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[11:42:10] ink08: http://pastebin.com/3i8K8qiV
подскажите как html-теги тоже брать?
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[11:51:41] gigimon: вроде как никак нельзя было, чтоб выводило и тэг
[11:51:44] gigimon: иначе смысл?
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[11:54:42] RaD: он про внутренние теги, те что внутри div :)
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[11:55:18] ink08: да, внутри div есть html-теги
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[11:56:29] RaD: ну так и сделай цикл по внутренним тегам, ты список смотрел, которые тебе возвратили?
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[11:58:23] ink08: RaD: какой список?
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[12:00:49] gigimon: etree.tostring(tag)
[12:00:56] gigimon: он тогда печатает текст из всех потомков также)
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[13:35:11] cutwater: утро господа
[13:35:20] cutwater: Kyiv.py #4 таки годен
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[13:44:56] ds.tihonov: добрый день, подскажите, как во freebsd настроить автостарт plone ?
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[13:46:50] cutwater: ds.tihonov: я конечно не специалист, но можно почитать что-нибудь вроде http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/configtuning-starting-services.html
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[13:47:24] ds.tihonov: cutwater: да, возможно придётся так и делать, сапсибо!
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[13:53:12] levsha: вообще то plone при установке из портов должен был поставить zope, в комплекте с которым должен уже устанавливаться startup script
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[13:56:36] ds.tihonov: levsha: ну из поротов ставить не хочется, там сильно старый plone, я думаю , что написать простой старт-ап скрипт и успокоиться :)
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[14:18:16] ink08: http://itmages.ru/image/view/284752/61b486bf - это что за прикол. воткнул по усб телефон на зарядку и выскачило
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[14:54:01] xa4a: там вот в стокгольм ищут python/erlang англоговорящих. кому-то интересно?
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[14:59:02] d1ffuz0r: и почему в школе нас учили немецкому .\_/.
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[15:08:59] Vadim Chernysh: привет всем
[15:09:05] cutwater: и тебе привет
[15:09:13] d1ffuz0r: привет
[15:09:29] cutwater: так кто в субботу был на Kyiv.py #4 признавайтесь
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[15:10:39] wiz: d1ffuz0r, и почему в школе ты не учил английский для себя?..
[15:10:57] Vadim Chernysh: Вы не знаете, почему, когда я вызываю property из класса, то мне пишет <property object at 0х....
[15:10:58] Vadim Chernysh: ?
[15:11:03] Vadim Chernysh: почему так может быть?
[15:11:03] d1ffuz0r: не думал что понадобится)
[15:11:07] Vadim Chernysh: base класса нету
[15:11:24] Vadim Chernysh: вместо <property object at должно выводить значение
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[15:12:26] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: покажи код
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[15:15:29] Vadim Chernysh: http://paste.in.ua/3074/
[15:16:21] cutwater: пиздец
[15:16:34] Vadim Chernysh: знаю)
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[15:16:48] Vadim Chernysh: что не так?
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[15:17:25] cutwater: Return a property attribute for new-style classes (classes that derive from object).
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[15:17:37] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: ты читать не умеешь, вот что не так
[15:17:44] cutwater: а еще табы в коде вместо пробелов
[15:17:44] Vadim Chernysh: да мне этого не писало
[15:17:58] cutwater: (classes that derive from object).
[15:18:16] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: ферштейн?
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[15:18:30] Vadim Chernysh: что?
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[15:18:52] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: класс MyChar old-style класс
[15:19:14] cutwater: так как у него базовый класс не object или его наследник
[15:19:27] cutwater: для old-style class проперти не работают
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[15:19:32] Vadim Chernysh: понял
[15:19:51] cutwater: и еще табы вместо пробелов и смысл кода - какая-то хуита
[15:19:54] cutwater: что ты изобретаешь?
[15:20:50] Vadim Chernysh: ооп апи для одного скриптового движка для одной онлайн игры. сразу скажу, в игры я не играю! Это спортивный интерес
[15:21:15] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: PEP8
[15:21:35] Vadim Chernysh: ок
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[15:22:47] cutwater: The forms <> and != are equivalent; for consistency with C, != is preferred; where != is mentioned below <> is also accepted. The <> spelling is considered obsolescent.
[15:22:54] cutwater: Ну и специально для тебя
[15:23:01] cutwater: <> это говно
[15:23:26] Vadim Chernysh: jr
[15:23:28] Vadim Chernysh: ok
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[15:23:59] Vadim Chernysh: new style class в питон 2.6 появились?
