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[03:18:17] kwis: Народ, никто не пользовал http://code.google.com/p/django-cart/ ???
[03:20:06] kwis: вроде бы все нереально просто а импортировать в свою вьюшку не могу Cart. Пишу from shop.cart import Cart получаю cannot import name Cart Хотя вроде бы все правильно...
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[11:06:48] Paradoxx: привет всем, есть такой модуль ping-0.2, пишет что Caught error while rendering: Operation not permitted - Note that ICMP messages can only be sent from processes running as root.
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[11:10:38] xa4a: прочитать?
[11:10:40] xa4a: перевести?
[11:10:48] Paradoxx: нет
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[11:10:56] xa4a: тогда никак
[11:10:59] Paradoxx: как запустить от рута, или не отрута?
[11:11:15] xa4a: sudo например
[11:11:20] xa4a: может запустить от рута
[11:11:22] xa4a: или э...
[11:11:28] xa4a: залогиниться рутом и запустить от рута?
[11:11:35] Paradoxx: это джанга
[11:11:51] alecs is now online
[11:11:55] Paradoxx: метод модели
[11:12:02] xa4a: в общем, запустить любым другим процессом, который работает под рутом, или поставить setuid бит
[11:12:07] xa4a: аэ
[11:12:14] xa4a: ты этого не хочешь делать в методе модели
[11:12:17] xa4a: скорее всего
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[11:13:07] xa4a: сделай отдельный бинарник/скрипт с setuid битом
[11:13:22] xa4a: и дёргай его из модели, если очень хочешь из модели дёргать
[11:13:40] xa4a: в общем, если даже решишь, что таки не из модели - всё-равно отдельным процессом
[11:13:48] xa4a: т.к. ICMP messages can only be sent from processes running as root.
[11:13:54] xa4a: а ты не хочешь джангу от рута запускать
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[11:14:30] mishok13: а может и хочет?
[11:14:32] mishok13: ;)
[11:14:48] Paradoxx: ясно, буду разбираться
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[11:15:36] xa4a: инфа 100%
[11:15:39] xa4a: (забыл отправить) :)
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[11:25:42] Paradoxx: что значит и дёргай его из модели, если очень хочешь из модели дёргать, как дергать?
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[11:29:57] огыешсук: да найтиме же уже программиста, видите же что у вас не получается, зачем себя мучаете?
[11:30:01] огыешсук: *наймите
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[11:30:59] Paradoxx: т.е. вы думаете что я занимаюсь коммерчиским проектом и готов потратить бабло на его осуществление?
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[11:31:51] огыешсук: а на самом деле вы делаете некоммерческую EPR для детского дома?
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[11:32:09] Paradoxx: а на самом деле вы не можете знать что я делаю
[11:32:37] Paradoxx: обычная таличка IP адресов, где в одном поле написано о результате пинга
[11:32:49] огыешсук: прекрасно вижу, что делаете вы то, к чему у вас душа не лежит
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[11:33:03] Paradoxx: для себя лично, как замена excel файла
[11:33:28] Paradoxx: лежит, иначе бы не делал
[11:33:52] Сволота: замена excel файла <_< не надо ЭТО заменять
[11:34:04] Paradoxx: Сволота: вы можете
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[11:34:10] Paradoxx: не заменять
[11:34:56] Typhon: что за хуйня в питонуа? почему все на "вы" и где посылы нахуй? %)
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[11:35:35] Сволота: Typhon: не пали контору ;)
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[11:35:49] Paradoxx: если есть модуль ping, то блять если я новичок и не вкуриваю как запустить процесс из джанги от рута, то бля мне и спросить нельзя?
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[11:36:15] Paradoxx: че за грабли
[11:36:25] Typhon: !pydoc subprocess
[11:36:44] Typhon: вообще очень странно, когда простой ексель файлик хочется заменить здоровым жанго приложением
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[11:37:11] огыешсук: Typhon: а чем оно лучше popen`а?
[11:37:35] Paradoxx: а если файлик не простой, а огромный и их много и лопатить каждый в поисках нужного лень?
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[11:38:00] xa4a: огыешсук: попен - депрекейтед
[11:38:01] Typhon: огыешсук: Deprecated since version 2.6: This function is obsolete. Use the subprocess <http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html#module-subprocess> module. Check especially the Replacing Older Functions with the subprocess Module <http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html#subprocess-replacements> section.
