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[14:50:56] cutwater: Господа, завтра уже буду в Киеве
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[14:52:46] cutwater: кстати подскажите годную службу такси
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[14:59:58] deepwalker: метрополитен :P
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[15:00:25] cutwater: а все таки
[15:00:37] cutwater: от метро до гостиницы еще хер знает сколько пилить.
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[15:01:27] deepwalker: ну дык надо гостиницы правильно выбирать :D
[15:01:39] cutwater: ну в смысле близко но впадлу
[15:01:41] cutwater: =)
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[15:05:44] _troll: возвращаюсь к недавнему. как django сервер встроенный, наладить? не хочет тестовая страница отображатсяв браузерах
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[15:20:54] deepwalker: _troll, тебе может помочь только чувак с телепатическим шлемом
[15:21:10] deepwalker: потому что я вот вчера читал, и ни одной мысли нет, что там у тебя такое
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[15:40:34] ds.tihonov: добрый день, подскажите, во freebsd есть утилита portbuilder она написана на питоне, во фриБСД 9-бета2 её обновили и теперь она не запускается, ошибка выглядит так: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/38479
Python 2.7.2
gcc version 4.2.2 20070831 prerelease [FreeBSD]
i386
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[16:04:27] deepwalker: ну надо в код смотреть, где там каст в си идет надо найти, и понять, откуда там такое число, что оно в лонг не влезает
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[16:17:56] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Привет всем. Помогите разобраться с классами
[16:18:06] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: есть такой класс http://paste.in.ua/3063/
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[16:19:28] xa4a: уже страшно
[16:19:30] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Ему нужно сделать твик: некоторые методы не будут доступны, когда self.id <> Self(), можно сделать так http://paste.in.ua/3064/ б но думаю это говнокод. Есть ведь правильно решение.
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[16:19:32] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: :)
[16:20:11] xa4a: if self.id is Self():
[16:20:15] xa4a: \это работать не будет
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[16:20:19] xa4a: (надеюсь)
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[16:20:33] xa4a: Self() каждый раз создаёт новый инстанс. это же класс?
[16:20:37] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: я не проверял, это набросал пример, чтобы смысл передать
[16:20:38] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: неее
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[16:20:45] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Self( ) это внешняя функция
[16:20:47] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: глобальная
[16:21:10] xa4a: self.__dict__.update(locals())
[16:21:17] xa4a: это тоже какой-то непонятный ахтунг
[16:21:28] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: CharName(), CharTitle(), Self() - внешние функции
[16:21:35] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: это чтобы в класс запихнуть переменные
[16:21:41] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: при создании
[16:21:54] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: c = Char(id=23, blah=2)
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[16:22:21] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: единственное таким образом оно self запихивает, но это убирается одной строкой
[16:22:25] xa4a: def __init__(self, **kwargs): self.__dict__.update(kwargs) тогда уж
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[16:22:55] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: А как оно поведет себя, если сделать так: c = Char(1111)
[16:23:05] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: мне надо, чтобы в таком случае id присваивало
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[16:23:47] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: и если нету вообще значений, т.е Char(), то чтобы заносило Self() сразу
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[16:24:44] xa4a: по первому вопросу - можно написать декоратор
[16:24:57] xa4a: который выкидывает исключение, если self.id != Self()
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[16:25:35] xa4a: ноэ… завязывать такую логику на внешнюю переменную, особенно на глобальную функцию. это плохо закончится
[16:25:47] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Я ничего не могу поделать
[16:26:02] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Это надстройка над внешним АПИ
[16:26:10] xa4a: а, ок
[16:26:13] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: ООП надстройка..а там все функциями
[16:26:21] xa4a: тогда, если достаточно, чтобы выкидывался иксепшн - декоратор
[16:26:47] xa4a: если это подходит под "методы не будут доступны"
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[16:27:07] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Чуть не понимаю, как я могу вообще не объявить attribute, когда у меня self.id <> Self()
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[16:27:24] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Т.е условие, чтобы их вообще небыло после инициализации класса
[16:27:27] xa4a: ты этого не хочешь
[16:27:30] xa4a: ну..
