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[02:47:27] free_kode: тихий час ровно в 0000
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[08:47:48] neoascetic: что посоветуете для мультиязычных моделей в django?
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[10:21:52] NTAngel: free_kode: У кого-то был наверно 0:0, а у кого-то и 2:47(момент когда ты написал)
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[10:42:22] nott: neoascetic, по поводу тестов и базы (если еще актуально) - можно использовать 'TEST_NAME': имя_этой_же_базы
[10:42:47] nott: в настроках базы да.
[10:43:08] neoascetic: nott, тестовая база по умолчанию уничтожается при начале тестов - не вариант.
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[10:43:44] nott: ты попробуй
[10:44:10] nott: с базой нічего не будет с моим подходом
[10:44:53] neoascetic: а у меня требует уничтожения
[10:45:30] neoascetic: nott, мы поступили иначе, хотя и не шибко красиво...
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[10:46:26] neoascetic: nott, переопределили методы setup_databases и teardown_databases в унаследованном djangotestsuiterunner и в настройках указали использовать его
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[10:47:07] neoascetic: setup_databases - менял name текущей БД на тестовый, teardown - pass
[10:47:28] neoascetic: pass - в смысле нихрина не делал
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[10:48:42] neoascetic: вернее, даже не переопределили, а заманкипатчили
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[11:09:01] NTAngel: modify = os.path.getmtime( filename )
modify = time.mktime( time.localtime(now) )
now = time.mktime( time.localtime( time.time() ) )
dt = datetime.timedelta( now - modify )
minCount = dt.seconds / 60
Я все верно делаю, чтобы узнать разницу в минутах ?
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[11:19:21] mishok13: ты делаешь наркоманию
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[11:20:31] mishok13: создай два datetime обьекта и отними один от другого
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[11:22:02] NTAngel: т.е после:
modify = os.path.getmtime( filename )
modify = time.mktime( time.localtime(now) )
сделать datatime на основе modify ?
[11:22:11] NTAngel: или как-то по-другому можно?
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[11:22:24] mishok13: datetime.fromtimestamp(os.path.getmtime(filename)) - datetime.now()
[11:22:39] mishok13: получаешь timedelta обьект
[11:23:25] mishok13: дальше просто берешь аттрибут seconds у этого обьекта
[11:23:33] mishok13: вот здесь вот все написано — http://docs.python.org/library/datetime
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[12:16:26] NTAngel: mishok13: Спасибо!!! )
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[12:20:30] NTAngel: посмотрел в dir(datetime) и этих now() fromatimestamp() нету!
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[16:35:23] enchantner: чего обсуждаем? или все опять работают?
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[16:47:02] cutwater: enchantner: и вам бы поработать не мешало бы
[16:47:19] enchantner: я и работаю
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[16:47:55] xa4a: чего обсуждаем? или всё опять работает?
[16:48:15] d1ffuz0r: всё работает
[16:48:39] cutwater: баги есть всегда.
[16:48:48] cutwater: xa4a: как там у вас погода в Дублине?
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[16:49:01] xa4a: вчера вечером похолодало. стало 10
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[16:49:06] xa4a: до этого было 15
[16:49:07] cutwater: ох похолодало
[16:49:11] cutwater: у нас вчера было -1
[16:49:17] cutwater: и снег шел
[16:49:35] enchantner: xa4a: в гугеле работаешь?
[16:49:39] cutwater: xa4a: я еще годик поработаю у нас для опыту в резюме и к вам хочу.
[16:49:40] cutwater: возьмете?
[16:49:41] d1ffuz0r: вчера холоднее было, сегодня тепло
[16:49:45] cutwater: :-)
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[16:50:27] xa4a: cutwater: ну можешь CV уже засылать. тут процесс минимум несколько месяцев, а если зафкейлишь - как раз через год можно снова пробовать
[16:50:33] xa4a: enchantner: пока да
[16:50:55] cutwater: при всем желании щас я уж точно зафейлю. но буду иметь ввиду
[16:50:59] enchantner: xa4a: почему пока? :)
[16:51:07] xa4a: пока не выперли :D
[16:51:16] enchantner: а что за проект?
