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[12:30:55] ErshKUS: подскажите есть словари a1 и a2 надо добавить даные из словаря a2 в a1, но не a1=a2, т.к. данные в a1 нельзя замещать
[12:31:34] enchantner: a1.update(a2)
[12:31:37] nmk: a1.update(a2)
[12:31:42] ErshKUS: спасибо
[12:31:46] enchantner: уии, я первый
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[12:32:00] nmk: enchantner: я провреял. я все время путаю с extend на листах. :)
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[12:34:51] ErshKUS: странно
a1['id']=5
a1.update(a2)

а ключ id оказывается в середине, а не в начале. Это можно как то испрвавить?
[12:34:57] Typhon: чо?
[12:35:05] Typhon: в какой "середине"?
[12:35:15] Typhon: dict — неупорядоченная коллекция
[12:35:17] nmk: ErshKUS: ты б открыл доку
[12:35:21] Typhon: hash-таблицы, все дела
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[12:37:07] ErshKUS: да не мне иммено в словаре надо. но ладно, не сильно страшно
[12:38:00] Typhon: >_<
[12:38:13] gigimon: в словаре, порядок и ключи именные?
[12:38:24] gigimon: а тьфу
[12:38:28] gigimon: про ключи я тупанул :D
[12:38:35] gigimon: но порядок непонятно
[12:38:36] gigimon: зачем
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[12:39:24] ErshKUS: чтоб проверять удобнее было, но лано
[12:39:36] xa4a: sorted(d.items())
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[12:39:43] xa4a: но это только чтобы проверять
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[12:41:01] cutwater: утро господа
[12:41:24] cutwater: есть ли чо вкусного*
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[12:43:04] ErshKUS: видимо придется строку в ручную для json формировать, чтоб было в нужном мне порядке
[12:43:11] Typhon: ErshKUS: в словаре данные неупорядочены. то, в каком порядке итерация происходит или в каком виде дикт выводится на экран, — случайная, можно сказать, вещь. полагаться на такое нельзя.
[12:43:23] Typhon: объект в жс, емнип, тоже неупорядочен
[12:43:40] Typhon: A JSONObject is an unordered collection of name/value pairs.
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[12:44:14] Typhon: In JSON, they take on these forms:
An object is an unordered set of name/value pairs.

[12:44:34] Typhon: так что давай заканчивай с этим "нужном мне порядке", ErshKUS
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[12:46:07] gigimon: а зачем в словари порядок может понадобиться, если ты всеравно обращаешься к ключам обычно?
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[12:47:50] ErshKUS: странно а от стороннего сервера я получаю json в строгом порядке [{'id'.., 'licence',... и т.д.}], или они наверно тупо собирают нужную строку в ручную
[12:48:31] enchantner: /me фейспалмит
[12:48:42] gigimon: ErshKUS: какая разница?
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[12:48:49] gigimon: в каком порядке
[12:48:56] ErshKUS: ладно. забыли. я так заморачиваться ради красоты не буду
[12:49:19] cutwater: вместо словарей используйте списки господа
[12:49:21] cutwater: да
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[12:49:42] enchantner: или вообще классы
[12:50:15] cutwater: казалось бы при чем здесь классы если речь о сериализации
[12:50:31] enchantner: если речь идет о кастомизации
[12:50:37] mishok13: классы, json... DOES NOT COMPUTE
[12:50:40] enchantner: можно в классе сделать что угодно
[12:50:41] cutwater: да ладно
[12:50:48] enchantner: любой порядок
[12:50:57] cutwater: mishok13: я тут недавно писал копипасту велосипед на json pickle
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[15:41:44] ErshKUS: про связку python_cgi - apache - js можно тут спросить, или я тут ответа не получу?
[15:42:02] Typhon: python_cgi! маааать!
[15:42:22] ErshKUS: ??
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[15:43:16] ErshKUS: в смысле python в качестве cgi (api), или что не так?
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[15:47:21] enchantner: ErshKUS: жжошь
[15:47:25] cutwater: да вы ебанулись
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[15:47:36] cutwater: ErshKUS: на отличненько
[15:47:50] ErshKUS: блин, что не так?
[15:48:23] ErshKUS: а видел на python-e cgi, или что?
