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[02:30:48] vladbbk: Меня видно?
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[02:32:12] vladbbk: http://paste.org.ru/?r4em6j Выдает self.hostline = self.lines[0]
IndexError: list index out of range

[02:33:31] vladbbk: Мне нужно дописать в конец первой строки, строку которую получаю из формы. Насколько я понял , будет правильно прочитать весь файл , а потом перезаписать
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[02:34:47] levsha: а если файл пустой, сколько по твоему сток записей в массиве self.lines ?
[02:35:14] levsha: вообще, сколько строк в пустом файле?
[02:35:29] vladbbk: он не пустой . В нем 5 строк
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[02:35:42] levsha: "бля буду не пустой"
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[02:36:08] levsha: твой код говно. Нельзя вот так просто в коде быть уверенным что файл не будет пустой
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[02:37:23] levsha: зачем ты все переменные, которые по сути своей локальные в пределах этого метода, засовываешь в атрибуты объекта?
[02:37:50] levsha: и лучше переменным давать осмысленные названия, а не f1 и f2
[02:38:28] vladbbk: Хорошо. Тоесть не нужно все подряд пихать в атрибуты обьекта.
[02:39:00] levsha: конечно не нужно
[02:39:22] levsha: надеюсь ты не только это прочитал
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[02:40:12] vladbbk: Для моего примера: 1 проверяю на существование файла. 2. Пустой или нет.
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[02:41:30] levsha: 1. можно не делать явно, а просто обрабатывать эксепшен на открытие
[02:41:47] levsha: 2. нужно для начала принять решение а как ты себя должен вести если файл пустой
[02:42:57] vladbbk: У меня если файл пустой то всеравно делаю запись но немного другого вида
[02:43:49] levsha: по коду этого не заметно
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[10:17:57] metall1c: всем привет
[10:18:23] metall1c: не могу понять одну вещь
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[10:18:56] metall1c: http://dumpz.org/104486/
[10:19:04] metall1c: хотя питон 2.7 не ругается
[10:19:08] metall1c: в чем ошибка?
[10:21:40] wiz: в 2.7 {1,2,3} это set
[10:22:10] wiz: а в ранних такого нет и он пытается распарсить это как dict у которого нет :"значение"
[10:22:49] wiz: используй list: {"plugins": [ "newsFeed"]}
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[10:24:46] metall1c: а, спс
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[11:35:01] metall1c: блин, похоже косяк нашел в django-cms
[11:35:23] metall1c: одна админка падает с "Negative indexing is not supported"
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[11:35:49] metall1c: джанга не поддерживает обратную индексацию для запросов
[11:36:21] metall1c: а там (в цмс) код http://dumpz.org/104527/
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[11:36:57] Tony: видимо предполагается что там будет не queryset
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[11:39:56] metall1c: ну в итоге это бага в цмс или я где-то накосячил?
[11:40:00] metall1c: не понятно?
[11:40:27] Tony: вероятно ты подсунул queryset там где предполагается list/tuple
[11:40:28] Tony: why not?
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[11:41:52] metall1c: ну я ничего не подсовывал, это админка цмс, этот ексепшен вылазит, когда пытаешься посмотреть список страниц сайта в админке
[11:42:10] metall1c: причем вылезло это, когда на хостинг залил, на локальной версии у меня работает
[11:42:47] metall1c: тупо перехожу по /admin/cms/page/ там должен быть список страниц сайта
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[11:51:33] Tony: я бы на твоем месте уже давно выкинул бы этот django-cms и переписал на нормальном
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[12:17:23] metall1c: блин, да уже закончил, все работает на локалхосте :)
[12:17:41] metall1c: но однозначно, если еще придется что-то под веб кодить, эту поделку больше юзать не буду
[12:18:15] metall1c: нет, в принципе нормально все, но иногда что-то сделать либо крайне сложно, либо не возможно без костылей
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[13:12:07] hamachi: Доброго всем... Как можно получить доступ к переменной ,находящейся в функции в одном файле,с другого файла?
[13:12:23] xa4a: никак, очевидно
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[13:12:39] xa4a: ты не хочешь получать доступ к переменным, находящимся внутри функций, кроме как из этих функций
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[13:14:23] hamachi: Как же получить доступ к к содержимому QCombobox,CurrentText(),если он оформлен функцией в другом файле?
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[13:18:18] Tony: в питоне нет вообще понятия файла, есть модуль.