[15:24:18] cutwater: если там есть property то очевидно ж появились
[15:24:31] Vadim Chernysh: у меня 2.5 просто
[15:24:39] cutwater: они в 2.2 появились
[15:24:44] Vadim Chernysh: я понял
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[15:32:01] Vadim Chernysh: унаследовал я класс MyChar(object)
[15:32:04] Vadim Chernysh: все тоже самое
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[15:33:53] Vadim Chernysh: если инстанс создать на прямую - типа c = MyChar()
[15:33:56] Vadim Chernysh: то все работает
[15:34:05] cutwater: у меня все работает, что я делаю не так
[15:34:08] cutwater: показывай код
[15:35:22] cutwater: ну ладно
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[15:40:42] cutwater: вообще по всей видимости у тебя проблема как раз в твоем чудном классе Char
[15:40:50] cutwater: который называется горе от ума
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[15:41:50] Vadim Chernysh: ну назвал я его по другому. проблема не изменилась
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[15:41:54] cutwater: эм нет
[15:41:56] cutwater: ты не понял
[15:42:17] Vadim Chernysh: мне тут советовали делать через factory, но я не вкурил
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[15:42:36] cutwater: суть в том, что у тебя когда ты делаешь экземпляр класса через Char не вызываются __get__, __set__
[15:42:43] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: правильно советовали
[15:42:45] cutwater: ибо ты написал херню
[15:42:50] Vadim Chernysh: :)
[15:43:02] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: ну почитай. сделать ф-цию вместо __new__ переопределения
[15:43:08] xa4a: Vadim Chernysh: зачем ты сделал класс с одним только __new__ ?
[15:43:33] Vadim Chernysh: xa4a: ну он пустой пока. там буду методы еще
[15:43:58] xa4a: и что? методы этого класса не идут же никуда
[15:44:32] xa4a: и сам класс ты не инстанциируешь
[15:44:34] Vadim Chernysh: если помнишь, в пятницу ты мне посоветовал сделать фактори. я в них не разобрался.
[15:44:59] cutwater: xa4a: а вот я щас теперь пытаюсь вкурить механику этого решения и почему оно так себя ведет
[15:44:59] xa4a: да
[15:45:04] cutwater: Vadim Chernysh: это печально
[15:45:13] xa4a: cutwater
Vadim Chernysh: ну почитай. сделать ф-цию вместо __new__ переопределения
[15:45:15] xa4a: это верно
[15:45:17] Vadim Chernysh: ок
[15:45:26] xa4a: посмотри, что я писал в пятницу
[15:45:31] xa4a: там была одна функция и два класса
[15:45:36] xa4a: и один от другого наследовался
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[15:46:55] Vadim Chernysh: я просто не вкурил как эту фабрику привязать к классам
[15:47:13] cutwater: xa4a: может ты мне объяснишь чего тут в New происходит и как оно работает
[15:47:29] cutwater: или я затупил на таком нестандартном решении :-D
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[15:47:39] xa4a: cutwater: я умею пользоваться __new__ только в метаклассах
[15:47:46] cutwater: ну я тоже
[15:47:56] Vadim Chernysh: это решение я нагуглил, не сам придумал
[15:48:16] xa4a: вроде в wtforms там при конструировании объекта вызывается __new__ и делает какую-то правильную магию
[15:48:26] xa4a: Vadim Chernysh: это решение другой проблемы
[15:48:33] xa4a: посмотри логи за пятницу
[15:48:43] Vadim Chernysh: смотрю логи, пытаюсь понять
[15:49:34] xa4a: (ExtendedChar if arg is Self() else BaseChar)(arg)
[15:50:00] xa4a: def Char(arg): (MyChar if arg is Self() else BaseChar)(arg) в твоём случае
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[15:51:30] xa4a: где class OtherChar(object): pass; class MyChar(OtherChar): pass
[15:51:38] cutwater: class Foo(object):
def __new__(cls, *args, **kwargs):
print '__new__', args, kwargs
return object.__new__(Bar, *args, **kwargs)
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[15:51:51] xa4a: это если ты всё ещё, как в пятницу, хочешь чтобы у других методов не было лишних
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[15:51:54] cutwater: ну вот как-то так оно больше похоже на правду если подменять один класс другим в __new__ и даже работает
[15:52:05] cutwater: но это хреновый код, я его написал только для проверки теории
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[15:53:39] Vadim Chernysh: Спасибо всем! Теперь все понял
[15:53:45] Vadim Chernysh: в пятницу не досмотрел
[15:53:55] cutwater: хм если бы
[15:54:59] cutwater: xa4a: вобщем-то ответ на то как работает __new__ и object.__new__ хрен его знает, надо обкуриться страшным мануалом
[15:55:39] xa4a: я бы остановился на предположении, что object.__new__ вызывает cls.__init__(*args, **kwargs)
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[15:56:24] xa4a: на каком-то пустом объекте и возвращает результат.
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[15:57:26] cutwater: <class '__main__.Foo'>
<__main__.Foo object at 0x1e3ab50>

пожалуй
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[15:57:41] cutwater: xa4a: ну тогда да все логично
[15:57:58] RaD: камрады, кто с django-piston и basic auth возился?
[15:58:08] cutwater: возился с первым но не вторым
[15:58:09] cutwater: увы
[15:58:21] RaD: а как ты нонанонимус доступ делал?
[15:58:39] cutwater: а никак. задачи такой не стояло. система internal usage only
[15:58:45] RaD: повезло :)
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[17:47:11] scorplex: привет
[17:47:17] xa4a: привет
[17:47:30] scorplex: помогите с реализацией
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[17:47:48] scorplex: с массивами точнее
[17:48:29] scorplex: мну нужен быстрый алгоритм проверки
[17:48:36] scorplex: есть ли элемент в массиве
[17:48:45] xa4a: просто используй не массив
[17:48:48] xa4a: в множество
[17:48:54] xa4a: или словарь
[17:49:02] scorplex: у меня массив состоит из массива
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[17:49:22] scorplex: например [1, 1], [2,2] ...
