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[00:02:30] Tony: регистратор как-то к сертификату относится или нет? если я тупо зайду на rapidssl.com и куплю там?
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[00:28:05] xa4a: Ivan455: чтение мануала вслух: $20
[00:29:01] Ivan455: как лучше перевести?
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[06:20:24] gf: кто заюзал google+?
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[07:22:15] gf: соц.сеть от гугл
[07:22:50] gf: Видимо Брина жаба давит...
[07:23:18] gf: он даже сам участвует в разработке
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[08:10:56] Tony: интересно, они бабло ртом и жопой собираются потреблять?
[08:12:12] Tony: посмотрел демку. пиздец же
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[08:14:46] Tony: пиздец задачка. нотацию в файле поменять с wordWordWord на word_word_word
[08:14:55] Tony: для функций и методов
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[09:01:26] wiz: Tony, реплейс регексповый ('([a-z])([A-Z])', '\1_\2') или как там оно
[09:02:09] Tony: wiz, да уже сделал что-то типа того
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[11:32:15] wiz_: http://schmichael.com/files/schmongodb/Scaling%20with%20MongoDB%20%28with%20notes%29.pdf Schmongo is web scale.
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[12:03:58] stanislav.pugachev: вопрос про орм. почему внезапно у меня один запрос выполняется с INNER JOIN вместо LEFT OUTTER JOIN
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[12:04:11] stanislav.pugachev: как вообще определяется какой JOIN произойдет
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[12:08:19] stanislav.pugachev: и можно ли как то принудительно заставить делать left?
[12:08:26] stanislav.pugachev: народ, спасайте
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[12:09:26] wiz_: 1) зачем?
[12:09:42] wiz_: 2) кого заставить?
[12:10:06] stanislav.pugachev: 1) потому что INNER отбрасывает много записей
[12:10:10] stanislav.pugachev: 2) ORM заставит
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[12:10:14] stanislav.pugachev: заставить
[12:10:16] wiz_: что за orm?
[12:10:31] stanislav.pugachev: о О всмысле )
[12:11:16] wiz_: в прямом
[12:11:25] stanislav.pugachev: тот самый который object-relational mapping
[12:11:37] wiz_: сотни их
[12:11:44] wiz_: какой именно у тебя?
[12:12:07] stanislav.pugachev: у меня Djnago
[12:13:24] gf: Шняго? :)
[12:14:37] gf: stanislav.pugachev: как запрос выполняешь?
[12:16:27] Typhon: гг, вот и зачем пользоваться ОРМами, если думать в терминах sql приходится?
[12:16:37] Typhon: да ещё и фиксить орм, чтобы он правильный sql выдавал?
[12:16:39] Typhon: где профит?
[12:16:49] wiz_: Typhon, зачем думать в терминах SQL?
[12:16:50] Typhon: лучше уж комбинаторы для построения sql'а написать
[12:16:54] Typhon: ну вон чувак думает
[12:17:01] wiz_: ССЗБ
[12:17:01] Typhon: жойн ему не тот
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[12:26:51] stanislav.pugachev__: кто меня кикнул )
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[12:29:05] stanislav.pugachev_: запрос выполняется qs.extra(select=..., tables=[...], where=[...])
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[12:30:50] stanislav.pugachev_: в django/db/models/sql/query.py вроде бы есть метод join который в зависимости от параметров подставляет нужный JOIN но судя по тому что он получается connection параметром то это тоже кдето внутри происходит )
[12:31:02] Typhon: эм, а где тут орм вообще?
[12:31:04] stanislav.pugachev_: получается=получает
[12:31:47] stanislav.pugachev_: ну cursor.execute(query) я не делаю
[12:31:53] stanislav.pugachev_: как бы напрямую
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[12:39:35] cutwater: народ, щас будет собеседование, что можно у человека спросить по джанге
[12:39:54] Tony: http://i027.radikal.ru/1106/70/98a91e6b95a0.jpg
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[12:40:48] stanislav.pugachev_: спроси его как inner на louter поменять)
[12:40:51] stanislav.pugachev_: може он знает
[12:41:16] Typhon: cutwater: што писал, почему джанга, что использовал из стандартного жанго набора, что не использовал, почему, какие сторонние аппы пользовал, почему
[12:41:38] Tony: cutwater, я бы по моделям подрочил. потом по протоколам. 70% не знают что такое wsgi. 80% собеседующихся не знают что такое сессия.
[12:41:58] cutwater: ок
[12:42:04] stanislav.pugachev_: ну вы злые ваще
[12:42:10] stanislav.pugachev_: звери )
[12:42:10] Typhon: mvc + mtv
[12:42:42] Typhon: почему код пишется во вьюхах и моделях с темплейтами, что можно куда выносить, что не надо %)
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[12:43:28] cutwater: Tony: по протоколам что имеешь ввиду?