[13:18:30] Tony: вынести в global и импортируй тогда получишь доступ
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[13:21:56] hamachi: с глобальными не разобрался как импортировать. from xx import yy?или как то по другому?
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[13:35:53] hamachi: Определил переменную def __init__(self, *args):
global text1
импортирую from combobox import text1 и получаю ImportError: cannot import name text1.где накосячил?


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[13:53:23] ishayahu: День добрый, пытаюсь вывести текст на русском на печать через win32print, но лезут крякозябри. Где надо задать кодировку? Код тут: http://dumpz.org/104595/
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[13:58:00] ishayahu: hamachi: а можно пример кода побольше?
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[14:01:09] gigimon: hamachi: а класс ты не вызвал и text1 не создалась
[14:01:17] gigimon: глобальные через from import нормально омжно
[14:01:19] gigimon: как и все другое
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[14:03:09] gigimon: hamachi: только зачем тебе глобальное
[14:03:14] gigimon: скорее всего ты делаешь не так
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[14:03:45] gigimon: ishayahu: если 2.х питон, то попробуй указать юникодную строку
[14:03:53] gigimon: text = u"""твой текст"""
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[14:04:04] ishayahu: gigimon: нет, 3.2
[14:04:10] gigimon: тогда там и так юникод
[14:04:29] ishayahu: это я понимаю, но лезут из принтера каракули
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[14:11:24] xa4a: ishayahu: может надо с cp1251 закодировать?
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[14:13:07] gigimon: ух ты
[14:13:15] gigimon: яндекс показывает куски кода с docs.python.org
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[14:13:46] gigimon: http://d.pr/BXXn
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[14:19:56] ishayahu: так тоже делал: a=tetx.encode('cp1251')
[14:20:02] ishayahu: hDC.DrawText(tetx.encode('cp1251'), (ulc_x, ulc_y, lrc_x, lrc_y), win32con.DT_LEFT)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<pyshell#72>", line 1, in <module>
hDC.DrawText(tetx.encode('cp1251'), (ulc_x, ulc_y, lrc_x, lrc_y), win32con.DT_LEFT)
TypeError: must be str, not bytes
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[14:23:48] xa4a: а что говорит ман по winapi?
[14:24:15] ishayahu: где бы его найти?
[14:24:32] Typhon: на msdn
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[14:24:54] ishayahu: ололо... ладно, попробуем))
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[14:36:04] ishayahu: а что именно искать? если DrawText, то там кодировка не задается(
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[14:59:29] xa4a: а какой тип аргумента у drawtext?
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[15:02:06] ishayahu: в api - string, который вполне может быть unicode
[15:02:33] ishayahu: http://develab.narod.ru/api/06.htm#19 в конце
http://msdn.microsoft.com/ru-ru/library/system.windows.forms.textrenderer.drawtext.aspx
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[15:11:07] xa4a: да, в .нете, судя по http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.string.aspx строки юникодные
[15:11:18] cutwater: Утро питонота
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[15:11:52] ishayahu: вот в том-то и западня((
[15:12:03] xa4a: ishayahu: у тебя в юникод нормально раскодированно?
[15:12:07] ishayahu: а другие вообще варианты работы с принтером есть?
[15:12:09] xa4a: тогда, может, шрифт
[15:12:23] xa4a: /me знает только один вариант: cat "asdqwe" > /dev/lpt
[15:12:23] ishayahu: xa4a: то есть? про раскодированно и про шрифт?
[15:12:26] cutwater: эм... я подозреваю винапишные ф-ции уж никак не принимают питоновский юникод
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[15:13:18] xa4a: ishayahu: про раскодировано - в питоне переменная, которая юникодная - в ней нормальные русские буковки?
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[15:13:49] xa4a: про шрифт - хз. может оно по дефолту печатает каким-то ascii-only
[15:13:51] ishayahu: xa4a: ну да, вручную вводил и выводится в IDLE без проблем
[15:14:01] cutwater: это еще не показатель
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[15:14:07] xa4a: но я согласен с подозрениями cutwater
[15:14:07] ishayahu: а что тогда?
[15:14:25] ishayahu: а какие еще варианты есть вывести на печать автоматом?
[15:14:39] ishayahu: через командную строку? сохранить в файл и напечатать?