[17:50:04] scorplex: в пхп я бы сделал просто
[17:50:23] scorplex: а тут так не проходит
[17:50:35] xa4a: пхп? быстрый алгоритм?
[17:50:41] xa4a: как алгоритм связан с языком?
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[17:50:58] scorplex: ну в пхп массивы другие
[17:51:10] gigimon: чем
[17:51:14] xa4a: в массиве, если он отсортирован даже не будет быстрее проверки вхождения, чем в множестве или словаре
[17:51:38] xa4a: *, даже
[17:51:45] scorplex: ну например if isset(arr[100][100])
[17:51:45] xa4a: *даже,
[17:51:50] scorplex: тут же..
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[17:52:06] xa4a: if arr[100][100] is not None?
[17:52:15] xa4a: только это не проверка вхождения
[17:52:28] xa4a: определись, чего ты хочешь
[17:52:32] xa4a: например код на пхп
[17:52:38] xa4a: (не сюда, разумеется)
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[17:52:48] scorplex: не, нету на пхп
[17:52:57] scorplex: в общем задача такая
[17:53:04] scorplex: есть массив с координатами
[17:53:12] scorplex: разными
[17:53:13] xa4a: "в общем задача такая" с этого надо начинать
[17:53:35] scorplex: например [10, 15], [100, 200], ...
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[17:53:57] scorplex: мне нужно во первых найти самую маленькую по х
[17:54:06] scorplex: и самую большую
[17:54:11] scorplex: потом перебирать
[17:54:28] scorplex: эти листы и словари не даются
[17:54:39] gigimon: кхм, где тут про вхождение?
[17:54:48] xa4a: перебирать что?
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[17:55:10] scorplex: http://otvet.mail.ru/question/3470503/
[17:55:16] xa4a: саммая маленькая пара по х - from operator import itemgetter; min(lst, key=itemgetter(0))
[17:55:16] scorplex: там алгоритм
[17:55:39] scorplex: о
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[17:55:54] xa4a: тут не перебор нужен
[17:56:16] xa4a: это, кажется, в один проход по матрице решается
[17:56:24] scorplex: хм
[17:56:40] xa4a: это домашнее задание?
[17:56:45] scorplex: кхм
[17:56:51] scorplex: печаль
[17:56:52] xa4a: или ты на олимпиаде сейчас?
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[17:56:55] scorplex: нет
[17:56:57] xa4a: ок
[17:57:05] scorplex: просто туплю
[17:57:05] xa4a: тогда метод динамического программирования
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[17:57:34] xa4a: для каждой ячейки определить максимальный прямоугольник, в котором она находится справа-снизу
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[17:57:54] xa4a: максимальный прямоугольник = координаты верхнего левого угла
[17:58:08] xa4a: если в ячейке 0 - то None например
[17:58:09] cutwater: интересно при чем здесь php =)
[17:58:29] xa4a: эм… может тебе интересно самому решить?
[17:58:35] xa4a: а то я тут началл...
[17:58:35] scorplex: при том что я там могу задать просто массив в массиве
[17:58:44] xa4a: тут тоже
[17:58:55] scorplex: тут ключи цифровые
[17:58:58] scorplex: там любые
[17:59:09] xa4a: а) тут есть словари с любыми ключами
[17:59:16] xa4a: б) зачем тебе любые, если 0,0 ?
[18:00:01] scorplex: ну я не смог задать массив arr['asdf']['asd']
[18:00:10] scorplex: словарь точнее
[18:00:20] scorplex: причем тут 0, 0?
[18:00:28] cutwater: xa4a: я потерял нить обсуждения
[18:00:36] scorplex: я просто видать не допонимаю
[18:00:46] cutwater: scorplex: давай сначала что ты не смог с примерами кода
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[18:00:55] xa4a: scorplex: для твоей задачи не нужно ['asdf']['asd']
[18:01:05] scorplex: хорошо
[18:01:08] scorplex: не нужно
[18:01:26] scorplex: но про динамическое программирование я не понял
[18:01:49] scorplex: [17:55:39] <xa4a> для каждой ячейки определить максимальный прямоугольник, в котором она находится справа-снизу
[18:01:50] xa4a: !g решение олимпиадных задач методом динамического программирования
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[18:02:14] xa4a: второй топик, например
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[18:02:46] xa4a: scorplex: тебе решение рассказать полностью?
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[18:02:55] scorplex: ща, почитаю
[18:03:04] xa4a: это правильный ответ :)
[18:03:28] scorplex: а пока почитаю
[18:03:34] scorplex: раз тут такие умные люди
[18:04:31] cutwater: xa4a: это был сарказм?
[18:04:42] scorplex: http://dumpz.org/85786/
[18:04:46] xa4a: cutwater: что именно?
[18:04:56] scorplex: посмотрите если не сложно
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[18:05:09] scorplex: функция генерирует круг
[18:05:11] cutwater: > раз тут такие умные люди
[18:05:18] cutwater: ну ща
[18:05:24] scorplex: на вход координаты центра и радиус
[18:05:41] xa4a: cutwater: это не моё
[18:05:47] scorplex: на выходе координаты окружности
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[18:06:24] scorplex: как можно оптимизировать? или переписать?
