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[10:17:49] Paradoxx: в admin.py в классе пишу form = tableAdminForm, а в forms.py class tableAdminForm(forms.ModelForm):
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[10:18:38] Paradoxx: в admin.py импортирую from ip_base.forms import tableAdminForm и получаю cannot import name tableAdminForm
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[11:05:44] Paradoxx: когда я переопределяю форму и в новом классе формы пишу функцию на проверку значения то функция должна быть __init__?
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[11:20:23] Paradoxx: есть у кого время на вопросы? )
[11:21:30] Paradoxx: для проверки поля мне нужно его значение сравнить с полем из базы данных
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[11:22:00] Paradoxx: я понимаю, но что-то не соображу
[11:22:09] Paradoxx: https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/NewformsHOWTO#Q:HowdoIaddcustomvalidation
[11:22:10] Tony: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/ref/forms/validation/
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[11:23:07] Tony: в чем выгодное отличие django от любого другого фреймворка это то что оно очень хорошо задокументировано. очень сложно придумать вопрос ответ на который не найти в официальной документации
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[11:25:19] Paradoxx: class tableAdminForm(forms.ModelForm):
class Meta:
model = table
[11:25:35] Paradoxx: т.е. переопределяю форму, правильно?
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[11:27:16] Tony: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/ref/forms/validation/#form-field-default-cleaning
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[11:32:48] Paradoxx: я не понимаю как проверить вводимое с тем что уже есть в базе
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[11:34:50] Paradoxx: как это сделать?
[11:35:29] Paradoxx: обращаюсь к модель.поле, говорит у модели нет атрибута такого
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[11:36:05] Paradoxx: можно ли вообще ввод сравнить с содержимым базы данных?
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[11:40:36] Paradoxx: чето я запутался, Тони )
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[11:44:55] gigimon: можно, если ты разберешься что такое форма, модель и когда оно делается
[11:45:00] Paradoxx: вот в это есть смысл? http://dumpz.org/74370/
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[11:50:37] Paradoxx: я разобрался с этим, мне нужно форму переопределить, для этого создаю класс с метой на мою модель, так?
[11:50:58] Paradoxx: потом в этом классе пишу функцию clean
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[11:52:30] Paradoxx: так?
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[11:56:26] gigimon: что значит переопределить форму7
[11:56:42] Paradoxx: override типа
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[11:56:51] gigimon: если ты юзаешь ModelForm, то в нем для нужного поля делай clean_%fieldname
[11:57:09] gigimon: в доке написано же
[11:57:13] gigimon: как првоерять данные в форме
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[11:57:26] Paradoxx: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/ref/forms/validation/#using-validation-in-practice
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[11:57:33] gigimon: нафига тебе еще 1 форма в форме
[11:57:54] gigimon: class tableAdminForm вот прям в ней и делай clean_subnet
[11:57:58] Paradoxx: мне в админке нужно проверить одно поле
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[11:58:25] Typhon: """если ты юзаешь ModelForm, то в нем для нужного поля делай clean_%fieldname""", гг
[11:58:36] Typhon: в смысле, Paradoxx, вот же сказали тебе ^
[11:58:38] Paradoxx: http://dumpz.org/74376/
[11:58:40] Paradoxx: так?ъ
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[12:00:07] Paradoxx: http://dumpz.org/74377/ вот додумал так, но не работает
[12:01:13] Paradoxx: ругается что у table нет атрибута subnet
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[12:12:11] Paradoxx: подскажите а, я задолбался уже
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[12:17:09] gigimon: Paradoxx: ну и правильно ругается
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[12:17:16] gigimon: ты же модель не получил
[12:17:31] gigimon: table - класс
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[12:17:38] gigimon: что ты у него пытаешься доставать я незнаю
[12:17:41] Paradoxx: a = table()

for one_sub in a.subnet:
[12:17:44] Paradoxx: сделал так
[12:17:52] gigimon: иди блин прочитай джанго туториал
[12:17:57] gigimon: что такое модель и как ее юзать
[12:17:59] gigimon: я серьезно
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[12:20:11] Paradoxx: хорошо почитаю, но скажи код верен? если сделать a = table() for one_sub in a.subnet:
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[12:25:43] Paradoxx: http://dumpz.org/74381/ вот, так работает
[12:26:02] nmk: а правило про три "вопроса" у нас отменили, да? :)
[12:26:55] Paradoxx: посмотрите код пожалуйста, алгоритм верен, работоспособность проверки это другой вопрос
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[12:29:33] Paradoxx: код верен, спасибо все, моя беда в том что все усложняю, будем быдлокодить дальше
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[13:04:56] bobry-: а было какое то правило?