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[15:16:10] xa4a: ishayahu: http://newcenturycomputers.net/projects/pythonicwindowsprinting.html
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[15:17:22] ishayahu: видел, да, но там тоже нет про кодировку
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[15:17:45] ishayahu: и в devmode нет ничего похожего
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[15:18:16] xa4a: может сгенерить pdf и его распечатать
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[15:20:22] ishayahu: ок, попробую в этом направлении посмотреть
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[15:42:52] ishayahu: а какая библиотека генерирует pdf в третьем питоне? что-то я пока вижу только либо под 2.х или платные(
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[15:43:46] cutwater: latex :-D
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[15:46:29] Tony: я чето обгуглился какие лимиты на odesk+payoneer есть кроме снятия на $1000 в день?
[15:47:38] огыешсук: Какие нафиг 1k$/d? Нет такого, я больше снимал.
[15:47:56] Tony: это заебца.
[15:48:20] Tony: рейты конские, проще налоги платить чем с odesk работать реально бля. :)
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[15:48:57] Tony: это выходит 10% берет одеск за часовую оплату, 3% берет за снятие комиссию
[15:49:05] Tony: итого бля уже больше чем 13%
[15:49:39] огыешсук: И? Если будешь IP, то будет уже 19%. Будет легше?
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[15:49:52] Tony: какие 19% ?
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[15:50:18] Tony: или это хохлопроблемы очередные? в рашке для ИП по УСН 6%
[15:50:31] Tony: многие буржуи сами просят odesk или elance
[15:50:37] Tony: вот это бесит реально
[15:50:37] огыешсук: Да. А получать ты их откуда будешь? С того ж небось одеска.
[15:50:46] огыешсук: Куда девацца.
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[15:50:57] Tony: ломать на то чтобы не юзать одеск
[15:51:06] огыешсук: Какая российская фирма позволит мне работать на неё сидя на тайском пляже.
[15:51:13] Tony: мне уже очень давно просто на счет скидывают. без всяких одесков
[15:51:27] Tony: кому российские фирмы вобще уперлись?
[15:51:35] Tony: я только раз работал через одеск.
[15:51:36] огыешсук: мне очень сложно было бы не юзать одеск, я на него самого и работаю ;o)
[15:51:55] Tony: тогда сочувствую, это просто терминальный пиздец.
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[15:53:54] Tony: elance своих карт не имеет бля
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[15:55:52] огыешсук: Да не, мне нравится когда зарплатка каждую неделю.
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[16:00:56] огыешсук: Да и работы у одеска сколько хочешь, хоть 24 часа в сутки работай, если можешь.
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[16:03:14] biert: привет
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[16:04:49] огыешсук: Да и кто ж заставляет на пайонер выводить? Выводи в банк. Это будет единовременные 30$ и вроде как всё.
[16:04:51] biert: почему в linux так много программ на python
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[16:05:37] cutwater: потому что python няшка
[16:05:44] cutwater: biert: а тебя это смущает?
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[16:05:55] biert: о вы здесь
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[16:06:31] biert: не смущает, думаю почему нету проектов на джава, она наверное больше на веб ореинтирована
[16:06:31] cutwater: а где ж мне еще быть
[16:06:41] cutwater: эм... а при чем тут java ?
[16:06:59] cutwater: во-первых единственный рантайм на джава не будет никогда включен в большую часть дистров
[16:07:02] biert: я делаю выбор
[16:07:03] cutwater: по лицензионным соображениям
[16:07:11] cutwater: во-вторых Java и Desktop годятся только для IDE
[16:07:22] cutwater: во всем остальном Java на десктопе эпически сливает
[16:08:11] biert: cutwater: о последнем не понял можно подробнее
[16:08:17] cutwater: Java не веб ориентированна. Java интырпрайз ориентированна
[16:08:26] cutwater: biert: GUI на Java убого до пиздецов
[16:08:28] cutwater: так понятно?
[16:08:39] biert: да, видел.
[16:08:52] cutwater: При этом в качестве серверной платформы Java весьма няшка
[16:09:03] gigimon: так и хочется после cutwater сказать: "еще вопросы?"
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[16:10:13] cutwater: мне кстати PySide очень даже понравился
[16:10:16] cutwater: сделано весьма добротно
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[16:10:24] biert: т.е если делать ставку на разработку для десктопа то пайтон молодец, если на серверную разработку то джава
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[16:10:38] cutwater: biert: зависит от задач
[16:10:51] cutwater: для декстопа под линуксы молодец С++ и Python
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[16:11:07] cutwater: и вообще на С++ уметь писать полезно
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[16:11:21] biert: с++ умеет слишком много
[16:11:22] cutwater: для серверов python тоже молодец. зависит от кучи критериев
[16:11:26] cutwater: biert: тебя это пугает?
