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[01:44:47] levsha: визвать из php python, там сериализировать
[01:45:01] levsha: правда json это же уже и есть сериализация
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[12:51:25] metall1c: у меня есть модель, данные заполняются через админку джанги, а есть ли возможность делать дополнительную валидацию формы в админке, перед сохранением данных? что-то не гуглится на эту тему ничего
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[12:57:02] metall1c: кажется что-то нашел Adding custom validation to the admin
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[13:06:34] metall1c: получилось :)
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[14:52:47] Toom: Приветствую.
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[14:56:32] Toom: Подскажите если не трудно конечно. Я хочу научиться программировать на python. Языков программирования не знаю, но раньше был опыс с дельфи. Посоветуйте мне пожалуйста хорошую и в то же время удобную, распространенную, хорошо поддерживаемую среду разработки для Python (чтобы не приходилось мигрировать туда сюда). Желательно чтобы доступность для разных систем (mac windows unix/linux)
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[14:58:48] gigimon: Toom: eclipse, vim, emacs
[14:59:42] Toom: это 3 на выбор или все вместе надо
[15:00:06] gigimon: на выбор
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[15:03:10] Toom: просто насколько я знаю vim это мощный текстовый редактор, правда мне он не нравится. Я может не шарю, но в дельфи было, так. В одной программе (самой дельфи) писался код, и по бокам были компаненты, формы прямо там можно было создавать, если не хватло чего-то то модули дополнительные... Я нечто подобного и тут на pythone ожидал. Но тут оказывается все не так
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[15:11:11] Toom: а что посоветуете для создания интерефейса к программам
[15:11:26] gigimon: t, gtk, qt
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[15:12:42] Toom: нет я имею в виду не совсем это. А в чем рисовать (создавать) все это для програмы. Кнопки, панели, инструменты
[15:13:46] gigimon: нету такого, забудь
[15:13:49] gigimon: это плохой подход
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[15:15:41] Toom: Нет ну допустим я делаю програму да пусть даже калькулятор. Кде я для него вольму главное окно, кнопки, и дисплей
[15:15:57] gigimon: ты слишком далеко заходишь вперед
[15:15:59] gigimon: делай консольки
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[15:16:19] metall1c: qt designer
[15:16:25] metall1c: но лучше руками
[15:16:56] Toom: зачем мне консольки. Я хочу изучить питон не для написания скриптов. А для программирования. Вот deluge же сделали на python
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[15:17:37] d1ffuz0r: )
[15:18:12] Toom: я не совсем понимаю как можно сделать окно программы, мешки всякие итд. Руками
[15:18:15] d1ffuz0r: получается линукс сплошой скрипт
[15:18:17] metall1c: Toom: питон язык программирования, на чем ты будешь делатьграфический интерфейс - твое дело, есть куча библиотен, но стадартом де-факто стал QT
[15:18:57] metall1c: Toom: как в делфи не будет, драг-енд-дропом интерфейс не сделаешь, нужно глубокое понимание всех механизмов
[15:19:16] Toom: Ясно
[15:19:55] Toom: Ну просто посоветуйте удобное средство к которому потом можно будет добавить нужное если что
[15:20:08] metall1c: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyQt
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[15:20:31] metall1c: тебе до средств еще далеко, вначале изучи питон, его идеологию
[15:20:52] Toom: правильно ли я понял. Eclipse + Pyqt ?
[15:20:59] metall1c: а вот кстати визуальный редактор интерфейса, типа делфи, но это не очень правильно http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Qt_Designer_%28rus%29.png
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[15:21:16] d1ffuz0r: Tony: можно PyCharm как IDE
[15:21:24] metall1c: Pyqt - это библиотека, в какой среде ты будешь писать - до лампочки
[15:21:38] metall1c: d1ffuz0r: ты не тому отправил :)
[15:21:47] d1ffuz0r: точно
[15:21:53] metall1c: мне aptana нравится
[15:21:54] d1ffuz0r: Toom:
[15:22:11] d1ffuz0r: ну аптана это тот же эклипс
[15:22:11] Toom: EclipsePycharm стоит денег
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[15:22:18] Toom: блин
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[15:22:28] Toom: Pycharm платная
[15:22:30] Tony: какого хуя меня то хайлайтить
[15:22:31] d1ffuz0r: а делфи покупал?:)
[15:22:56] Toom: это было давно
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[15:23:07] metall1c: давно покупал? :))
[15:23:14] Toom: да
[15:24:31] Toom: а можете еще подсказать. Чем отличается ide ну пусть pycharm от vim например?
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[15:25:20] Toom: Что дополнительно есть в ide в отличает от редактора
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[15:27:30] metall1c: иде - среда разработки, там кроме редактора текста с подсветкой, всякие отладчики, помошники и прочие плюшки
[15:29:16] Toom: ясно
[15:29:26] Toom: а glade хорошая штука?
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[15:33:08] d1ffuz0r: поработай сначало в консоли, и ждёт тебя успех. 100%
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[15:36:22] metall1c: никто не подскажет по джанго-админке: автоматически форма для модели генерится, есть поле для загрузки файлов, если имя файла содержит не латиницу, ловлю 'ascii' codec can't encode.....
[15:36:27] metall1c: как побороть?