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[13:05:16] Typhon: не более трёх тупых вопросов за день ^_^
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[13:08:32] cutwater: /me кажется нашел таки свою пулю
[13:08:36] cutwater: начал разбираться более плотно с pyramid
[13:08:39] cutwater: он прекрасен
[13:09:22] bobry-: /me с ужасом вспомнил какое уг были turbogears ...
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[13:10:11] gigimon: Paradoxx: если table - это модель, то тебе надо table.objects.all(), а потом только for
[13:10:31] cutwater: bobry ну вот Flask мне не нравится, он не торт
[13:10:37] cutwater: а пирамида очень даже.
[13:10:40] kostafey: pyramid - это на SQLAlchemy? Здорово же!
[13:10:43] cutwater: эм..
[13:10:51] cutwater: kostafey: SQLALchemy там опционально
[13:11:03] gigimon: cutwater: а в пирамиде свой ORM?
[13:11:16] cutwater: gigimon: нет.
[13:11:25] cutwater: но там можно использовать как SQLa так и ZODB
[13:11:31] gigimon: понятно
[13:11:37] cutwater: так и без орм вообще
[13:12:03] kostafey: По ней бы еще букварь толковый - цены бы не было.
[13:12:18] cutwater: kostafey: открой официальную документацию
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[13:12:23] cutwater: все остальное можно найти в исходниках
[13:12:37] kostafey: Ненавижу курить исходники.
[13:12:40] cutwater: вот мне только непонятно нафига они туда venusian прикрутили
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[13:12:54] cutwater: kostafey: тогда в путь покорять просторы PHP
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[13:13:27] kostafey: cutwater: Я лучше на жабе буду кодить, нежели php
[13:14:01] kostafey: Просто сырцы != документация
[13:14:12] kostafey: В моем понимании даже не дополнение.
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[13:14:54] cutwater: сырцы это лучшая документация, когда надо разобраться в чем-либо
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[13:15:14] Typhon: bobry: ^^ ;-)
[13:15:39] kostafey: Блин, я всегда ощущаю тупизм, когда заглядываю в чужой код.
[13:15:53] kostafey: *Свой тупизм ;)
[13:16:36] cutwater: kostafey: и по пирамиде кстати туториалов куча на офсайте
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[13:17:36] kostafey: А, так это пилоены теперь по суит в пирамиду переименованы.
[13:17:42] kostafey: *пилоны
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[13:18:09] bobry-: cutwater: видимо дело вкуса, хотя может pylons поменялись в лучшую сторону :)
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[13:19:49] kostafey: Pyramid is a new web framework. It doesn’t “share any DNA” with Pylons 1.0. Existing Pylons 1.0 code will be able to run “inside” Pyramid via the use of a fallback handler that sends requests to an existing Pylons application.
[13:20:09] kostafey: Коэффициент костылизма в архитектуре 9 из 10 :)
[13:20:52] bobry-: почему?
[13:21:20] kostafey: Обратная совместимость. Фреймоворк внутри фреймворка.
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[13:39:43] kostafey: Это все будет удобно тому кто уже использует pylons. Тот кто сейчас придет в pyramid сломает мозг что откуда. Что из нвого фреймворка, что из наследуемых. Надеюсь, это временная проблема.