[18:07:12] xa4a: с использованием полярных координат
[18:07:20] xa4a: и комплексных чисел, встроенных в питон
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[18:10:03] xa4a: In [6]: import math, cmath

In [7]: R = 1

In [8]: x0, y0 = 0,0

In [9]: for i in range(0, 2*pi):
...: print cmath.rect(R, i) + complex(x0, y0)
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[18:10:20] xa4a: с соответствующим range()
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[18:11:07] scorplex: хм
[18:12:21] scorplex: надо перекусить, что бы это осознать..
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[18:12:55] scorplex: разве так можно ренж задать?
[18:13:12] xa4a: нет
[18:13:26] xa4a: только если это numpy.range
[18:13:35] xa4a: но написать свой аналогичный не составит труда
[18:13:44] scorplex: numpy стоит
[18:13:49] scorplex: а он его поймет?
[18:14:44] xa4a: numpy.arange(0, math.pi, 0.1) понимает
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[18:29:15] scorplex: говорили мне в школе, учи математику, без нее не куда в программировании
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[18:39:36] scorplex: а как мне это преобразовать во что то более воспринемаемое?
[18:39:37] scorplex: (1447.75187438+1044.92503749j)
[18:39:47] scorplex: что j значит?
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[18:41:41] wiz: !google комплексные числа
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[18:42:20] xa4a: поставь ipython
[18:42:45] xa4a: и сделай x = 0+1j, а потом x.<Tab><Tab>
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[18:44:21] scorplex: ты как не то что настоящий программист, а прям сам человек алгоритм
[18:44:40] wiz: «object of type 'complex' has no len()» а жаль... (=
[18:44:40] scorplex: все ответы в виде алгоритма
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[18:49:11] scorplex: я окончательно запутался
[18:49:24] scorplex: ну пожалейте меня, у меня образование менеджера
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[18:50:54] gigimon: а зачем прогаешь?
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[18:51:41] scorplex: да скучно
[18:51:52] Vadim Chernysh: так зачем жалеть?)
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[18:54:44] scorplex: хм
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[18:55:14] scorplex: я уже 4 день пишу
[18:55:15] gigimon: scorplex: а что делать пытаешься?
[18:55:24] gigimon: есть цель? или просто мат.задачки?
[18:55:33] scorplex: стыдно сказать
[18:55:41] gigimon: да говори уж)
[18:55:43] scorplex: тогда вы мне вообще не поможите
[18:55:49] gigimon: тут всем помогают)
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[18:58:08] scorplex: ну есть игра перпетум онлайн, там есть поиск артефактов, когда пользуешься, выводится дистанция до артефакта +- погрешность около 10%, вот я и написал разпознавание символов и построение карты координат, в общем софт голосом говорит куда ехать, что то типа гпс навигатора
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[18:58:54] scorplex: ocr модуль вообще стыдно каму то показывать
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[19:01:33] scorplex: не будите помогать, да?
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[19:03:14] cutwater: scorplex: будить точно не будем.
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[19:04:35] scorplex: вот меня это всегда бесит
[19:04:48] scorplex: что на хабре что вообще любые программисты
[19:04:50] scorplex: дотошны
[19:05:01] scorplex: ну опечатался
[19:05:06] scorplex: да даже просто ошибся
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[19:06:28] scorplex: ладно, я понял
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[19:06:52] scorplex: xa4a: пасиба
[19:07:01] Vadim Chernysh: scorplex (17:42)
все ответы в виде алгоритма
я окончательно запутался
[19:07:06] Vadim Chernysh: все началось в этого
[19:07:39] scorplex: [18:37:40] <scorplex> а как мне это преобразовать во что то более воспринемаемое?
[19:07:43] scorplex: [18:37:42] <scorplex> (1447.75187438+1044.92503749j)
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[19:08:03] xa4a: поставь ipython
и сделай x = 0+1j, а потом x.<Tab><Tab>

[19:08:17] scorplex: да я без понятия как его запустить
[19:08:18] xa4a: wiz: len()?
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[19:08:34] xa4a: scorplex: тогда pyth0n.org/complex
[19:08:43] wiz: ну да. длина вектора (=
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[19:09:59] scorplex: ну это я понял
[19:10:03] scorplex: а обратно то как
[19:10:41] xa4a: wiz: abs(x)
[19:10:55] xa4a: scorplex: куда обратно?
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[19:11:22] xa4a: по ссылке пройдите
[19:11:25] scorplex: ну он создает строку как я понимаю, из реального числа и виртуального
[19:11:39] xa4a: (по ссылке в ссылке)
[19:11:44] scorplex: да почитал я
[19:11:55] xa4a: Numeric Types — int, float, long, complex <http://docs.python.org/release/2.7/library/stdtypes.html#typesnumeric>.
[19:12:06] xa4a: там - про complex
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[19:13:19] scorplex: да прочитал я
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[19:13:34] scorplex: как из него преобразовать в инт?
[19:13:42] scorplex: массив
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[19:16:34] xa4a: ещё раз прочитай
[19:16:39] xa4a: что в словах Complex numbers have a real and imaginary part, which are each implemented using double in C. To extract these parts from a complex number z, use z.real and z.imag. не понятно?