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[15:37:27] gigimon: проверь что у тебя база в утф8
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[15:37:54] metall1c: да база-то в утф, текстовые поля-то нормально русский воспринимают
[15:38:08] metall1c: если не ютф, оно и текст русский не принимает
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[15:41:58] metall1c: решил по-другому, переименовываю файл перед сохранением
[15:42:22] metall1c: так даже лучше, чтобы кирилицы не было в именах
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[15:44:45] metall1c: uuid.uuid1() :)))
[15:45:09] metall1c: а, не, не то
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[15:48:21] metall1c: imgFile.name = "%s.%s" % ( str(time()), imgFile.name.split('.')[-1]) точно уникальное имя будет :)
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[15:57:58] wiz: http://dumpz.org/100362/ -- я достаточно ленив в написании тестов или можно ещё упростить? (=
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[16:04:41] Toom: что понимаеться под поработать в консоли
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[16:22:28] metall1c: что-то у меня одни беды с юникодом :)
[16:22:39] metall1c: а что делать, если os.path.exists валится, когда ему кирилицу передаешь?
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[16:22:49] metall1c: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position....
[16:23:01] wiz: site.py -> s/ascii/utf-8/
[16:23:11] wiz: !wtf unicode
[16:23:24] wiz: !wtf utf8
[16:24:36] metall1c: site.py -> s/ascii/utf-8/ это что?
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[16:25:36] wiz: в файле site.py заменить
[16:25:52] wiz: http://dumpz.org/100363/
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[16:27:20] metall1c: жестко, а из кода это никак не установить?
[16:27:39] metall1c: а то не всегда же к питону доступ есть, на хостинге не заменишь же :_
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[16:28:21] wiz: virtualenv рулит
[16:29:05] Tony: ебаный ужас блядь
[16:29:24] Tony: metall1c, тебя не ломает спрашивать совсем нубские вопросы?
[16:30:15] metall1c: Tony: ну с кодировками не все просто, не считаю, что это нубский вопрос, да и я не крутой программист, первый проект на питоне
[16:30:37] Tony: это нубский вопрос на все 100%
[16:30:44] Tony: и дело не в кодировках а в питоне
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[16:31:09] Tony: я понимаю если человек залетный из другого "мира" зашел и спросил, но сколько от тебя подобные вопросы идут?
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[16:31:45] cutwater: я опять все пропустил?
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[16:33:06] cutwater: wiz: в site.py заменять? О_О да вы упоролись же
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[16:38:26] wiz: cutwater, а где?
[16:38:51] wiz: делать sitecustomize и куда-то его класть - геморно и ненужно (в случае ve)
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[16:41:18] metall1c: сделал так os.path.exists(filePath.encode('utf8', 'ignore'))
[16:41:22] metall1c: не знаю на сколько это правильно
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[16:42:01] cutwater: это правильней чем править в site.py
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[16:43:35] wiz: да ну, убого же
[16:43:56] metall1c: ну править site.py совсем не вариант
[16:43:58] wiz: на каждый стринг конвертить - весь код засрётся
[16:44:05] wiz: ну а чем не вариант то?
[16:44:12] wiz: /me может тоже перестанет...
[16:44:26] metall1c: говорю ж, на хостинге ты не попросишь прова файл поправить
[16:44:37] metall1c: если на нем кроме тебя еще 100.000 сайтов
[16:44:58] metall1c: плюс система проупдейтилась и привет, снова править (в юниксах питон из пакетов ставится)
[16:45:01] wiz: virtualenv
[16:45:21] metall1c: virtualenv с ним не надо править файл?
[16:45:23] wiz: и не надо ничего править, и ничего не сотрётся
[16:45:27] wiz: хостеру - не надо
[16:45:33] wiz: а ты один раз прописал и забыл
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[19:12:32] metall1c: никто не подскажет image manager какой-нибудь?
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[19:40:48] e1maker: всем привет
[19:41:33] cutwater: metall1c: nicepic но он еще не дописан.
[19:41:39] cutwater: metall1c: а так есть gwenview
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[19:42:01] e1maker: скажите пожалуйста как мне в адрес подставлять переменную
[19:42:03] огыешсук: e1maker: привет, как жизнь? чем дышишь?
[19:42:25] cutwater: e1maker: ты документацию читать не пробовал?
[19:42:26] огыешсук: e1maker: это зависит от того, что понимать под "адрес" и "переменная".
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[19:43:46] e1maker: doc.SaveAs('C:\client_base' + '%\e' + text1 + '%\e' + '1.doc')
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[19:44:23] e1maker: cutwater: пробувал, но немогу найти....
[19:44:28] e1maker: пнуть нада меня)
[19:44:46] cutwater: что такое эти твои %\e ?
[19:44:53] gigimon: e1maker: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
[19:44:56] gigimon: прочитайот корки до корки
[19:44:59] e1maker: символ
[19:45:02] e1maker: \
[19:45:18] cutwater: нахера?
[19:45:22] cutwater: ты идиот?
[19:46:24] e1maker: ну дак вот и спрашиваю у более опытных людей
[19:46:28] cutwater: e1maker: http://docs.python.org/library/os.path.html#os.path.join
[19:46:41] e1maker: а
[19:46:43] cutwater: алсо зачем делать стоко плюсов
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[19:47:20] e1maker: я реально валянок
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[19:47:28] e1maker: cutwater: спасиб
[19:47:29] e1maker: ))
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[19:49:23] e1maker: правда ожидал троллинга вначале
[19:49:52] gigimon: tutorial прочитай
[19:50:13] gigimon: почему щас никто не читает туториал?
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[19:51:58] e1maker: я ж читал
[19:52:14] e1maker: но тупо вылетило с башки
[19:52:20] e1maker: хотел спросить
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[19:53:28] e1maker: как ток увидел назв ссылки сразу освежилсо
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[21:31:59] zealotous.jabber.ru: Уважаемые, участники конференции, не подскажите какой-нибудь OpenID провайдер написанный на Python?
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