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[00:12:30] xa4a: _lorien: что это за такие длинные письма? войныимир рассылаешь? может их никто не читает?
[00:12:42] xa4a: а вот как придумывать хорошие хостнеймы?
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[00:14:07] _lorien: никто не читает, сайт не вышел из стадии разработки ещё
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[00:14:15] _lorien: ну пока решили обрезать письма и показывать ссылку "смотреть все купоны"
[00:14:30] _lorien: есть сервисы, где люди придумывают имена
[00:14:36] _lorien: у меня вроде неплохо получается :D
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[00:14:40] Typhon: а сколько символов в "большом письме"
[00:14:50] Typhon: ?
[00:14:58] _lorien: да я щас не скажу :( устал, лень смотреть, честно говоря
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[00:16:47] deepwalker: _lorien пишет омскопон?
[00:17:01] _lorien: ?
[00:17:20] _lorien: чо такое омскопон? )
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[00:20:19] deepwalker: групон для омска
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[00:22:48] _lorien: нет, я такое не пишу )
[00:23:01] _lorien: у меня есть desconto.ru, но он щас находится в заторможенном состоянии
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[00:25:40] Tony: а есть тут кто с двух мониторов 5:4 пересаживался на широкоформатник?
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[00:35:35] xa4a: http://pirsquared.org/blog/2011/07/28/vim-ipython/ няшечка какая
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[00:36:00] Tony: совсем на распутье
http://www.nix.ru/autocatalog/lcd_dell/20_MONITOR_DELL_2007FP_BlackSilver_LCD_1600x1200_DVI_SVideo_USB2.0_67229.html - два вот таких 26к
http://www.nix.ru/autocatalog/lcd_samsung/23_MONITOR_Samsung_F2380_ABW_Black_LCD_Wide_1920x1080_2DVI_41480.html - или один вот такой 13к
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[11:57:04] _lorien: я забил )
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[12:36:53] _lorien: Есть что-нить готовое для россиской географии: области, главные города, побочные города?
[12:37:09] _lorien: Чтобы просто подключил аппу к джанго-проекту и готово.
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[12:40:09] Typhon: _lorien: https://bitbucket.org/maxp/django-kladr
[12:40:11] Typhon: что-нибудь в таком духе ищи
[12:40:16] Typhon: КЛАДР — ключевое слово
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[13:00:24] _lorien: да этот кладр здоровый
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[13:30:07] enchantner: а что, у нас jabber-конференции все-таки вытеснили irc-чаты? :)
[13:30:22] enchantner: а то на руснете на #python вообще тишина гробовая
[13:31:32] mishok13: руснет? бгыгы
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[13:32:12] enchantner: не, ну мне-то пофиг, просто в доках по твистеду первый пример - это irc-бот
[13:32:33] enchantner: ^_^
[13:32:43] Typhon: есть фринода, а остальное — не ирц, а цугундер какой-то, в основном
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[13:33:44] mishok13: потому что IRC очень простой протокол
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[13:34:13] mishok13: вообще, на фоне XMPP многие протоколы кажутся очень простыми :)
[13:34:25] enchantner: хм, я его мало ковырял
[13:34:35] enchantner: вроде там чуть ли не xml в основе
[13:35:07] enchantner: меня пиджин убивает тем, что он стрипит тэги из текста
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[13:38:30] mishok13: XML в основе, да
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[13:39:58] Сволота: XMPP сам по себе может и простой, но нихуя ненепонятный
[13:40:17] Сволота: /me както пытался читать спецификацию
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[13:45:21] enchantner: кто нихрена не понятный - это SMB
[13:45:33] enchantner: который первый
[13:45:41] enchantner: там убийство
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[14:07:07] enchantner: не посоветуете литературы по select/poll/epoll? Хочу вообще понять, с чем это едят и высоконагруженные системы на питоне
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[14:09:37] Typhon: enchantner: http://groups.google.com/group/fido7.ru.unix.prog/browse_thread/thread/44db58f70be988ad?pli=1
[14:09:45] Typhon: http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html
[14:10:07] enchantner: о, пасибки
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[14:11:26] Typhon: про edge triggered vs. level triggered тоже было как на русском, так и на английском
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[14:11:50] Typhon: бтв, нашёл вот, среди своих развалов http://metachris.org/2011/01/scaling-python-servers-with-worker-processes-and-socket-duplication/
[14:12:18] Typhon: http://gengnosis.blogspot.com/2007/01/level-triggered-and-edge-triggered.html
[14:12:21] enchantner: да мне без разницы)
[14:13:03] enchantner: спасибо)
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[14:16:04] Typhon: и ты зря забыл про WaitForMultipleObjects! ^_^
[14:18:01] enchantner: фу
[14:18:03] enchantner: :)
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[16:34:20] _lorien: prob18=: 3 : 0
max=.0
for_ix. i. 2^<:#y. do.