[19:17:05] scorplex: во
[19:17:19] scorplex: этого я не увидел
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[19:20:21] scorplex: рисует
[19:20:29] scorplex: давольно любопытно рисует
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[19:21:31] scorplex: http://zalil.ru/31724815
[19:21:35] xa4a: обрати внимание, что то, что у тебя рисует, скорее всего, имеет встроенную функцию для рисования окружностей
[19:21:37] scorplex: вот что должен нарисовать
[19:21:46] xa4a: .rar?
[19:21:51] scorplex: бмп
[19:21:57] scorplex: 12метров
[19:21:57] wiz: жжош
[19:22:12] scorplex: так записывает быстрее
[19:22:15] scorplex: без сжатия
[19:22:22] scorplex: но могу в пнг
[19:22:25] scorplex: надо?
[19:22:33] wiz: публиковать bmp в вебе это как-то.... ну....
[19:22:43] xa4a: ты же кроме того, что по образованию не программист, ещё и не работаешь им?
[19:22:44] scorplex: по этому рар
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[19:23:00] scorplex: почему, работаю
[19:23:14] xa4a: пичаль
[19:23:14] wiz: scorplex, а в рар тоже быстрее записывает? (=
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[19:23:37] scorplex: я по сетевой безопастности специализируюсь
[19:23:57] scorplex: да и питон я знаю на троечку
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[19:24:26] xa4a: и в интернете первый день
[19:24:42] scorplex: с чего это так?
[19:24:44] xa4a: для картинок есть специальные хостинги
[19:24:58] scorplex: вот я же говорю, все дотошные
[19:24:59] xa4a: которые и сжмиать за тебя могут, если лениво
[19:25:10] xa4a: ты так говоришь, как-будто это что-то плохое
[19:25:14] scorplex: если бмп значит нуп?
[19:25:28] xa4a: если .rar значит никто смотреть картинку не будет
[19:25:32] scorplex: 12мб грузить к ним на сервер тоже норм?
[19:25:40] xa4a: они пережмут, если надо будет
[19:25:42] xa4a: или напишут
[19:25:50] xa4a: норм - генерировать картинку сразу в png
[19:25:57] xa4a: и заливать на картинкохостинг
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[19:26:14] xa4a: которые не требует таймаута
[19:26:19] xa4a: кликов по рекламе итд
[19:26:57] scorplex: 12мб бмп заливать это долго
[19:27:09] xa4a: сожми в png
[19:27:10] scorplex: даже если сервис потом сожмет
[19:27:13] scorplex: уже
[19:27:41] xa4a: пусть вообще железяка сжимает
[19:27:57] scorplex: http://www.imgupload.org/images/910_debug.png
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[19:28:42] scorplex: первый раз я сделал рисование окружности примерно как ты мне показал
[19:28:45] scorplex: с пи
[19:29:01] scorplex: но выдавал он мне тоже что и сейчас
[19:29:24] xa4a: я не представляю о чем ты
[19:29:27] scorplex: http://www.imgupload.org/images/173_debug.png
[19:29:29] xa4a: но как я уже писал выше
[19:29:39] xa4a: обрати внимание, что то, что у тебя рисует, скорее всего, имеет встроенную функцию для рисования окружностей
[19:29:54] scorplex: рисую я для визуально представления
[19:30:00] scorplex: рисование мне не нужно
[19:30:31] xa4a: тем более. если тебе не нужно рисование, то взял бы готовую встроенную функцию, вместо изобретения своей
[19:30:46] scorplex: это какую?
[19:30:52] xa4a: а чем ты рисуешь?
[19:30:57] scorplex: pil
[19:31:04] xa4a: !g pil draw circle
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[19:31:20] scorplex: так он мне не выдаст координаты
[19:31:26] scorplex: окружности
[19:31:40] xa4a: а зачем тебе координаты?
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[19:31:47] xa4a: тебе шашечки, или ехать?
[19:32:00] scorplex: я еще раз объясняю
[19:32:10] scorplex: есть игра перпетум онлайн, там есть поиск артефактов, когда пользуешься, выводится дистанция до артефакта +- погрешность около 10%, вот я и написал разпознавание символов и построение карты координат, в общем софт голосом говорит куда ехать, что то типа гпс навигатора
[19:32:27] scorplex: сначала строится 1 круг
[19:32:36] scorplex: потом второй, накладываются
[19:32:50] scorplex: и так далее
[19:33:02] scorplex: пока не останется 1 точка
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[19:33:54] scorplex: на первой картинке обведено цветами
[19:34:10] scorplex: жолтый это то что осталось после 3 кругов
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[19:34:53] xa4a: тебе координаты не нужны
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[19:35:07] xa4a: ну...
[19:35:07] scorplex: окей, а что мне нужно?
[19:35:21] xa4a: проще же сделать на каждом шагу маску отдельную
[19:35:25] xa4a: и комбинировать их
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[19:35:40] scorplex: а круг не маска?
[19:35:50] xa4a: для этого не надо знать координаты каждой точки окружности
[19:35:58] scorplex: хм
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[19:36:09] xa4a: тебе не надо. пусть железяка сама парится
[19:36:13] scorplex: дистанция то есть радиус всегда разный
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[19:36:47] xa4a: на каждом шагу: построить маску возможного расположения твоего артефакта
[19:36:48] scorplex: как тут маску сделаешь?
