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[01:08:10] _lorien: может на джангодаше чо-нить для битбакета замутить или для bucket&github
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[03:41:38] kwis: хотел бы попросить проконсультировать по Django-cms. Если конкретнее то с меню не могу разобраться, не знаю что писать в шаблон menu.html нет ни у кого каких-нибудь примеров?
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[07:31:23] Lispython: гринлеты использует кто?
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[14:05:34] gigimon: кто-нить в курсе мелкой либы для работы с icq?
[14:06:03] cutwater: twisted.words ?
[14:06:16] cutwater: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/111263/
[14:06:21] cutwater: ссылки тама
[14:06:25] cutwater: py-icq, nanoicq
[14:06:46] gigimon: спс
[14:06:51] gigimon: nanoicq чет сайт не але :(
[14:07:20] gigimon: а твистед тяжел для целей
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[15:25:53] denplis: а можно узнать в теле функции, от куда сама функция была вызвана?
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[16:54:58] klollely: _lorien: про ООП и питон есть книги?
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[17:00:03] denplis: http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_Python_2.6
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[17:02:04] klollely: denplis: это как бы и есть про ООП?
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[17:02:28] denplis: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5
[17:02:30] Typhon: klollely: что тебе про "ооп" нужно?
[17:02:37] klollely: мм
[17:02:42] Typhon: !wtf tutorial
[17:02:46] klollely: что это такое, я не совсем понимаю
[17:02:50] Typhon: klollely: ^^ прочитал уже
[17:03:02] denplis: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5
[17:03:03] Typhon: зачем тебе питон тогда, почему не смолток?
[17:03:29] klollely: я хочу с джангой работать
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[17:05:05] inlanger: Привет, кто-то может организовать полнотекстовый поиск на django сайте за деньги? )
[17:05:10] klollely: ага, спсб. пока пеп8 дочитываю...
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[17:07:41] slav0nic: inlanger, наверно такие огромные деньги, что самом за них лень делать )
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[17:08:50] klollely: denplis: смотри. как втиснуть написание по-русски в питон? только транслит?
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[17:09:32] Typhon: да блядь
[17:09:40] klollely: шо))
[17:09:53] denplis: >>> test = "тест"
>>> test
'\xd1\x82\xd0\xb5\xd1\x81\xd1\x82'
>>> print test
тест
в чем проблемы?
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[17:10:16] klollely: в джанге не получилось... там тока из шаблона все норм
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[17:10:58] klollely: или как правильно)) темплейтс типа
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[17:12:34] denplis: djbook.ru
[17:12:41] klollely: ок
[17:12:53] denplis: там правда по 1.0
[17:13:17] klollely: там вроде это не разбирается
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[17:13:34] klollely: у меня книга есть по джанге
[17:13:49] klollely: она перевод джанги бук ен от апресс
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[17:13:56] Typhon: klollely: http://fantbooks.ru/load/aleksej_pekhov_dzhanga_s_tenjami/6-1-0-155 эта?
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[17:15:31] klollely: Typhon: у тебя винда?
[17:15:55] Typhon: сейчас — макось
[17:15:55] denplis: :D
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[17:17:58] klollely: c eclipse\pydev кто связывался?
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[17:24:41] denplis: зачем оно тебе?
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[17:25:34] klollely: как-то нано гнусен вроде для кодинга
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[17:26:15] denplis: возьми kate
[17:26:22] klollely: кеды
[17:26:25] klollely: у меня гном
[17:26:29] denplis: или vim, но kate проще
[17:26:38] denplis: jinja ?
[17:26:40] slav0nic: да, пиши в нотепаде он ещё проще
[17:27:03] klollely: при чем тут проще
[17:27:16] slav0nic: а в чём +кейта?)
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[17:27:32] denplis: это не nano
[17:27:50] slav0nic: но и не pydev)
[17:28:10] denplis: впомнил, geany
[17:28:16] slav0nic: GSoC – Kate Code Folding

дальше можно не читать)
[17:28:37] klollely: jinja - не то
[17:29:03] denplis: geany
[17:29:08] denplis: я названия перепутал
[17:29:34] Typhon: никто не упомянул до сих пор emacs
[17:29:39] Typhon: охуели совсем! $)
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[17:29:57] slav0nic: ))
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[17:30:16] slav0nic: люблю я когда кто-то спрашивает про редактор/ide под питон) каждый кулик...
