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[00:02:04] clicker: добрый вечер. Какой пакет модулей, лучше использовать для проигривания mp3 в python ?
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[00:03:44] clicker: или может лучше через os.system ?
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[00:08:37] xa4a: можно, напримр, gsttreamer
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[00:10:07] clicker: кроссплатформенность, пока что, значения не имеет
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[00:10:43] clicker: спасибо, попробую через gstreamer
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[00:26:03] clicker: xa4a, это хорошо
[00:26:10] clicker: потом не придётся искать
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[02:40:58] RaD: re all
[02:41:07] RaD: чёта туплю с WSGI
[02:42:11] RaD: у меня есть сайт, пашет как часы, приделал я к нему домен третьего уровня и сейчас думаю, как через WSGI перекидывать запросы на отдельно стоящий джанго проект (ограничения хостера не позволяют прописать этот проект отдельно)
[02:42:38] RaD: если понять как на уровне WSGI получить имя домена по которому обратились, то дальше всё просто
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[15:41:28] dicos: Кто-нибудь может посоветовать рабочий джаббер-сервер?
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[15:45:51] dicos: У меня задача сделать чат: оператор должен общаться через QIP, а посетитель чата через браузер. Полагаю, это затею лучше сделать на питоне.
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[15:46:44] gigimon: причем тут жаббер сервер?
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[15:53:49] xa4a: chat.ru?
[15:54:07] xa4a: они, вроде, с год назад делали чаты привязанные к стрничкам на основе жабера
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[15:57:15] dicos: так надо чтобы без регистрации все это дело было.
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[15:58:39] dicos: что-то наподобие http://www.krible.ru <http://www.krible.ru/>
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[15:59:44] xa4a: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/startup/50029/
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[16:04:30] cutwater: enhj
[16:04:31] cutwater: утро
[16:04:41] cutwater: ребят, где долбаная регистрация на Kyiv.py #4
[16:04:43] cutwater: на пайкон вижу
[16:05:05] Typhon: это же митап
[16:05:09] Typhon: зачем на него регистрация?
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[16:05:56] Typhon: dicos: есть готовые решения лдя магазинов всяких, искать по "онлайн консультант"
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[16:07:16] cutwater: Typhon: ну в прошлый раз была же
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[16:19:15] gigimon: cutwater: на пайкон едешь?
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[16:19:28] cutwater: еще не знаю
[16:19:30] cutwater: наверно поеду
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[16:20:02] cutwater: gigimon: если в армию не заберут то да :-D
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[16:20:24] gigimon: ыы
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[16:20:44] gigimon: cutwater: а ты киевский?
[16:20:49] cutwater: нет
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[16:20:52] cutwater: я харьковский
[16:20:56] gigimon: а где жить предполагаешь?
[16:21:10] cutwater: на киев.пай 4 буду в гостинице останавливаться
[16:21:14] cutwater: на пайкон наверно тоже
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[16:21:20] gigimon: знаешь недорогую?
[16:21:33] cutwater: на работе посоветовали относительно недорогую
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[16:21:47] gigimon: cutwater: расскажешь после киев.пай :)
[16:21:51] cutwater: ок
[16:21:52] gigimon: тоже заюзаю...
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[16:23:13] cutwater: да я тут приболел чуток еще к тому же. надеюсь до след пятницы выздоровею
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[16:23:24] cutwater: а то гостиницу уже зрабронировал, надо бы билеты взять
[16:24:01] cutwater: хотел с тян приехать... но тян как-то кончилась. так что хз еще в какой комплектации буду.
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[16:24:56] gigimon: ну я ток на пайкон с коллегой буду
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[16:25:42] wiz: а почему на квитках дата указана 22-23 ноября?
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[16:26:30] Typhon: скорее всего, потому что квитки — гогно какое-то %)
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[16:26:40] Typhon: но я бы не отказался, если бы в ноябре было
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[17:21:31] cutwater: надо будет купить таки квитки
[17:21:38] cutwater: хотя да такой вариант дистрибуции билетов отстой
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[17:23:02] wcs: Всем доброго вечера. Хотелось бы спросить о SqlAlchemy, тут и посоветовали давно. Вопрос следующий: если электронная таблица хранится в виде:
spreadsheet: id, name
cell: id, spreadsheet_id (spreadsheet.id), row, col, content,
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[17:23:12] wcs: можно ли делать объединения?
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[17:24:05] wcs: если назначаться они будут не сразу в коде, а по ходу дела, выбирая одну из "таблиц" и цепляя остальные сгенерированными запросами
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[17:28:18] cutwater: чочочо
[17:28:24] cutwater: я если честно нихера не понял
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[17:29:06] wcs: ну, есть таблица spreadsheet, с индексом и названием
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[17:29:27] wcs: и таблица cell, содержащая данные, и место ячейки
[17:29:42] cutwater: ок
[17:29:51] wcs: вопрос в том, можно ли с этим сделать объединения как в обычном SQL?
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[17:30:12] wcs: притом объединения не прописаны сразу, а могут меняться
[17:30:25] cutwater: а вот с этого места подробней
[17:30:31] cutwater: и сразу с примером в виде SQL
[17:30:39] cutwater: ты о JOIN или о UNION ?