[15:48:55] Typhon: ErshKUS: ну ты спрашивай, бтв
[15:48:56] enchantner: лучше связка просто apache-js
[15:48:59] Typhon: там в топике написано
[15:48:59] enchantner: без питона
[15:49:20] cutwater: лучше и без apache и без js
[15:49:24] cutwater: и вообще закопать
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[15:52:30] ErshKUS: в общем так. сделал cgi на питоне, если в браузере набрать http://127.0.0.1:8088/search.py то все ок - текст есть
но если я это запрашиваю через js, то запрос идет (судя по firebug-у) и код ответа 200, вот только сам текст ответа пустой
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[15:52:53] ErshKUS: с другим url js работает нормально
[15:53:06] enchantner: чуваг
[15:53:12] ErshKUS: т.е. с ним вроде всё ок
[15:53:14] enchantner: заюзал бы хоть BaseHttpServer
[15:53:19] enchantner: но CGI???
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[15:55:07] cutwater: ErshKUS: вы страдаете отменной хуйней батенька
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[15:55:39] ErshKUS: cutwater: а альтернатива?
[15:56:05] cutwater: ErshKUS: wsgi ?
[15:56:05] enchantner: а в чем задача-то?
[15:56:27] ErshKUS: чтоб js получил ответ
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[15:56:51] enchantner: я не про то
[15:57:00] enchantner: для чего система изначально?
[15:57:09] enchantner: это сайт? интерфейс?
[15:57:13] enchantner: или что?
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[15:57:54] kostafey: js точно не ломает путь? Вообще странно.
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[16:00:15] ErshKUS: api для поисковика
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[16:04:21] kostafey: Вообще бы код в студию для успешного и не успешного обращения напосмотреть.
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[16:05:56] ErshKUS: вот сделал примитивный файлик textjs.py:
#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: utf8 -*-

print "Content-type: text/html; Charset=Utf-8\n"
print 'dd'
[16:06:10] ErshKUS: всё равно не работает
[16:06:41] ErshKUS: что интересно
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[16:07:58] kostafey: Код бы пастить через специальные сервисы лучше.
[16:07:59] ErshKUS: в консоли firebug-а появилась такая строка
GET http://10.0.6.90:8088/api/testjs.py 200 OK 62ms
[16:08:32] ErshKUS: помечена как ошибка
[16:08:46] kostafey: А под ней данные?
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[16:09:06] kostafey: Можно еще сам js-код?
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[16:14:04] ErshKUS: вот косоль firebug http://imageshack.us/f/856/errorcgi.png/
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[16:14:45] cutwater: ErshKUS: а что на вкладке ответ?
[16:14:54] ErshKUS: пусто
[16:15:06] cutwater: Content-Length 23
быть такого не может
[16:15:29] Typhon: код скрипта покажи
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[16:15:52] ErshKUS: js? ща
[16:16:42] Typhon: зачем жс, который ты запрашиваешь
[16:16:43] kostafey: Впечатление, что это ошибка в структуре самих выдаваемых данных.
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[16:17:02] cutwater: ну собственно вполне возомжно
[16:17:04] cutwater: *возможно
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[16:17:12] cutwater: надо щас глянуть
[16:17:31] cutwater: http://docs.python.org/library/cgi.html
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[16:18:04] cutwater: ErshKUS: а попробуй-ка заменить \n в первой строке и вставить пустой принт.
[16:18:06] cutwater: ну так поорать
[16:18:19] cutwater: не думаю что это хоть что-то изменит, но все же
[16:19:34] ErshKUS: cutwater: так же
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[16:20:02] kostafey: А js?
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[16:21:53] Typhon: показал бы уже код на paste.in.ua
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[16:22:50] ErshKUS: http://pastebin.com/hHdXNF1e - конфиг апача, ща js
[16:24:08] xa4a: а) в файрбаге тело ответа можно посмотреть
[16:24:20] xa4a: б) js не умеет кросс-доменно ходить без костылей
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[16:27:11] ErshKUS: вот js http://pastebin.com/pRzteTeX
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[16:27:52] ErshKUS: та закоментирована строка, если её раскоментировать а ниже закоментировать, то все работает
[16:29:24] ErshKUS: xa4a: а - смотрел, пусто
б - когда запрос на nominatim.openstreetmap.org - всё работает
[16:29:41] ErshKUS: т.е. косяк вроде как не в js
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[16:30:53] xa4a: должно быть не пусто
[16:31:15] xa4a: print "Content-type: text/html; Charset=Utf-8\n"
print 'dd'
[16:31:18] xa4a: что за \n?
[16:31:25] xa4a: \r\n же
[16:31:31] xa4a: ноэ. ты не хочешь делать cgi
[16:32:22] cutwater: он хочет делать cgi
[16:32:25] cutwater: =)_
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[16:33:04] ErshKUS: > должно быть не пусто
но это так, скриншот нать?
