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[00:07:29] xa4a: Magister Yoda: работает? не трогай.
[00:07:43] Magister Yoda: xa4a: окей =)
[00:08:04] NTAngel: try:
self.initConfig( filename )
general = self.parseGeneralSection()
testPlan = TestPlan( general[:4] )
except KeyError as e :
print( 'Parse test-plan failed. Error: "%s"' % e.args[0], file=sys.stderr )
raise PlanParserError( e.args[0] )
кроме как args можно еще как-то получить текстсовку ошибки у KeyError , просто не обнаружил у него реализованного __str__() ?
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[00:24:53] xa4a: можно сделать str(e)
[00:24:58] xa4a: обычно помогает
[00:25:02] xa4a: NTAngel: ^
[00:25:13] NTAngel: млять, все, спать пора ))))
[00:25:21] xa4a: только э
[00:25:26] xa4a: import logging
[00:25:33] xa4a: logging.exception
[00:25:38] xa4a: за тебя рапарсит как надо
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[00:25:56] NTAngel: неее, логгинг еще в туду-списке изучения
[00:26:09] xa4a: там учить 15 минут
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[00:26:24] NTAngel: все концептуально надо )))
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[00:28:12] levsha: NTAngel: вообще насколько я понимаю дергать явно obj.__str__() дурной тон. Надо делать str(obj)
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[00:29:05] NTAngel: ну его не обязательно дергать. Если его реализовать, то можно просто объект писать и этот __str__ сам вызовется )
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[01:16:47] Injector: ребят, есть такая структура XML
<a>
<b>
<c></c>
<b></b>
</b>
</a>
когда я читаю getElementsByName("b") возвращает все таги <b> + все субтаги, которые внутри <b>, а я хочу чтоб вернул только таги без cубтагов, подскажите как сделать грамотно?
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[01:22:32] xa4a: может какой-то xpath: b[not(//b)] ?
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[01:24:36] Injector: даа, вроде то что ндо, а пример кода можно, чтобы первых childs возвращал, в глубину не лез?
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[03:20:57] neoascetic: что вы юзаете (если юзаете) в качестве анализатора python? варианты: pyflakes, pylint
[03:20:58] neoascetic: и почему
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[08:41:19] Magister Yoda: Привет всем. supervisor'ом кто-то пользуется? Покажите пример sock-файла его
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[09:10:14] Paradoxx: Привет всем, внезапно главная страница админки джанги начала долго открываться, секунд 30, внутри все работает быстро, есть идеи? Сервер Апач, в логах чисто.
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[09:37:05] xa4a: Paradoxx: посмотри каким-то файрьагом, на что время тратится
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[10:13:15] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/l61yd/codesprint_starting_in_4_hours_100_companies/
[10:14:26] Magister Yoda: на одном сервере могут сосуществовать apache и nginx?
[10:14:55] Tony: хоть апач чероки нгинкс лайти и хуй проеби что одновременно
[10:14:56] Paradoxx: Magister Yoda: на разных портах почему бы и нет?
[10:15:12] Magister Yoda: понял
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[10:22:37] Paradoxx: xa4a: время тратится как раз на главную, 41s )))
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[15:38:24] xa4a: кто-то уже тыкал DART?
[15:38:36] xa4a: mishok13: как ощущения?
[15:38:54] mishok13: я бы не сказал, что я много потыкал
[15:39:03] mishok13: часок с утра попрыгал по документации
[15:39:15] mishok13: выглядит энтерпрайзненько, но всяко лучше жабоскрипта
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[15:44:14] xa4a: main() {
print(1/0);
} => Infinity
[15:44:16] xa4a: пичаль :(
[15:44:37] mishok13: интересно
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[15:48:56] mishok13: я так понял, в спеке ничего про это не написано
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[15:53:40] xa4a: похоже нет
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[15:54:24] deepwalker: шо за дарт?
[15:54:27] deepwalker: гуглоязык?
[15:54:32] Magister Yoda: да
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[15:54:49] deepwalker: а он уже есть и его можно тыкать?
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[16:01:38] mishok13: можешь попробовать здесь http://www.dartlang.org/
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[16:02:12] mishok13: или так http://try-dart-lang.appspot.com/
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[16:30:30] mishok13: мда, с делением по тупому вышло
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[16:55:19] deepwalker: а как должно было выйти? исключение в смысле?