[11:38:17] огыешсук: о как
[11:38:30] Typhon: Paradoxx: ну один фиг, не пойму, зачем здесь жанга здоровая %)
[11:38:31] Paradoxx: к тому же портирование всей этой табличной хуеты есть мотивация к ознакомлению с прекрасным языком?
[11:38:55] Paradoxx: был вариант писать на пхп )
[11:38:59] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (прекрасный язык это хаскелль)
[11:39:03] Paradoxx: но выбрал питон
[11:39:05] Typhon: х-ль говно же!
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[11:39:12] Typhon: вы последних новостей не слышали
[11:39:13] Typhon: %)
[11:39:39] Typhon: олсо, Paradoxx знакомиться с питоном можно, например, на docs.python.org
[11:39:42] Сволота: хуиту надо просто сконвертить в sql запрос средствами того же вижуалбейсика
[11:40:01] Сволота: и выборки тоже делать через sql
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[11:40:39] Paradoxx: Сволота: excel --> phpmyadmin --> SQL
[11:40:50] Paradoxx: накхуя мне басиц?
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[11:41:22] Сволота: ХЗ что там этот ваш пыхпых умеет
[11:41:32] Paradoxx: Typhon: ну да, можно читать до посинения, знать теорию (половину забыть)
[11:41:43] Paradoxx: а на практике булыга
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[11:43:12] mishok13: мне кажется, джанга здесь есть лишняя сущность, а большую часть задачи можно было решить через Python scripting в OpenOffice.org
[11:43:21] mishok13: если, собственно, не всю
[11:43:33] Typhon: Paradoxx: джанго — это фреймворк, причём здоровый. в любом фреймворке есть своя специфика, которая может даже идти в разрез с идеями или стилем языка. изучая фреймворк, ты будешь знать только его, но не язык, зачастую
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[11:44:12] Сволота: опенофис такая же тормознутая хрень как и ёкзель
[11:44:32] Paradoxx: Typhon: вы меня демотивировать хотите?
[11:44:36] Paradoxx: *ты
[11:45:10] Typhon: нет, путь подсказать
[11:45:15] Typhon: !wtf tutorial
[11:45:19] Typhon: Paradoxx: ^
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[11:45:54] Typhon: если, типа, делать "практику", без теории, то получается "жаваскрипт ниньзя" с рецептами, но без знаний ;-)
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[11:46:07] Paradoxx: йопты
[11:46:16] Paradoxx: я бы лично поговорил бы об этом, подискутировал
[11:46:25] Paradoxx: печатать лень, столько мыслей
[11:46:44] Сволота: Paradoxx: найми обезянку и диктуй
[11:46:51] Paradoxx: можно ездить на работу на автобусе, а можно на машине
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[11:47:13] Paradoxx: Сволота: есть обезьяны понимающие русский?
[11:47:18] Сволота: а можно вообще не ездить :-D
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[11:47:28] wiz: Paradoxx, есть. называются «секретарши»
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[11:48:30] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (на всяких freelance.ru, говорят, можно нанять и обезъянок и даже "программистов" за сущие копейки)
[11:48:35] Paradoxx: а если я секретарь, то мне себе секретаря нанять? бесконечность получается
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[11:49:30] Paradoxx: wiz: говорят секретарь, а не секретарша )
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[11:49:49] wiz: Paradoxx, используй TCO
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[11:52:01] Paradoxx: wiz: расшифровку, ибо много вариантов
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[11:52:12] wiz: !google tco
[11:52:20] wiz: tail-call optimisation
[11:52:22] Typhon: ггг
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[11:53:18] Paradoxx: http://www.tso.ru/
[11:53:35] Paradoxx: http://www.gcro.ru/index.php/tso
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[13:18:17] Paradoxx: сделал я питоновский файлик с функцией проверки пинга, как его подключить к моддели?
[13:19:06] Paradoxx: subprocess пробовал, так там вывод ping надо разбирать, rjcnskmysq vtnjl
[13:19:13] Paradoxx: костыльный метод
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[13:24:47] wiz: Paradoxx, http://code.activestate.com/recipes/576662/
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[13:54:35] Paradoxx: а subprocess Из модели джанго будет работать?
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[13:54:58] nmk: будет, но ты уверен, что тебе оно надо?