[12:43:42] Tony: cutwater, хотябы чем http 1.0 от 1.1 отличается. :)
[12:43:59] cutwater: :-D
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[12:44:29] Tony: я на полном серьезе.
[12:45:14] cutwater: вопрос зачем оно ему надо?
[12:45:16] Typhon: rfc 5514 ^_^
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[12:45:27] Typhon: просто лучше про хттп спроси
[12:45:55] Typhon: и как ваще чо работает, с того момента как чувак нажал на ссылку в гугле до того момента, как увиде на своём экране голые сисьски с джанго сайта
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[12:46:16] cutwater: просто я кроме постоянных соединений отличий не помню
[12:46:25] cutwater: Typhon: а вот это интересно =)
[12:47:00] Typhon: ты соот-но узнаешь что он вообще знает, от того, насколько подробно он будет описывать
[12:47:05] cutwater: угу ок
[12:47:06] Typhon: (в сетевых делах)
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[12:49:09] wiz_: Как програмно сделать from .. import .. ?
[12:49:16] wiz_: from foo.bar.baz import Whatever
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[12:49:46] wiz_: а то getattr(модуль, 'whatever') как-то непонятно работает - то да, то нет.
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[12:51:15] Typhon: >>> p = __import__('os.path', fromlist='os')
>>> p
<module 'posixpath' from '/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/posixpath.pyc'>
[12:51:53] Typhon: типа from os import path
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[12:53:50] xa4a: спросить про мидлвари
[12:53:59] xa4a: про профайлинг
[12:54:03] wiz_: Typhon, а больше уровней если?
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[12:54:57] wiz_: вот ещё какая-то шляпа http://docs.python.org/library/importlib.html
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[12:56:58] xa4a: http://paste.in.ua/2671/
[12:56:59] Typhon: она моднее, по идее
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[12:58:07] cutwater: import_string еще есть из werkzeug
[12:59:07] wiz_: что-то мне вообще разонравилась импортить в рантайме
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[13:19:10] Darth Лис: кто нибудь знает, в этом кинотеатре в одессе http://planeta-kino.com.ua/odessa/theatres/planeta-odessa/ на каком языке фильмы идут?
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[13:19:50] Typhon: я бы предположил, что на русском, раз названия на русском %)
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[13:23:20] xa4a: imax бывают на украинском?
[13:24:15] gigimon: Typhon: плохо предположил
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[13:24:20] gigimon: у нас называют на русском, а фильмы на украинском
[13:24:25] gigimon: xa4a: а почему не быть?
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[13:24:52] xa4a: gigimon: не припоминаю фильмов таких. но может и есть, да
[13:25:04] xa4a: Darth Лис: позвонить/написать и узнать
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[13:25:33] gigimon: xa4a: у меня просто imax нету, но 3д на украинском
[13:25:37] gigimon: хотя может оно imax 3d
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[13:30:52] Darth Лис: Язык дублирования украинский
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[15:56:47] wiz_: !wtf regroup
[15:57:07] wiz_: да, опять спрашивают (=
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[17:02:15] wiz_: а что трушнее писать в setup.py - setuptools или distutils?
[17:02:17] wiz_: или я что-то путаю вообще?
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[18:15:25] webninja: привет
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[18:17:27] webninja: блин хотел спросить, полез код копировать и нашел ошибку ) ну щаз все равно найду
[18:17:34] webninja: о чем вопрос задать
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[18:19:54] gigimon: все гугл+ посмотрели?
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[18:23:43] Typhon: ytn
[18:23:47] Typhon: нет, вышли инвайт ^____^
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[18:24:42] gigimon: выслал, но единственное где я нашел пригласить, гвоорит что пока нельзя)
[18:24:48] gigimon: хотя народ рассылает как-то
[18:24:54] gigimon: там смотрет ьнечего
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[18:26:23] gigimon: нет инвайтов :(
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[18:36:06] Typhon: нет
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[18:36:38] xa4a: загрузилось чего-то, не сразу..
[18:36:43] xa4a: и доксы целый день тупят
[18:36:55] xa4a: это всё вы со своими видеочятиками в плюсе)
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[18:39:31] gigimon: да фигня этот гугл+
[18:39:41] gigimon: красиво, но бесполезно
[18:39:49] gigimon: видеоконфа единственный люс
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[18:54:20] webninja: дайте инвайт на гугл плюс
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[19:13:13] xa4a: на хахабре дают
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[19:18:51] webninja: ладно подожду
[19:18:54] webninja: прям всем дают?
[19:18:58] webninja: помогите
[19:19:01] webninja: http://dumpz.org/64383/
[19:19:17] webninja: чето со схемой урлов не могу разобраться вроде все правильно. уже и так и так пробовал
[19:19:20] Typhon: дайте инвайт на хабр тогда :D
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[19:22:16] gigimon: webninja: а джанга 1.2+?
