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[00:04:19] deepwalker: py_two, у тебя windows?
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[00:08:04] py_two: deepwalker: да
[00:09:05] py_two: deepwalker: мне нужно запустить компиляцию без вывода консольного приложения и распарсить вывод компиляции
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[00:17:58] deepwalker: https://github.com/mkerrin/pwt.jinja2js о как
[00:18:07] deepwalker: заюзать чтоли
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[00:26:37] py_two: deepwalker: скажи, есть норм вариант или всетаки нет ?
[00:26:42] py_two: я уже решил в принципе вопрос по-другому
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[00:26:56] py_two: незнаю, стоит ли тратить время решать оной через пайтон
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[00:28:54] deepwalker: про то как незапускать cmd, я не знаю :(
[00:29:17] deepwalker: я windows последний раз года 3 назада мельком на сервере видел
[00:29:39] deepwalker: поэтому мне и попробовать то негде
[00:29:41] py_two: отсталый
[00:29:55] py_two: :)
[00:30:54] py_two: deepwalker: что вам виндовс так не нравится всем-то ?
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[00:31:15] py_two: всех людей адекватных, которых я знаю - все сидят на винде
[00:31:56] deepwalker: ну мне сложно считать человека адекватным, если он согласен на отсутствие консоли :P
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[00:32:34] py_two: deepwalker: один человек сказал, ваша консоль откинула лет на 20 создание адекватных гуёв
[00:33:05] deepwalker: лучше расскажи, ты знаешь хоть одного человека, который ушел на linux/macos полностью, а потом решил и вернулся назад?
[00:33:07] deepwalker: я нет
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[00:33:43] deepwalker: "полностью" подразумевает, что он освоился в среде, вкурил концепцию так сказать
[00:33:44] py_two: ну я знаю человека, который кодит на островах где-то. Учились вместе
[00:34:01] py_two: он чето пишет на перле для хостинга
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[00:34:12] py_two: приехал на пятом курсе с маком в руках
[00:34:31] levsha: у нас в проекте абсолютно все разработчики на рабочих станциях ушли с windows. Стоит ubuntu, freebsd, macos
[00:35:12] py_two: а кто из разработчиков на себя работают из них ?
[00:35:15] py_two: все на дядю
[00:35:17] deepwalker: чаще всего если человек свалил с macos или linux - он просто не вкурил концепцию
[00:35:24] deepwalker: ой да ладно
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[00:35:32] py_two: не, тот чел вообще был админом фряшником
[00:35:33] deepwalker: про дядю это вот уже гон :)
[00:35:48] py_two: ой, извини, зацепил за живое
[00:35:49] py_two: :)
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[00:36:58] py_two: deepwalker: линукс неудобен
[00:37:02] deepwalker: не понял за что и кого ты зацепил, но в принципе мне не жалко, сиди в винде
[00:37:19] py_two: линукс неудобен и это не холивар
[00:37:35] deepwalker: убунту бедную уже измордовали желанием кого то затащить еще красивым гуем
[00:37:42] py_two: если конечно не быть узконаправленным спецом в одном деле
[00:38:02] deepwalker: нельзя быть спецом во всех делах
[00:38:13] py_two: deepwalker: ну как сказать
[00:38:14] deepwalker: я вот программирую сайтеги на питоне
[00:38:20] py_two: я не сомневался
[00:38:24] deepwalker: для меня linux это супер система
[00:38:31] py_two: ясно дело
[00:38:36] Сволота: я уже спать собрался идти, а тут срач :)
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[00:38:55] py_two: deepwalker: потому, что там собираются модули к питону легко
[00:39:00] py_two: а в венде - нет
[00:39:01] deepwalker: и собственно отсутствие indesign какого нибудь, или там фотошопа, мне по барабану
[00:39:26] Сволота: в венде есть cygwin
[00:39:32] deepwalker: хотя я так подозреваю что некоторое шаманство с wine может что-нибудь из этоей оперы тут запустить
[00:39:33] py_two: ну да, с такими потребностями и макос подойдет
[00:39:45] deepwalker: и?
[00:39:47] py_two: и даже видимо ос\2
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[00:40:01] deepwalker: вот последнее вряд ли
[00:40:05] Сволота: полуось разве есчё жива?
[00:40:15] deepwalker: в ней разве есть консоль?