[16:27:37] xa4a: у тебя класс инициализируется один раз
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[16:27:40] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: да
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[16:27:42] xa4a: а методы вызываются потом
[16:27:47] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: да
[16:27:53] xa4a: между этими событиями Self() может поменять результат?
[16:27:57] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: нет
[16:27:59] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: он статика
[16:28:04] xa4a: аэ
[16:28:09] xa4a: так сделай два класса разных
[16:28:26] xa4a: один с ограниченным кол-вом методов, а другой - наследник с доп. методами
[16:28:35] xa4a: и в зависимости от Self() бери один или другой
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[16:29:27] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: просто я могу создать два инстанса Char, один будет так Char(Self()), второй Char(0x1111), эти два объекта могут иметь общие аттрибуты, но не всегда. Для self() есть больше возможностей
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[16:31:09] xa4a: сделай два класса class BaseChar: pass; class ExtendedChar(BaseChar): pass, фабрику make_instance(arg): if arg is Self(): return ExtendedChar(arg); else: return BaseClass(arg)
[16:31:12] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Я понял, но как упросить жизнь тем, кто будет писать код после меня? Т.е, кто будет использовать мою надстройку над API? Я делаю ООП-оболочку, чтобы было удобней работать с объектами. голое апи вообще на паскале написано, но чудо техника перевела весь код на питон)
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[16:32:05] xa4a: ООП оболочка, у которой меняются методы в зависимости от аргументов – не факт, что сделает работу удобнее
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[16:32:42] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Ну сейчас все на процедурах :)
[16:32:53] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Хочешь получить CharName когото - пиши CharName(id)
[16:32:58] xa4a: и да instance = (ExtendedChar if arg is Self() else BaseChar)(arg)
[16:33:08] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: хочешь себя - CharName(Self())
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[16:33:55] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Хорошо. Я попробую. Спасибо большое!
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[16:43:57] xa4a: ыэх. понапридумывали этих python style guides
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[16:44:51] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: :)
[16:45:05] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: это лучше чем апи на паскале...
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[16:45:38] огыешсук: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: в твоём нике очень не хватает ещё конфигурации основного игрового компьютера, очень
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[16:46:41] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: я не играю в онлайн игры
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[16:46:57] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: и компьютер очень слабенький
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[16:47:22] gigimon: но ник...
[16:47:34] огыешсук: слишком короткий!
[16:47:38] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: ааа)
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[16:47:43] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: сорри
[16:47:47] xa4a: может и лучше, чем api на паскале, но весь код после написания приходится перепричёсывать
[16:47:48] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: оно Вадим не хотел взять
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[16:48:27] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: дажбер не воспринял Вадим и предложил такой ник)
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[16:49:53] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: В двух словах это скриптовый движок к онлайн игре, в которую играл в 2000х. Он написал на паскале. Недавно его портировали на питон, и я вот забавы ради делаю поделки всякие
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[16:52:14] gigimon: мне кажется как-то странно делаются забавы...
[16:52:20] gigimon: ну код ужасен и как-то вообще
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[16:52:47] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: да, ужасен. Я не спорю.
[16:52:59] gigimon: если все на функциях. а хочется классы, почему все в классы не обернуть и пусть они там магию делают
[16:53:17] xa4a: похоже он этим и занимается
[16:53:27] xa4a: бтв, в паскале же было ооп!
[16:53:28] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: ну да :)
[16:53:41] огыешсук: это вроде в дельфи разве
[16:53:45] gigimon: xa4a: ну тоже странно как-то, про __dict__(locals()) я испугался
[16:53:48] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: В дельфях было
[16:53:54] gigimon: огыешсук: object pascal ;)
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[16:54:13] огыешсук: в любом случае ему далеко до ады
[16:54:14] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: это все в интернете нашел, как переменные кинуть в аттрибуты
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[16:54:56] gigimon: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: self.id = id не?
