhon: на заказ сеошника, ок, что меняет то? ;-)
[14:29:19] _lorien: Typhon: не знаю, что меняется, а зачем ваще ты про это пишешь?
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[14:30:21] b2amper: Typhon, спокойствие, только спокойствие. Яндекс давно открыл API к статистике поисковых запросов. Я не пишу на заказ скрипт. Я сам для себя пытаюсь разобраться в давнишней задаче, которая сподвигла меня изучать python.
[14:30:47] Typhon: я какбэ намекаю, что сео — это плохо, поэтому надо сойти с чёрной дорожки, которая ведёт исключительно на seogay.ru или куда там
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[14:31:47] b2amper: Если уж на то пошло, то я занимаюсь контекстной рекламой.
[14:32:31] cutwater: расстрелять
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[14:34:53] b2amper: Ещё будут конструктивные предложения?
[14:35:36] cutwater: хм... можно еще долго пытать прежде чем закапывать.
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[14:37:43] b2amper: Можно, но кому от этого будет легче ;)
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[14:39:26] b2amper: Какие-нибудь ещё последуют ЦУ (ценные указания) по моей проблеме?
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[14:55:58] _lorien: api то открыл, тока оно платное
[14:56:02] _lorien: а в бесплатном варианте лими маленький
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[14:56:59] _lorien: b2amper: http://www.google.ru/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81+fuid01 покури это
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[15:06:14] b2amper: _lorien: API бесплатное, правда есть ограничение на аккаунт (для работы вполне достаточно: 1000 запросов в сутки). Но не в этом дело. Эта задача сподвигла меня на изучение python-а некоторое время назад, сейчас есть свободное время решил к ней вернутся.
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[15:07:37] b2amper: А какой запрос Вы вводили с fuid01?
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[15:12:06] b2amper: А-а-а-а... Спасибо за ссылку. Но поиск я весь уже прошерстил. Есть вот решение (вроде как просто): http://ru-python.livejournal.com/292986.html
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[15:18:26] b2amper: Лично я не смог вытащить поле fuid01 после связки urllib2.urlopen("http://kiks.yandex.ru/su/")
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[15:23:53] zili: Как проверить символ, не число ли это ?
[15:24:33] bobry-: zili: символ это строка?
[15:24:40] bobry-: если да то .isdigit()
[15:24:40] zili: bobry-: да
[15:24:45] bobry-: но это только для интов
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[15:24:54] bobry-: как намекает название :)
[15:24:55] zili: bobry-: спасибо, как раз мне это и надо )
[15:25:06] bobry-: sure, rtfm :)
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[15:52:01] xa4a: что значит l3 support engineer?
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[15:54:36] Darth Лис: xa4a: The Network Layer is Layer 3 of the seven-layer OSI model <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model> of computer networking <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_networking>.
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[15:57:30] xa4a: гхм..
[15:57:47] xa4a: я б понял ещё L2 support engineer :)
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[16:00:19] Typhon: поддержка третьей линии. типа, сначала вебморда и FAQ'и какие-нибудь
[16:00:41] Typhon: потом колцентр
[16:00:54] Typhon: какй-нибудь, которые просто знают, что и как говорить, но плохо разбираются
[16:00:57] Typhon: и потом инженер
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[16:10:55] xa4a: ага, спасибо
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[17:30:52] zili: есть функция в питоне для удаления дублирующих записей в списке ?
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[17:32:34] zili: erraen: Спасибо !
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[17:33:34] zili: erraen: это не страшно
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[17:57:28] slav0nic: кто на руби кодит?
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[17:58:04] slav0nic: интересует стабильность mongrel или лучше fcgi и не выёпываться
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[18:00:59] Typhon: зачем монгрель? монгрель2, кстати, не для руби, а для всего. надо взять юникорн и нгинкс, наерное
[18:01:52] slav0nic: там аля master режим в uwsgi? когда есть супервизор следящий за потомками

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[18:02:41] slav0nic: и без zeromq он не ставится?
[18:03:06] Typhon: кто? монгрель? монгрель2 через змку раскидывает сообщения
[18:03:20] Typhon: а юникорн форкается и все шаред сокет слушают
[18:03:23] slav0nic: честно мох 2 не 2 )
[18:03:34] Typhon: монгрель не два старый же
[18:03:51] slav0nic: читай выше)
[18:03:59] slav0nic: мне пофиг) главное чтоб работало
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[18:04:10] Typhon: чтобы работало бери юникорн :-)
[18:04:37] slav0nic: я если честно вообще не сторонник юзать проксирование на вебприложения
[18:05:03] slav0nic: fcgi как-то покошерней было бы, еслиб с серверной стороны руби была норм поддержка
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[18:33:25] zili: list() takes exactly 3 arguments (1 given)
[18:33:29] zili: как это понимать ?
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[18:35:31] Typhon: где-то переопределил
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[22:29:10] Ivan455: с irclib кто нибудь может помочь?
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[22:32:36] xa4a: просто задай вопрос
[22:33:09] Ivan455: не работает экземпляр Event
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chan='#testtest'
event=Event('pubmsg','*!*@*',chan)

[22:34:32] xa4a: ты что-то делаешь не так
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[22:37:38] Tony: кому нужен этот irclib?
[22:38:26] Ivan455: вот код клиента
[22:38:28] Ivan455: http://dumpz.org/64190/
[22:40:03] Ivan455: причем add_global_handler('pubmsg',_callback)
[22:40:08] Ivan455: работает
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[22:50:04] xa4a: никто не знает, что в твоём понимании значит не работает
[22:50:27] Ivan455: обработчик не вызывается
[22:50:57] xa4a: а всё остальное работает? соединяется, джойнится, понгает?
[22:51:02] Ivan455: да
[22:51:28] xa4a: значит проблема или в библиотеке, или в определении ивента
[22:51:41] Ivan455: работает если на прямую указать 'pubmsg' или 'privmsg'
[22:52:00] xa4a: значит ивент как-то не так определяется
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[22:57:42] Ivan455: вот хелп по этому классу http://dumpz.org/64191/
[23:00:37] xa4a: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/IRC-on-a-Higher-Level/2/
[23:00:40] xa4a: $20
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[23:02:35] xa4a: а почему ты решил, что можно подписываться на ивент с помощью инстанса этого класса?
[23:03:06] xa4a: ты при подписке первым аргументом даёшь строку
[23:03:13] xa4a: а в колбеке уже разруливаешь, что за ивент
[23:03:16] xa4a: похоже
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[23:06:19] Ivan455: в этом примере нет экземпряра Event
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[23:08:07] Ivan455: да, не так понял хелп к add_global_handler
[23:08:37] Ivan455: я думал что первый аргумент - экземпляр Event
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