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[16:57:04] mishok13: ну как бы получается, что деление целых чисел дарт принимает за деление чисел с плавающей точкой
[16:57:08] mishok13: что есть тупо
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[16:58:41] mishok13: я двумя руками за то, чтобы в каждом языке IEEE 754 был правильно реализован
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[16:59:03] mishok13: но с целыми числами этот стандарт теряет всяческий смысл
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[17:21:48] xa4a: а ещё в результате деления чисел выходит непонятно что
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[17:21:56] xa4a: где строгая типизация, йомана?
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[17:28:24] xa4a: ну и продолжая тему: main() {
print((1/0)*0);
} => NaN
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[17:52:00] mishok13: а что там по твоему должно было быть, xa4a?
[17:52:15] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN#Creation
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[17:54:41] xa4a: математически, Infinity нельзя умножать так же, как и делить что-либо на 0
[17:54:45] xa4a: ну стандарт так стандарт, ок.
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[17:55:13] mishok13: математически нельзя умножать?
[17:55:16] mishok13: WUT
[17:55:25] mishok13: это ты про какую математику?
[17:55:42] mishok13: может еще квадратный корень из отрицательных чисел нельзя вычислять?
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[18:00:36] xa4a: ну умножать же числа только можно
[18:00:45] xa4a: Infinity - не число
[18:01:22] mishok13: бгг
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[18:03:01] xa4a: mishok13: конкретнее
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[18:05:06] mishok13: то есть, бесконечное число — для тебя новый термин?
[18:05:43] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfinite
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[18:06:04] xa4a: бесконечное число? да. знаю значек есть такой, на восьмерку похожий, им могут обозначать например lim {x->0} (1/x). но числа такого не слышал
[18:06:46] xa4a: ординальные/кардинальные числа - ок
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[18:06:54] xa4a: но они же не Infinity
[18:07:12] mishok13: почему же, они же тоже бесконечные
[18:08:33] xa4a: например потому, что их можно сравнить
[18:08:40] mishok13: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreal_number
[18:08:51] mishok13: то есть, число есть числом, потому что их можно сравнить?
[18:09:05] mishok13: +inf > -inf тада!
[18:09:17] mishok13: +inf != +inf тада!
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[18:12:12] xa4a: сравни мне Infinity c אo
[18:12:56] mishok13: сравни sqrt(-1) с 2.4
[18:14:17] mishok13: сравнил?
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[18:14:30] xa4a: но в R^2 (наименьшее пространство, в котором можно определить sqrt(-1) ) не определено порядка => сравнить нельзя
[18:14:36] xa4a: а в числах порядок определён
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[18:14:57] xa4a: так что сравни ты)
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[18:15:42] mishok13: а почему ты причисляешь inf к пространству R?
[18:15:53] xa4a: а я и говорю, что inf - не из R
[18:15:58] mishok13: мне все таки ты прекрасно понимаешь, что IEEE 754 писали не идиоты
[18:15:59] xa4a: т.к. это не чилсо
[18:16:01] mishok13: а вполне математики
[18:16:06] mishok13: а теперь пытаешься юлить
[18:16:16] xa4a: я изначально говорил, что inf - не число
[18:16:31] xa4a: не идиоты - ок. инженеры
[18:17:08] xa4a: инженерам удобно - они заделали себе +-Inf типа float
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[18:17:34] xa4a: но я с самого начала написал, что "математически, Infinity нельзя умножать"
[18:17:43] xa4a: не "по стандарту, Infinity нельзя умножать"
[18:17:53] xa4a: по стандарту можно
[18:18:33] mishok13: а это блядь что тогда — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_real_number_line
[18:18:53] xa4a: ключевое слово Extended
[18:19:02] xa4a: In mathematics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics>, the affinely extended real number system is obtained from the real number <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_number> system R by adding two elements: +∞ and −∞
[18:19:03] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_real_number_line#Arithmetic_operations наверное там не умножение, да
[18:19:13] xa4a: обрати внимание, не two numbers
[18:19:18] xa4a: а two elements
[18:19:24] mishok13: ну все понятно, пошел сливать
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[18:19:42] mishok13: умножать нельзя, потому что не число, а умножать можно потому что "элемент" ооок
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[18:25:26] xa4a: и да, там же: These new elements are not real numbers. Спор вышел о терминах: я под числами понимаю real numbers, ты - extended real numbers
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[19:09:37] nmk: """Здравствуйте.
Меня зовут Дима, мне 20 лет. Сегодня хочу рассказать вам историю о том, как я вырос до тимлида из сисадмина. """
[19:11:09] Мозгошредер: хабра детектед
[19:11:16] nmk: да-да-да
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[19:13:52] deepwalker: nmk, ссылко
[19:14:57] nmk: deepwalker: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/sysadm/130083/
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[19:19:06] Magister Yoda: о господи, какая чушная статья...