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[16:56:09] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: ну можно :) Это только первый объект. Там будут другие, вот там это и пригодится, например, сделать поиск объектов рядом, по параметрам
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[16:56:34] gigimon: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: такой вопрос, туториал читал?
[16:56:51] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: читал
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[16:58:27] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Я понял что не правильно сделал
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[16:59:04] gigimon: :D
[16:59:16] gigimon: xa4a: на пайкон приедешь?
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[16:59:33] xa4a: вряд ли
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[17:00:41] xa4a: хотя может, если удастся коммандировку пробить =)
[17:01:40] gigimon: понятно
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[17:01:56] xa4a: а есть список докладов?
[17:02:00] xa4a: что-то на сайте не найду
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[17:44:21] _lorien: Кто-нить хочет поработать? Надо джанго-проект неболшой ковырять через одеск
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[17:44:54] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: занятость какая?
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[17:45:42] _lorien: да фиг знает, просто надо шобы была активность, ну т.е. когда таски есть их надо делать в меру быстро, но они там могут кончиться, я так понимаю
[17:45:45] _lorien: то есть, то нет
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[17:51:23] огыешсук: _lorien: 30?
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[17:52:32] _lorien: неее, < 25
[17:52:49] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Отписал в личку
[17:52:51] _lorien: я кстати за 30 вроде и не работал до сих пор ни разу, но я щас вообще не очень нацелен работать
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[17:53:50] огыешсук: я посмотрел твой профайл, вроде было у тебя 30, хотя это может и без учета того, что одеск вычетает
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[17:54:10] _lorien: да, у меня 27 щас
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[17:54:15] _lorien: а одеск 30 снимает
[17:54:25] огыешсук: ну 27 тоже неплохо
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[17:54:35] _lorien: да я уже плюнул на одеск, свои прожект ковыряю
[17:54:42] огыешсук: прибыльные?
[17:54:46] _lorien: щас desconto.ru ковыряю, уже 5 баков в день на рекламе получается
[17:55:10] _lorien: ерунда, конечно, я планирую много больше с него выжать )
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[17:56:43] xa4a: есть подозрение, что чтобы было больше - надо не только на рекламе
[17:56:45] огыешсук: ну, у меня та же фигня, только я на удалённой постоянке, мне каждый месяц платят не особо завися от потраченных часов (в среднем 20-30 получается в зависимости от конкретной загрузки -- в июне дофига работы было и было скорее 20, сейчас работы нету, соответственно рейт с 30 где то).
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[17:57:25] огыешсук: охота одеску тоже попробовать, но что-то никто не хочет давать таски на хотя бы 25 так сходу, безфидбачному человеку
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[17:59:14] _lorien: xa4a: что ты имеешь в виду?
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[18:00:09] xa4a: _lorien: продавать блекджек и шлюх
[18:00:20] _lorien: А если серьёзно?
[18:00:22] d1ffuz0r: одеск вроде дофига сжирает на выводе
[18:00:24] d1ffuz0r: денег
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[18:00:41] _lorien: да нет, вроде баков пять погорает )
[18:01:10] _lorien: 2-3 бака одеск берёт, ещё пионер жрёт бака 3 за срочную загрузку или можно пару дней подождтаь и бесплатно, но я не помню где это отключается, так что башляю пионеру тоже
[18:01:16] _lorien: а потом банкомат жрёт бака 2 :)
[18:01:28] _lorien: за каждое снятие денег, есс-но если платишь безналом, то не жрёт денег
[18:01:32] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: банкомат жрет 3%
[18:01:47] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: не знаю где это за 2$ можно снимать с карточки пионира
[18:01:52] _lorien: Вроде не жрёт, мне пишет, что мол комиссия за снятие будет 0 рублей
[18:01:52] xa4a: _lorien: на рекламе - это AdSense?
[18:02:00] _lorien: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: а ты где живёшь?
