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[00:15:51] cutwater: огыешсук ну я бы все таки не осмеливался бы называть __del__ деструктором
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[00:37:34] cutwater: угу
[00:38:23] cutwater: + ручное определение __del__ если память как-то влияет на GC
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[01:18:58] Miatar: ухты кутватер даже тут
[01:19:39] Miatar: есть кто нить - кто код просмотреть на стилистику сможет - на питоне пишу очень мало, но счас встала задача- соответственно хочу как правильно понять
[01:20:16] Miatar: pep8 читал - непомогло
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[01:20:37] xa4a: Miatar: есть скрипт, который сам рер8 проверяет
[01:20:41] xa4a: но давай: paste.in.ua
[01:23:40] Miatar: http://paste.in.ua/3290/
[01:24:01] Miatar: не факт что функция еще работает - надо прогнать будет пару раз - т.к. пару раз делал рефакторинг
[01:24:47] xa4a: коменты на русском
[01:24:59] xa4a: кемелкейз в названии функции
[01:25:03] xa4a: и аргументов
[01:25:15] xa4a: необязательные скобки после while
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[01:25:29] xa4a: нет пробела после запятой
[01:26:00] xa4a: вроде не в рер8, но по-моему логично, если комментарий текстовый, а не кусок кода закоменчен, то после # тоже пробел ставить
[01:26:12] xa4a: после if нет пробела и ненужные скобки
[01:27:39] xa4a: (len(packetsArray) > MINIMAL_PACKET_LENGTH) and (currentBufIndex < len(packetsArray)) => len(packetsArray < max(MINIMAL_PACKET_LENGTH, currentBufIndex)
[01:28:51] xa4a: if(currentPacketLength <= len(packetsArray)): думаю, это не правильно, т.к. в packetsArray, кроме собственно пакета ещё его длинна лежит?
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[01:29:31] Miatar: нее там буфер обычный - в виде str
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[01:29:53] Miatar: т.к. unpack кроме str с ничем не работает - а бинарные данные преобразовывать как то надо
[01:30:12] xa4a: а длинна - часть пакета?
[01:30:23] xa4a: тоесть длинна длинны включена в длинну пакета?
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[01:30:31] Miatar: длинна идет в начале пакета - затем ид затем данные
[01:30:43] Miatar: таких пакетов может сразу ворох приходить - получаю сокетом
[01:31:24] xa4a: тогда у тебя например буфер [4, 5,6,7] где 4 - длинна. тогда if(currentPacketLength <= len(packetsArray)) => True, но данных 4 байта, идущих после длинны в буфере нет
[01:32:08] xa4a: то есть, когда ты длину вычитал - надо откусывать её от буфера
[01:32:27] xa4a: (может быть, смотря что у тебя там за длина, ид, данные)
[01:32:43] Miatar: счас поправлю уже из выданных советов
[01:33:06] xa4a: и попробуй всё-таки, сделать чтобы работало
[01:33:28] xa4a: т.к. handlersDict[packet_id](packet_to_handle) тут две не определённых переменных
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[01:35:13] Miatar: насчет камел каис - а в каком оформлять
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[01:35:48] xa4a: pep8_говорит_что_разделять_андерскорами
[01:36:16] xa4a: имена функций и переменных
[01:36:30] xa4a: БОЛЬШИМИ_С_АНДЕРСКОРАМИ - module-level constants
[01:36:39] levsha: хм, разве камелКейс по пеп8 нигде не рекомендуется?
[01:36:41] Miatar: внутри функции тоже с андерскорами?
[01:36:41] xa4a: ИCapWordsИменаКлассов
[01:36:50] xa4a: Miatar: ла
[01:36:51] xa4a: д
[01:36:56] xa4a: !wtf pep8
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[01:40:05] xa4a: /me на работе кодит по специальному python coding style, а дома втихаря, пока никто не видит - по pep8
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[01:40:56] Miatar: ограничения на длинну переменных есть?
[01:41:13] xa4a: ограничено здравым смыслом
[01:41:58] levsha: Miatar: в pep8 есть ограничение на длину строки кода. Так что на длину переменных тоже ограничение есть :)
[01:42:16] Miatar: мы просто по учебе проходим какйто стиль -а там не больше 8 символов
[01:42:29] xa4a: восточный стиль?
[01:42:49] cutwater: :-D
[01:42:57] cutwater: Miatar: ты хотел сказать 80и =)
[01:42:58] Miatar: xa4a: непонял
[01:43:08] levsha: Miatar: названия с ограниченями 8.3 , да?