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[17:30:48] wcs: о JOIN
[17:31:03] cutwater: конечно можно
[17:31:10] cutwater: там даже примеры есть
[17:31:38] cutwater: что значит "не прописаны сразу, а могут меняться"
[17:32:22] wcs: минуту, сейчас скажу подробнее
[17:33:05] wcs: например есть таблица со списком разных ссылок внутри тех двух
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[17:33:12] xa4a: cutwater: кажется, он хочет делать объединения не по самим таблицам, котоыре хранятся, а по spreadsheetам
[17:33:19] wcs: именно
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[17:33:35] cutwater: xa4a: ну а в чем проблема тогда?
[17:33:38] wcs: и есть таблица ссылок по какой-то теме
[17:33:38] xa4a: хз
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[17:33:45] xa4a: wcs: объединяй по номеру колонки
[17:34:06] xa4a: можон
[17:34:07] xa4a: можно
[17:34:54] xa4a: (на первый взгляд)
[17:35:13] wcs: ага, а если уровней несколько? Т.е. таблица ссылок запрашивается, объединяясь с другой, например ссылки по определённой теме, и подтягивает третью?
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[17:36:12] wcs: хочется понять, как такие JOIN'ы расписать для алхимии, и как генерировать новые, из, например списка, содержащего интересующие таблицы
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[17:38:52] xa4a: почему ты так уверен, что хочешь хранить таблицы в реляционной субд?
[17:39:01] xa4a: это кажется очень противоестественным
[17:39:19] wcs: NoSql? Мемкеш для этого лучше подходит?
[17:39:25] xa4a: нет
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[17:39:28] wcs: или какая-нибудь объектная?
[17:39:46] xa4a: почему не хранить таблицы в таблицах?
[17:39:53] xa4a: без доп. уровня абстракции?
[17:40:06] wcs: в CSV? Можно, Но тут вообще никак не сделать JOIN
[17:40:16] wcs: кроме самописного
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[17:40:47] xa4a: пока ты сам руками не знаешь, как написать соотв SQL - лучше алхимию не мучать даже
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[17:41:18] wcs: не в этом дело :-)
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[17:41:45] wcs: я решал это раньше кривым скриптом на PlPgSql, с Join'ами типа Left Outer
[17:41:55] wcs: уже совсем его подзабыл, это признаю)
[17:42:14] wcs: дело в том что хочется понять как делать это не криво
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[17:50:00] Typhon: получить csv, загрузить его натуральным образом в бд, сделать что-надо sql-ем (или ормом, пофиг), выгрузить результирующее в csv
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[17:51:42] wcs: то-есть делать временные таблицы? Спасибо, то-же идея, но я лишь хотел избежать лишних запросов от ORM, и если правильно понимаю, загрузка-выгрузка CSV тоже добавит запросов)
[17:52:56] Typhon: можно просто csv получить и их склеить, я не очень понял, что с spreadsheet'ами делать хочется
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[17:57:07] wcs: Хм. Можно даже отойти далеко от примера со спредшитами, к обычным таблицам в SQL. То был просто пример. Допустим у нас даже самые стандартные таблицы, но склеить бывает надо по-разному, и это не должно быть прописано напрямую. А может быть прописано тем-же списком. Как из списка заставить SqlAlchemy работать с такими таблицами, создавая JOIN'ы?
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[17:59:38] ink08: уберите плз проверку капчи у меня, после каждого обрыва просит заново вводить
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[18:00:23] Typhon: for (table2, on) in conditions:
table.join(table2, on)
?
[18:00:35] Typhon: (примерно, не помню, как там джойнить в sqla"
[18:00:38] Typhon: )
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[18:02:02] wcs: да, видимо это то, что нужно. Ещё вопрос по FK, должны ли быть прописаны эти ключи явно в таком случае? Спасибо за сове
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[18:08:17] xa4a: !voice ink08
[18:08:27] xa4a: !voice ink08@jabber.ru
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[18:14:57] wcs: удачи всем, пойду тренироваться и разбираться с алхимией дальше :-)
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[22:09:23] RaD: re all
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[22:09:48] RaD: .
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[22:10:14] RaD: камрады, можете объяснить магию питонского ООП - http://dpaste.com/610701/
[22:10:56] RaD: от одного базового класса унаследовано два класса, если последовательно создать первый, а потом второй, в self.tree_list получается показанная хрень
[22:11:05] RaD: что за нафиг, это же не синглтон?!
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[22:12:10] Typhon: это поля класса
[22:12:15] Typhon: а не инстанса
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[22:12:35] Typhon: если хочешь сделать полями инстанса -- инициализируй в __init__
[22:12:52] RaD: т.е. то что вне конструктора, то работает как в синглтоне???!!!
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[22:13:14] Typhon: в каком синглтоне?
[22:13:39] Typhon: объект класса (BasePage) у тебя один в любом случае
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[22:13:56] RaD: ну это такой шаблон ООП, типа где не создавай объект определённого класса, физически это будет один экземпляр, удобно
[22:14:07] Typhon: синглтоном обычно называются когда инстанс класса только один будет
[22:14:16] RaD: в общем, я понял где засада, пасиб!
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[22:14:49] Typhon: Programmer’s note: Variables defined in the class definition are class variables; they are shared by all instances.
[22:14:51] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/reference/compound_stmts.html#class-definitions
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[22:15:55] RaD: хех, нету времени на доки :) всё мечтаю почитать питонские доки
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