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[18:02:03] _lorien: я в Омске
[18:02:24] xa4a: можно бабла с самих сайтов сбивать же
[18:02:30] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: работал почти два года в американской компании, платили через пионировские карты (компания была партнером), брало и сейчас берет в банке 3%
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[18:02:31] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Киев
[18:02:43] _lorien: xa4a: на сайте щас яндекс-директ
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[18:02:56] _lorien: ну может в Киеве и жрёт 3%
[18:03:03] _lorien: я если честно не высчитывал всё до бакса
[18:03:12] _lorien: может и у меня жрёт :)
[18:03:57] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: я тоже не считаю, но в кассе сразу говорят. А вот когда-то карту мою съел банкомат, теперь нишагу к нему не подхожу с пионировской картой
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[18:04:29] _lorien: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: что за касса? Банкомат говорит?
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[18:04:40] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: ПУМБ
[18:04:45] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Касса
[18:04:48] xa4a: _lorien: если много народу к тебе ходит, то можно сайты конкретные купоны выделять, например, платно
[18:04:49] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: в банке снимаю
[18:04:51] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: иду в кассу
[18:05:15] _lorien: xa4a: там есть вторая схема монетизации - партнёрские программы купонных сайтов
[18:05:21] xa4a: eue
[18:05:23] xa4a: угу*
[18:05:32] _lorien: у меня пока трафика тыща человек в день, поэтому особо нет прибыли с парт. программ
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[18:05:48] _lorien: на одном сайте 39 рублей, на другом 400 за всю историю жизни сайта, вот и всё
[18:06:17] xa4a: http://desconto.ru/info/agregator Для чего нужен агрегатор купонов десконто.ру?

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[18:06:31] xa4a: http://десконто.ру/ не открывается :(
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[18:07:02] _lorien: о, можно купить на всяк случай
[18:07:18] _lorien: я там просто написал русскими буквами, так красивее выглядит
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[18:09:00] огыешсук: тож пытаюсь свои проектики подымать, сейчас ещё и на ерланге начал писать, не питоном единым
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[18:09:31] огыешсук: пайонер снимает свои процентики даже если картой в магазинах платить, не только при обналичке
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[18:09:41] _lorien: хм
[18:09:50] огыешсук: конкурентов у него пока нету особых, вот и наглеет
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[18:10:50] огыешсук: _lorien: в его доках ясно написано, что up to 3% above market может снять за покупки в рублях, но и за долларовые покупки тоже берёт
[18:11:32] _lorien: что ж ты меня так расстраиваешь :)
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[18:12:23] огыешсук: а шо делать
[18:12:45] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Можно попробовать на MoneyBookers снимать.
[18:12:46] огыешсук: я вот думаю счет в тайском банке открыть и пайпал туда прикрутить, у палки вроде проценты более явные
[18:12:55] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: У него, я не уверен, проценты меньше
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[18:13:13] огыешсук: MB не умеет карточки выпускать для неЕС
[18:13:29] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: туда можно привязать карту с Укр и Рос банка
[18:13:33] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: и на нее скидывать
[18:14:05] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: на Элансе вообще шара была. Прикрутил банковский счет с номером карты и сливаешь туда деньги в течении 3-х дней
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[18:14:11] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: меньше 3% было
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[18:14:22] огыешсук: Ну, в принципе, я запросто могу получать свою зарплату прямо на свой счет в альфабанке. Проценты за зачисление оплатит заказчик, не проблема. Но вот что-то меня стремает..
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[18:17:02] огыешсук: ещё чего доброго заставят IP регистрировать
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[18:22:09] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: в Украине нужно платить 15% от дохода с физ лиц. Т.е если переводить накарточку сразу с заграницы, то нужно обязательно платить 15%. Но, это никто не проверяет., пока не НАСТУЧАТ :)
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[18:26:42] огыешсук: Да фиг с ними с процентами, но это ж ведь предпринимательство, а предпринимателям надо заводить ИП или ООО и лопатить кучу бумажек. Регулярно.