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[14:14:24] cutwater: kostafey: лолшто
[14:14:31] cutwater: kostafey: Pyramid это не Pylonsd
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[14:15:02] kostafey: Да ладно?
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[14:15:44] kostafey: http://pylonsproject.org/ - сайт пилонов.
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[14:16:01] cutwater: kostafey: сударь вы глупы и невежественны
[14:16:16] cutwater: kostafey: Pyramid основан на repoze.bfg и похожем стеке библиотек
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[14:16:22] cutwater: от Pylons там мало что осталось
[14:16:26] cutwater: и да они не совместимы
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[14:18:33] kostafey: Т.е. пилоны фактически перестали существовать?
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[14:19:58] cutwater: kostafey: да
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[14:20:09] cutwater: авторы решили что пилоны говно и unsupportable
[14:20:15] cutwater: и правильно сделали
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[14:21:07] kostafey: Нормально. Так что надо будет серьезно подумать в грядущем проекте пирамида vs жанга?
[14:21:33] cutwater: есть еще Flask ;t
[14:21:35] cutwater: же
[14:21:46] bobry-: /me пока вполне доволен фласком
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[14:22:00] kostafey: И гирсы. Да, много всего есть.
[14:22:02] cutwater: bobry а мне фласк как-то не очень. код внутри у них слишком паршивый
[14:22:18] bobry-: cutwater: ты 0.7 видел? там много чего подчистили
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[14:22:29] bobry-: в частности работу с модулями, которые теперь blueprints
[14:22:36] cutwater: хм... надо будет посмотреть
[14:22:39] bobry-: kostafey: tg is no moar же
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[14:22:43] cutwater: ну да
[14:22:47] cutwater: tg не вспоминайте
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[14:22:59] bobry-: одним плохим фреймворком меньше
[14:23:00] bobry-: ура!
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[14:24:15] kostafey: А в джанге можно алхимию прикрутить не сбоку?
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[14:24:35] cutwater: kostafey: зачем?
[14:24:46] kostafey: Привычнее...
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[14:25:03] cutwater: kostafey: goto PHP
[14:25:29] kostafey: Второй раз за сегодня на три буквы уже посылают ;)
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[14:26:19] kostafey: Пхп как язык не так хорош.
[14:27:02] cutwater: капитан
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[14:30:14] Сволота: пхп фигня, а вот смарти...
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[14:30:56] Typhon: cutwater: почему желание поиметь алхимию в жанге — это пхп?
[14:32:11] cutwater: Typhon: наверно потому что попытка скрестить бульдога с носорогом, при том что если уже есть фреймворки не хуже по удобству с джангой с алхимией
[14:32:14] cutwater: ну да админки нет
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[14:34:46] cutwater: и все таки кто-нибудь мне объяснит на кой черт в пирамиде прикрутили venusian ?
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[16:05:03] nmk: какой же __import__ ебанутый
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[17:46:46] nmk: да по всему, честно говоря ;)
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[18:08:27] _lorien: почему все джангу рассматривают как orm+админка+шаблоны? В джанге много других вкусных плюшек, просто о них не думаешь особо, когда их юзаешь.
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[18:14:00] cutwater: _lorien: например?
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[18:21:51] _lorien: формы, i18n, множество штук, о которых не думаешь, когда они есть. Вот тут полный список: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/
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[18:23:09] _lorien: Для меня джанга это удобный клей, которым собрано множество компонент. Вообще я не юзал другие веб-фреймворки, так что мнение однобокое. Просто для моих задач не вижу смысла юзать другие фреймворки. Один раз делал для интереса простой сайт на flask - было некомфортно.
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[18:33:59] gigimon: _lorien: согласшусь с тобой, но даже на мой взгляд формы у джанги надо еще пилить и пилить
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[18:34:21] _lorien: Да я наверное просто фанатик джанги, мне она нравится и всё :))
[18:34:23] gigimon: особенно кастомизация их (добавление класса и т.п.)
