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[12:48:44] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
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[12:56:52] asd__ is now QIP Infium - всё работает. Качай на www.qip.ru
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[12:58:14] asd__: Всем привет
[12:58:33] asd__: у меня совершенно глупый вопрос к вас, к гуру
[12:58:45] asd__: import time
[12:59:09] asd__: как можно назвать time - библиотекой или пакетом?
[12:59:46] asd__: или как вообще его назвать
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[13:01:24] zarg: называй модулем
[13:01:38] asd__: zarg: блин точно
[13:01:41] asd__: спасибо
[13:01:50] zarg: выкинь qip
[13:01:55] zarg: поставь gajim :)
[13:02:00] zarg: и линукс
[13:02:05] asd__: psi мне ближе
[13:02:05] zarg: или psi
[13:02:55] asd__: я с недобука от asus, который 2g surf, тут с линуксами плохо
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[13:05:20] zarg: я просто ворчу, не обращай внимание
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[13:05:41] asd__ is now QIP Infium - всё работает. Качай на www.qip.ru
[13:06:09] asd__: :D
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[15:23:52] Atterratio: Использую Python 3.2, PyGObject 2.28, пишу без использования Gtk.Builder сколько ни гуглил, ни читал мануалы, не смог понять как юзать Gtk.TextView, в демках PyGObject не могу найти что то. Приведите пожалуйста код записи и чтения произвольной строки.
[15:25:58] Сволота: Atterratio: в таких случаях надо смотреть доку для сяшников и пробовать делать по аналогии
[15:26:21] Сволота: я твк с pyqt игрался
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[15:27:35] Atterratio: Сволота: ну я пробовал у меня просто больше не было сил, я уже башкой об стол бился...
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[15:29:41] Сволота: может про этот виджет разработчики биндинга банально забыли?
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[15:33:18] Atterratio: Сволота: не похоже, сам виджет прикручивается, буфер к нему тоже... а вот дальше написано, что нужно изпольвать константы TextIter *start и TextIter *end что бы получать текст из буфера.
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[15:33:41] Atterratio: это всё как я понял, не факт что так оно и есть...
[15:34:44] Atterratio: Способо по проще играться многострочным текстом я не нашёл...
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[15:37:22] Сволота: консанты поидее должны быть полями класса
[15:37:32] Сволота: сделай dir
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[18:52:39] freemanua: hi all
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[18:53:57] freemanua: подскажите по web-фреймворкам, стоит ли начинать изучение pyramid или лучше начать с
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[18:54:11] freemanua: ...с чего-то попроще
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[18:56:24] freemanua: ?
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[18:59:27] Tony: а для чего тебе веб-фреймворк?
[19:00:48] freemanua: разобраться хочу
[19:01:17] Tony: попробуй django самый лучший вариант для kick off
[19:01:20] freemanua: на чем лучше сделать портал или коллективные блоги?
[19:02:10] Tony: зависит от задачи. если преобладает текстовый контент то django лучше в большинстве случаев
[19:02:37] freemanua: только текстовый врядли
[19:02:49] Tony: *преобладает*
[19:02:52] Tony: не значит что только
[19:03:04] Tony: посмотри django в любом случае. наиболее распространенный фреймворк "все в одном"
[19:03:26] freemanua: джанго смотрел и книгу дочитал
[19:03:39] freemanua: django: подробное руководство 2 изд
[19:04:00] Tony: книги не нужны.
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[19:04:15] Tony: посмотри flask и werkzeug
[19:04:22] freemanua: некоторые моменты не совсем ясны, нет привязки к завершенному проекту
[19:05:01] freemanua: смотрел фласк, мне он больше понравился, но т.к. в питоне я новичек много не совсем ясно
[19:05:14] Tony: тогда подучи питон
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[19:06:25] freemanua: базовый уровень есть, насколько подучить?
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[19:36:51] freemanua: Tony: ты с чего начинал?
[19:37:01] Tony: django
[19:37:28] gigimon: начни с джанги и не парься
[19:37:36] Tony: +
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[19:39:41] freemanua: начать что-то не получается
[19:40:31] freemanua: как написать допустим простенький сайт с формой аплоада и показа всех аплоадов в виде списка с ссылками на файлы?
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[19:40:53] Tony: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/intro/tutorial01/
[19:41:29] freemanua: Tony: голосование? делал
[19:41:40] gigimon: туториал пройди
[19:41:45] freemanua: как сделать что-то кроме голосования?))
[19:41:49] gigimon: ну тогда читай доку внимательнее
[19:41:57] gigimon: или открйо книгу по джанге
[19:42:12] gigimon: создаешь модель, создаешь форму, создаешь вьюху
[19:42:13] Tony: https://bitbucket.org/tony/demo-voting/overview - вот модуль голосования
[19:42:19] Tony: правда еще под 1.1 писался
[19:42:27] freemanua: gigimon: прочитал уже книгу, там тоже кусками примеры, как это собрать в готовый проект не написали
[19:42:30] gigimon: если после создания голосования в туториале ты не понимаешь как, то читай еще раз
[19:42:39] gigimon: %)
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[19:45:19] freemanua: все с чего-то начинали, но никто не признается как :(
[19:45:34] gigimon: я туториал прочитал и пошел делат
[19:45:44] gigimon: опираясь на оф доку
[19:46:49] freemanua: после туториала вопросов только больше
[19:48:56] Tony: сядь и напиши что-нибудь вместо того чтобы тупо задрачивать доки
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[19:52:00] freemanua: Tony: хелловорлды пишутся легко на любом фреймворке, уже проверял
[19:52:20] Tony: было бы удивительно если сложно. напиши что-то сложнее хелловорлда
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[20:01:45] freemanua: ясно что ничего не ясно
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