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[18:27:24] Tony: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF, с карточки хуй кто спалит
[18:27:34] Tony: если сам не скажешь либо миллионы не будешь гонять. всем похуй.
[18:27:46] Tony: на счет куда опасней. в рашке 13% 3-НДФЛ
[18:27:48] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Ну я об этом. Или кто-то не настучит
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[18:28:01] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: в Украине часто стучат...
[18:28:07] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: слышал, что на программистов стучали)
[18:28:14] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: и банк сам давал данные налогово
[18:28:17] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: налоговой
[18:28:43] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: я предприниматель, без проблем платежы с Европы принимаю сейчас
[18:29:12] xa4a: за тобой уже выехали
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[18:29:48] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: за мной?) Пускай! Отчеты в пенсионный и налоговую есть под боком. За каждую копейку отчитаюсь
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[18:31:00] _lorien: в россии можно платить 6% налогов, надо оформиться как ип
[18:31:11] _lorien: только еботня будет с оформлением договоров, валютных паспортов и т.д.
[18:31:33] огыешсук: вот-вот, столько бумажек вместо того, чтобы просто разрешить малым предпринимателям (зарабатывающим, скажем, до сотки килодолларов в год) просто заполнять раз в год налоговую декларацию и платить 13% с дохода. И всё.
[18:31:38] _lorien: я бы уже сделал так, но у меня доход не стабильный, мне чё-то в ломы париться с налоговой отчёнтностью и всё это дело оформлять
[18:31:42] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: У нас тоже, 6% для ООО + 20% НДС (если в стране)
[18:31:57] _lorien: огыешсук: а разве нельзя просто 13% платить?
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[18:32:07] _lorien: я то говорил в русле того, что 6% меньше 13% :)
[18:32:16] огыешсук: можно, но ты ж тогда незаконный предприниматель будешь
[18:32:24] Tony: огыешсук, не обязательно
[18:32:34] Tony: огыешсук, есть даже судебная практика я узнавал.
[18:32:48] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: в Украине до оборота в 3 000 евро в месяц можно платить меньше 100$ в месяц только на упрощенной системе для предпринимателей
[18:32:56] _lorien: платить налоги вроде прикольно в том плане, что можно кредиты брать
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[18:33:01] огыешсук: я слышал что-то про "прикинуть программинг как продажу интеллектуальной собственности", но это всё как то мутновато
[18:33:25] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: бред. Узнавал я про кредиты. 2 года уже как предприниматель, а мне и на машину даже не дадут. Выручка им не подходит
[18:33:36] огыешсук: _lorien: мне альфабанк после увольнения из офиса всё так же предлагает взять у них кредитов, только сумму озвучивает в полтора раза меньше
[18:33:36] Tony: огыешсук, если один заказчик. то если что даже если дойдет до суда надо давить на то что ты работаешь в компании не имеющей представительства в РФ. этот момент никак вообще не оговорен по законодательству, так что все ок. если у тебя очень много заказчиков то такая схема уже не канает
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[18:34:53] огыешсук: Tony: трудовой договор заставят показать
[18:35:03] Tony: огыешсук, не трудовой
[18:35:10] Tony: огыешсук, гражданско-правового характера
[18:35:25] Tony: огыешсук, напишешь хуле. 30 минут в ворде
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[18:35:43] огыешсук: так им небось какие печати с подписями нужны будут от моего работодателя
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[18:36:02] огыешсук: тем более, что работодатель русского не разумеет
[18:36:20] Tony: никаких печатей
[18:36:27] Tony: подписи и все
[18:36:37] Tony: в двух колонках на русском либо английском
[18:36:58] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: и в договоре нужно указать, что без печатей. Вот недавно этот вопрос решали с валютным контролем, потому что не давали евро в гривны перевести
[18:36:58] Tony: *в двух колонках на русском и английском
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[18:37:20] Tony: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF, в коклостане немного другая хрень
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[18:40:21] огыешсук: думаю, проще всё же завести себе оффшорчик или тот же тайский банк
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[18:40:56] огыешсук: заодно и палка будет
[18:41:14] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: законодательством наказывается открытие счета в банках других стран. Гдето статью читал недавно. Для Украины
[18:41:25] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: а вот если компания зарегистрирована, то это другео дело
[18:41:29] gigimon: где хочу там и открываю!