[01:43:14] Miatar: levsha: да
[01:43:27] Miatar: небольше 8 симворлов на название переменной*
[01:43:35] cutwater: ЛОЛШТО
[01:43:36] Miatar: коммент каждые 4 строки в среднем
[01:43:49] cutwater: код не смотрел
[01:43:51] Miatar: хз - сам сижу втыкаю
[01:44:01] cutwater: комменты должны быть к паблик ф-циям и в сложных участках кода
[01:44:10] cutwater: каждые 4 строки.... в стиле Кэпа не надо
[01:44:37] levsha: да, практика просмотра кода потом показывает что практически все такие коменды абсолютно бесполедны - они коментируют то, что и так понятно
[01:44:43] Miatar: андерскоры ненравяться совсем - вспоминаю stl срзау
[01:44:47] cutwater: ну а для того чтобы не нужно было писать комементы типа
#Обработчик пакета существует
[01:44:51] cutwater: Miatar: PEP8
[01:45:02] cutwater: Miatar: читай Фаулер. Рефакторинг.
[01:45:13] Miatar: cutwater: ок ок - тада вопрос, если такое правило есть - исходя из чего
[01:45:20] Miatar: cutwater: пропустил - попробую
[01:45:22] xa4a: Miatar: ты так говоришь stl, как-будто это плохо. вообще, если пишешь - быстро привыкаешь
[01:45:24] cutwater: исходя из унификации
[01:45:27] xa4a: так что "не нравится" не катит
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[01:45:30] cutwater: xa4a: +1
[01:45:43] xa4a: не важно какой стиль
[01:45:52] xa4a: вон гвидо в гугле пишет - по гугловскому код стайлу
[01:46:01] cutwater: ну мне лично camelCase менее удобно читать. хотя пофигу я согласен.
[01:46:07] xa4a: ругается, правда, мол, вы будете мне указывать как на питоне правильно писать? :D
[01:46:27] cutwater: Miatar: комменты в стиле
#Извлекаем пакет из буфера для передачи в функтор на обработку
[01:46:29] cutwater: избыточны
[01:46:39] xa4a: слово функтор - избыточно
[01:46:39] cutwater: код должен читаться и без них в большинстве случаев.
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[01:47:08] cutwater: Miatar: короче Рефакторинг в зубы. там это было.
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[01:48:02] Miatar: cutwater: ок
[01:48:13] Miatar: а гугл стаил тоже с андерскорами?
[01:48:16] xa4a: (где Рефакторинг - это книга)
[01:48:18] levsha: да, код должен писаться так, чтобы в таких коментариях просто не было необходимости
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[01:48:39] xa4a: Miatar: в гугл стайле названия функций и методов - CapWords, переменные - с андерскорами маленькими
[01:48:52] cutwater: /me такое не хотет
[01:49:07] xa4a: levsha: тогда уж код должен писаться так, чтобы в его чтении не было необходимости
[01:49:15] cutwater: :-P
[01:49:48] cutwater: xa4a: код должен писаться так, будто его будет сопровождать маньяк, который знает где вы живете (примерная цитата Макконела)
[01:50:14] xa4a: cutwater: а ещё два пробела вместо четырёх, докстринги в Args: Returns: и Raises ко всем методам и импорты только модулей
[01:50:21] xa4a: *с Args: Returns
[01:50:23] cutwater: да да да
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[01:50:44] xa4a: но в результате получается, что всё вполне оправданно
[01:50:48] levsha: xa4a: любую мысль при желании можно довести до абсурда. Это не всегда что-то доказывает
[01:50:56] xa4a: с учётом тонн кода SWIGженного
[01:51:01] cutwater: xa4a: ужос блин
[01:51:17] cutwater: ну Args, Retunrs, Raises полезно имхо
[01:51:28] cutwater: импорты только модулей.... перебор
[01:51:31] xa4a: cutwater: SWIG-код, на удивление ничего
[01:51:42] cutwater: понятненько
[01:51:50] Miatar: CapWords это ппц =(
[01:51:50] xa4a: импорты модулей нужны, чтобы их можно было манкипатчить
[01:51:54] Miatar: лучше уж по pep 8
[01:52:01] cutwater: xa4a: типа Mock ?
[01:52:32] xa4a: cutwater: в т.ч.
[01:52:40] cutwater: так это можно делать, не обязательно импортируя только модули.