[19:19:15] Magister Yoda: смех, да и только
[19:19:35] levsha: /me фактически сисадмин, и ни до каких шмаркавых тимлидов расти не будет
[19:20:22] Magister Yoda: levsha: <sarcasm>если ты не тимлид, то ты никто</sarcasm>
[19:21:15] levsha: Magister Yoda: я никто! Я такой никто, каких свет не видел!
[19:21:40] Magister Yoda: levsha: =)
[19:23:46] deepwalker: я думал это приколка
[19:23:50] deepwalker: а она реально есть
[19:24:35] deepwalker: мне кажется за шифером скрывается кто-то постарше, просто корится
[19:24:36] nmk: deepwalker: у тебя же там акк есть. ты можешь включить трололо
[19:24:45] deepwalker: у меня кармы не хватает :)
[19:24:52] deepwalker: я тут недавно включал трололо :)
[19:24:57] nmk: по sms её еще купить нельзя? :)
[19:25:05] deepwalker: а это идея кстати
[19:25:27] Magister Yoda: deepwalker: давай я тебе накину еденичку) скажи акк
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[19:25:52] nmk: ну да. на цепях марково написать генератор статей. нарегать акков, нафигачить статей. потом плюсовать/минусовать на смс. :)
[19:26:04] nmk: *за смс
[19:26:48] deepwalker: Magister Yoda, http://habrahabr.ru/users/deepwalker/
[19:27:20] Magister Yoda: deepwalker: done
[19:28:21] cutwater: тогда и я накину
[19:28:23] nmk: бля. я безграмотная скотина. на цепях марковА
[19:29:00] Magister Yoda: nmk: это не безграмотность, а опечатка. не карай себя =)
[19:29:16] cutwater: deepwalker: /me тоже плюсанул
[19:29:18] deepwalker: э, ну может скажете тогда куда накидывать?
[19:29:44] deepwalker: cutwater, тебя нашел :)
[19:29:45] nmk: Magister Yoda: да я скорее всего о чем-то другом думал. буква "о" довольно далеко от "а"
[19:29:53] Magister Yoda: deepwalker: Ну так уж и быть http://habrahabr.ru/users/magister_yoda/
[19:29:57] nmk: Magister Yoda: точнее даже разными руками нажимать надо
[19:30:17] cutwater: а /me и нескрывался
[19:30:49] Magister Yoda: nmk: ну тогда покарай себя :-D
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[19:31:35] deepwalker: так, усе, ответил всем добром :D
[19:31:55] Magister Yoda: nmk: http://prostopleer.com/tracks/5053064AFiC вот тебе музон даже :-D
[19:32:29] cutwater: /me тоже накинул всем кому надо =)
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[19:38:51] deepwalker: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/sysadm/130083/#comment_4310514 первый вброс, без значит агрессии :)
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[19:50:26] levsha: гы гы, "Автор переместил топик в черновики."
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[19:54:27] Magister Yoda: levsha: за такое дело надо карму сливать :-D
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[19:59:44] levsha: он испугался
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[20:10:04] levsha: тимлид очень крут: он смог сам с первого разу сменнить w2k на xp!
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[20:16:29] levsha: ыыыы, "Но пришел к нам отдел «К» и закрыл игровой портал. Зарелизится я не успел"
[20:16:39] levsha: надо еще на завтра оставить почитать :)
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[20:18:32] nmk: а какой эксепшн правильней бросить в ситуации, когда вызвается метод с неким аргументом-ключем, метод смотрит в дикте есть ли этот ключ в дикте и либо возвращает элемент, либо бросет эксепшн.
[20:18:40] nmk: ?
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[20:19:20] Magister Yoda: nmk: Exception? =)
[20:19:33] Magister Yoda: универсальный =)
[20:19:36] nmk: далее
[20:19:39] nmk: Ж)
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[20:19:53] Magister Yoda: except Exception:
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[20:20:15] Magister Yoda: либо я тебя не правильно понял
[20:20:32] nmk: в смысле еще варианты :)
[20:20:38] Magister Yoda: ааа
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[20:21:27] nmk: ValueError наверное брошу
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[20:50:37] Magister Yoda: xa4a: как оказалось - не работает. видимо придёться из исходников python 2.7.2 собирать и ставить. из-за этой ошибки http://goo.gl/BKabD
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[20:53:11] xa4a: Magister Yoda: я не знаю, что у тебя не работает, но собирать из исходников обычно не правильный выход
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[20:54:01] Magister Yoda: у меня debian 5.0.9(lenny)
[20:54:17] Magister Yoda: если не веришь - можешь сам посмотреть d bytnt
[20:54:19] Magister Yoda: в инете
[20:56:03] xa4a: я не представляю о чем ты
[20:56:13] Magister Yoda: http://gopodebian.com/ - "Для тех, кто пропил мозги и работает с Debian Linux" *ROFL*
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[21:38:15] cutwater: вечер да
[21:38:32] NTAngel: в смысле?