[16:52:05] enchantner: меня хотели на Valgrind взять, но я по знанию сей тогда не потянул :) все-таки питон наше всё
[16:53:35] xa4a: не совсем проект - SRE
[16:53:41] xa4a: site reliability
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[16:54:10] enchantner: любопытно
[16:54:53] enchantner: документы на въезд и проживание сам мутил или они помогли?
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[16:56:51] xa4a: они
[16:57:33] enchantner: зарплата как? :)
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[16:58:27] xa4a: нормально)
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[16:59:33] xa4a: сложно сравнивать. больше, чем в киеве. хватает на то, чтобы снимать квартирку в центре почти - возле офиса. на жизнь остаётся достаточно
[16:59:51] xa4a: в общем, больше, чем я пока трачу :)
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[17:00:48] enchantner: на бугатти верон уже накопил? :)
[17:01:01] cutwater: xa4a: а как с загрузкой на работе?
[17:02:55] xa4a: cutwater: хм. в начале напряжно - выучить всё, что тут навелосипедили. а вообще - никто не напрягает. для начала - дают ментора, который отвечает на все вопросы и даёт начальный проект. потом, говорят, сам ходишь - смотришь, что можно улучшить) только раз в квартал оценивают производительность
[17:03:22] cutwater: понятно. примерно как у нас. только раз в пол года.
[17:03:27] xa4a: но т.к. спешить особо не куда, а ещё тут завтра и ужин, то получается много часов в офисе)
[17:03:36] cutwater: круто
[17:03:43] cutwater: xa4a: ну может через годик-два
[17:03:45] enchantner: вот чего мне не хватает у нас - это ментора
[17:03:47] cutwater: записал себе в планы.
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[17:03:57] enchantner: дали систему, сказали - пиши :)
[17:04:05] enchantner: всё
[17:04:14] cutwater: xa4a: гугл то никуда не денется. но объективно я пока еще слаб духом.
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[17:04:39] enchantner: по питону и алгоритмам гоняли на собеседовании?
[17:04:49] enchantner: на полноценного инженера?
[17:05:00] xa4a: по питону - нет, по алгоритмам - да
[17:05:12] xa4a: ещё, т.к SRE - по сетям и внутренностям юникса
[17:05:13] enchantner: а алгоритмы на чем реализовывал?
[17:05:18] cutwater: круто
[17:05:20] xa4a: можно на псевдокоде
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[17:05:29] xa4a: опыт показывает, что проще на с/java
[17:05:34] cutwater: ну а хотя бы какого плана алгоритмы?
[17:05:41] cutwater: распространенные или экзотика какая?
[17:05:43] enchantner: сортировки, деревья?
[17:05:49] xa4a: в интернете десятки примеров алгоритмов с собеседования)
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[17:05:56] xa4a: сортировки, деревья, bit fiddling
[17:06:04] enchantner: там очень сильно депендится от позиции :)
[17:06:09] xa4a: бинарный поиск
[17:06:18] cutwater: хм...
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[17:07:19] enchantner: а красно-черные, линейная сортировка?
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[17:09:07] xa4a: не исключено
[17:09:24] enchantner: я просто себя сейчас позиционирую, как network developer, вот интересно, чего ожидать при случае :)
[17:09:41] enchantner: по сетям чего? внутреннюю структуру протоколов?
[17:09:49] enchantner: или настройку конкретных продуктов?
[17:09:53] xa4a: немного
[17:10:05] xa4a: как минимум понимание, какой протокол зачем нужен и что делает
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[17:10:10] cutwater: :-D
[17:10:24] enchantner: ну, их дохрена :) все не упомнишь
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[17:10:42] enchantner: ICMP, DNS, HTTP?
[17:10:47] enchantner: как основные
[17:10:58] xa4a: ну обычно вопрос звучит как: у тебя есть шел с [примонтированным по nfs] каталогом, ты в него пишешь ls
[17:11:00] enchantner: OSPF, BGP
[17:11:13] xa4a: расскажи в макс. подробностях, что при этом происходит
[17:11:19] xa4a: enchantner: да
[17:11:41] enchantner: хм, интересно
[17:11:44] xa4a: или ты в броузер вбиваешь google.com. что при этом происходит?