[00:40:23] py_two: хыхыхык
[00:40:30] py_two: ну ссш никто не отменял
[00:40:39] Сволота: у полуоси нет консоли?
[00:40:40] py_two: можно сидеть на ссш и кодить на питоне сайтеги
[00:40:48] gigimon: py_two: а чем неудобен линукс?
[00:40:57] py_two: в том, что там все отваливается
[00:40:59] gigimon: по сравнению с виндой
[00:41:02] deepwalker: gigimon, скуным вечером, очевидно же
[00:41:03] py_two: или не работает с коробки
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[00:41:12] gigimon: py_two: ок, макось чем хуже винды?
[00:41:15] deepwalker: py_two, иди работай, завтрак стынет
[00:41:20] deepwalker: тролит он тут на заре
[00:41:23] py_two: ну возьмем арч
[00:41:27] gigimon: в макоси ниче не отваливается
[00:41:31] Typhon: все ОС гогно
[00:41:33] deepwalker: не, давайте пардус
[00:41:36] Typhon: макос не пригодна для разработки тоже
[00:41:37] deepwalker: я за пардус
[00:41:40] Typhon: даже пакетов нету!
[00:41:50] deepwalker: пардус единственно правоверный и светский одновременно
[00:41:51] Typhon: всё гогно :'(
[00:42:00] Сволота: арч самое что не на есть удобное
[00:42:00] gigimon: Typhon: :-(
[00:42:01] deepwalker: так есть ПОРТЫ!
[00:42:07] Typhon: порты не в може
[00:42:08] Typhon: моде
[00:42:09] py_two: линукс костыли вечные. Кде собрание багов, гном уныл
[00:42:12] Typhon: homebrew же
[00:42:13] gigimon: Typhon: brew
[00:42:13] py_two: я могу обосновать
[00:42:22] deepwalker: py_two, а кому оно надо?
[00:42:26] Сволота: любые пакеты ставятся одной командой
[00:42:29] gigimon: py_two: макось тоже хуже винды для разработки?
[00:42:33] Typhon: в винде невозможно программировать, либо виртуалки, либо putty до сервака
[00:42:35] deepwalker: vlc работает вот у меня
[00:42:40] py_two: gigimon: под петон не знаю:)
[00:42:47] Typhon: макось удобнее винды, но тоже гогно
[00:42:50] deepwalker: а утебя видимо нет, раз развлечения найти не можешь в вечеру :D
[00:43:06] py_two: макос платные приложения
[00:43:14] gigimon: в винде прогать кроме софта под винду ниче нельзя
[00:43:18] py_two: на венде весь опенсор норм работает
[00:43:20] Typhon: у меня ни одного платного нету на макоси
[00:43:23] gigimon: py_two: в винде тоже не все халявное
[00:43:24] deepwalker: макос - весь опенсорс представлен практически
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[00:43:30] py_two: gigimon: всё:)
[00:43:32] gigimon: py_two: на маке тоже))
[00:43:43] gigimon: весь опенсорс работает даже лучше
[00:43:43] Typhon: emacs + iterm2 + adium + opera/chrome
[00:43:54] Сволота: в линупсах тоже есть virtualbox
[00:43:54] deepwalker: давайте лучше по теме срач разведем
[00:44:15] py_two: хром еще тот бравзер
[00:44:16] deepwalker: pypy я вот недавно слышал что сделали stackless с hit
[00:44:19] deepwalker: с jit
[00:44:28] deepwalker: а никак найти не могу, как его погонять
[00:44:33] deepwalker: может ветка какая в репе
[00:44:37] gigimon: разве он не из коробки?
[00:44:41] Typhon: dabeaz не смог что-то собрать
[00:44:46] Typhon: НА МАКОСИ ПОТОМУ ЧТО!
[00:44:52] py_two: я не веб-девелопер, мне этот линукс до фени
[00:44:53] deepwalker: на сайте так и написано, что jit не поддерживает stackless
[00:45:01] deepwalker: py_two, а чего пишешь то?
[00:45:13] Typhon: """py_two: я не веб-девелопер, мне этот линукс до фени""" -- годная шутка!
[00:45:26] deepwalker: ясен пень, что писать под винду лучше под виндой )
[00:45:33] py_two: deepwalker: ну да:)
[00:45:34] gigimon: под винду на питоне?