[21:38:58] cutwater: <наблюдение>вечер да</наблюдение>
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[21:54:57] NTAngel: http://www.taskcoach.org/ как я его уважаю!!! ;)
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[22:07:35] d1ffuz0r: NTAngel: юзабельно? давно ищу таск менеджер не могу выбрать %)
[22:09:17] NTAngel: d1ffuz0r: я ваще от него тащусь, только чел сказал что на фрихе она туеву хучу паккажей потащила. Не пойму почему? там вроде как все на питоне. По крайней мере в виндовой версии *pyd , и сам питон. Ну и папка настроек. Меня охреннено нравится. Только еще синхронизацию настроить с гуглом
[22:09:43] d1ffuz0r: надо попробовать
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[22:10:32] NTAngel: Рекомендую. Проект не мертв постоянно что-то фиксают ) Мне лично такие фичи нужны были:
* заводить категории "баги", "задачи", "тестирование", "хочучки" .
* Ну заводить задачи, подзадачи
* и соотнесение их в категорию.
* отметить как сделанную.
* повысить\понизить приоритет
* сортировать по приортитету\сроку
* убрать сделанные
* Выбранные за экспортировать в CSV, TXT чтобы можно потом было распечатать

все есть, мне больше ничего не надо )
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[22:39:17] d1ffuz0r: блин круто) буду юзать теперь
[22:39:35] NTAngel: d1ffuz0r: уже поставил?
[22:39:40] d1ffuz0r: да
[22:40:02] NTAngel: теперь распиздяйство будет упорядочено )
[22:40:30] d1ffuz0r: ага
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[22:42:28] NTAngel: кстати че за опер. система?
[22:42:58] d1ffuz0r: шиндовс ><
[22:43:11] NTAngel: )))
[22:43:33] d1ffuz0r: да времени нет с линуксом, пока учился юзал год
[22:43:40] NTAngel: если есть йаблочные девайсы, попробуй за синхронизировать )
[22:43:46] d1ffuz0r: не, нету
[22:43:55] d1ffuz0r: хакинтош не встал на ноут
[22:44:06] NTAngel: d1ffuz0r: в чем конкретно?
[22:44:13] d1ffuz0r: видео и вайфай
[22:44:34] NTAngel: а че за игрушка?
[22:45:05] d1ffuz0r: samsung r420
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[23:14:11] NTAngel: Господа знаете ли вы что нить подобное этому: http://izh-test.sourceforge.net/russian/index.html . Основная цель: тестирование консольных приложений по заданным тест-планам. Желательно небольшой набор питон-скриптов!
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[23:53:39] xa4a: тупая торнада
[23:53:56] xa4a: вчера весь день код колбасил, а потом всю ночь колбеки спать не давали :D
[23:53:57] NTAngel: xa4a: в смысле торнада?
[23:54:06] xa4a: tornado веб-фреймворк
[23:54:12] NTAngel: аа )
[23:55:01] NTAngel: я вот думаю , а стоит ли писать прогу, которая принудительно после часу ночи отключает комп и до 8 утра не позволяет включить на уровне драйвера?
[23:55:19] xa4a: нет, лучше что-то полезное
[23:55:39] xa4a: а комп выключать - полезне самому научиться
[23:55:56] NTAngel: затягивает сцуко
[23:56:15] NTAngel: типа "ща вот это зафикшу и пойду спать". хуй! еще че нить улушчить захочется (((
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[23:57:05] Typhon: NTAngel, познакомься с девушкой или купил ps3
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[23:57:21] NTAngel: Typhon: зачем знакомиться если жена рядом?
[23:58:45] NTAngel: вся трабла в том что квартиры дорогие, вот и просыпается желание писать чтобы продать
[23:59:26] NTAngel: не вольно вспоминается анекдот:
Молодые редко ебутся потому что не где, а пожилы есть где, да уже не получается.