[17:11:46] cutwater: даже очень.
[17:12:02] cutwater: xa4a: ну это относительно простой вопрос по сравнению с предыдущим =)
[17:12:02] enchantner: я ковырял только SMB, в NFS должно быть что-то похожее
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[17:12:08] cutwater: надо будет поковырять NFS
[17:12:17] cutwater: enchantner: я вобщем-то тоже с SMB только немного сталкивался.
[17:12:40] xa4a: cutwater: что один, что другой можно направить в обсуждение BGP, OSPF, arp, tcp congestion, etc
[17:12:52] cutwater: ага =)
[17:13:23] enchantner: ну, бывают вопросы и наподобие "способы борьбы с переполнением в TCP"
[17:13:38] xa4a: мне повезло, что я об этом на 3-м курсе курсач писал)
[17:13:54] xa4a: о борьбе с переполнением
[17:13:56] enchantner: там даже фиг знает, что от тебя услышать хотят - то ли про размер окна, то ли про персистентность...
[17:14:01] enchantner: везёт :)
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[17:14:14] xa4a: хотят увидет ход мысли
[17:14:27] xa4a: не обязательно знать всё. важно адекватно реагировать на наводки
[17:14:35] enchantner: чтобы увидеть ход мысли - надо МРТ
[17:15:06] enchantner: а ты резюме через сайт подавал или через знакомых изнутри?
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[17:15:16] xa4a: мне написали через linkedin рекрутеры
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[17:15:42] xa4a: хотя где-то половина из всего народу, что приходит - через внутренних рефереров
[17:16:58] enchantner: меня через линкедин мэйловцы как раз и нашли :)
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[17:18:19] xa4a: и да, могу реферить желающих. если вы последнее время не задавали тут глупых вопросов =)
[17:18:22] enchantner: GDD у вас там свой был, наверное?
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[17:19:20] enchantner: а что, отслеживается?))
[17:19:23] xa4a: судя по http://www.google.com/events/developerday/2011/ - не было
[17:19:27] cutwater: xa4a: я задавал?
[17:19:32] xa4a: enchantner: логи есть)
[17:19:41] cutwater: ну просто любопытно
[17:19:54] cutwater: кроме я хочу своих велосипдедов кучу
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[17:19:58] enchantner: grep - самая великая программа...
[17:20:10] xa4a: cutwater: глупые - те, на которые ответ: прочитай же наконец-то ман
[17:20:20] cutwater: /me таких не упомнит.
[17:20:29] cutwater: /me вообще не любит вопросы задавать
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[17:20:40] xa4a: тогда можешь слать)
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[17:21:05] cutwater: xa4a: куда?
[17:21:33] enchantner: это канал об аниме? как пропатчить KDE2 под FreeBSD?
[17:21:53] enchantner: cutwater: прочитай же ман, наконец
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[17:22:04] cutwater: в том смысле лично тебе или на email ваш рекрутинговый
[17:22:28] xa4a: мне
[17:23:28] enchantner: а русских у вас там много вообще? :)
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[17:24:31] xa4a: много
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[17:57:55] cutwater: /me вот интересно насколько по сравненю с плюсцами будет проигрывать тот же плеер или просмотрщих картинок писаный на питоне. Просто как-то не известны мне крупные гуи поделки на питоне.
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[17:58:16] Typhon: куча аудиоплееров под линупс
[17:58:17] cutwater: И с PyQt еще работать не доводилось, но вот думаю вообще стоит ли менять С++
[17:58:17] enchantner: да ну? А Banshee? А Deluge?
[17:58:19] Typhon: вся убунта
[17:58:22] Typhon: %)
[17:58:30] cutwater: Deluge какой-то монстр извините
[17:58:33] Typhon: трансмишн
[17:58:35] enchantner: он офигенный
[17:58:46] cutwater: банши трансмишн на питоне?