[13:55:25] Paradoxx: не уверен
[13:55:52] Paradoxx: а какие есть варианты?
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[13:57:54] nmk: смотря что ты хочешь запустить.
[13:57:59] Paradoxx: ping
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[13:58:17] nmk: положить в очередь, пингануть, положить куда-то результат
[13:58:22] Paradoxx: http://dumpz.org/76831/
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[15:22:33] Tony: кто знает куда лорейна делся?
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[15:38:23] Paradoxx: как описать функцию и вставить её в обработчик класса модели кроме как в models.py?
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[15:39:28] wiz: а зачем?
[15:39:58] Paradoxx: т.е. если мне нужно добавить поле в админке, я делаю в admin.py его риодонли с названием функции в нужном классе
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[15:41:17] Paradoxx: http://dumpz.org/76851/ вот этот код нужно вставить в класс моделей
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[15:41:58] nott: точно-точно?
[15:42:02] Paradoxx: вместо ips = ["10.0.1.1", "10.0.1.3", "10.0.1.11", "10.0.1.51"]
будет DeviceIP.objects.all()
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[15:42:48] nott: а если сеть глючит, ты будешь ждать ответа все 3 секунды?
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[15:43:26] Paradoxx: да мне пока срать, мне главно результат получить
[15:43:26] Мозгошредер is now Last.fm: Heaven's Gate by Exilia on Unleashed (0:00)
[15:43:55] levsha: а зачем этот попингуй вообще нужен?
[15:44:22] Paradoxx: чтобы в таблице видеть жив хост или нет
[15:44:51] levsha: а что это за хосты вообще?
[15:45:00] Paradoxx: в корпоративной сетке
[15:45:06] Paradoxx: серенькие
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[15:45:20] levsha: гы гы. А ничего что в некоторых виндах по умолчанию фаерволл режет входящие пинги?
[15:45:24] nott: так делай ajax-запросы
[15:45:40] Typhon: nott: аякс запросы _куда_?
[15:45:43] Paradoxx: йопты, это не винды, это железо
[15:45:45] levsha: ну и вообще это какая-то наколенная network monitoring system получается
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[15:45:52] Paradoxx: циски, риверы, атс и прочая хуетень
[15:45:53] Typhon: levsha: удваиваю!
[15:46:04] Typhon: всё уже украдено до нас, типа
[15:46:23] Paradoxx: ну да, самопальный нагиос
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[15:46:30] nott: Typhon на отдельный асинхронный обработчик этих запросов
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[15:46:49] Paradoxx: с аяксом вообще не знаком
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[15:50:09] огыешсук: наймите обезьянку с freelance.ru ;o)
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[15:50:34] Paradoxx: огыешсук: не хочу грубить, но лучше помолчи
[15:50:49] nott: Paradoxx, суть проблемы: таким пингом ты блокируешь весь процесс, в котором крутится джанга. это плохо, так как ответы от пинга могут приходить очень долго. поэтому нужно разделить процесс показа таблички и, собственно, пинги.
[15:50:56] огыешсук: А чем оригинальный нагиос то плох? Ну, кроме его php-шного фронтэнда?
[15:50:59] nott: разделить по разным процессам*
[15:51:23] Paradoxx: огыешсук: может тебя нанять за копейки, обезьяна?
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[15:51:34] nott: Paradoxx не груби.
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[15:51:42] Paradoxx: огыешсук: он не плох, он стоит и работает
[15:52:06] levsha: /me потому и сидит на последнем нагиосе, который еще без пыха
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[15:52:14] Paradoxx: nott: странно, огыешсук мне предлагает нанять обезьяну с фриланса, а ведь там программеры сидят
[15:52:35] Paradoxx: программер = обезьяна?
[15:52:42] Paradoxx: а не, ==
[15:52:57] огыешсук: Paradoxx: ну как же? Вы уже выше сказали, что на нормальных программеров денег у вас нет. Да и по вопросам это и так давно уже очевидно.
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[15:53:18] Paradoxx: огыешсук: а я хочу сам, мне за это не платят и сам платить никому не хочу
[15:53:36] nmk: чувка
[15:53:40] nmk: ты помоему уже нам тут платить должен
[15:53:48] огыешсук: Paradoxx: тогда у вас очень странный метод задавать вопросы.
[15:54:07] nmk: чувка == чувак :)
[15:54:51] Paradoxx: nott: а как разделить по разным процессам?