[19:36:52] xa4a: белым по чёрному
[19:36:53] xa4a: кольцо
[19:37:04] xa4a: на втором шагу - построить новую маску
[19:37:17] xa4a: проANDить маски. получить профит!
[19:37:36] scorplex: ну а у меня как?
[19:37:51] xa4a: ты зачем-то считаешь координаты окружностей
[19:37:58] xa4a: я не знаю как это, но это как-то неправильно
[19:38:25] scorplex: ну а как без координат?
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[19:38:36] scorplex: я понимаю что не правильно
[19:38:39] scorplex: кажется
[19:38:46] scorplex: но как без них я не знаю
[19:39:24] xa4a: координаты ты можешь считать в самом конце. когда у тебя вышло, что пересечение масок однозначно определяет позицию твоего артефакта
[19:39:33] xa4a: но эти координаты к окружностям отношения не имеют
[19:40:27] xa4a: непосредственного
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[19:42:53] scorplex: там нужны примерные координаты в процессе определения
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[19:43:36] scorplex: лучше скажи как твой алгоритм
[19:43:48] scorplex: что бы он рисовал нормальный круг
[19:44:15] scorplex: он выдает всего 31 точку вроде как
[19:44:45] xa4a: сделай range от 0 до 2π
[19:44:50] xa4a: с маленьким шагом
[19:45:20] xa4a: ноэ
[19:45:38] xa4a: почему там полоски? ты рисуешь все круги всех радиусов +-10%?
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[19:46:09] scorplex: там +-10% к радиусу
[19:46:24] xa4a: ты исуешь все круги всех радиусов?
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[19:48:03] scorplex: да
[19:48:08] scorplex: сделал
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[19:48:18] scorplex: но работает медленее
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[19:48:29] scorplex: + по бокам некоторых точек нет
[19:48:57] scorplex: http://www.imgupload.org/images/163_debug.png
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[19:51:01] xa4a: убери всё, кроме наименьшего и наибольшего радиусов
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[19:51:34] scorplex: а алгоритм как потом сравнивать подскажешь?
[19:51:44] scorplex: накладывать
[19:51:50] scorplex: да я все это думал
[19:52:42] xa4a: это для визуализации
[19:52:49] xa4a: а сравнивать - масками
[19:53:02] scorplex: мой алгоритм круга в 2 раза быстрее
[19:53:07] scorplex: точнее не мой
[19:53:09] xa4a: маску рисовать в виде кольца - сначала большой круг белый, а потом внутри поменьше черный
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[19:53:45] xa4a: pieslice()
[19:53:48] xa4a: ф-ия в gbk
[19:53:51] xa4a: PIL
[19:53:55] xa4a: для рисования круга
[19:54:29] xa4a: не, ellipse()
[19:55:21] scorplex: то есть рисовать в памяти картинку с маской?
[19:55:35] xa4a: да
[19:55:43] xa4a: просто белые точки на черном фоне
[19:56:04] scorplex: маштабом 1 к 1?
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[19:56:55] xa4a: это уже как хочешь
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[19:57:27] scorplex: просто с моим алгоритмом памяти в разы меньше требуется
[19:57:45] scorplex: сначала он запоминает координаты круга
[19:57:53] scorplex: во второй раз уже совсем часть
[19:57:57] scorplex: в третий еще меньше
[19:58:07] scorplex: в 6 уже около 100 координат
[19:58:17] xa4a: с масками - то же самое же
[19:58:23] xa4a: тебе не обязательно хранить маски всех шагов
[19:58:24] scorplex: а по маске там нужно всегда хранить в памяти
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[19:58:30] xa4a: можно на каждом шагу сворачивать
[19:58:31] scorplex: я и не храню
[19:58:50] scorplex: координаты остаются только оставшиеся после сравнения
[19:59:08] scorplex: а с маской там всегда будет одно и тоже
[19:59:17] scorplex: просто место 1 будет 0
[19:59:27] scorplex: но память то будет использоватся
[19:59:33] xa4a: будет
[19:59:52] xa4a: до 4МБ на маску
[20:00:00] xa4a: одновременно тебе надо не больше двух масок
[20:00:00] scorplex: а в моем случаи будет меньше
[20:00:23] xa4a: жадина
[20:00:28] xa4a: :D
[20:00:33] scorplex: при первой маске около 4мб скажем, потом около 3
[20:00:36] scorplex: 2 и 1
[20:00:40] xa4a: зачем?
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[20:00:45] xa4a: просто одна маска текущая
[20:00:47] scorplex: ну я думал когда делал
[20:00:52] scorplex: но решил так
[20:01:02] scorplex: так проще расчитывать
[20:01:09] xa4a: на втором шаге посчитал новую, заменил текущую на пересечение старой текущей и новой
[20:01:10] scorplex: точнее не так
[20:01:12] scorplex: сложнее
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[20:01:32] scorplex: ну так оно и есть
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[20:02:00] scorplex: http://dumpz.org/85801/
[20:02:06] xa4a: так как это всё будет происходить внутри numpy/opencv/pil, то это выйдет в разы быстрее, чем твои питоновские циклы, перебирающие координаты
[20:02:51] scorplex: opencv то там причем?