[00:45:38] Сволота: /me шутку про вебразработку не понял
[00:45:39] gigimon: да вы извращенцы!
[00:45:49] Typhon: писать под венду ПРОГРАММЫ СКЛАДСКОГО УЧЁТА
[00:45:50] deepwalker: а чего?
[00:45:59] deepwalker: qt в зубы и вперед
[00:46:01] gigimon: есть же .net!
[00:46:04] Typhon: под венду питон ок, так как системного нету
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[00:46:11] Typhon: и с версиями не накосячишь
[00:46:15] gigimon: deepwalker: ну на qt можно откуда угодно подо что угодно писать (:
[00:46:16] Typhon: просто интерпретатор бандли
[00:46:52] deepwalker: .net no way
[00:46:57] py_two: есть:)
[00:46:59] deepwalker: я за pypy everywhere
[00:47:06] py_two: в корпорейт среде дотнет ща вообще улёт
[00:47:20] deepwalker: java - трольчеги из оракле, .net - трольчеге из мс
[00:47:30] py_two: ну да, так и есть
[00:47:35] deepwalker: pypy - выбор свободномыслящего сообщества
[00:47:48] py_two: я работал в крупных конторах - там весь девелопинг на дотнет
[00:47:58] py_two: коденг на миллионы рублей
[00:48:01] deepwalker: брр
[00:48:08] Сволота: вот потому то они и крупные
[00:48:29] Сволота: для дотнета надо много людей, много кода и много бабла
[00:48:33] deepwalker: в крупных я бы на питоне писать не стал - уровнеь скачет, если нет толкового ревью, писец котенку
[00:48:36] py_two: неа
[00:48:41] py_two: не надо много людей
[00:48:51] py_two: штат из 10 человек кодит всё подряд
[00:48:56] deepwalker: хрен разберешь проект на питоне, который писали валенки
[00:49:12] deepwalker: хотя может и дот нет оно тоже не сладко
[00:49:16] py_two: анализ кода и сопровождение - вообще лихое дело:)
[00:49:34] py_two: легше самому переписать
[00:49:43] deepwalker: во во
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[00:49:48] deepwalker: потому и стоит миллионы :D
[00:49:58] py_two: ну мож и так:)
[00:50:02] Сволота: дотнет используется кучей разный языков, некоторые из них мне даже нравятся
[00:50:03] deepwalker: что неединожды значит такое решение же приходило
[00:50:46] deepwalker: это да, вот только .net -> mono. А mono УГ, которое обречено быть УГ
[00:51:02] deepwalker: Вот если бы .net был опенсорс
[00:51:13] deepwalker: то можно было бы беседовать на эту тему
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[00:51:40] deepwalker: а так даже багу же не поправить
[00:51:56] py_two: пишите на асемблере:)
[00:52:02] py_two: там все баги можно поправить
[00:52:25] Сволота: не только поправить, но и добавить
[00:52:42] py_two: прикинь извратиться, написать веб-сервер со своей разметкой
[00:52:49] py_two: нафиг этот унылый штмл
[00:53:19] Сволота: согласен, json и xml на всё хватит
[00:53:23] Typhon: есть же уже
[00:53:24] py_two: ладно, я уже перегибаю палку с троллингом:)
[00:54:11] Сволота: py_two: тебя тут просто откормили :-D
[00:54:24] py_two: Сволота: ну ты и сволота:)
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[00:55:11] py_two: есть тут вимеры ?
[00:55:43] py_two: эмаксеров уже определил
[00:55:43] Сволота: какая разница, kate всёравно удобней
[00:55:54] py_two: кейт на венде не запускается
[00:56:01] deepwalker: запускается
[00:56:16] Сволота: разве кеды на венду не портировали?
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[00:56:22] deepwalker: можешь поставить kde4 на венду
[00:56:27] py_two: да канешн
[00:56:36] py_two: из-за кейт весь кде
[00:56:40] deepwalker: так шта венда тупая, и кде на ней глючный
[00:56:50] py_two: и в линуксе он глючный
[00:56:58] py_two: т.е везде одинаковый
[00:56:59] deepwalker: хз, не глючнее венды
[00:57:04] py_two: да ладн
[00:57:08] Сволота: зачем весь, когда надо только базу?
