[00:00:11] bobry: kostafey: !=, но тоже xml-based
[00:00:16] Typhon: не равен, да. вроде как похож
[00:00:18] TheGodfather: короче над брать этот win32com
[00:00:25] Typhon: я к тому, что com не нужен
[00:00:39] Typhon: лучше uno и ooo тогда, к.м.к.
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[00:01:12] bobry: TheGodfather: ты com советуешь потому что никогда его не использовал, или это такое проявление bsdm-чувств?
[00:01:26] TheGodfather: Typhon: я сегодня думал про уно, но там нужно запускать перед этим ОО
[00:01:40] kostafey: Я его пользовал, но потому, что уже умел с ним работать в других языках.
[00:01:47] Typhon: а с win32com не нужно штоле запускать ворд ? ;-)
[00:01:53] TheGodfather: bobry: я не советую... я незнаю какую брать, вот и спаришваю у бывалых
[00:02:08] TheGodfather: Typhon: а я еще не знаком с этой либой
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[00:03:43] kostafey: Typhon: про это речь? http://code.google.com/p/py-odftools/
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[00:08:52] TheGodfather: весьма великий ужас на вин32ком
[00:09:00] kostafey: Че-то как-то все это... Кроме uno нечего не видно на горизонте, а там тоже пишут
[00:09:04] kostafey: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/AdvUNO/Advanced_UNO
[00:09:12] Typhon: kostafey, http://code.google.com/p/py-odftools/source/list
[00:09:19] kostafey:
Python
maybe in future (under development)

[00:09:57] kostafey: py-odftools последни раз трогали в 2008.
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[16:11:35] Lispython: люди, а вот так делать можно?

class B(object):
importer = __import__

и использовать внутри методов как self.importer(some_var)
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[16:14:34] mishok13: может не надо?
[16:14:46] mishok13: ну то есть, если надо то можно, но может всё таки не надо?
[16:15:15] Lispython: как бы хочется ответа по теме
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[16:16:06] Lispython: mishok13, а можешь объяснить почему?
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[16:16:20] mishok13: gut feeling на самом деле
[16:16:33] mishok13: ну и всяческие sys.modules и мультипоточность
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[16:16:40] mishok13: как-то неуютно от такого кода
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[16:16:58] mishok13: а importlib ты не можешь использовать?
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[16:19:53] Typhon: а если ты плагины делаешь, так на pypi вроде несколько всяких для этого средств, можно там посмотреть, вместо того, чтобы своё выдумывать
[16:20:05] Lispython: mishok13, это не мой код
[16:20:30] Lispython: мне непонятно поведение self.importer внутри класса
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[16:21:25] mishok13: фактически __import__ просто лезет в кеш sys.modules и смотрит, не загружен ли такой модуль
[16:21:34] mishok13: если не загружен, то идёт полноценный импорт
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[16:21:45] mishok13: так как import не защищен GIL'ом
[16:22:07] mishok13: то в мультипоточности это может привести к прекраснейшим багам вида "хуй найдешь"
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[16:23:33] Lispython: а что передается в качестве первого аргумента в self.importer?
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[16:27:43] Lispython: и как раз наткнулся на вот такую граблю, когда
[16:28:04] Lispython: в качестве первого аргумента в self.importer передавался class instance
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[16:29:55] mishok13: бля, class instance я вообще не знаю что произойдет
[16:30:05] mishok13: это уже надо смотреть в имплементации
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[16:34:01] Typhon: какой питон и покажи код, он не должен туда инстанс передавать
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[16:35:27] Lispython: rpdb2 ./manage.py help
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[16:36:15] Lispython: https://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/django/utils/dictconfig.py#L165
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[16:37:04] kostafey: Не совсем по питону вопрос, срорее по Qt (PyQt в моем случае). Кому-нибудь доводилось читать rtf или odf и отображать в QTextBrowser или QTextEdit ?
[16:37:23] Typhon: # We might want to use a different one, e.g. importlib ггг
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[18:25:13] kwis: Товарищи, посоветуйте плагин ftp для эклипса
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[18:26:44] Typhon: ftp ? oO
[18:26:54] Typhon: это когда ещё дискеты были, да?
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