[20:03:05] xa4a: он хорошо работает с картинками, масками
[20:03:15] xa4a: PIL умеет маски пересекать?
[20:03:26] xa4a: ок, numpy умеет
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[20:03:42] xa4a: а numpy умеет матрицы по два бита на ячейку?
[20:04:00] deepwalker: вряд ли
[20:04:19] scorplex: я пробывал пилом маску искать
[20:04:33] scorplex: выходило дольше на несколько сек чем в массиве
[20:04:41] scorplex: по этому и сделал так
[20:04:56] scorplex: точнее не на сек а меньше
[20:04:59] scorplex: но долше
[20:05:02] scorplex: дольше*
[20:05:09] xa4a: "пилом маску искать"
[20:05:19] xa4a: искать маску? как ты её искал?
[20:05:34] scorplex: ну перебором
[20:05:42] xa4a: в этом проблема
[20:06:05] scorplex: я читал читал opencv но понял что оно не поможет мне
[20:06:18] xa4a: ну пусть PIL будет, не важно
[20:06:23] xa4a: только перебора на питоне не надо
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[20:06:52] xa4a: нарисуй на черном фоне две окружности и сделай fill между ними, если PIL не умеет рисовать залитые сразу
[20:07:24] scorplex: перебор я использовал в нахождении маски
[20:07:28] scorplex: там требовалось
[20:07:55] scorplex: если я сделаю по картинкам
[20:07:59] scorplex: на пиле
[20:08:05] xa4a: а я говорю, что использовать пересечение масок при помощи numpy/opencv будет намного быстрее, чем твой перебор питоном
[20:08:10] scorplex: значит все что я писал в пустую..
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[20:08:34] xa4a: это отлично же! елси вместо тонн говнокода три строки вызова библиотечных функций
[20:09:27] xa4a: тебе же не платят за строки кода
[20:09:39] xa4a: а так - научился чему-то и работает быстрее. профит!
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[20:12:30] scorplex: ладно, допустим
[20:12:41] scorplex: ну рисование кругов не самое узкое место
[20:13:17] scorplex: как opencv найти маску на изображении?
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[20:13:33] scorplex: ну например есть массив за 0 и 1
[20:13:39] scorplex: белое и черное
[20:13:50] scorplex: как по такой маске найти?
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[20:21:52] scorplex: я что то не то спросил?
[20:22:02] xa4a: найти единички?
[20:22:08] scorplex: да
[20:22:19] xa4a: ну сначала итерируешься, пока их не станет мало
[20:22:29] xa4a: проверяя, например, с помощью гистограммы
[20:22:34] scorplex: кхм
[20:22:36] xa4a: или просто суммы
[20:22:50] xa4a: а в конце, когда их таки станет мало совсем - можно уже перебором
[20:22:52] xa4a: только один раз
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[20:23:23] scorplex: ну а подсчет суммы
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[20:23:41] scorplex: как ее без перебора сосчитать
[20:23:58] xa4a: встроенной функцикй
[20:24:04] xa4a: которая сразу же провалится в С код
[20:24:12] xa4a: встроенной в opencv, если opencv маска
[20:24:40] xa4a: http://opencv.willowgarage.com/documentation/operations_on_arrays.html#countnonzero
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[20:25:47] xa4a: нет, перебор не нужен
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[20:25:47] scorplex: вот смотри
[20:25:54] scorplex: имеем скриншот
[20:25:54] xa4a: можно взять max в маске потом
[20:26:04] scorplex: нужно найти ярлычек на рабочем столе
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[20:27:33] scorplex: и что я этой функции буду скармливать весь скриншот?
[20:27:37] scorplex: не буду
[20:27:42] scorplex: значит все равно перебор
[20:28:02] scorplex: хотя будет быстрее, да
[20:28:11] xa4a: http://opencv.willowgarage.com/documentation/python/object_detection.html#matchtemplate
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[20:29:01] xa4a: при чём это не обязательно тупой перебор
[20:29:14] xa4a: хотя не, перебор
[20:29:34] scorplex: да, эт я перепишу
[20:29:45] xa4a: в любом случае, там в конце написано как пользовать результат
[20:30:01] xa4a: ноэ.. там же была какая-то тулза для поиска картинок на скриншотах
[20:30:20] scorplex: и быстро работает?
[20:31:12] scorplex: ладно, это все хорошо
[20:31:22] scorplex: но возвращаясь к моим слонам
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[20:31:37] xa4a: http://sikuli.org/
[20:31:57] scorplex: видел
[20:31:58] scorplex: Sorry. Your operating system is not supported.
[20:32:02] scorplex: под мак
[20:32:18] xa4a: You can programmatically control a web page, a Windows/Linux/Mac OS X desktop application, or even an iphone or android application running in a simulator or via VNC.
[20:32:21] scorplex: а не
[20:32:29] scorplex: эт но скрипт
[20:32:34] xa4a: и скриншоты там все под маком
[20:32:41] scorplex: ява..
[20:33:08] xa4a: какая разница, что внутри? ты же скрипты ему пишешь на житоне всё-равно
[20:33:14] xa4a: да, opencv не будет
[20:33:26] xa4a: но тогда может оно тебе и не нужено будет?