[16:11:32] biert: немного
[16:11:36] cutwater: это печально
[16:11:58] cutwater: на С писать уметь надо вообще обязательно.
[16:12:01] biert: ОПП интересная штука, но надо знать путь по которому идти
[16:12:06] cutwater: С++ как хорошее низкоуровневое дополнение.
[16:12:20] cutwater: biert: ну у меня путь PHP -> C++ -> Python
[16:12:32] biert: на каком уровне вы имете ввиду
[16:12:34] cutwater: при чем PHP я писал только потому что опыта С++ не хватало для серьезной работы
[16:12:51] biert: уметь писать
[16:13:12] cutwater: это уже сам поймешь в процессе
[16:14:09] cutwater: при этом я параллельно тыкал C#, Java, Haskell, да чего я только не видел
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[16:14:22] cutwater: biert: короче говоря для зарплаты начинать надо с высокого уровн
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[16:14:35] cutwater: для опыта и зарплаты надо начинать с низов, чтобы потом было понимание того что ты делаешь
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[16:15:26] biert: ну Си сравнительно высокий уровень
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[16:16:12] огыешсук: /me начинал с фортрана
[16:17:16] biert: на сколько я понял то не важен язык важно то чтобы понять как писать код правильно и как строить алгоритмы для осуществения программ.
[16:18:37] огыешсук: нифига это не важно
[16:18:43] огыешсук: важно видеть цель и к ней идти
[16:19:01] biert: ну сначало какую вы себе цель наметили, мне интересно
[16:19:03] огыешсук: а алгоритмы-шмалгоритмы это так, детали реализации, как правило ничуть не важные
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[16:20:57] biert: а что важно
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[16:24:20] xa4a: wiz: все либы для soap в питоне - говно. по крайней мере так было год назад. тогда выбрал suds
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[16:25:09] wiz: xa4a, да я тоже suds выбрал. но MS как всегда поднасрал со своими нашлёпками
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[16:27:00] xa4a: я через suds дёргал Exchange Web Server и пришлось допиливать его совсем немного
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[16:27:20] xa4a: biert: для десктопа перспективнее всего - .net
[16:27:41] biert: xa4a: анальное рабство майкрософта ты хотел сказать
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[16:28:07] xa4a: да, именно так
[16:28:28] gigimon: а мы в конторе пишем серверное облачное по на питоне
[16:28:38] biert: и как ?
[16:29:04] xa4a: [q]biert
с++ умеет слишком много[/q] тьюринг в 60-х не зря исследовал эту тему. теперь мы знаем, что все современны ЯП общего направления эквивалентны в том, что они умеют
[16:29:08] biert: читаю http://masters.donntu.edu.ua/2008/kita/snisar/ind/index.htm как то сумрачно
[16:29:09] xa4a: gigimon: а мы тоже :)
[16:29:28] gigimon: xa4a: :D
[16:29:36] gigimon: biert: отлично
[16:29:52] gigimon: выбирали между java и питоном
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[16:30:11] xa4a: но у нас, правда, в облаке ещё плюсов намешано. и местами, изредка, жаба пробегает
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[16:31:54] gigimon: xa4a: я думаю чего у вас там не намешано
[16:32:11] biert: ну так я не собираюсь ставать сразу руководителем проекта да и не пустит меня никто, вот проблема в том что-бы то выбрать универсальное
[16:32:51] xa4a: biert: ты чего писать-то собираешься?
[16:32:59] gigimon: универсального подо все нет
[16:33:01] wiz: a Clojure уже рулит?
[16:33:04] gigimon: но и на всем можно писать все)
[16:33:15] огыешсук: А куда надо то? Что б пустили? Лучше своего бизнеса ничего нету. Работа в офисе может рассматриваться только с позиции набраться опыта как оно в жизни работает всё.
[16:33:17] biert: http://bit.ly/piwQm8 читаю это и подбираю
[16:33:17] xa4a: wiz: clojure, который JS библиотека - рулит
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[16:33:30] wiz: а который jvm-язык?