[16:34:14] ErshKUS: такое ощущение что браузер/js не дожидается текста ответа
[16:34:41] kostafey: А тупо путь в браузер вбить все работает?
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[16:34:47] ErshKUS: да
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[16:36:54] ErshKUS: я даже не знаю что еще проверить
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[16:38:09] ErshKUS: по логам апача, всё ок. search отдает информацию
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[16:41:41] ErshKUS: ну что скажите, доктора, что еще проверить. или идей больше нет?
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[16:42:53] denplis: Есть генерация csv из dataset, который в свою очередь получает данные из queryset, но из-за непростой структуры данных модели, генерация csv превышает максимально допустимое время на ответ. Как с этим быть?
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[16:45:52] Typhon: ErshKUS: тебе ж xa4a сказал, что с кроссдоменными запросами у жаваскрипта всё плохо
[16:46:53] xa4a: denplis: что за максимально допустимое время на ответ?
[16:47:01] Typhon: denplis: 1) увеличить время на ответ 2) очереди 3) держать соединение поллингом каким-нибудь
[16:47:04] xa4a: расширь допуск
[16:47:06] ErshKUS: просто nominatim.openstreetmap.org работает. а мой нифига
[16:47:22] xa4a: ErshKUS: смотри логи веб-сервера
[16:47:31] xa4a: попробуй другой браузер
[16:47:34] Typhon: и покажи уже скрипт свой
[16:47:45] ErshKUS: я же все показал
[16:47:50] Typhon: питоновский
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[16:48:05] ErshKUS: xa4a: в логах все прекрасно, все работает
[16:48:44] xa4a: я в js не спец, но это нормально ли? search.processResults = function(), а потом {search.processResults(this)}
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[16:49:29] ErshKUS: Typhon: выше писал, вот в удобном виде http://pastebin.com/p746qJfR
[16:49:47] xa4a: тут не 62 байта контент-ленгтс
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[16:50:05] xa4a: Content-Length 23

[16:50:23] xa4a: на твоём скриншоте
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[16:50:53] xa4a: хотя может это оно там gzip'ом так пожалось...
[16:51:09] ErshKUS: ну я хз, все показал как есть
[16:52:02] ErshKUS: по отдельности каждый элемент работает, а в месте ни в какую
[16:52:49] ErshKUS: какой то обрав происходит, вот почему
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[16:54:15] ErshKUS: 0.0
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[16:55:16] ErshKUS: можете меня котами закидать, надо было сразу проверить. в IE работает
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[16:56:07] ErshKUS: вот блин. пол дня убил
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[17:03:10] gigimon: товарищи, а как лучше запросить в 1 классе другой? так сказать расширить класс? наследование не катит, т.к. надо расширять экземпляр
[17:03:30] gigimon: запроксировать*
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[17:05:47] xa4a: подправить __bases__ ?
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[17:05:58] xa4a: а, __bases__ - у класса, не у инстанса
[17:07:10] xa4a: статически типизировщики тебя бы запинали уже
[17:07:55] xa4a: т.к. ты хочешь чего-то не хорошего
[17:07:58] gigimon: я просто юзаю либу, она возвращает после некоторых действий экземпляр, мне надо его передавать дальше, но арсширив функционал
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[17:08:13] Typhon: ну, "паттерн фасад"
[17:08:44] Typhon: __getattr__/ __setattr__
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[17:09:19] Typhon: создаёшь свой класс, у которого есть поле — ооборачиваемый класс. пишешь гетаттр, который дёргает вызыванный метод у оборачиваемого класса
[17:09:22] gigimon: в гетаттр делать трай и ловаить keyerror?
[17:09:36] Typhon: гетаттр вызывается только если в самом классе не нашлось
[17:09:38] xa4a: оборачиваемый инстанс*
[17:09:46] Typhon: да, инстанс
[17:09:49] Typhon: спасибо
[17:09:52] gigimon: а
[17:09:53] Typhon: там ловить АттрибутеЕррор
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[17:10:05] Typhon: точнее не ловить, а райзить
[17:10:39] gigimon: вот где трабла, я так и пытался сделать, но зациклил и подумал что не так делаю
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[17:11:33] xa4a: код на пастбин или не было
[17:13:01] gigimon: http://dpaste.com/586310/
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[17:13:02] gigimon: вот
[17:13:10] gigimon: переписал
[17:13:14] gigimon: typeerror
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[17:15:30] Typhon: олсо, можно и отнаследоваться и сделать метод cast какой-нибудь, который будет в подтип конвертить
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[17:16:18] gigimon: что значит конвертить в подтип?