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[00:57:16] py_two: изврат:)
[00:57:18] deepwalker: ну у меня стоит, вроде не тупит особо
[00:57:22] py_two: кейт говно
[00:57:22] Сволота: а, ну это ж венда...
[00:57:34] py_two: кейт компилировать не умеет
[00:57:47] deepwalker: нотепад тоже :)
[00:57:59] Сволота: компилировать умеет gcc и прочие
[00:58:11] py_two: ага, через консолб
[00:58:15] py_two: консоль
[00:58:30] py_two: бррр, ну вы даете
[00:59:03] deepwalker: да, такой же ведь страх сказать `make`
[00:59:27] deepwalker: ладно, ради трепа мне влом искать как повесить компилинг на кнопку
[00:59:28] py_two: а если 10 проектов
[00:59:30] Сволота: у меня kate сейчас перекомпелирует кофескрпт и запускает сразу фаерфокс
[00:59:37] py_two: всем говорить мейк нау ?
[00:59:47] deepwalker: кнопку назначь
[00:59:48] Сволота: одной кнопкой
[00:59:58] deepwalker: всем учить приходится, ээх
[01:00:47] py_two: deepwalker: ладно, когда опитонюсь - тогда и поставлю линукс и кейт с кедами
[01:00:59] deepwalker: не найдо кейт :)
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[01:01:21] deepwalker: поставь вайн, там есть портированный notepad
[01:01:35] deepwalker: чтобы значит не испытать шока от смены среды
[01:02:15] py_two: deepwalker: я джентушник с 6 стажем
[01:02:28] deepwalker: для тех кто помнит win311 там еще и диспетчер файлов есть
[01:02:41] Сволота: или надо привыкнуть к нетбинсу/эклипсу/идее или другой жабофильской херне
[01:02:55] deepwalker: да ладно заливать, не переживай, мы тебя и так уже любим
[01:02:58] deepwalker: с вендой
[01:03:06] deepwalker: просто будь собой
[01:03:08] py_two: deepwalker: ой ну польщен:)
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[01:03:41] deepwalker: ну ты в курсе, надо короче сидеть тупить, а потом резко поверить в себя, и все будет оке
[01:03:52] Сволота: гента, это то говно где на каждый чих надо выставлять юзфлаги?
[01:03:58] deepwalker: чем дольше тупить, тем круче эффект
[01:04:05] py_two: deepwalker:
[01:04:17] deepwalker: py_two, ?
[01:04:44] py_two: deepwalker: ну скажем я знаю не один язык программирования, но года уже не те, всё сложнее новое разбирать
[01:04:51] py_two: поэтому и кажется, что туплю
[01:04:59] deepwalker: тю
[01:05:24] deepwalker: это ж был краткий пересказ стапитнадцати фильмов про то как в конце герой врезко поверил в себя
[01:05:55] deepwalker: и компенсировал полтора часа рефлексии резким пятиминутным феерверком крутизны
[01:05:57] Сволота: поверил в себя и стал героем :)
[01:06:22] py_two: Сволота: ой ну не утрируй
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[01:07:36] py_two: я давно уже верю в себя
[01:07:48] deepwalker: Typhon, dabeaz хотел jit со stackless собрать?
[01:08:08] deepwalker: мне вот интересно, где его взять
[01:08:11] py_two: ладно, не хочу распыляться. Я вас тоже всех люблю ценю и уважаю
[01:08:12] Typhon: deepwalker, хз, просто pypy http://twitter.com/#!/dabeaz/status/118418665707274240
[01:08:24] py_two: у нас просто направленности разные
[01:09:03] deepwalker: py_two, ты что-то вдруг воспринял троллинг, ты это брось
[01:09:24] py_two: deepwalker: понял, молчу
[01:09:34] Typhon: deepwalker, я смотрю рассылку, не вижу "stackless + jit"
[01:09:46] deepwalker: твит какой-то пробегал
[01:09:48] Typhon: чувак пока в последнем треде про "stacklets" рассказывает
[01:09:57] Typhon: Basically a "stacklet" is just a one-shot continuation. The name
"stacklet" is going to be internal; at app-level it's just called a
continuation.
[01:10:44] Typhon: In the stacklet branch you get a new built-in module called
"_continuation" which has only one function: "new", also exposed under
the name "callcc", for the reference to various functional programming
languages.