[16:34:11] огыешсук: /me на днях познакомился с одним ASP программистом, который однажды резко просёк свою нишу, два года её пахал, а теперь отдыхает в одном со мною ресорте, являясь владельцем бизнеса на мегабаксы.
[16:34:33] xa4a: "свою" или "незанятую"?
[16:34:44] огыешсук: Свою. Занятую. Ещё как занятую.
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[16:35:08] огыешсук: Просто он её (после двух лет разработки) работает лучше большинства прочих.
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[16:35:44] огыешсук: Вообще, тут много любопытных людей, да.
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[16:36:34] biert: мне кажется или ему повезло
[16:36:41] огыешсук: Скажем, познакомился с одним IPшником, который рассказал, что IP это совсем не так и страшно. Всё теперь можно делать через сеть, а личное присутсвие не требуется совершенно. Надо что ли тоже будет поиметь себе IP когда вернусь в россию.
[16:37:09] огыешсук: biert: ничуть, просто он увидел свою цель и два года отпахал для её достижения. Этого оказалось вполне достаточно.
[16:37:39] biert: я как бы еще учусь но хочу себе цель наметить вот присматриваюсь что к чему
[16:37:56] огыешсук: Ты в москве?
[16:38:08] biert: даже не в Киеве
[16:38:25] xa4a: в Донецке?
[16:38:47] gigimon: огыешсук: а что за IP?
[16:38:51] огыешсук: ИП
[16:38:58] biert: Восточно-южнее Львова
[16:39:07] gigimon: огыешсук: по русски тоже ничего не сказало...
[16:39:20] огыешсук: biert: тогда не знаю, достаточно ли любопытных людей у тебя в округе. Может лучше слинять куда в более перспективное место, чисто на людей посмотреть, да опыта поднабраться.
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[16:40:06] biert: не понимаю зачем любопытные люди
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[16:41:46] xa4a: biert: это канал про питон, так что выборка тут не объективная, но если коротко: жаба - много платят, раб ынтерпрайза. .net - много вакансий, раб МС стека. руби/пхп - раб домашних страничек. с/c++ - раб сегфолтов и трёхэтажных типов в трейсбеках (почти то же и в эрланге), хаскель - нет работы, но зато труЪ, и только питон..
[16:41:48] огыешсук: Затем что без них у тебя скорее всего будет обычная тухлятина: офис на полный рабочий день, ругань на "мне мало платют, правительство мудаки!" да пенсия через 40 лет. И всё.
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[16:43:20] xa4a: а, ещё ж есть obj-c -> iOS
[16:43:35] biert: вы здесь такие няши :3
[16:43:40] ishayahu: xa4a: ))
[16:44:11] biert: а что плохого в интерпрайзе ?!
[16:44:23] xa4a: 20 лет поддержки и XML конфиги
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[16:44:59] xa4a: и чаще всего скукотища
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[16:45:12] biert: вы знаете я искал еще и джава конфочку, но не нашел, это тоже наверное повлияет на мое решение
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[16:45:45] xa4a: джависты любят конфочки в реале. а ещё тренинги и сертификации, ога
[16:45:57] gigimon: biert: ты определись сначала что тебе нравится и что ты хочешь делать та
[16:46:09] biert: т.е високомерные напыщеные "профессионалы"
[16:46:13] gigimon: погляди на языки
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[16:46:25] gigimon: может от вида выбраной джавы или другого языка тебя в дрожь будет бросать)
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[16:46:35] gigimon: biert: энтерпрайз же
[16:46:38] biert: ну я на си заполз немного дальше масивов
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[16:47:13] xa4a: напиши джабер-бота на джаве, с, с++, питоне, хаскеле
[16:47:15] xa4a: и сравни
[16:47:23] biert: на с++ я заполз к ооп т.е классам обьектам и прочим делам
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[16:47:50] biert: с++ показался мне слишком навороченым
[16:47:55] xa4a: классы и объекты в любом случае использоваться будут. кроме 1С, разве что
[16:48:13] biert: он как набор скалпелев хирурга
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[16:49:26] biert: xa4a: написание такого у меня наверное займет по 2 недели на каждом языке
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[16:49:51] biert: чтобы понять нормально как оно работает и найти как его зделать
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[16:50:44] biert: а пайтон красив, после с++ его приятно читать
[16:51:02] biert: а джава немного не то, но думаю это не важно
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[16:51:48] biert: да и статистика говорит за себя https://github.com/languages
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[16:55:02] огыешсук: А что именно говорит за себя статистика? Что на питоне много студенческих поделок, а вот на жабе всё закрытый под NDA ынтерпрайз?