[17:30:20] klollely: да-да, лисп и прочее. лучше тогда вим поюзать
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[17:31:14] inlanger: если кто надумает - инфа по оплате http://www.free-lance.ru/projects/?pid=803425
[17:31:18] slav0nic: вим может неплохо демотивировать на старте, если человек далёк от линуксов)
[17:31:33] klollely: я 4 года с линем дружу
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[17:32:03] klollely: slav0nic: сам что используешь?
[17:32:03] slav0nic: inlanger, (Данная функция доступна только пользователям с аккаунтом)
не волнуйся, на фф много студентов таджиков, они запилят)
[17:32:13] slav0nic: klollely, wing ide
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[17:32:29] slav0nic: pro 4
[17:32:35] klollely: ок
[17:33:16] Сволота: для kate свои подсветки запиливать легче
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[17:34:27] denplis: klollely: sublime text 2
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[17:35:22] klollely: винг платная
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[17:36:21] klollely: denplis: мм?
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[17:37:01] denplis: http://www.sublimetext.com/2
https://github.com/squ1b3r/Django4ST2 - поставишь вот этот плагин, будут тебе автодополнения, как в textmate
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[17:38:17] klollely: он тоже платный
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[17:39:37] denplis: если не заплатишь, будет иногда появляться табличка, "не хотите купить", и только
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[19:02:45] _lorien: хз чо на даше делать, кому-нить нужна какая-нить аппа?
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[19:09:11] огыешсук: _lorien: да, сделай универсальный платёжный интерфейс, умеющий для начала пайпал, пайпроглобал и плимус
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[19:10:32] gigimon: _lorien: а на джанго дэш разве аппу можно? я думал ток сайт-севис
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[19:13:37] bobry-: за два дня можно и не успеть
[19:13:45] bobry-: gigimon: можно и аппу, там же написано в правилах
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[19:25:31] Typhon: _lorien: мини "сервис" — "Одолжи книгу". пользователи выставляют доступные книжки, которые у них есть, и могут всатавать на очереди на "почитать". с указанием сроков и т.д. + статистика, дальше додумывай. актуально для офисов, или студентов в общаге/группе. то есть желательно аппа развёртывающаяся %)
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[19:27:50] _lorien: нафиг пайпалы и т.д. - неинтересно
[19:28:10] _lorien: А, ну у меня была идея сделать сайт по продаже бу книг.
[19:28:24] _lorien: но не на джанго даше, а просто
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[19:29:42] Typhon: про "почитать" интереснее, кмк %)
[19:30:12] Darth Лис: _lorien: я вот тоже о таком размышлял как-то
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[19:30:27] Darth Лис: непонятно как контролировать юзеров в этом смысле
[19:30:35] Darth Лис: послали ли он книгу на самом деле
[19:30:42] Darth Лис: получил ли другой книгу на самом деле
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[19:31:33] Darth Лис: хотя первую проблему можно решить просто, надо что бы книгу для продажи отправили сервису, а он уже потом сам пошлёт её куды надо
[19:31:33] Typhon: поэтому надо легко разворачиваемый сервис, который можно поставить локально небольшой группе людей
[19:31:46] _lorien: Это их проблемы. Моя задача дать удобный инструмент быстро описать то, что я хочу продать.
[19:32:04] Darth Лис: _lorien: но бабло же через тебя идёт
[19:32:11] _lorien: А тут уже варианты: например вбиваю название, а всё остальное сервис вытягивает с books.ru и других мазагов или ISBN код
[19:32:15] Darth Лис: значит ты несёшь ответственность
[19:32:23] _lorien: Нет, не через меня, я просто показываю у кого что есть.
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[19:32:37] Darth Лис: а, ну дак это не "продажа"
[19:32:37] _lorien: Я для рашки хочу
[19:32:39] Darth Лис: это обмен
[19:33:00] _lorien: Ну хз, короче, могут меняться или продавать, но это они уже сами мутят, я просто как витрина.
[19:33:05] Darth Лис: в итогде я фолбэкнулся до этой мысли тоже (::
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[20:51:10] klollely: народ, что по вашему лучше и т.п.. битбакет вс гитхаб?
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[20:52:53] _lorien: nikon или canon?
[20:53:05] _lorien: linux или macos или windows?