[17:16:31] gigimon: и как это реализуется?
[17:16:48] gigimon: то, с чем работает отдает (для примера) экземпляр класса A
[17:16:56] gigimon: поменять это поведение не могу
[17:17:06] gigimon: надо работать именно с A
[17:17:29] Typhon: def __getattr__(self, attr, *args, **kwargs):
...: getattr(self.a, attr)

[17:17:35] Typhon: а кто return делать будет?
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[17:17:54] gigimon: точно...
[17:17:56] gigimon: чета я затупил
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[17:18:20] Typhon: поди рубятинкой побаловался
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[17:18:22] gigimon: работает, спс :)
[17:18:34] gigimon: та не, тяжелый день
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[17:19:11] Typhon: есть базовый класс, ты его наследуешь, реализуешь нужный функционал. в конструкторе, или отдельном классметоде create_from_basetype принимаешь экземпляр базового типа и копируешь значащие поля в поля базового класса
[17:19:33] Typhon: после чего у тебя и isinstance и все остальные проверки будут успешно работать, а поведение будет твоё, например
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[17:21:23] gigimon: хмм
[17:23:04] xa4a: new_obj = type("RuntimeClass", (old_obj.__class__, MixinClass), {}); new_obj.__dict__.update(old_obj.__dict__)
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[17:23:15] xa4a: (псевдокод)
[17:23:32] xa4a: new_class = type(…)()
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[17:23:59] xa4a: new_class = type(…{'__init__': lambda self: None})()
[17:24:05] xa4a: так, хватит.
[17:24:13] xa4a: но isinstance будет работать
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[17:25:11] gigimon: да я вот дума, нужна мне проверка isinstance или нет
[17:25:27] gigimon: и стоит ли так делать, не совсем понимая как это работает
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[17:42:17] gigimon: о, товарищи, подскажите возможную цену разработки такого сайта: агрегатор сообщений о авто продаже с 10 сайтов, с уведомлением юзеров по icq, jabber, skype, email со скоростью реагирования на новое объявление 5 минут, а также юзер может задать фильтр, при появлении какого объявления ему писать (сайты все без api, надо парсить вывод)
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[17:45:18] levsha: я когда-то парсилку mobile.de писал
[17:45:27] levsha: но сколько мне тогда за это заплатили я уже не помню :)
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[17:46:23] gigimon: ну, мне бы в целом оценить
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[18:00:53] ErshKUS: нашел ответ (точнее добрые люди подсказали) на вопрос почему номинатим работал в FF а мой нет http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/webdev/114432/
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[18:31:57] xa4a: gigimon: декомпозируй на элементарные задачи
[18:32:01] xa4a: оцени каждую в часах
[18:32:10] xa4a: подсмотри рейт с одеска
[18:32:13] xa4a: ????
[18:32:15] xa4a: profit!
[18:32:33] gigimon: :)
[18:32:45] gigimon: мне примерную стоимость
[18:33:05] xa4a: $2000
[18:33:18] xa4a: 4-6 weeks
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[18:34:22] xa4a: где-то был отличный калькулятор для эстимейта времени на проект
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[18:51:59] xa4a: /me никак не вытащит гугла тот калькулятор, в котором ещё можно было дёргать ползунки, типа выбирать сложность, количество людей этц.. ни у кого не осталось ссылки?
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[18:53:58] xa4a: хм… в почте кк раз индус ищет питониста на маленький проект. никому не интересно?
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[18:56:49] Tony: я хочу найти проект в котором можно получать проценты с дохода
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[19:04:27] Сволота: Tony: а если будут только расхды?
[19:04:50] mishok13: проценты с дохода?
[19:04:55] mishok13: тебе в налоговую
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[19:05:10] enchantner: купи часть акций фейсбука
[19:05:27] enchantner: будешь ездить на ламборджини, купленном на дивиденды
[19:05:42] mishok13: enchantner, пока фейсбук не на бирже, эти акции тебе ничего не дадут
[19:05:57] enchantner: ну хорошо, не фейсбук
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[19:06:03] enchantner: хотя бы яндекс :)
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[19:06:14] mishok13: они дают только процент от *прибыли*
[19:06:15] Tony: у меня знакомый в таком проекте работает. какой-то америкос за то что он будет работать за $500 в месяц, потом получит процент с дохода. сейчас получает более двух штук в месяц только за то что вложился в проект. сначала
[19:06:32] mishok13: Tony, ты уверен что *дохода*?