[18:41:52] огыешсук: в россии не наказывают, но обязуют в течении месяца поставить в известоность соответствующие службы
[18:42:08] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: ага, у нас даже за футболки наказывают "Спасибо жителям Донбасса"
[18:42:08] _lorien: а государство кого хочет, того и закрывает :)
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[19:03:58] xa4a: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: если бы я работал, например, в другой стране и получаю там зп на счёт в местном банке - наказывается?
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[19:04:31] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Поидее да. Нужно платить налоги. Но есть фишка, можно платить там, а здесь давать какойто отчет.
[19:04:37] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Подробнее в налоговой лучше узнать
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[19:06:01] xa4a: гхм
[19:06:31] Tony: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF, в рашке так же
[19:06:42] огыешсук: xa4a: если ты не налоговый резидент, то по идее платишь там где резидент
[19:06:43] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: могу узнать, в понедельник я как раз буду в краях Святошинской налоговой
[19:06:45] Tony: огыешсук, тайский банк не обязательно LLC в США вполне канает
[19:07:09] xa4a: в этом случае, если и настучит кто-то - они проверить не смогут же
[19:07:26] xa4a: если отчётов не подавать
[19:08:02] огыешсук: у тайланда вроде с россией есть какие то соглашения о противодействии двойному налогообложению, то есть какое то меж ними сотрудничество имеется
[19:08:40] огыешсук: но, думаю, если крупными деньгами не ворочать, то всем пофиг
[19:08:46] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Ага
[19:08:52] огыешсук: а когда будут крупные, там можно и офшорчик поднять
[19:09:00] огыешсук: LLC в делавере, например
[19:09:06] xa4a: ну двойное - это если их переводить к себе на счёт тут
[19:09:08] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: Мы вот на карточку с эланса в приват банк переводили по 3-5к$ в месяц и норм
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[19:09:29] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: В Делавере не вариант
[19:09:46] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: там же фишка, ты не платишь налоги - если твой клиент НЕ из Делавера
[19:09:46] огыешсук: делавер это оффшорная зона, причём штатовская, типа престижно
[19:10:03] vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: если американцы твои клиенты тоже в Делавере - то невыгодно
[19:10:44] огыешсук: жаль, тогда швейцарский или английский оффшорчик. Кипр и иже с ним уж больно банально.
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[19:11:56] огыешсук: моими клиентами я вижу в основном таки американцев, не важно откуда (небось из калифорнии, там их много и они богатые)
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[19:15:08] огыешсук: vadim/qutIM/Jree3F79D3CF: да, я слышал что до 5 килодолларов никто не чешется, но просто не хочется рисковать, в тае то я наверное через месяц-два уже буду, там оно как то поспокойнее
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[19:19:10] огыешсук: собственно, почти все известные мне российские фирмы на самом деле не российские, а оффшорные; компания в которой я работал 8 лет -- канадская, наше всё яндекс -- зарегистрирован на кипре и так далее
любопытно, это помимо налогов может ещё и от рейдерства какого ограждает? или только налоги?
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[22:55:01] Magister Yoda: привет всем. как делать тумбы(thumbnail) из видео? в гугле PythonMagick выдаёт, а он такого не умеет вроде как, а внятной документации по нему я не нашёл. кто-нибудь занимался созданием тумб из видео срадствами Python?
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[23:42:24] j-T: проблема: в git gui удалена ветвь, после чего не пушилось и не комитилось ничего, т.е. на внешнем репозитории (на github изменени)
[23:42:33] j-T: ..й не произошло)
[23:42:47] j-T: как можно отменить удаление ветви?
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