[20:53:12] nmk: windows!
[20:53:15] nmk: все говно!
[20:53:24] _lorien: xbox или ps?
[20:53:31] nmk: ps
[20:53:40] klollely: _lorien: почему битбакет выбрал?
[20:53:41] огыешсук: _lorien: nikon, linux, xbox
[20:53:46] _lorien: java или .net?
[20:53:52] nmk: .net
[20:53:58] _lorien: klollely: потому что меркуриал
[20:53:58] огыешсук: _lorien: same shit
[20:54:01] nmk: и svn!!!
[20:54:17] nmk: а то взяли моду меркуриал
[20:54:19] nmk: свн
[20:54:34] nmk: и что бы на всю комнату кричать "я мержусь, не комитьте"
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[20:55:26] klollely: nmk: чем свн нравится?
[20:56:51] nmk: ээ. я наоборот за svn
[20:56:58] nmk: это тут все, меркуриал, гит
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[20:57:03] slav0nic: фу бля мержи в свн пиздец какойго)
[20:57:20] _lorien: нахууй нужен свн, можно просто по ftp заливать
[20:57:24] slav0nic: ))
[20:57:28] _lorien: просто не лить в одно время
[20:57:32] nmk: _lorien: ftp пора взорвать
[20:57:35] klollely: ха-ха
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[20:57:51] nmk: rcs
[20:57:53] nmk: а то svn
[20:58:08] slav0nic: мне надавно один тоже писал, переходит с hg+trac на гитхаб
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[20:58:18] slav0nic: ибо социальненько
[20:58:57] klollely: так трек - эт же морда
[20:59:03] _lorien: да hg+trac прошлый век, имхо
[20:59:23] _lorien: конечно я не спорю, для монстров типа джанги удобнее свой репо настроенный
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[20:59:30] _lorien: свой трак, я имею в виду
[20:59:36] slav0nic: ок, настрой мне на битбаскете eol модуль тот же, и синхронизацию с гитхабом через хук
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[20:59:59] slav0nic: +тикеты на битбаскете прошлый век)
[21:00:27] _lorien: да, там отстойный багтрекер
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[21:00:29] slav0nic: +ничто не мешает брать патчи с форком на зеркале репа на бб
[21:00:34] slav0nic: ну так чё
[21:00:45] slav0nic: а если я хочу ещё билдбота там или ещё чё
[21:00:52] slav0nic: bitten всё хочу зюзать
[21:00:55] _lorien: slav0nic: это ты кому пишешь?
[21:01:01] slav0nic: тебе)
[21:01:20] _lorien: так я тоже считаю, что для большого проекта или если что-то надо типа того, что ты написал, то битбакет не подходит
[21:01:26] _lorien: это очевидно, зачем ты мне это пишешь? )
[21:01:38] nmk: ну баги на гитхабе тоже же ужас какой-то был
[21:01:39] nmk: не?
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[21:02:00] _lorien: а для маленьких проектов битбакет норм, если не надо особенных требований
[21:02:00] klollely: slav0nic: что такое хук?
[21:02:01] Darth Лис: сейчас чуть полутшее стало
[21:02:02] slav0nic: _lorien, так ты ж написал что трек лайно)
[21:02:05] Darth Лис: но не грандиозно лучше
[21:02:07] slav0nic: klollely, боковой удар
[21:02:08] _lorien: хук - это когда по морде бьют
[21:02:16] klollely: бля
[21:02:17] Darth Лис: nmk: это я тебе
[21:02:19] slav0nic: ) у дураков мысли сходятся
[21:02:20] klollely: я серьезно
[21:02:23] _lorien: :D
[21:02:26] nmk: Darth Лис: я понял, да.
[21:02:29] slav0nic: klollely, это то что дёргается по событию, напрмиер коммиту
[21:02:42] klollely: спсб
[21:02:54] slav0nic: например захотел ты проверять пушащийся код на пеп8 или чтоб в бранче не было веток
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[21:03:23] _lorien: slav0nic: я не помню чо писал про трек, я имею в виду, что битбакет это прикольно в силу своей социальности :) но просто для наколенных поделок без особых требований можно и нужно юзать бакет
[21:03:44] _lorien: вот например я не знаю, зачем пиранья юзает отдельный hg репозиторий, что ему это даёт
[21:04:05] Darth Лис: частично уже не юзает
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[21:10:25] slav0nic: никто не в курсе в mysqldb никак нельзя
чтоб c.execute("SELECT id FROM xx )
не ((1,), (2,) ...) возвращало, а (1, 2 ...)