max=.max>.+/{.|: (0,+/\((<:#y.)#2)#:ix)|."0 1 y.
end.
max
)
программа на языке J
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[16:40:56] enchantner: брейнфак все равно круче
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[17:09:27] ink08@jabber.ru: всем привет, начал изучать django, заюзал mod_python.
[17:09:31] ink08@jabber.ru: упс
[17:09:43] enchantner: ыы
[17:09:43] Typhon: мод_питон умер и не существует
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[17:09:48] mishok13: правильно, именно что "упс"
[17:09:48] enchantner: сразу понятно все
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[17:09:50] enchantner: да
[17:10:09] enchantner: заюзай nginx+uwsgi
[17:10:23] mishok13: apache + mod_wsgi/nginx + uwsgi
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[17:10:50] ink08@jabber.ru: http://89.208.82.20:88/ghost/search/?q=qwe
попробуйте несколько раз получить страницу, иногда выдает 404 , а иногда нормально отдает.
в чем прикол?
[17:11:20] enchantner: в кэшировании
[17:12:14] ink08@jabber.ru: а кто кеширует
[17:12:38] ink08@jabber.ru: в браузере отключал кеш, в django отключал, для апача отедельно 88 порт вывел
[17:13:43] ink08@jabber.ru: а если 'q' менять, то все равно 404, либо 200
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[17:27:38] enchantner: через что запущен-то? через mod_python?
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[17:44:05] ink08@jabber.ru: enchantner: да, mod_python
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[17:44:21] enchantner: ну вот его во всем и вини
[17:44:30] ink08@jabber.ru: т.е. надо fcgi?
[17:44:42] enchantner: надо wsgi
[17:44:46] ink08@jabber.ru: а не, уже писали про mod_wsgi
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[17:44:58] enchantner: ну да, либо nginx+uwsgi
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[17:46:02] ink08@jabber.ru: кстати, а есть ли смысл включать в django кеширование, если кешем будет заниматься nginx ?
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[17:46:18] ink08@jabber.ru: а в django memcached
[17:46:38] enchantner: а что, у тебя такой высоконагруженный проект?
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[17:48:03] enchantner: если не особо - не заморачивайся
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[18:01:59] ink08@jabber.ru: да я так, для себя
[18:02:04] ink08@jabber.ru: для общего развития
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[18:02:59] ink08@jabber.ru: /me удалил mod_python
[18:03:16] ink08@jabber.ru: /me теперь не видит 404
[18:04:09] ink08@jabber.ru: хм, чуть пошустрее стало чтоли
[18:04:13] ink08@jabber.ru: всем спасибо
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[18:12:00] gigimon: и чего они все думают юзать mod_python?
[18:12:03] gigimon: по аналогии с mod_php?
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[18:12:26] enchantner: да апач вообще не нужен
[18:12:46] xa4a: gigimon: да
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[18:13:08] gigimon: slav0nic: а ты еще на чероки живешь?
[18:14:03] slav0nic: угу
[18:14:15] slav0nic: лень переконфигуривать ) хотя работает и норм
[18:14:41] gigimon: понятно
[18:14:43] gigimon: я вот тоже
[18:14:47] gigimon: полгода полет нормальный
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[18:15:47] slav0nic: в принципе норм если не смотреть в код админки)
[18:16:42] gigimon: :D
[18:16:51] gigimon: ну я админку не думал переписывать, поэтому покатит
[18:17:04] gigimon: slav0nic: ты случаем рассылку не посещаешь7
[18:17:17] gigimon: ихнюю
[18:17:22] gigimon: давно чет не было обновлений
[18:17:36] slav0nic: не, давно не читал
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[18:24:06] slav0nic: gigimon, автор в ирц обитает, можешь его пнуть на сию тему
[18:24:30] gigimon: да вроде коммиты есть)
[18:24:35] gigimon: может 1.3 готовят
[18:24:47] gigimon: по 1.2 они чуть ли не каждые 2 недели релизились
[18:24:48] slav0nic: в реп вроде коммитит
[18:24:51] slav0nic: ага
[18:25:00] gigimon: от вчера последний коммит
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[21:19:51] rolan1986: добрый вечер
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[21:20:24] rolan1986: питонеры есть?