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[20:34:31] scorplex: неа
[20:34:38] scorplex: там интерфейс
[20:34:50] scorplex: а у меня 3д игра
[20:35:17] scorplex: ну эт я переделаю под opencv
[20:35:23] scorplex: думаю будет быстро
[20:35:32] scorplex: или еще что то прикручу
[20:35:59] scorplex: щас бы алгоритм сделать, тот о котором я говорил вначале
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[20:36:16] scorplex: динамичное программирование не то немного
[20:36:26] scorplex: как я понял
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[20:36:41] xa4a: для нахождения квадрата? в самый раз, думаю
[20:36:47] xa4a: *прямоугольника единичек
[20:36:49] scorplex: прямоугольника
[20:37:07] xa4a: начинаешь с верхней левой ячейки
[20:37:08] scorplex: ну тогда я не понял его
[20:37:23] scorplex: потом в право?
[20:37:26] xa4a: потом от неё спускаешься вниз/ползёшь вправо
[20:37:49] scorplex: дык я же скидывал ссылку
[20:37:59] scorplex: это то я понял
[20:38:07] scorplex: я не понял как это реализовать
[20:38:22] scorplex: ибо мне кажется моя реализация будет минут 10 обрабатыватся
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[20:39:46] xa4a: Самым простым способом решить поставленную задачу будет: метод перебора. я дальше не читал
[20:40:55] xa4a: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2478447/find-largest-rectangle-containing-only-zeros-in-an-nn-binary-matrix
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[21:04:07] scorplex: пасиба
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[21:04:18] scorplex: очень хорошо
[21:04:24] scorplex: только вот..
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[21:05:11] scorplex: как лучше бы преобразовать мой массив что бы скормить этой функции
[21:05:39] scorplex: функцию то я и сам считай сделал
[21:05:50] scorplex: а проблема как раз в этом самом преобразовании
[21:07:10] vw: ребятки, подскажите, вот почему вот это безобразие http://pastebin.com/5iujn8i7 выполняется ~800мс, а если убрать inner join то мгновенно. вопрос конечно не по питону, но вдруг)
[21:07:40] xa4a: scorplex: похоже она принимает просто 2-д список
[21:08:18] scorplex: я что то не пойму как она вообще работает
[21:08:23] scorplex: выдает какую то фигню
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[21:08:52] xa4a: vw: post_article.content_id индекс есть?
[21:08:56] scorplex: [[0,0,0,0,1,1,1],
[0,0,0,0,0,0,0],
[0,0,0,0,0,0,1],
[0,0,0,0,0,0,1]]
[21:09:01] scorplex: подаю ей это
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[21:09:06] scorplex: выдает 3, 6
[21:09:24] vw: xa4a: есть, на content_post.id
[21:09:42] xa4a: vw: на post_article.content_id индекс есть?
[21:10:23] xa4a: scorplex: выдает макс. размер
[21:10:36] xa4a: vw: не внешний ключ, а индекс
[21:10:43] scorplex: а точно
[21:10:48] vw: да, индекс есть
[21:11:24] xa4a: vw: тогда хз. какая субд?
[21:11:33] vw: mysql, innodb
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[21:12:37] vw: xa4a вот я тоже в тупик вошел, перепробовал кучу вариантов, explain показует что там создается temporary table, но вот почему для меня загадка
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[21:13:17] xa4a: я не шарю. только и мог, что explain подсказать)
[21:13:45] vw: ) ясно, но все равно спасибо, буду рыть дальше
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[21:15:52] scorplex: да мускул тупит страшно
[21:15:55] scorplex: сам по себе
[21:15:58] scorplex: старый уже
[21:16:16] scorplex: я свою мини бд написал
[21:16:21] scorplex: типа ридиса
[21:18:04] scorplex: год уже на ней несколько серверов
[21:18:10] scorplex: вроде все гуд
[21:18:13] scorplex: кхм
[21:18:26] scorplex: как же бывает сложно объяснить иногда
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[21:19:09] scorplex: xa4a: подсказать как из list сделать удобный формат для перебора можешь?
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[21:19:45] xa4a: удобнее, чем list для перебора в питоне ничего нет
[21:20:02] xa4a: mysql старый?
[21:20:08] xa4a: uhoh
[21:20:13] scorplex: ну у меня выходит что в листе идут еще листы с координатами
[21:20:56] scorplex: ну мы когда софт сделали под мускул, он не справлялся, что только не пробывали
[21:21:13] scorplex: пришлось делать типа ридиса\мемкеша
[21:21:35] scorplex: слишком он скажем так универсален
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[21:22:25] scorplex: мускул всмысле
[21:22:33] scorplex: ну так что, подскажешь?
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[21:24:44] scorplex: в общем смысл, есть разные координаты в листе завернутые в лист
[21:24:55] scorplex: нужно составить матрицу
[21:25:16] scorplex: какие есть координаты нужно пометить 1
[21:25:20] scorplex: остальные 0
[21:25:37] scorplex: только это как то не правильно
[21:25:41] scorplex: помоему
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[21:26:41] scorplex: ладно, сам сделаю, завтра
[21:26:47] scorplex: а то уже замучал всех
[21:27:23] scorplex: всем пасиба и пока
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[22:05:35] vw: разобрались, все дело в том что использовался неправильный индекс)
[22:05:50] vw: зафорсили и получили моментальный сиквел
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