[17:58:50] enchantner: да
[17:58:51] Typhon: битторрент майнлайн
[17:58:56] cutwater: хм
[17:58:59] Typhon: гажим
[17:59:04] Typhon: до жопы гуи софта на питоне
[17:59:08] Typhon: вся убунта практически
[17:59:24] cutwater: хм
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[17:59:35] enchantner: в гимпе примерно треть питона
[17:59:48] cutwater: стоит призадуматься.
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[18:00:26] enchantner: мужики, а чего GTK3? Рвет QT или нет пока?
[18:00:35] cutwater: QuickTime ?
[18:00:42] enchantner: Qt4
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[18:01:06] cutwater: /me не любит Gtk
[18:01:12] cutwater: он не кроссплатформенный ни разу нормально
[18:01:26] cutwater: Qt нормально поддерживает винду более менее и маки не так печально
[18:01:31] enchantner: зато под винду у него рантайм нормальный, а не полтора гига, как у куте
[18:01:45] cutwater: enchantner: полтора гига?
[18:01:47] cutwater: ты что курил
[18:01:52] enchantner: ну а сколько?
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[18:01:57] enchantner: ну гиг
[18:02:18] cutwater: не знаю как питон но QtCore 4 метра и QtGui 8 по-моему
[18:02:21] cutwater: где-то так
[18:02:29] cutwater: ну WebKit дохрена весит
[18:02:33] cutwater: 27 или около того
[18:02:35] cutwater: если он тебе нужен
[18:02:42] enchantner: ну фиг знает
[18:03:00] cutwater: enchantner: то что у тебя SDK ставится на гиг ну это уже другой разговор
[18:03:31] enchantner: я сравнивал по размеру питоновые программы, собранные под qt и под gtk под винду
[18:03:47] enchantner: с gtk меньше выходит явно
[18:04:22] cutwater: Qt больше весит Gtk это понятно. но не сильно больше
[18:04:31] cutwater: тем более ты сравни что тебе предоставляет Qt
[18:04:36] enchantner is now online
[18:04:43] enchantner: Qt тяжелый
[18:04:56] enchantner: там всё по паттернам, идеология "всё-виджет"
[18:05:04] cutwater: enchantner: на дворе 2011 год. винты нынче дешевые.
[18:05:10] enchantner: но из-за такой расширяемости все получается очень тяжелым
[18:05:17] enchantner: а я не про размер программ
[18:05:24] cutwater: enchantner: может быть будем тогда на С писать?
[18:05:33] enchantner: я ещё и про оперативку и про всё такое прочее
[18:05:46] cutwater: есть немного, но блин... это тебе дает быструю разработку + удобную расширяемость
[18:05:52] enchantner: не, ну под виндой надо писать на C# и WinForms :)
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[18:06:04] enchantner: это в сто раз удобнее и красивее, хоть и только под винду
[18:06:11] cutwater: enchantner: если только под винду то да
[18:06:15] cutwater: но если нет то извините
[18:06:18] cutwater: Gtk будет печаль
[18:06:27] enchantner: если нет - то надо по аудитории выбирать
[18:06:43] enchantner: сейчас на gtk писать софт выгоднее хотя бы потому, что вся убунта на нем
[18:06:49] cutwater: мне чисто нативный Gtk не нравится. может PyGtk и удобней
[18:06:51] enchantner: а убунта - самый популярный дистр
[18:06:53] cutwater: enchantner: не убунтой единой ну
[18:07:01] enchantner: не единой, согласен
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[18:07:15] enchantner: но Gnome таки порвал KDE, не? :)
[18:07:20] cutwater: не
[18:07:30] enchantner: я не про третий, еси чо)
[18:07:33] enchantner: я про второй
[18:07:34] cutwater: по части софта Gnoe таки сосет
[18:07:38] cutwater: по части юзабилите согласен
[18:07:46] cutwater: но никто не мешает пользовать Gnome + qt based
[18:07:50] cutwater: и вообще должно быть пофиг
[18:07:53] enchantner: по части софта - KDE навязывает кучу своего дефолтного
[18:07:59] cutwater: /me пользует yakuake и qt
[18:08:03] cutwater: *psi-plus
[18:08:20] cutwater: enchantner: если оно годное то пусть на вязывает
[18:08:25] enchantner: а при gnome+qt-based люди с медленным интернетом плачут кровавыми слезами
[18:08:36] enchantner: выкачивая километры библиотек
[18:08:43] cutwater: enchantner: их трудности
[18:08:57] enchantner: если они - твоя аудитория, то и твои тоже :)
[18:09:25] cutwater: по сравнению с yakuake и gwenview
gtk-based таки сливает
[18:09:36] enchantner: я не знаю софта в kde, который был бы круче гномовского
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[18:09:46] cutwater: я тебе перечислил
[18:09:51] enchantner: разве что Amarok, но на гноме в противовес куча прикольного
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[18:10:05] cutwater: /me пользует DeadBeef
[18:10:17] enchantner: поздравляю
[18:10:22] enchantner: он вроде как раз на gtk
[18:10:24] cutwater: знаю да
[18:10:27] cutwater: но мне пофиг на чем он
[18:10:30] enchantner: =)
[18:10:38] cutwater: а вот по удобству с Gwenview ничего не равнится.