[01:10:57] Typhon: callcc будет, гг
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[01:11:57] Сволота: вот на продолжениях можно реализовать генераторы, а на генераторах продолжения можно?
[01:13:44] Typhon: afaik, да. на корутинах
[01:13:52] deepwalker: а что за тред такой?
[01:15:06] Typhon: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2011-September/008210.html
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[12:33:22] Magister Yoda: привет! подскажите пожалуйста, у меня есть функции, где есть работа с urllib, можно ли какой-то один декоратор навесить на все эти функции (или может на функцию, которая вызывает все эти функции), так чтобы они работали через прокси сервер?
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[12:40:09] xa4a: можно поменять переменные окружения?
[12:40:13] xa4a: !g urllib proxy
[12:41:40] Magister Yoda: xa4a: а чо нельзя то?
[12:41:43] Magister Yoda: можно
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[12:46:03] xa4a: поздравляю. ты сам ответил на свой ворос
[12:46:15] Magister Yoda: =)
[12:46:35] Magister Yoda: xa4a: а ты навёл на него. спасибо =)
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[13:51:22] mr.oduvan: народ, а подскажите как в гите обновить определенную папку до определенной версии?
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[13:59:10] mr.oduvan: почему? я обновляю папке до какой-то версии? и в текущей версии - все файлы этой папки значатся как измененные?
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[14:01:15] levsha: гит работает со всем деревом файлов, которое лежит в его репозитории. Поэтому он обновляет всё дерево, а не отдельные папки
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[14:03:26] xa4a: тем не менее git checkout --patch [<tree-ish>] [--] [<paths>...]
[14:03:51] xa4a: или это не то?
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[14:12:14] mr.oduvan: ох... что-то я не той стороной ман читал
[14:12:19] mr.oduvan: Спасибо, помогло
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[14:25:57] deepwalker: http://deepwalker.ru/post/10723180673/freeswitch-creator-used-dmca-to-ban-alternative-codec я оказывается злобный русский хакер, который просто прям нарушил dmca злостно :D
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[14:30:21] xa4a: там :
[14:30:24] xa4a: приклеился
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[14:31:58] deepwalker: ага, tnx
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[16:15:45] mishok13: чото я не вкурил
[16:16:06] mishok13: deepwalker, а в чем конкретно твое нарушение DMCA?
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[16:22:02] Trec: Если нужно добавить таблицы в существующую модель, то команда syncdb сгенерит новые таблицы к существующим?
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[16:33:26] nmk: Trec: да
[16:33:32] nmk: хотя стой
[16:33:46] nmk: модель и есть таблица. имел ввиду в существующую аппликуху?
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[16:35:53] Trec: к существующим написал ещё модели, и они не генерились, покосил всё кроме самих полей, создались, сука, мистика
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[17:03:51] xa4a: mishok13: в том, что нарушил лицензию + выложил чужой запатентованный код?
[17:03:59] xa4a: кодек*
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[17:08:53] mishok13: но, блин, код был открыт под MPL и при этом (судя по письму) был запатентованый кусок кода
[17:08:57] mishok13: хрень какая-то, не?
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[17:56:54] xa4a: это разные коды
[17:56:57] xa4a: запатентован - кодек
[17:56:58] Typhon: !wtf regroup
[17:57:22] xa4a: а под MPL - какая-то прога, к которой оп написал модуль, в который включил запатентованный кодек
[17:57:54] mishok13: хрень какая-то
[17:58:38] mishok13: если он включил запатентованый кодек в программу под лицензией MPL — это уже само по себе нарушение
[17:58:48] mishok13: или я вообще не понимаю о чем речь
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[18:00:50] xa4a: я из поста понял что так.
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[18:03:34] xa4a: !g mpl
[18:03:41] xa4a: !g mpl license
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[18:06:09] nmk: а никто не встречал сервиса типа как anonymous email, только для sms? т.е. типа они дают какой-то номер на мне очень упоротый сервис шлет какой-то конфирмейшн
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[18:06:49] xa4a: вконтактике регистрируешься? :)
[18:07:08] nmk: да если б
[18:07:29] nmk: на "мой мир"
[18:08:19] levsha: сервисы есть. Только номер денег стоит
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[18:10:14] nmk: levsha: например какой?