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[16:55:30] xa4a: если ты справишься за по две недели на каждый язык, то это же будет отлично
[16:55:30] огыешсук: Скажем, под андроеды сложно на питоне писать, зато самое то на жабе.
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[16:55:47] огыешсук: Определись сначала с областью которая тебя торкает!
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[16:56:09] огыешсук: Питон это, в основном, linux утилиты да небольние динамические сайтики.
[16:56:15] огыешсук: Всё.
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[16:56:26] gigimon: огыешсук: а большие динамические сайты на чем?
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[16:56:38] gigimon: ну и в чем размер выражается?
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[16:56:50] огыешсук: Жаба это андроеды, ынтерпрайз, да жутко убогие сайтики.
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[16:57:17] огыешсук: А большие, как ни удивительно, на чём только не.
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[16:57:26] огыешсук: Даже на php.
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[16:57:36] огыешсук: Похоже, язык не особо и вашен.
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[16:58:35] gigimon: огыешсук: ок
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[16:59:45] xa4a: biert: если нет ни опыта ни работал ни с чем особо - можешь попробовать найти какие-то программистские тренинги, которые сразу на работу берут. Благо таких достаточно (в киеве)
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[16:59:59] xa4a: epam, globallogic, materialise, netcracker, etc
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[17:00:16] biert: ну я точно понял что писать драйверы и низкий уровень уж точно не буду не такой я.
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[17:00:39] biert: ну не благо в том что мне до киева ночь в поезде ехать
[17:00:40] огыешсук: epam кстати хороший путь в штаты, если интересует такая перспектива
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[17:01:02] xa4a: biert: переезжай
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[17:01:59] biert: может быть во Львове будет что-то подобное
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[17:02:12] biert: пойду туда на бакалавра учится тогда
[17:02:26] gigimon: biert: сколько лет?
[17:02:32] biert: 18
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[17:02:44] xa4a: почему во львов?
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[17:02:50] xa4a: только потому что ближе?
[17:02:52] biert: ближе же
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[17:03:10] xa4a: с переездом во львов?
[17:03:13] biert: да и думаю устроится легче
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[17:03:41] biert: не знаю пока, цели только прикидываю.
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[17:04:12] levsha: выбирать вуз потому, что ближе, это не правильно
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[17:05:00] xa4a: с другой стороны, ЛПИ, вроде как нормально программированию учит. как минимум олимпиадников. но в киеве львовян не встречал, вроде, ни разу
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[17:05:58] biert: друг говорил что реально
[17:06:04] biert: много аутсорсеров
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[17:09:21] огыешсук: а универ, в принципе, больше потеря времени, нежели что-то полезное
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[17:09:33] огыешсук: то есть, это полезное только если ты собираешься заниматься научной карьерой
[17:09:46] огыешсук: если думаешь податься в бизнес, то скорее просто потеряешь время
[17:09:48] biert: корочка +пинание
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[17:09:51] огыешсук: как то так
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[17:11:38] огыешсук: корочка нужна только если собираешься эмигрировать в штаты, для работы или бизнеса корочка не нужна совершенно
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[17:12:03] biert: ну чтобы идти в бизнес нужно прикинуть себе план, которого у меня нету
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[17:12:29] biert: и да сегодня говорил руководитель что при регистрации бизнеса нужно высшее образование
[17:12:30] огыешсук: универ в этом не поможет совершенно, разве что попадёшь в хорошую компанию
[17:12:32] biert: новый закой такой
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[17:13:27] hamachi is now ... Попробуйте объяснить иностранцу фразу «Руки не доходят посмотреть»
[17:13:28] hamachi is now ... Попробуйте объяснить иностранцу фразу «Руки не доходят посмотреть»
[17:14:22] gigimon: biert: пинания в инсте нету
[17:14:27] gigimon: ну только в клевых каких-то
[17:14:29] gigimon: да и то
[17:14:33] xa4a: огыешсук: кстати, на науке и безнесе мир ИТ не заканчивается
[17:14:45] xa4a: огыешсук: тебе, охоже, не повезло с ВУЗом
[17:14:50] xa4a: п*
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[17:16:23] biert: gigimon: ну не знаю сессия меня как-то сейчас пинает учится
[17:16:39] gigimon: учиться надо в прцоессе
[17:16:46] gigimon: да и тому, что нравится
[17:16:50] biert: так и делаю
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[17:17:13] огыешсук: xa4a: что я упустил?