[01:52:42] cutwater: ну ладно поверим
[01:52:43] xa4a: может для какого-то ограниченного окружения
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[01:54:18] Miatar: кстати насчет импортов - импортировать модуль целиком или юзать from module import something
[01:55:25] xa4a: рер8 говорит, что можно второе
[01:55:34] xa4a: и чаще всего так и стоит делать
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[01:56:27] Miatar: перевел в андерскоры - мои глаза, надеюсь привыкнут и перестанут трещать
[01:56:41] xa4a: Miatar: почитай чужого кода
[01:57:25] Miatar: xa4a: name.startswith
[01:57:31] Miatar: в одном из питон либ
[01:57:47] Miatar: isdigit
[01:57:49] xa4a: да, в питоновском stdlib бывают несоответствия иногда
[01:57:53] xa4a: ещё открой logging
[01:57:59] xa4a: там вообще getLogger()
[01:59:33] xa4a: Google AI Challenge кто-то пробовал участвовать?
[01:59:38] xa4a: в текущем
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[02:00:57] Miatar: мини оффтоп но что бы не переходить и не будить - в плюсах что лучше camelcase или underscore
[02:01:23] Miatar: а кутватер ушол =(
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[02:25:22] Miatar: так подредактировал код
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[02:26:27] Miatar: насчет параметров - в функцию приходит str в виде '\x05\x00\x04\x04\x00'
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[02:27:18] Miatar: извлекается длинна и ID
[02:27:48] Miatar: для '\x05\x00\x04\x04\x00' это будет 5 и 0x0404 соответственно
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[02:30:33] Miatar: max юзать нельзя тк немного условие поменял
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[02:32:21] Miatar: http://paste.in.ua/3291/
[02:32:26] Miatar: как то так теперь
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[02:37:30] xa4a: current_buffer_index переменная во второй ф-ии не объявлена
[02:37:35] xa4a: лучше передавать её туда явно
[02:37:39] xa4a: *в первой
[02:37:54] Miatar: еп твоюж - счас тест писал как раз заметил
[02:37:56] Miatar: спасибо
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[02:40:43] xa4a: packets_buffer[current_buffer_index:ID_AND_LEN_LENGTH] => packets_buffer[current_buffer_index:current_buffer_index + ID_AND_LEN_LENGTH]
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[02:41:09] xa4a: if current_packet_length <= len(packets_buffer): => if current_packet_length <= (len(packets_buffer) - ID_AND_LEN_LENGTH):
[02:41:47] Miatar: ид и длинну мы из пакета получаем НО НЕ ВЫНИМАЕМ
[02:41:56] Miatar: важно чтобы пакет целиком дальше ушел
[02:42:00] xa4a: а, то есть ид и длинна - это часть пакета?
[02:42:05] Miatar: да
[02:42:07] xa4a: ок..
[02:43:00] xa4a: packet_to_handle = packets_buffer[current_buffer_index:current_buffer_index + current_packet_length]
[02:43:06] xa4a: только э..
[02:43:18] xa4a: а, ну да.
[02:44:03] xa4a: и соотв:
packets_buffer[current_buffer_index:current_buffer_index + current_packet_length] = []
[02:44:19] xa4a: если ты хочешь необработанные пакеты оставлять в буфере, только сдвигать курсор
[02:44:39] xa4a: ну и тогда return packets_buffer просто
[02:44:52] xa4a: короче, напиши тесты лучше)
[02:45:11] Miatar: xa4a: посмотрел Unittest - слишком сложно для такой задачи =)
[02:45:28] xa4a: напиши доктесты
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[02:49:53] Miatar: посмотрел доктесты - лучше но уродливо - вернулся к юниттестам =)
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[03:22:26] Miatar: вопрос - если я буду на каждом шаге убирать пакет которого нет в списке на обработка вместо того что убирать их все в конце (как я это делаю счас) - сильно ударит по скорости?
[03:22:40] Miatar: напоминаю дело о str
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[11:15:22] metall1c: мм, а мнет опять вспомнилось, что вроде бы, можно хранить темплаты вместе с приложениями, да это и логично, да?
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[13:14:28] Tony: metall1c, пиши на php забудь про python
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[13:16:10] metall1c: Tony: не надо давать советы не знакомым людям, когда тебя об этом, если не хочешь услышать куда тебе идти
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[13:16:42] metall1c: *когда не просят*
[13:18:11] огыешсук: Tony: осознал?
[13:18:47] огыешсук: Tony: не помогай, да не послан будешь. Аминь.
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[13:20:58] webninja: забросил питон пишу на пхп, советую сделать так же.
[13:21:07] webninja: только пхп только хардкор!
[13:21:47] metall1c: огыешсук: подъебка - это помощью теперь считается?
[13:22:27] webninja: миллионы программистов в мире выбирают ПХП, а тут поглядите собрались маргиналы. пхп совершенен с этим нельзя не согласиться.
