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[03:05:28] xa4a: /me придумал, о чём мог бы рассказать на pycon. но полноценного доклада без roomba-пылесоса не выйдет :(
[03:08:49] Typhon: выступай на лайтинг раунде :-)
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[03:10:36] xa4a: все-равно надо пылесос)
[03:11:22] xa4a: а то я вот видел последние 4 вечера, и настрочил чего-то из tornado + websockets + pyro + pyrobot
[03:12:10] xa4a: дальше причесать и выложить в бложеке
[03:12:22] xa4a: на лайтинге можно, конечно, но без демонстрации - не совсем то)
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[12:03:07] wiz: Кто-нибудь помнит, как проект назывался, который для джанги(вроде) делает API аналитики. там ещё что-то было вроде kick("shit.happens")
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[12:03:27] wiz: в djangodash вроде были
[12:04:45] wiz: о, выгуглил... http://staste.unfoldthat.com/
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[16:13:35] so_doshin: Люди, подскажите, пожалуйста, как исходники джанго можно посмотреть?
[16:14:48] cutwater: скачать джанго
[16:14:51] cutwater: и постотреть
[16:14:59] deepwalker: github.com, там репа вроде есть
[16:15:03] so_doshin: не, как готовый пример на своем компе запустить
[16:15:08] deepwalker: хм, или нет
[16:15:13] cutwater: /me нихера не понял
[16:15:30] deepwalker: а что за комп?
[16:15:33] so_doshin: просто где то просто надо базу синхронизировать, а где то нет
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[16:15:45] so_doshin: домашний компьютер
[16:15:56] deepwalker: отлично, с домашней операционной системой
[16:16:04] so_doshin: это не важно
[16:16:05] deepwalker: поставь под него домашнюю версию питона
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[16:16:30] so_doshin: как мне запустить исходники скажем python.su
[16:16:39] xa4a: O_o
[16:16:42] deepwalker: где блин их запустить
[16:16:46] deepwalker: что за система
[16:16:59] deepwalker: какой у вас уровень уважаемый
[16:17:08] so_doshin: уровень чего
[16:17:09] xa4a: а у них исходники открыты?
[16:17:14] so_doshin: да
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[16:17:30] xa4a: там джанга?
[16:17:34] so_doshin: да
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[16:17:58] deepwalker: so_doshin, http://www.citforum.ru/howto/smart-questions-ru.shtml
[16:18:01] xa4a: скачиваешь, распаковыаешь, ставишь все зависимости, python manage.py runserver
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[16:18:25] nmk: xa4a: syncdb еще
[16:18:30] xa4a: угу..
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[16:18:47] xa4a: so_doshin: но учти, что запустить готовый пример != посмотреть исходники джанго
[16:19:14] so_doshin: в том и дело что syncdb ошибки выдает
[16:19:14] xa4a: !wtf questions http://citforum.ru/howto/smart-questions-ru.shtml
[16:19:22] xa4a: so_doshin: и...
[16:19:25] deepwalker: so_doshin, я не зря ссылку дал
[16:19:30] xa4a: исправь их, чего там
[16:19:53] deepwalker: это блин неуважение изливать обрывки своих мыслей с вопросительными знаками на конце
[16:20:17] deepwalker: то есть исходники джанго он уже скачал
[16:20:20] deepwalker: видимо
[16:20:30] deepwalker: и видел их в виде архива на диске
[16:20:36] deepwalker: задача я считаю решена
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[16:47:22] nmk: data[1][0][1][len(data[1][0][1])-1]
[16:47:24] nmk: как же заебали
[16:47:38] Typhon: wtf?!
[16:47:53] nmk: https://github.com/ambyte/Vertaler/blob/master/src/modules/translategoogle.py
[16:48:28] xa4a: ээ
[16:48:47] xa4a: это я не распарсил, или if/else ветки не отличаются?
[16:49:15] nmk: xa4a: :)
[16:49:30] nmk: это http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/129317/#habracut
[16:49:57] xa4a: nmk: отправь туда патч с ещё одной веткой elif data[1][0][1][-1] == row
[16:50:50] nmk: xa4a: да ну не. у меня есть просто теория, что за таким большим и жирным описанием в коде должен быть просто пиздец
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[16:57:27] nmk: а на гитхабе больше низя комменты к строчкам писать ?
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[17:01:40] xa4a: а раньше можно было?
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[17:02:00] nmk: я уже начинаю сомневаться. но мне кажется, что я это делал.
[17:02:08] nmk: т.е. жмешь на номер строчки, там форма
[17:02:08] Typhon: можно было
[17:02:16] Tony: можно было
[17:02:27] Tony: даже в пулл реквестах
[17:02:35] nmk: Tony: а щас всё?
[17:03:26] Tony: хз. уже давненько не юзал гитхаб по полной
[17:03:50] Typhon: можно ща
[17:03:56] Typhon: https://github.com/camlunity/kamlo_wiki/commit/cf2233f6bd1aa82ebef26d90602d91364762c100#commitcomment-634318
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[17:04:30] nmk: а. наверное только в коммитах можно
[17:04:46] Typhon: ну да
[17:04:52] Typhon: note же к коммиту лепица
[17:05:47] nmk: память меня подвела, значит ;)
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[17:39:56] mishok13: стоп, гуглетранслейт так низя использовать
[17:40:38] mishok13: что за дегенератская привычка включать копирайт в каждый файл?