[18:10:44] enchantner: я тоже его юзаю просто, отличная замена фубару
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[18:11:07] cutwater: увы Shotwell это тихий ужас
[18:11:11] enchantner: gwenview альтернатива Geeque
[18:11:22] enchantner: или как он там пишется
[18:11:31] cutwater: Geeqшe
[18:11:33] cutwater: Geeqie
[18:11:38] enchantner: ага
[18:12:21] cutwater: вот штоле свою запилить
[18:12:29] cutwater: на питоне + Qt для себя любимого
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[18:12:55] enchantner: если тебе фильтры и модификация фоток в нем не нужны - вперед
[18:13:15] enchantner: мне только не нравится, что у питона нет нормальных биндингов к ImageMagick
[18:13:35] cutwater: модификацию написать не сложно. фильтры сложней да.
[18:13:46] cutwater: всякие банальные кропы и т.п. тривиально
[18:14:11] enchantner: тривиально, пока у тебя не raw-фотки с 15-мегапиксельных фотиков
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[18:14:49] cutwater: посмотрим. еще не изучал в достаточной мере этот вопрос
[18:14:57] cutwater: но у меня есть raw-фотки вот и попробуем-с
[18:15:07] enchantner: :)
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[18:15:39] enchantner: /me помнит, как конвертировал корелом swf в png. Файл 28000x15000
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[18:16:28] enchantner: под виндой есть простой и хороший просмотрщик - IrfanView
[18:16:38] cutwater: мне больше щас нравится FastStone
[18:16:39] enchantner: я бы при разработке своего на что-то такое ориентировался
[18:16:52] enchantner: ну, а кому-то нравится старичок ACDSee
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[18:16:55] enchantner: :)
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[18:16:57] Typhon: faststone — ок
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[18:17:20] cutwater: /me щас думает на тему python или С++
[18:17:49] enchantner: учи оба и не насилуй серое вещество
[18:18:02] cutwater: enchantner: я умею оба ну
[18:18:04] enchantner: gimp - офигенная софтина
[18:18:08] cutwater: мне учить не надо =)
[18:18:24] enchantner: /me любит троллить людей, которые говорят, что знают C++
[18:18:36] cutwater: /me его не знает и такого не говорил
[18:18:44] enchantner: =)
[18:18:47] enchantner: слился быстро
[18:18:54] cutwater: /me говорил что в достаточной мере владеет предметом, чтобы выражение "учи С++" было к нему не применимо
[18:19:01] cutwater: enchantner: не хочу вдаваться в очередную скучную полемику
[18:19:10] enchantner: проехали)
[18:19:35] cutwater: :-)
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[18:20:02] enchantner: я вот думаю скалу поучить
[18:20:06] slav0nic: господа, аля books.ru у нас в Хохляндии нчиего не появилось?
[18:20:08] enchantner: говорят, толковая вещь
[18:21:02] gigimon: товарищи, а как профайлить питоновский софт, чтобы узнать где память схедается?