[21:20:56] d1ffuz0r: интересный вопрос :D
[21:20:59] rolan1986: и молчат )
[21:21:14] gigimon: ты вопрос задай
[21:21:45] rolan1986: ребят, не пинайтесь. я сисадмин, а не программер, и с программированием сталкиваюсь только на уровне небольших скриптов
[21:21:54] gigimon: да ты спрашивай уже
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[21:22:48] rolan1986: а вопрос такой - ковыряю питон, ну под никсами не пошел, нужный функционал не обеспечивает
[21:23:11] gigimon: чего чего?
[21:23:16] rolan1986: а вот сейчас появилась задача сварганить под винды программу, которая качает с сервера xml
[21:23:20] gigimon: какой он тебе функционал не обеспечил под никсами
[21:23:22] rolan1986: и творит с ней всякое
[21:23:29] gigimon: ну и в чем проблема?
[21:23:35] gigimon: urllib+lxml тебе в помощь
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[21:24:25] rolan1986: а, так давайте в дебри лезть не буду - в-общес snmp с длинками мы юзать не стали
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[21:25:14] rolan1986: писал скрипт для сбора mac-адресов и ip-шников для dhcp, скорость работы не порадовала
[21:25:19] rolan1986: ну это не суть
[21:25:24] rolan1986: я по любому не прав )))
[21:25:37] gigimon: ближе к вопросу
[21:26:38] rolan1986: а вот по поводу винды - нужен gui, так вот смотрю какую ide выбрать
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[21:26:49] gigimon: тебе ide или gui?
[21:26:56] gigimon: и как ide к gui относится? :)
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[21:27:56] rolan1986: в идеале нужен следующий функционал - обработка xml и загрузка html данных (в которых содержатся формы) - нужно прикрутить обработку нажатия на кнопки формы
[21:27:59] rolan1986: это реально?
[21:28:14] rolan1986: Нужен пользовательский интерфейс
[21:28:22] rolan1986: вот и спрашиваю в чем его клепать
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[21:34:34] d1ffuz0r: про нажатие кнопок на форме было на форуме, вроде в теме про парсер в 1000 потоков
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[21:35:12] d1ffuz0r: или 1000страниц в секунду
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[21:38:25] rolan1986: посоветуйте ide, смотрю в сторону pyqt, но не уверен. 1000 страниц в секунду не нужно, просто необходимо отреагировать на нажатие кнопки в html содержимом. Вообще html не принципиален, интересует больше среда разработки и xml, ну и внешний вид приложения
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[21:39:56] gigimon: rolan1986: да что ты от ide хочешь?
[21:40:03] gigimon: клепать как в дельфи интерфейс? такого нет
[21:40:10] rolan1986: вот
[21:40:19] gigimon: есть QtDesigner, который генерит .py с кодом
[21:40:37] gigimon: есть для wx что-то
[21:40:39] gigimon: и для гтк
[21:40:44] rolan1986: вот объясни мне этот момент
[21:41:10] gigimon: а на счет реальности - реально все
[21:41:20] rolan1986: последовательность какая? сначала пишу код, потом в qt интерфейс прикручиваю?
[21:41:27] gigimon: да как угодно
[21:41:28] rolan1986: что-то пока не увязывается
[21:41:33] gigimon: ты разберись сначала что и как ты делать хочешь
[21:41:37] gigimon: напиши сначала парсер
[21:42:04] gigimon: нажатие и заполнение формы на сайте - никакой интерфейс не нужен
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[21:42:46] gigimon: а что-то минимально вывести можно и в Tkinter
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[21:42:55] gigimon: 10 строк кода - интерфейс готов
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[21:44:44] rolan1986: спс, пошел курить Tkinter
[21:45:01] rolan1986: всем пока ) спасибо за разъяснения
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