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[21:11:37] levsha: в нормальных субд можно нарисовать агрегат и вернуть массив. В mysql вряд ли
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[21:12:07] levsha: в любом случае один тупл с перечисленными полями не получится - это получается что из запроса не понятно сколько полей в результате будет
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[21:14:28] klollely: шот думаю, не отказаться ли от мускускла в пользу постгри, варианты?
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[21:14:57] slav0nic: отказаться
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[21:15:09] slav0nic: только не всегда субд выбирает девелопер)
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[21:21:06] Darth Лис: точно точно, mongodb FTW! :D
[21:21:08] klollely: ок
[21:21:32] klollely: mongodb django не тянет
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[21:26:55] slav0nic: не сказал бы что джанга на 100% юзает возможности субд)
[21:27:04] Darth Лис: может быть этот http://mongoengine.org/ потянет
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[21:27:13] slav0nic: особенно кумарит уровень поддержки постгреса, до сих пор fts не вкрутили
[21:27:20] Lispython: файлы юзать :-)
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[21:30:21] Darth Лис: slav0nic: куда? в django ORM?
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[21:38:31] slav0nic: Darth Лис, да
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[21:40:09] klollely: набрел на книгу HTML_i_XHTML._Podrobnoje_rukovodstvo._6-je_izdanije._Chak_Mussiano__Bill_Kennedi.pdf . норм? или другую какую...
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[21:42:28] klollely: _lorien: по яваскрипуту какие книги посоветуешь?
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[22:05:29] Lispython: # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
vs
# coding: utf-8
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[22:05:56] slav0nic: Lispython, пох
[22:06:16] Lispython: slav0nic, соцопрос :-)
[22:06:40] slav0nic: я раньше 2й юзал тк чёт -*- не мог запомнить :P
[22:07:13] Lispython: а потом запомнил и стал юзать первый ? :-D
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[22:22:51] xa4a: Lispython: первый. какая разница, какой запоминать, если есть автозамена с coding, например?
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[22:23:41] Lispython: xa4a, да я себе вообще снипет зевел, и не парюсь
[22:23:48] Lispython: ну вот столкнулся
[22:24:02] Lispython: второй вариант-то тоже по пипу
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[22:31:11] xa4a: !wtf pep8
[22:32:19] xa4a: Lispython: по какому?
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[22:47:34] levsha: о! А можно каким-то хитрым заклинанием в коде включить поведение, аналогичное python -tt ?
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[22:49:49] bobry: это шо вообще?
[22:50:17] xa4a: -t : issue warnings about inconsistent tab usage (-tt: issue errors)

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[22:50:40] xa4a: levsha: echo "alias python='python -tt'" >> ~/.profile
[22:50:53] xa4a: в коде, вроде, нельзя
[22:51:11] bobry: а в python3 выпилили видимо
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[22:51:27] xa4a: причиной этому может быть то, что -tt работает в момент парсинга кода, а код собсно - уже когда он отпаршен
[22:51:36] xa4a: которым бы ты включал -tt
[22:52:38] xa4a: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-June/013990.html
[22:52:40] xa4a: вот ещё
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[22:52:50] xa4a: в тройке включено по дефолту -tt
[22:53:08] levsha: xa4a: с alias вообще не в тему, потому как скрипты запускаются как ./file.py
[22:53:43] levsha: ну и вон в перле вполне есть use warnings, который аналог -w . Так что про парсин тоже не довод
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[22:54:17] levsha: а так понятно, переходить на третий
[22:54:43] levsha: он уже, кстати, не тормоз?
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[23:17:44] Tony: с munin кто работает?
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[23:20:53] levsha: он на перле, вообще то
[23:21:14] Tony: похуй на чем. я с ним заебался уже. хуй найдешь туториал как добавить ноду
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[23:23:15] levsha: тогда на #windows еще спроси
[23:23:57] Tony: нехуй ответить?
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[23:29:08] levsha: # fgrep -c '[Nodes;' /usr/local/etc/munin/munin.conf
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[23:29:21] levsha: Tony: а ты ебись дальше
[23:29:42] Tony: levsha, рекомендуешь?
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