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[17:17:50] xa4a: огыешсук: инженреров
[17:18:23] огыешсук: То есть участников чужого бизнеса? Эдаких полурабочих, полуученых?
[17:18:23] xa4a: s/нре/не/
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[17:18:30] xa4a: огыешсук: да
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[17:19:06] огыешсук: Что ж в этом хорошего? На зимовку в тёплые края никто свалить не разрешит же ;o)
[17:19:15] огыешсук: Потому и не рассматриваю за вариантю
[17:19:41] xa4a: огыешсук: наверное, бывают приоритеты и кроме зимовки в теплых краях
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[17:20:34] огыешсук: Зимовка это подраздел приоритета "свобода". А какие ещё бывают популярные приоритеты?
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[17:20:55] xa4a: огыешсук: знания, власть
[17:21:12] gigimon: власть ок
[17:21:35] xa4a: biert: чтобы получить максимум от ВУЗа, нужно за те сессии, что у тебя есть научиться максимум пинаться самому
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[17:21:39] огыешсук: А как знания могут запретить зимовку?
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[17:22:08] xa4a: не понятно, почему они должны запрещать?
[17:22:11] огыешсук: /me сейчас зимует в тёплых краях и вот прямо сейчас выполняет очередную домашнюю работу с ai-class.com
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[17:22:32] xa4a: они просто могут не требовать зимовки
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[17:22:54] xa4a: как и свобода, собственно
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[17:23:16] biert: да здесь же успешные люди!
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[17:24:51] огыешсук: /me предполагал что приоритет свобода и мобильность есть у многих, очевидно ошибался
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[17:25:32] огыешсук: Про власть полностью согласен. Вот уж что реально может привязывать к определенному месту и шаблону поведения.
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[17:26:07] xa4a: правильнее будет: "что свобода и мобильность - в приоритете у многих"
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[17:27:05] xa4a: власть - не обязательно политика, которая привязана к месту. а мобильность - тоже ничего такой шаблон поведения же
[17:28:36] огыешсук: да, согласен, всё достаточно сложно, чтобы можно было в паре предложений очертить всё богатство вариантов
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[17:29:21] огыешсук: однако, я сожалею, что потратил столько времени в универе, а потом в офисе
это время можно было потратить ГОРАЗДО результативнее
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[17:29:49] огыешсук: я просто пошел по шаблону -- школа->универ->офис->начальник->пенсия->всё
[17:29:50] biert: т.е самобразование самый лучший выбор
[17:29:55] огыешсук: да
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[17:30:04] xa4a: нет :)
[17:30:07] biert: но нужен хороший советщик
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[17:30:18] xa4a: советчик - уже не самообразование же
[17:30:26] biert: почему
[17:30:47] огыешсук: ai-class.com, ml-class.org и прочие стерфордские курсы это самообразование?
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[17:30:57] xa4a: ты определись, что ты хочешь. если хочешь бизнес, зимовать в тёпдых краях - да, самообразование будет эффективнее, чем в отечественных вузах
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[17:31:17] xa4a: если наука - вряд ли
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[17:31:34] biert: я не настолько умный чтобы заниматся наукой
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[17:31:49] огыешсук: это я с самого начала написал, путь в профессора лежит через универ, остальные пути универ в зависимостях обычно не содержат
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[17:33:54] xa4a: по моему опыту - за пять лет, что мне в универе рассказывали всякие математики - это благотворно сказалось на моих софтверных способностях. хотя программирования там рассказывали не много, и только по их материалам нормального программиста не вышло бы. С другой стороны, пока я ещё не всё забыл из того, что рассказывали, я всё ещё надеюсь найти работу, где эти математики можно было бы приложить. это было бы в кайф
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[17:34:31] xa4a: tl;dr: матан учить думать. больше матана!!1
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[17:34:46] biert: т.е вы не использовали свои знания в математике в программровании ?
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[17:34:57] xa4a: непосредственно - почти нет
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[17:35:04] xa4a: может какие-то численные методы
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[17:35:17] biert: а теория графов ?