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[13:25:29] webninja: по темлейтам расклад такой. можно канешно хранить темлейты вместе с приложениями, если приложение предполагает ммм как это "универсальность" и использование во многих проектах.
[13:25:46] metall1c: ну это и имел ввиду
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[13:26:09] metall1c: чтобы один каталог с приложением копировать, а не раскладывать файлы по папкам, вспоминая что куда
[13:26:11] Tony: metall1c, когда ты не просишь совета, пиши свой вопрос в notepad.exe тогда вероятность куда меньше услышать на него ответ
[13:26:31] webninja: ага всё верно.
[13:26:52] webninja: ух еще и нотепад.экзе.
[13:26:58] Tony: metall1c, тебе ведь правда на php бы писать. "копировать" из проекта в проект отавизм за который отрезаются яйца
[13:27:08] webninja: да, выкинул убунту использую виндовс.
[13:27:17] webninja: советую сделать так же.
[13:27:28] metall1c: Tony: твой совет был не с целью помочь, а с целью подъебать, так делают мудаки, ты зачем так делаешь?
[13:28:02] webninja: а почему атавизм?
[13:28:35] metall1c: Tony: если тебе лень, нет времени или просто ты нереально крутой программист, а тут лезут со своими мелкими вопросами - промолчи, или ты самоутверждаешься так?
[13:28:41] webninja: можно же оформить нормально отдельный апп чтобы пипом можно было ставить.
[13:29:04] metall1c: webninja: может и можно, я еще всех тонкостей не знаю, поэтому и интересуюсь
[13:29:05] Tony: metall1c, то что у тебя все подходы из php щас как сяду, щас как напишу, щас как раскопирую. я как твои утвреждения слышу, сразу попадаю лет на 7-8 назад
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[13:30:11] metall1c: Tony: если это идеологически не верно - можно об этом сказать если не лень, а брызгать желчью зачем? просто от тебя это уже не первый раз
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[13:33:28] webninja: эх меня давно bobry троллил
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[13:34:22] webninja: потом помогал )
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[13:35:11] webninja: кстати фласком никто не увлекается?
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[13:50:39] огыешсук: webninja: возможно у нас на ём проектик будет, а то джанга на гее хреново ворочается
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[13:54:12] metall1c: в джанге часто бывает вот такое: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position, когда строку передаешь с русскими буквами, решается вот так: u'строка', а как быть с переменно, например var, в которой русские буквы, что-то не соображу?
[13:54:42] nmk: var.decode(кодировка в который строка)
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[13:57:39] metall1c: может encode?
[13:57:46] metall1c: msg = MIMEText(data['message'].encode("utf8"))
[13:57:49] metall1c: так прошло, вроде
[13:57:58] nmk: верь мне
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[14:00:07] metall1c: не получается с decode, все равно Caught UnicodeEncodeError while rendering: 'ascii' codec...
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[14:00:40] nmk: кусок кода покажи
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[14:01:11] nmk: и type(того, что приходит)
[14:02:08] metall1c: это тестовый код http://dumpz.org/100033/
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[14:04:34] metall1c: <type 'unicode'>
[14:04:34] nmk: так это.
дока по MIMEText(_text[, _subtype[, _charset]])
If _text is unicode, it is encoded using the output_charset of _charset, otherwise it is used as-is.
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[14:05:22] nmk: я думал ты в джангу передаешь что-то не уникодное. кто ж знал что у тебя эксепшн в MIMEText
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[14:06:23] nmk: я правда не очень понимаю зачем ты делаешь еще раз form = FeedbackForm() после того как послал сообщение
[14:06:51] metall1c: чтобы обнулить данные, иначе форма опять будет заполнена
[14:09:57] metall1c: вот так прокатило msg = MIMEText(data['message'],'' ,'utf8')
[14:10:00] metall1c: спасибоъ
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[14:10:47] nmk: ну ты пойми, что есть обычные строки, а есть уникодные строки. надо понимать где что приходит и где что уходит и помнить, что utf8 это просто кодировка.
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[14:11:39] metall1c: ну в джанге все в юникоде, вроде
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[14:17:58] metall1c: никто не юзал http://code.google.com/p/django-simple-captcha/ ? как она, вскрывается легко спамерами?
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[15:01:39] metall1c: спс, с wtforms-recaptcha, вроде, получилось
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[16:01:15] deepwalker: а не изобрели еще замены капче?
[16:01:34] deepwalker: а то я на последних капчах ботегам скоро проигрывать начну
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[18:12:44] deepwalker: извините, это офис партии единая россия? Как мне вступить в КПРФ?
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