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[18:21:16] enchantner: gigimon: cProfile
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[18:22:04] slav0nic: gigimon, http://www.vrplumber.com/programming/runsnakerun/
[18:22:07] gigimon: спс
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[18:23:29] gigimon: а для профайлинга софта консольного, который работает вообще без гуя?
[18:23:32] gigimon: удаленно или веб
[18:23:52] enchantner: а причем тут гуй вообще?
[18:24:04] enchantner: запускаешь в консоли код через профайлер и смотришь выдачу
[18:24:07] slav0nic: да пох
[18:24:32] xa4a: только cprofile не покажет памяти, емнип
[18:24:36] gigimon: хм
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[18:24:56] gigimon: ну вот runsnakerun гуевый и я не совсем понимаю как удаленно куда-то подконектиться
[18:25:17] enchantner: он для разбора дампов в теплой ламповой атмосфере, afaik
[18:25:23] enchantner: коннектиться им никуда не надо
[18:25:24] gigimon: аааааа
[18:25:45] xa4a: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/110259/python-memory-profiler
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[18:26:19] gigimon: спс
[18:26:40] gigimon: xa4a: вот это и читаю, постаивл dowser
[18:26:46] gigimon: но чет не вижу, где про память
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[18:31:02] enchantner: [bayan]Помню в детстве волшебница мне предложила хорошую память или большой член на всю жизнь.... Но что выбрал, я уже не помню[/bayan]
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[18:31:15] gigimon: а как во времени использовать профайлер? т.е. сделать дамп при запуске, через час? не писать же код в программе?
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[18:32:18] enchantner: как ты себе это представляешь? питоновский профайлер выводит тебе время работы той или иной функции, это непрерывная, а не дискретная характеристика
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[18:32:45] gigimon: я просто слабо вообще процесс представляю...
[18:32:55] xa4a: gigimon: сделай обработчик SIGUSR
[18:33:07] xa4a: который будет делать снимок кучи
[18:33:15] xa4a: или за чем ты там хочешь следить
[18:33:20] xa4a: и дёргай его кроном
[18:33:30] xa4a: или демонический тред, чо
[18:33:40] gigimon: да просто есть проект, большой демон
[18:33:49] gigimon: задание: узнать, что в нем ест память =\
[18:33:50] enchantner: кибердемон?
[18:33:57] xa4a: метадемон
[18:34:07] gigimon: юникс демон >_<
[18:34:07] enchantner: хорошо не какодемон
[18:34:15] xa4a: gigimon: вон, похоже guppy показывает память в байтах, а не только в объектах
[18:34:30] gigimon: ща поищу
[18:34:36] xa4a: ну в ссылке последней
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[18:35:34] enchantner: !wtf guppy
[18:35:45] gigimon: xa4a: угу...
[18:35:47] gigimon: спс
[18:35:56] gigimon: завтра начну сидеть узнавать и пробовать
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[18:38:16] enchantner: аа, он раздвоился
[18:38:17] xa4a: да, кстати, qt > gtk
[18:38:29] cutwater@android: +1
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[18:38:59] enchantner: никто не спорит :) но по простоте и легкости gtk >> qt
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[18:39:28] enchantner: хотя для чего-то совсем простого можно взять и wx, он в последнее время вроде подниматься начал
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[18:40:35] cutwater@android: я не соглашусь. qt более логичен как мне кажется. ex никогда серьезно не рассматривал.
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[18:41:25] enchantner: кто-то и на TKinter пишет...
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[18:42:57] cutwater@android: даже IDE пишут на тк, но это же чудовищно
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[18:43:42] enchantner: я помню вещь еще чудовищней
[18:43:58] enchantner: борландовская поделка на основе делфей, которая Kylix
[18:44:28] enchantner: даже лазарус не был никогда таким редиской
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[18:44:56] cutwater@android: о да
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[20:32:30] xa4a: никто не спорит но по простоте и легкости gtk >> qt => это объёсняет популярность php-gtk
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[20:47:28] xa4a: не надо. у меня только на выходных глаз кровоточил
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[21:54:24] JFF: как в джанге авто html эскейп выключить ?
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