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[17:35:23] xa4a: ок. дискретная математика - да
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[17:35:38] biert: я что-то ее совсем не понимаю почему-то
[17:35:39] xa4a: матан, функан, случайные процессы, методы оптимизации, теории игр
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[17:35:48] xa4a: этого непосредственно не использовал
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[17:36:20] biert: вот "множини" (не знаю как будет по русски и лень гуглить) это аналог массивов как мне кажется, да ?
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[17:36:30] xa4a: множество по-русски
[17:36:33] xa4a: не совсем.
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[17:36:45] xa4a: множество - неупорядоченное. массив - упорядоченный и гомогенный
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[17:36:51] xa4a: читай элементы одного типа
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[17:37:06] biert: есть множества упорядоченные и не упорядоченные
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[17:37:30] biert: в {не упорядоченные} (упорядоченные)
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[17:37:43] biert: или я не прав
[17:37:44] xa4a: ок. тогда по-другому: массив - это упорядоченный способ представления гомогенного множества в памяти :)
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[17:37:47] biert: не буду спорить
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[17:39:05] biert: больше анологий дискретной математики и программирования я не нашел, или еще плохо знаю
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[17:40:11] biert: и то и другое
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[17:41:10] xa4a: дискретная математика, кроме того, что даёт базу, из которой (не очевидно) вытекают все языки программирования, ещё и даёт набор абстракций, которыми удобно пользоваться при обсуждении аспектов программирования
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[17:42:23] biert: возможно.
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[17:43:41] xa4a: огыешсук: *-class - думаю, вполне самообразование. если бы посмотрел их раньше, чем многое из них рассказывали в вузе, то в вузе было бы понятнее=>интереснее
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[17:47:37] огыешсук: Ну, мне неплохое универовское образование помогает не теряться в терминах и применяемых методах. То есть, в принципе, базовое обучение облегчает последующее самообразование.
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[17:47:57] огыешсук: Впрочем, наверное, можно было бы и досамообразовываться до такой же степени через какую хан-академию.
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[17:48:13] огыешсук: Без потери кучи лет.
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[18:39:54] cutwater: Кстати можно глупый вопрос
http://pyobject.ru/blog/2010/02/04/python-quiz/
Вопрос Написать класс, который регистрирует свои экземпляры и предоставляет интерфейс итератора по ним

Так как он идет до метаклассов, как это можно сделать без метаклассов?
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[18:41:40] xa4a: class variable
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[18:42:00] xa4a: и регистрировать в конструкторе
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[18:42:04] cutwater: xa4a: суть в том, чтобы сделать итерируемым класс
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[18:42:13] cutwater: xa4a: первое как бы совсем очевидно
[18:42:38] xa4a: эм. то есть сам класс-итератор?
[18:42:43] cutwater: Ага
[18:43:23] xa4a: ну.. а чо? @classmethod def __iter__(cls): return self._instance_lst
[18:43:34] cutwater: хм
[18:43:40] cutwater: думаешь будет работать?
[18:43:46] xa4a: вай нот?
[18:43:47] cutwater: у меня как-то не хотеть
[18:43:50] cutwater: ладно щас попробуем-с
[18:44:11] cutwater: можно может быть как-то еще через __new__
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[19:26:23] xa4a: cutwater: есть подозрение, что никак нельзя. т.к. iter() на объектах типа type не работает (похоже, вшито внутри) а поменять тип объекту типа type нельзя, т.к. orig_class.__class__ = new_superclass
TypeError: __class__ assignment: only for heap types

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[19:51:17] aries.ua: Подскажите, а можно как нить серилизировать значение в строку, а потом обратно?
[
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{'t':2},
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[20:00:09] aries.ua: а как из файла обратно с массив?
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[20:01:38] aries.ua: подскажите плиз как это сделать? Или это сложно?
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[21:24:25] Sofcom: Всем привет! Как убрать эту капчу?? надоела уже, каждое подключение требует ввод цифер
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[22:17:01] Sofcom: А чей бот управляет этой конференцией? Может этот чел и сможет сделать
[22:17:38] levsha: мож эт чел смож сдел
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[22:41:29] bugi: Всем привет
[22:41:39] bugi: Ребята, кто пользовался mongrel2 когда-то?
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[22:48:37] Tony: соцопрос?
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[22:49:45] bugi: есть пару вопросов
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[22:53:56] bugi: не знаю как заставить его быть асинхронным при использовании zeromq
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[23:15:07] xa4a: Sofcom: бот мой
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[23:25:47] Sofcom: ясно, чет он у тебя не настраиваемый видать
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