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[18:13:20] levsha: nmk: http://www.cardboardfish.com/products/business/httpsms_xmlsms.html , http://www.hslsms.com/coverage-and-pricing/optional-extras/
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[18:15:09] nmk: levsha: спс. дороговато..
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[18:16:01] levsha: купи симку на раскладке
[18:16:17] levsha: под акцию какую-нибудь вообще на шару можно найти
[18:17:07] nmk: да у меня дома есть
[18:17:10] nmk: только оно дома..
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[18:31:07] deepwalker: mishok13, да ну черт его знает, наверное оно там есть, но мне пофиг :)
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[18:32:02] deepwalker: мне уже предложили местечко куда его кинуть
[18:32:25] deepwalker: но хочется значит развить тему на реддите - куда там лучше кинуть?
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[20:39:23] eg85: Здравствуйте, не могу понять, почему происходит одна вещь. Сделал тестовую программу, которая получает с помощью psutil список процессов и выдает пару имя - занимаемая память. Каждый раз, когда запускаю программу, получаю одинаковый вывод, хотя по логике что-то должно все-таки меняться. В чем может быть проблема?
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[20:45:29] levsha: вероятно берёшь size . Он у процессов не особо меняется
[20:45:51] cutwater: eg85: ты бы код показал
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[20:51:44] eg85: Извиняюсь, http://pastebin.com/B4PjdpGS
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[21:04:23] levsha: eg85: вывод немного меняется
[21:04:43] levsha: если ты ожидаешь что у всех процессов постоянно будет изменяться rss, то зря
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[21:05:59] eg85: levsha: А почему? Где-нибудь можно об этом почитать?
[21:06:12] levsha: eg85: что почему? А почему должен?
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[21:11:43] eg85: levsha: Почему rss не изменяется? Мне казалось, что этот параметр должен постоянно меняться.
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[21:26:53] xa4a: хм. ни у кого нет линка на презентацию о том, что Monad is a Fluffy Cloud?
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[21:26:57] xa4a: про монады, на жабе
[21:27:30] levsha: eg85: почему тебе казалось что этот параметр должен постоянно меняться?
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[21:30:26] xa4a: и ещё, что нынче модно советовать читать из опенсорса для пропитонивания начинающих питонистов?
[21:30:32] eg85: levsha: наверное, потому что я мало об этом знаю.
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[21:33:56] asd__: привет всем
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[21:34:46] asd__: может кто подсказать как на русском обозвать "bound method"
[21:35:01] asd__: напрмер, self.method
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[21:35:32] eg85: levsha: Спасибо большое за помощь, буду разбираться
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[21:37:18] xa4a: asd__: чиво?
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[21:38:23] asd__: xa4a: ну в исходном тексте написано "This option specifies a function, or (as in this case) a bound method, which will be called when the button is clicked.". Как точно перевести "bound method" ?
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[21:39:16] xa4a: связанный метод
[21:39:33] xa4a: связанный как в "позднее связывание"
[21:39:40] asd__: xa4a: так оно и называется в терминологии питона?
[21:39:55] xa4a: в терминологии питона оно называется на английском
[21:39:59] xa4a: да bound method
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[21:40:06] asd__: спасибо
[21:40:29] asd__: выходит русских терминов нет почти
[21:40:35] xa4a: bound method - функция, определённая в классе, который в качестве первого аргумента уже подставился инстанс
[21:40:43] xa4a: *которой
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[21:41:36] asd__: xa4a: то есть self.__init__(self), например?
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[22:04:48] xa4a: то есть self.__ini__ например
[22:04:53] xa4a: то есть self.__iniе__ например
[22:04:57] xa4a: то есть self.__init__ например
[22:05:23] asd__: ну это как прмер метода из этого же класса
[22:05:34] xa4a: можно и из другого
[22:05:38] asd__: self.somemethod(self)
[22:05:43] xa4a: ну.. короче когда ты вызываешь точку у инстанса
[22:05:55] xa4a: инстанс (точка) имя_метода
[22:06:00] asd__: ff
[22:06:02] asd__: ааа
[22:06:04] xa4a: возвращает тебе связанный метод
[22:06:13] xa4a: у которого связан - первый аргумент
[22:06:20] xa4a: а остальные он ещё ждёт, что ты ему передашь
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