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[18:34:54] _lorien: Кстати, про кастомизацию форм недавно читал на хабре, что в django 1.4 добавят для этого средства. Плюс щас уже есть стороннее решение.
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[18:35:28] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/125357/#comment_4125790 во
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[18:48:14] gigimon: т.к. стилизация удел верстальщика
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[19:30:59] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/125357/#comment_4125817
[19:32:44] Lispython: понятно
[19:32:48] Lispython: не нравится
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[19:52:31] cutwater: кстати я либо слепой либо не могу найти ссылку на форму регистрацию на pycon
[19:52:34] cutwater: _lorien: а ты будешь на pycon ?
[19:52:36] cutwater: xa4a: ?
[19:52:52] _lorien: неа, я по английски плохо говорю и бабла жалко ехать туда
[19:52:57] _lorien: да и ваще мне неинтересно :)
[19:53:01] cutwater: ясненько
[19:53:08] cutwater: ну я пойду еще раз послушать Светлова
[19:53:15] cutwater: да и Юрий Юревич вроде тоже интересный докладчик
[19:53:36] _lorien: pycon в украине будет или юра до европы аж поедет?
[19:53:40] _lorien: он же в Омске живёт
[19:53:50] cutwater: в Киеве же
[19:53:53] _lorien: аа
[19:53:57] cutwater: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/103551/
[19:54:23] _lorien: октябрь, ну хрен знает, чо тогда будет в октябре, может и приеду :)
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[20:04:31] gigimon: эх
[20:04:41] gigimon: жаль я английский плохо понимаю :( послушал бы ради интереса
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[20:07:12] Typhon: это прошлогоднее же?
[20:07:16] Typhon: армин, поляки
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[20:09:33] Typhon: дата тоже прошлогодняя
[20:09:36] Typhon: вы всё проспали!
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[20:30:00] Lispython: _lorien, вариант со свoим методом, который будет возвращать '<img src="%(path)s alt="">' % obj.thumb.url не предлагать? :-)
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[20:34:05] cutwater: Typhon http://ua.pycon.org/
[20:34:08] cutwater: таки нет
[20:34:14] cutwater: 22-23 октября 2011 года будет
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[20:36:46] _lorien: Lispython: ну походу надо это сделать, странно, что не добавили в sorl.thumbnail чего-нить простого на этот случай
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[20:41:09] Lispython: _lorien, имеешь ввиду свою ModelAdmin?
[20:41:18] Lispython: с подобными методами?
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[20:44:49] _lorien: Ммм, например, если есть foo = models.ImageField, то шобы можно было указывать в list_display=[....., 'foo_thumbnail'] + надо унаследоваться ModelAdmin дополнительно от AdminImageMixin (такой класс уже есть, я так понял он добавляет галочку в форму редактирования, чтобы можно было удалять файл-картинку)
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[21:02:10] _lorien: вишреквест
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[21:03:02] Lispython: _lorien, а чего не клонируешь, напишешь и сделаешь pull request? :-)
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[21:03:44] _lorien: да чё-то лень :)
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[21:07:17] _lorien: https://github.com/sorl/sorl-thumbnail/issues/54 :)
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[21:15:10] Lispython: вообще может быть неоправданно
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[21:29:57] _lorien: Что именно неоправданно?
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[21:31:02] cutwater: у меня вот другой вопрос
[21:31:23] cutwater: буду собираться в киев, наверно на 2-3 ночи.
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[21:31:52] cutwater: хочу таки рюкзак, в который поместились бы сменные вещи и по мелочи
[21:32:01] cutwater: вопрос такой, что делать с фотоаппаратом
[21:32:16] cutwater: потому что в прошлый раз мыльницы весьма не хватило =(
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[21:36:04] _lorien: повесь не плечо
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[21:41:23] Lispython: а кто-нибудь вкурсе сколько сейчас разработчиков которые имеют возможность делать коммиты в репозиторий питона?