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[19:06:50] Tony: mishok13, именно с дохода. там небольшой процент, потомучто с *дохода*
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[19:07:17] mishok13: 2 штуки в месяц это какие-то маленькие деньги
[19:07:33] Tony: ну он нихуя там не делает. просто деньги капают.
[19:07:46] xa4a: /me как раз недавно перечитывал бойцовский клуб
[19:08:18] mishok13: а ведь могло и не стрельнуть
[19:08:24] Tony: конечно
[19:08:26] Tony: риск есть
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[19:09:36] Tony: я бы рискнул.
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[19:13:14] enchantner: а кто-нибудь на питоне писал трейдинговых ботов? :)
[19:13:19] enchantner: есть профит?
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[19:15:36] Tony: матчасть надо знать охуительно
[19:16:07] enchantner: матчасть именно по части колебаний рыночной стоимости?
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[19:16:50] Tony: ну да
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[19:17:22] enchantner: эх
[19:17:24] Typhon: на питоне медленно же будет?
[19:17:30] enchantner: какие ж бабки на этом люди делают
[19:17:44] enchantner: не, ну ботлнеки можно на сях
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[19:35:40] xa4a: enchantner: а какие теряют
[19:35:56] xa4a: а вообще недавно читал, что это довольно закрытый рынок
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[19:37:29] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/j4v21/apparently_google_does_not_have_the_best/
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[19:43:50] xa4a: enchanter убежал..
[19:43:59] xa4a: celz gj njve? xnj gbien - nfv dc` cgkjiyst ,jnkytrb
[19:44:02] xa4a: !decode
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[21:02:30] Typhon_: про hft недавно было несколько тредов больших, и на hn, и в стандалонах, и в ask чтототам
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[21:04:32] Typhon_: а, вот в реддите как раз на один из таких постов ссылка
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[22:06:52] wilfred: здравствуйте братья славяне
[22:07:21] wilfred: имеется проблема у меня с питоном
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[22:07:29] wilfred: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "setup.py", line 13, in <module>
from Cython.Distutils import build_ext
ImportError: No module named Cython.Distutils

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[22:11:33] e1maker: всем привет
[22:11:48] wilfred: хай
[22:12:11] e1maker: куда я попал
[22:12:12] e1maker: Оо
[22:12:28] wilfred: в ряды нациков
[22:12:34] wilfred: питон знаешь?
[22:12:39] e1maker: пытаюсь
[22:13:02] wilfred: можешь вс ошибкой помочь
[22:13:13] wilfred: вот она
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "setup.py", line 13, in <module>
from Cython.Distutils import build_ext
ImportError: No module named Cython.Distutils

[22:13:23] e1maker: тебе не повезло
[22:13:31] e1maker: как всегда 13 строчка
[22:13:58] d1ffuz0r: луна в неправильной фазе
[22:14:02] wilfred: питон верит в приметы? =\
[22:14:04] Lispython: вы нашли друг друга, теперь никакая беда не страшна
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[22:14:26] wilfred: сколько голодающих троллей выползло с ракушек =\
[22:14:32] e1maker: а еще бывает 666
[22:14:34] e1maker: строчка
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[22:16:31] wilfred: а какая еще?
[22:16:34] e1maker: какой же всётаки Qt4 аццкий
[22:16:38] e1maker: 1488
[22:16:41] e1maker: однозначно
[22:16:50] wilfred: ну это совсем хорошая же
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[22:21:25] kostafey: Как 13-я? 17-я же!
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[22:31:42] e1maker: kostafey: 13я
[22:33:17] kostafey: e1maker: Перепроверил, 17. Мы о каком языке говорим?
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[22:35:46] kostafey: e1maker: http://www.delphimaster.net/view/15-1153734381/0-40
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[22:37:26] e1maker: kostafey: китайском народном
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[22:38:02] kostafey: Это не интересно.
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[22:46:46] e1maker: оо
[22:46:51] e1maker: дурень продал контакт
[22:46:54] e1maker: http://www.rutoday.com/archives/181328
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[22:53:37] xa4a: e1maker: странно
[22:54:29] e1maker: xa4a: гугел + рулез
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[22:57:57] Tony: чето кстати так и не произошло публичного изменения vkontakte на vk
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[22:58:27] e1maker: потому что скоро будет vk.mail.ru
[22:58:30] e1maker: ))
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[23:32:42] e1maker: йосып на кабыле
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