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[15:55:41] огыешсук: Paradoxx: грубите вот на ровном месте, доки читаеть не умеете. Хотите сами -- гугл вам в руки.
[15:56:05] Paradoxx: огыешсук: да ты еще толком мне не ответил ни на что, только про секретарей да обезьян
[15:56:29] nott: самый логичный вариант - периодически прогонять пинги отдельным процессом и сохранять результаты в базу или memcached.
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[15:56:39] Paradoxx: nott: я так и думал
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[15:56:49] nott: простой вариант организовать все это - использовать celery.
[15:57:02] levsha: да да, и в результате получится свой наколенный nagios ;)
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[15:57:15] Paradoxx: нет уж, слишком замысловато
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[15:57:21] Paradoxx: не осилю
[15:57:23] огыешсук: nott: эту глючную поделку? Уж лучше змк тогда, он хотя бы работает.
[15:57:24] Paradoxx: )
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[15:58:38] Paradoxx: ладно, оставим это как бредовую затею, вот с аяксом, без перезагрузки таблицы было бы хорошо
[15:58:53] nott: огыесшук zeromq и celery? не путай первое со вторым.
[15:58:54] Paradoxx: всмысле перезагрузки страницы
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[16:00:46] nott: огыесшук и да, у нас celery работает на небольших нагрузках вполне нормально.
[16:01:11] огыешсук: nott: я и не путаю. И то и другое активно для background jobs processing пользовал. Успешно. Впрочем, celery не очень успешно -- глючная поделка ибо. А змк вроде пока прекрасно у меня работает. Да, буквы A в ampq мне понятно не надо было, оттого и оказалось вполне легко заменить на более простую (и работающую) систему.
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[16:03:31] огыешсук: nott: ну, не так, чтобы celery совсем пользоваться невозможно было. Возможно. Но много лишних заморочек на ровном месте, зависающих задач, подъедаемой памяти и прочих радостей жизни. С змк такого вроде пока не наблюдаю. Нагрузки и у меня не шибко сильные -- единицы (максимум десятки) тасков в секунду.
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[16:04:34] nott: zeromq это очередь. сеlery система для организации фоновых задач. я думаю, zeromq можно волне использовать как бэкэнд для селери. для каждой задачи свое средство.
[16:04:44] Typhon: zeromq — это не очередь
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[16:04:51] Typhon: даже в название же вам сказали это
[16:04:55] Typhon: _zero_ mq
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[16:07:00] огыешсук: nott: змк это не так, чтобы очень очередь, да. И над ней пришлось написать своё a la celery (с полсотни строк кода). Я к тому, что celery -- перегруженный (и оттого глючноватый) монстр, коий не советую начинать использовать (пока есть выбор).
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[16:10:12] огыешсук: Опять же, через zmq удобно общаться с другими системами, типа ерланга.
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[16:20:18] огыешсук: /me давно мечтает вывести из под джанги весь фронтэнд и унести его куда-нибудь в тот же ерлаг (там есть фреймворки типа-джанго, даже с совместимым языком шаблонов). Это даст нативную поддержку тех же веб-сокетов. А под питоном оставить только таски (по той же змк, например, получаемые) по хитрой обратотке текстов.
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[16:25:14] Typhon: вебсокеты не нужны
[16:25:16] Typhon: SSE FTW!
[16:25:32] огыешсук: а как же в реальном времени с визиторами общацца?
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[16:25:45] Typhon: SSE
[16:25:53] Typhon: огыешсук изобретает http://discoproject.org/ ! %)
[16:26:12] огыешсук: ЫЫУ? Streaming SIMD Extensions?
[16:26:13] Typhon: sse — http://dev.w3.org/html5/eventsource/ эти котрые
[16:26:18] огыешсук: а
[16:26:18] Typhon: а не те, ага
[16:26:19] Typhon: %)
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[16:26:41] nott: если используешь где-то веб-сокеты, проверь свои проекты на свежих бетах firefox'а.
есть вероятность, что скоро твои веб-сокеты могут сломаться
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[16:28:02] огыешсук: Ну, я ж их не напрямую, а через какой-нибудь js-обёртку, которая достаточно умная, чтобы переключиться на какой флеш или ещё какую ересь если нативных сокетов в броузере не оказалось.
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[16:28:43] огыешсук: Я в курсе, что в 6м фоксе оно теперь MozWebSocket, да.