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[21:42:40] _lorien: Lispython, Что именно неоправданно?
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[21:43:37] Lispython: ну там 4 строчки реализации
[21:43:39] Lispython: хз
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[21:44:30] _lorien: А, ну да, но каждый раз это делать, это заебёт же :)
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[22:00:10] _lorien: чё-то с :first-letter еботня какая-то, не применяется к ссылкам
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[22:04:23] _lorien: ха, он тока к block элементам применяется
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[23:28:57] TheGodfather: добрый вечер
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[23:29:45] kostafey: Добрый.
[23:30:28] TheGodfather: чет особо тут тишина
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[23:31:13] Typhon: просто по вторникам вечером все работают.
[23:31:32] Typhon: а так тут обычно шутки, обсуждение последнего кубка трёх наций, споры о миграционной политики кении
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[23:31:46] TheGodfather: вторник особый день... понимаю
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[23:32:51] TheGodfather: Typhon: а как же проблемы гондураса? весьма важная тема
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[23:38:58] TheGodfather: вообщем подскажите хорошую библиотеку для работы с OpenOffice
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[23:45:22] Typhon: "работа с опеноффис" -- это что? или это odf имеется ввиду?
[23:45:28] Typhon: какие задачи? парсинг, генерация?
[23:45:39] Typhon: или скрипты имеешь ввиду внутри опенофисные?
[23:45:40] TheGodfather: запись текста
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[23:46:03] TheGodfather: в определенное место
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[23:46:15] kostafey: КуТэ пользуешь?
[23:46:18] TheGodfather: т.е. подстановка под шаблом
[23:46:23] TheGodfather: нет
[23:46:31] TheGodfather: Tkinter
[23:47:04] kostafey: А win32com?
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[23:47:27] TheGodfather: нет
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[23:47:45] kostafey: Ну тогда не знаю.
[23:47:52] TheGodfather: хотя для венды над будет
[23:48:03] TheGodfather: пишу пока на линухсе
[23:48:14] TheGodfather: но будет на виндусе
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[23:48:39] kostafey: Тогда без вариантов. Я также стараюсь, но с win32com этот фокус не пройдет.
[23:49:02] TheGodfather: т.е. в ОО нифига не получитсо?
[23:49:09] TheGodfather: одт всмысле
[23:49:49] kostafey: Тогда без вариантов, использовать win32com не получиться. Нужно копать в другую сторону.
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[23:51:42] kostafey: Как бы я сам Qt пользую, но люди говорят можно иначе http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=9667
[23:51:42] TheGodfather: kostafey: ну а в вордовские документы?
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[23:52:13] kostafey: Та вордовские 100% нужно будет через ком работать.
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[23:52:35] kostafey: Притом ворд должен быть в системе, как ты понимаешь.
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[23:52:42] TheGodfather: ну да
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[23:53:55] TheGodfather: ну а допустим uno
[23:54:04] TheGodfather: не попрёт здесь?
[23:54:56] Typhon: odftools есть же
[23:55:04] Typhon: odf открытый формат, емнип, xmlный
[23:55:31] Typhon: если это так, то можно даже любой xml либой попробовать работать
[23:55:44] Typhon: qt, win32, com всё нахуй
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[23:56:03] TheGodfather: хорошо, а что если брать мутить всё это дело через ОО, но сохранять как doc
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[23:56:18] kostafey: Ну генерить xml - это героически, да.
[23:56:53] kostafey: TheGodfather: это зачем?
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[23:57:33] TheGodfather: нужно результат сохранять в док файле
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[23:58:23] kostafey: Пущай и будет odf, а откывают чем хотят.
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[23:59:11] kostafey: Если нужен родной doc то без (поллитры) кома никуда.
[23:59:14] Typhon: .docx тоже иксмль
[23:59:31] Typhon: и можно rtf генерить
[23:59:59] kostafey: Typhon: docx != odf, если я траву не перепутал.