[17:40:49] gigimon: это IDE делает
[17:41:00] mishok13: настроить IDE
[17:41:04] mishok13: или выбросить нахуй
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[17:41:25] mishok13: не указана версия лицензии
[17:41:40] mishok13: юзай хоть под LGPL v1
[17:42:36] nmk: mishok13: это все что тебе не понравилось в коде? :)
[17:42:51] mishok13: код просто адпизды
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[17:44:31] mishok13: тут все складывается в общую картину пиздеца
[17:44:50] mishok13: ужасный код, непониманией лицензии, игнорирование Google ToS
[17:45:04] mishok13: русские девелоперы, беспощадные и бесчувственные
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[17:46:15] xa4a: mishok13: а куда ещё копирайт втыкать, как не в каждый файл?
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[17:46:46] mishok13: да никуда его не втыкать, в корневой директории отдельный файлец
[17:47:00] mishok13: и там хоть тысячу строк лицензии держи, вместе с копирайтами
[17:47:39] xa4a: дык смысл у тебя стырят файлы, а ты потом докажи, что они тобой закопирайчены
[17:47:40] mishok13: эта безумная традиция, копирайт куда ни попадя пришла из 70ых, когда исходники печатали на бумаге
[17:47:59] mishok13: охлол, ты думаешь процесс удаления хедеров занимает больше 1-ой минуты?
[17:48:51] mishok13: тем более "стырят" в случае LGPL звучит смешно
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[17:59:06] Tony: согласен с михаилом
[17:59:23] Tony: дрочево на лицензии зачастую пук в лужу
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[18:02:43] nmk: он не михаил :)
[18:02:58] Tony: да ладно
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[18:04:28] xa4a: копирайт != лицензии
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[18:11:08] xa4a: лицензия <=> права пользования/распространения, копирайт <=> права авторства, владения
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[18:31:27] mishok13: xa4a, я еще раз повторюсь — можешь обьяснить как хедер в файле защищает от нарушения авторских прав?
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[18:32:15] mishok13: авторство ты все равно доказать сможешь только предоставив доказательства, хедер в *твоем* файле таковым не является
[18:32:15] xa4a: 1) берёшь любой файл с хедером с копирайтом
[18:32:20] xa4a: 2) копируешь несколько строчек в гугл
[18:32:36] xa4a: получается, что является
[18:32:46] xa4a: т.к. 3) ищешь чужие исходники с твоим кодом
[18:32:58] mishok13: ооо, да ты я смотрю в судах бывал
[18:32:58] xa4a: 4) подаёшь в суд, мол, у меня вот написано - копират 2001
[18:33:25] mishok13: и первый же суд попросит у тебя доказательства что ты не взял чужой код и не прилепил к нему твой хедер
[18:34:30] xa4a: у меня сертифицированный энтерпрайзный vcs который хранит всю историю
[18:34:53] xa4a: (наверно vcs для этого делают энтерпрайзными?)
[18:35:11] mishok13: вот коммит-лог — это доказательство, при условии что гитхаб/битбакет/сорсфорж предоставят лог с сервера
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[18:35:44] mishok13: как там братья Винклвос, доказали что их код спиздили, да?
[18:36:15] xa4a: вот и зря не проставили копирайтов!1
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[18:37:10] xa4a: эм.. а что за братья? фейсбучники?
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[18:37:39] mishok13: жертвы цукерберга бгг
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[20:28:39] Magister Yoda is now «Музыкальная дрожь» http://www.factroom.ru/facts/7967
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[20:31:53] Magister Yoda: привет, всем! http://dumpz.org/90849/ - что он хочет? в смысле я вижу, что просит zlib. но где его взять?
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[20:32:31] xa4a: в гугле?
[20:32:35] Tony: +
[20:32:46] xa4a: мне, обычно, когда чего-то надо - гугл даёт
[20:33:27] xa4a: ты сам питон компилял?
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[20:33:48] xa4a: почему ты не используешь pip?
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[20:41:10] cutwater: Magister Yoda: напомни на каком ты курсе?
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[20:53:21] tranq: кто-нить может снять проверку капчи на входе?
[20:53:38] xa4a: !voice tranq
[20:53:42] xa4a: !voice tranq@jabber.org
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[20:54:35] tranq: спасибо
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[20:56:20] tranq: а что за прикол с хабром, лимит на 5-ять страниц?
[20:56:50] d1ffuz0r: хабр стал неторт
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[20:57:25] xa4a: /me читает хабр исключительно в гугл.ридере
[20:57:38] d1ffuz0r: ага
[20:57:50] tranq: что модно тогда ? :(
[20:57:52] xa4a: только иногда вылажу, если очень кушать хочется
[20:58:22] xa4a: tranq: reddit.com/r/programming
[20:58:23] d1ffuz0r: tranq: посты про джобса сегодня в моде
[20:59:44] tranq: р.и.п ему. не яблоковод.
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[21:11:24] Magister Yoda: xa4a: kak raz pip i hochu ustanovit', no dlay etogo nugen setuptools
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[21:14:03] Typhon: ну скомпилил без злиба
[21:14:07] Typhon: и без ссл
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[21:18:28] d1ffuz0r: в убунте юнити на ноуте юзабелен?
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[21:20:10] Magister Yoda: Typhon: hz. vidimo... seyachas s nimi poishcu kak skompilit'
[21:20:30] Typhon: d1ffuz0r: юнити не юзабелен
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[21:42:55] Magister Yoda: Typhon: http://www.1stbyte.com/2005/06/26/configure-and-compile-python-with-zlib/ вот с zlib'ом скомпилить попытался - нифига, в конце ворнинг вылезает - неизвестная опция
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