[16:28:58] огыешсук: Надеюсь, что и разработчики js-обёрток тоже в курсе.
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[16:32:03] огыешсук: Typhon: а эти sse где-то уже бывают? А то первая версия доков от 2009 года, что как бы намекает на то, что может и ещё пара лет пройти пока оно раздрафтится.
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[16:32:24] Typhon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server-sent_events#Web_browsers
[16:33:00] огыешсук: Любопытно. Благо MSIE на моих сайтах почему то меньше 10% и я на него могу спокойно забить.
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[16:37:59] Typhon: а для мсие пусть жс объртка флеш таскает %)
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[20:55:17] Darth Лис: кстати про sse
https://github.com/maccman/juggernaut
его переписали с нуля
[20:55:36] Darth Лис: на nodejs и теперь он умеет фолбэкаться по куче протоколов
[20:55:52] Darth Лис: точнее "технологий"
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[21:24:19] огыешсук: node.js же вроде "фу-фу-фу! не трогай бяку!", или уже не?
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[21:25:22] Darth Лис: хз, но я пробовал джаггернаут, работает отилчно
[21:27:57] огыешсук: sse, как я понял, это "long polling без лишних перезапусков"? ws как двусторонний протокол выглядит любопытнее
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[21:29:44] огыешсук: главная моя заморочка -- нужно, чтобы работало в мобильных клиентах (айштуках и айндроидах хотя бы, плевать на винду), а там может не быть ни сокетов ни флеша, ага
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[21:33:33] Darth Лис: огыешсук: оюзай джаггернаут
[21:33:50] Darth Лис: поюзай*
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[22:13:50] Darth Лис: огыешсук: попробовал?
[22:13:52] Darth Лис: :)
[22:14:18] огыешсук: не, я пока боюсь юзать ноду
[22:14:35] огыешсук: я ещё ерланг не выюзал
[22:14:44] Darth Лис: да не ссы ты славик, я так сто раз делал
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[22:15:12] огыешсук: что за славик?
[22:15:50] Darth Лис: ты нашу рашу не смотрел что ли?
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[22:16:28] огыешсук: не, я телевизор всего несколько месяцев как купил (антенну к нему при этом не подключал).
[22:16:47] Darth Лис: anyway, попробуй
[22:16:56] Darth Лис: там ничо сложного
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[22:17:01] Darth Лис: и заводиться с полпинка
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[22:17:17] огыешсук: А кто-нибудь пользовался loyalbank или payweb? А то вон на http://habrahabr.ru/company/payweb/blog/126509/ задёшево предлагаютъ.
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[22:22:36] Darth Лис: огыешсук: http://trinixy.ru/2007/10/18/nasha_rasha__slavik_i_dimon_89_mb.html
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[23:15:22] ink08_home: http://pastebin.ru/320291 - как из for глобально менять nothing ?
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[23:22:35] Tony: <?php # какой ужас
[23:23:44] Tony: ink08_home, сделай функцию def main(): потом делай main() это самая правильная практика. с другой стороны, я не понимаю совсем зачем ты делаешь global nothing, без этого все должно изменяться.
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[23:26:54] Tony: ink08_home, вот работает http://dumpz.org/76973/
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[23:31:24] ink08_home: Tony: спс, я уже понял, что натупил с кодом
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[23:40:17] creitve: добрый вечер
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[23:47:31] creitve: В общем, знакомлюсь с PySide. Есть загрузчик http://dumpz.org/76976/, к нему я подключаю форму http://dumpz.org/76977/, конверченную из .ui. Выдаёт ошибки http://dumpz.org/76978/, вторую выдаёт, если проблемная строка первой закомментирована.
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[23:57:10] gigimon: creitve: ты уверен, что у QWidget есть эти аттрибуты?
[23:57:11] ink08_home: Tony: кстати, pastebin.ru сам добавляет <?php
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[23:57:49] creitve: gigimon: ну, я нуб и ориентируюсь на автокомплит эклипса и там они есть
[23:58:35] gigimon: эклипс поидее не может подставить и берет просто подходящее по имени
[23:58:47] gigimon: что где-то он нашел
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[23:59:54] gigimon: creitve: http://www.pyside.org/docs/pyside/PySide/QtGui/QWidget.html
[23:59:59] gigimon: нету у него такого