[19:23:18] gigimon: может твой url не умеет такой синтаксис?
[19:24:34] webninja: 1.3
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[19:25:39] webninja: мля я вот думаю может нельзя так (r'', include('main.urls', namespace='main', app_name='main')),
[19:26:02] webninja: если в урле news/ он же тоже по идее может эту схему применить? или нет? нэймспейс то другой.
[19:26:19] webninja: как бы нэймспейс я уже потом прописал думал может заработает
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[19:31:59] gigimon: проверь reverse в консоли
[19:32:18] webninja: ща
[19:34:02] webninja: бля
[19:34:06] webninja: я факин ниггер
[19:34:24] webninja: def all-news(request):
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[19:36:22] webninja: ооо ништяк, пара ошибок еще была из-за невнимательности ) gigimon, спасибо, разморочил )
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[19:36:53] gigimon: )
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[19:37:18] webninja: лориен буквально недавно показал как консолью орудовать manage.py shell
[19:37:31] gigimon: функции называй с _, а не -
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[19:37:45] gigimon: webninja: О_О в туториале ж про нее написано
[19:37:47] gigimon: что есть такая
[19:38:08] webninja: да я чето внимания не обращал, думал вывода жанги достаточно
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[19:39:56] webninja: в туториале наверняка есть еще много всего о чем я не знаю. пока что.
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[20:09:32] cutwater: как тонко намекнуть представительнице слабого пола, что ее попытки творчества в фотошопе и выставление его на показ - это пиздец... ?
[20:09:48] gigimon: так и сказать
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[20:13:24] xa4a: пусть отправит в бизнес-линч
[20:14:01] cutwater: :-D
[20:14:46] Typhon: если ты с ней спишь или собираешься спать — терпеть, ггг
[20:15:30] webninja: может она импрессионистка
[20:15:31] cutwater: :-D
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[20:16:01] webninja: картины ван гога тоже не были в цене при его жизни
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[20:59:58] Tony: cherokee хорош, когда ты его не используешь.
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[21:06:32] gigimon: Tony: чем тебе чероки не нравится?
[21:06:44] Typhon: чероки стрёмный, ага
[21:06:45] Tony: если серьезно, то всем.
[21:06:54] gigimon: /me непонимает
[21:07:01] Typhon: издалека клёвый был, а в деле как-то плохо себя проявил
[21:07:03] Tony: он заебись когда ты потыкал в красивую панель управления, закрыл его и лучше удалил.
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[21:07:08] Tony: Typhon, +100500
[21:07:08] gigimon: ну хз
[21:07:15] gigimon: у меня вон работает уже полгода
[21:07:21] gigimon: нормально, не падает, не течет
[21:07:25] gigimon: свою работу выполняет
[21:07:32] Tony: вот щас где-то uwsgi валит ошибку. ошибку не посмотреть.
[21:07:40] gigimon: хотя думаю из-за молодости функционала ему может не хватить в сложных задачах
[21:07:42] Typhon: gigimon: а за черокой кто?
[21:07:46] Tony: и не узнать. я дрочу опять эту гуевую хуйню
[21:08:17] gigimon: php через fastcgi, uwsgi, flup, и что-то что держит RoR
[21:09:03] gigimon: Tony: а как у uwsgi ваще ошибку посмотреть под другим сервером
[21:09:25] gigimon: у меня ошибка не показывалась, но и ошибку выводил не чероки, а uwsgi
[21:09:34] gigimon: поэтому думал, что проблема все же в uwsgi
[21:09:40] gigimon: трейсбек джанги например не показывал
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[21:14:22] Tony: логично чтобы он хоть нормально показывал что выдает uwsgi
[21:14:43] Tony: а так software hatelist: cherokee, uwsgi, sentry, redis, windows
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[21:15:27] Tony: кстати у чироки еще фича есть gateway timeout никогда не узнаешь в каком процессе и в каком хандлере. это пиздец охуеть какая фишка
[21:15:53] wiz: а сентри с редисом за что туда попали?
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[21:16:14] Tony: sentry заебись когда у тебя хомпейдж
[21:16:42] Tony: wiz, с 1.3 его юзал?
[21:16:51] Tony: про редис рассказывал уже кажется.
[21:16:57] Tony: год назад тестили чуть больше мб
[21:17:03] Tony: неадекватно вел себя под нагрузками
[21:18:18] Typhon: что за sentry?
[21:18:22] wiz: а когда sentry не заебись?
[21:18:39] wiz: дискус вон его юзает
[21:19:01] Tony: хз как они его юзают. но конкретно заебали бесконечные вызовы если вдруг ошибка в sentry
[21:19:22] Tony: во вторых последний апгрейд на 1.3 это был пиздец
[21:19:34] Tony: ./manage.py migrate sentry выполнить нельзя. это был вообще лол
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